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I have again reverted your change where you called ''The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate'' a "coalition of leftists". The term "leftist" is often considered derogatory, and is not used by the cited source. With an article on a somewhat controversial topic like this, it is important to stay as close to the sources as possible. ] (]) 20:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC) | I have again reverted your change where you called ''The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate'' a "coalition of leftists". The term "leftist" is often considered derogatory, and is not used by the cited source. With an article on a somewhat controversial topic like this, it is important to stay as close to the sources as possible. ] (]) 20:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
== Anti-Muslim pogroms in India == | |||
After the ] to move ] to "{{no redirect|Anti-Muslim pogrom in Gujarat 2002}}", User:Darkness Shines went on to create the article ] as well as the category with the same name. The article was deleted and he created it again, some of us believe the sources are cherry-picked as you ]. There are more issues, we ] a page from {{no redirect|Godhra train burning}} to {{no redirect|Godhra train violence}} even though the name is imprecise and vague, precisely because the majority of the ]. | |||
Going by this logic, | |||
#'''Abuse of the word "<code>pogrom</code>"''': This term originates from 19th-century Tsarist Russia where it was first used to label attacks against Jewish civilians that were instigated and <u>condoned</u> by the authorities but carried out by civilian mobs who acted with impunity while the <u>police watched idly</u>. Two issues: | |||
##The trigger cause of the '02 violence was ]. It was ''not'' instigated/approved/condoned by the Gujarat authorities. That accusation has been nullified in the court of law. Far from stoking violence, the authorities, in an attempt to quell the riot, actually declared a curfew immediately after the first signs of attack — and this was spelled out even in media reports. Thus, the police didn't sit back and watch idly. In fact Modi has been exonerated by the SIT. | |||
##Don't forget riots of 2002 included murder of 250+ Hindus and ended with the criminals getting their due share of comeuppance from the court. In the aftermath of 2002 Gujarat violence a good many people (mostly Hindus) were punished (sentenced to life in prison). Hence, they weren't acting with "impunity". | |||
#'''Common name''': If we take the most controversial story of them all, Gujarat Violence in 2002. <br>Google returns '''478,000''' hits for ''""'' <br>Google returns ''498'' hits for <br>Google returns 1 hit for <br>If we '''''generalize''''' even further and perform a '''sweeping''' search of '''all''' the articles about <code>anti-muslim pogroms in 2002</code> '''irrespective''' of '''location''', even then google returns ''only'' '''11,000''' hits for "". It is not at all referred to as "pogrom" by general media. | |||
#'''General bias in tone''': That article is rabble-rousing to the point of ridiculousness. Just because some "author" doesn't know how to use the word pogrom in right context or intentionally abuses it to create confusion, or tremendously lacks basic knowledge of history, does it make every one of these radical claims true? That article is a POV-hellhole, and the language, oooh, it's pure ''seditiousness''. | |||
Apart from that, how on earth could ] or ], or ] be ] as "pogroms"? I am not trying to deny that religious violence existed in India as a pestilence since the very inception of this civilization, but to label them as "pogroms" is grossly biased. I would just like to ask you what should we do about it? ]] <span class="plainlinks"></span> 17:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC) |
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Your edit at Tomin Thachankary was reverted for several reasons. You are restoring BLP-violating material by re-introducing poorly sourced (the links provided do not support the statements made and one falls under WP:BLPCRIME) and undue material to the article. You also restored a WP:BLPCAT/WP:EGRS category that was also removed to meet policy requirements, as well as persondata, interwikis and stub templates. The article was reviewed by OTRS request and was found to have major issues, hence it being stubbed. In order for any of the contentious information to be restored you will need to get consensus to do so; I've found the quickest route to determining consensus with regard to BLP concerns is this noticeboard. Thank you, --Jezebel'sPonyo 16:37, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
- See articles talk page (which is something you should use if you revert). Don't insult my intelligence by spamming me with policies I have already read and internalized without any logic for 'why'/'how' my edits violate policy.. You actively reverted the page (which is fine), so please dispose of the patronizing passive voice. As for the other non-policy related issues, my apologies.Pectore 05:01, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
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I have again reverted your change where you called The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate a "coalition of leftists". The term "leftist" is often considered derogatory, and is not used by the cited source. With an article on a somewhat controversial topic like this, it is important to stay as close to the sources as possible. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Anti-Muslim pogroms in India
After the failed attempt to move 2002 Gujarat violence to "Anti-Muslim pogrom in Gujarat 2002", User:Darkness Shines went on to create the article Anti-Muslim pogroms in India as well as the category with the same name. The article was deleted and he created it again, some of us believe the sources are cherry-picked as you mentioned here. There are more issues, we couldn't move a page from Godhra train burning to Godhra train violence even though the name is imprecise and vague, precisely because the majority of the sources didn't call it by that name.
Going by this logic,
- Abuse of the word "
pogrom
": This term originates from 19th-century Tsarist Russia where it was first used to label attacks against Jewish civilians that were instigated and condoned by the authorities but carried out by civilian mobs who acted with impunity while the police watched idly. Two issues:- The trigger cause of the '02 violence was Godhra Train burning. It was not instigated/approved/condoned by the Gujarat authorities. That accusation has been nullified in the court of law. Far from stoking violence, the authorities, in an attempt to quell the riot, actually declared a curfew immediately after the first signs of attack — and this was spelled out even in media reports. Thus, the police didn't sit back and watch idly. In fact Modi has been exonerated by the SIT.
- Don't forget riots of 2002 included murder of 250+ Hindus and ended with the criminals getting their due share of comeuppance from the court. In the aftermath of 2002 Gujarat violence a good many people (mostly Hindus) were punished (sentenced to life in prison). Hence, they weren't acting with "impunity".
- Common name: If we take the most controversial story of them all, Gujarat Violence in 2002.
Google returns 478,000 hits for "2002 Gujarat violence"
Google returns 498 hits for "Anti-Muslim pogrom in Gujarat 2002"
Google returns 1 hit for "Anti-Muslim pogrom in 2002 Gujarat"
If we generalize even further and perform a sweeping search of all the articles aboutanti-muslim pogroms in 2002
irrespective of location, even then google returns only 11,000 hits for "Anti-Muslim pogrom in 2002". It is not at all referred to as "pogrom" by general media. - General bias in tone: That article is rabble-rousing to the point of ridiculousness. Just because some "author" doesn't know how to use the word pogrom in right context or intentionally abuses it to create confusion, or tremendously lacks basic knowledge of history, does it make every one of these radical claims true? That article is a POV-hellhole, and the language, oooh, it's pure seditiousness.
Apart from that, how on earth could Bombay Riots or Nellie massacre, or 1989 Bhagalpur violence be labelled as "pogroms"? I am not trying to deny that religious violence existed in India as a pestilence since the very inception of this civilization, but to label them as "pogroms" is grossly biased. I would just like to ask you what should we do about it? Mr T 17:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)