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	::::Oh, and while your all hopped up on this "'''your POV'''" ''merde''. The reference for a Persian victory at the Battle of Erzurum was added by '''me'''. . By the way, "''The Persian invasion in the north culminated in the Battle of Erzurum, where Abbas Mirza with 30,000 men defeated a Turkish army estimated at 52,000. Peace was finally established by the Treaty of Erzerum; both sides agreed to maintain the ''status quo''.''"		::::Oh, and while your all hopped up on this "'''your POV'''" ''merde''. The reference for a Persian victory at the Battle of Erzurum was added by '''me'''. . By the way, "''The Persian invasion in the north culminated in the Battle of Erzurum, where Abbas Mirza with 30,000 men defeated a Turkish army estimated at 52,000. Peace was finally established by the Treaty of Erzerum; both sides agreed to maintain the ''status quo''.''"
	::::So that reference '''does not''' call the <u>war</u> a Persian victory, either. --] (]) 05:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)		::::So that reference '''does not''' call the <u>war</u> a Persian victory, either. --] (]) 05:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
			:::::The only original research is that of yours. It's very simple and I repeat:
			Treaty of Erzurum = Based on the Battle of Erzurum = The major battle of the short war = Persian tactical victory:: http://en.wikipedia.org/Battle_of_Erzurum_%281821%29
			What do you think "tactical victory" means? Major battle of the war won = tactical victory, really couldn't be more simple. The article about the battle of itself is all the source you'll ever need.
			You got a problem with facts? then let's have an arbiter settle this. ] (]) 10:35, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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Persian tactical victory

I would like to see source(s) calling this war a "Persian tactical victory". Otherwise this is just original research. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:23, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

As i wrote in the edit box, please read the article itself. The major battle of that war was the battle of Erzurum, which Persia won outnumbered. The treaty itself was based on that battle, hence the name treaty of Erzurum. Read the article itself for the sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/Battle_of_Erzurum_%281821%29 SomeGuy1122 (talk) 23:01, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm the one that re-wrote the article using published sources. You are ignoring what the source(s) state and using your own interpretation. Are you saying you have no sources to support your opinion? --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:54, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes you rewrote it to a POV article based on your POV. As I mentioned before the battle of Erzurum is the major battle fought during this war and Persia was victorious in it. The treaty was based on that war, making Persia the victorious side of the war, the source itself is the battle: http://en.wikipedia.org/Battle_of_Erzurum_%281821%29. Feel free to add it as a source, and feel free to add sources for all the other wars as well. SomeGuy1122 (talk) 04:59, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Erzurum is just that a battle not the war, that is your original research. I have a source that states the result of the war, where is your source(s) for the war? --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:17, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and while your all hopped up on this "your POV" merde. The reference for a Persian victory at the Battle of Erzurum was added by me. . By the way, "The Persian invasion in the north culminated in the Battle of Erzurum, where Abbas Mirza with 30,000 men defeated a Turkish army estimated at 52,000. Peace was finally established by the Treaty of Erzerum; both sides agreed to maintain the status quo."

So that reference does not call the war a Persian victory, either. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

The only original research is that of yours. It's very simple and I repeat:

Treaty of Erzurum = Based on the Battle of Erzurum = The major battle of the short war = Persian tactical victory:: http://en.wikipedia.org/Battle_of_Erzurum_%281821%29 What do you think "tactical victory" means? Major battle of the war won = tactical victory, really couldn't be more simple. The article about the battle of itself is all the source you'll ever need. You got a problem with facts? then let's have an arbiter settle this. SomeGuy1122 (talk) 10:35, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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