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"that's a lot of sourced material to remove without discussion"
I included my reasoning for removing the material in my edit summary. Do you have any discussion you want to add? Do you disagree with my summary? It seems strange to me to revert my edit, not because you disagree, but simply because I didn't make an exhaustive enough case for it before implementing it. johnpseudo 19:41, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- I stand by my edit summary. It's a sensitive article, and your edit summary is not a substitute for discussion. You should take it to the talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:48, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Here's how discussion works. One person says something (as I did in my edit summary). Then someone else responds to that (as you did not accomplish in your edit summary). If you want to advance the discussion, do so. Otherwise, don't revert another person's edit. johnpseudo 15:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Downton Abbey and unfortunate resemblances
If you're becoming disenchanted with the third season, then I probably won't spoil things by noting how much he reminds me of him . More cultivated, of course. 99.136.252.89 (talk) 03:17, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't say I wasn't going to continue watching; in any case, I would be outvoted by other members of the household whose standards aren't as high as mine. Are you saying that Chambers's physical appearance reminds you of Stevens? I think Stevens is better looking. I'd never heard of Chambers, but I've now edited our article, mostly cosmetically. It's a little better written than some of our other criminal articles, but I didn't verify all the sources. BTW, I didn't actually yell at the television; just spoke out loud bitching about how ridiculous most of it was. I do that during The Good Wife, too, although I'm still "forced" to watch it.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:18, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Here, too. Ms. 99 (as always, sounds like I'm referring to Barbara Feldon) likes those shows, so I've followed her lead. I've had similar problems with the credibility of plot lines in the Good Wife. There's so much jumping of the shark, presumably to maintain ratings, that at some point one becomes reconciled to unlikely situations and vows to enjoy the actors' craft for its own sake, rather like marveling at the technique of Rubens in some overblown subject he was commissioned to paint. Yes, Stevens reminds me of Chambers, whose macabre claim to fame was unavoidable headline news at a time when I was living in the area. 99.136.252.89 (talk) 15:40, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- The Good Wife plot lines are pretty outrageous, but it's the legal stuff that drives me bananas. I don't expect it to be accurate, but it's in another universe, and, unlike say Ally McBeal, it's not intended to be satirical. Some of the acting is enjoyable, the lead particularly. I used to get a kick out of Kalinda, but the subplot with her husband was too much for me. Will is a total nebish, but I enjoy Diane (fun actress). Alan Cumming is truly disappointing - if he childishly snarls one more time, I'm gonna smack him (back to your Jerry Springer note).--Bbb23 (talk) 15:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Sounds right to me. Unsourced trivia alert: a cousin of mine is Kalinda's dialect coach for the show, and also worked with Julianne Moore on Game Change. Now, as for the inevitable decline of western civilization (Springer-wise), I thought the end of days was nigh when he showed up on NY tv in the late 80s. Little did I know that was just the beginning. 99.136.252.89 (talk) 15:57, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- With the addition of the WWW, the advent of streaming, and the ever-increasing use of cell phones, we can now decline so much faster. Here's to more devices, faster connections, and the disappearance of brain cells!--Bbb23 (talk) 16:11, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Like I need to blame rapid technology for the dissipation of my mental faculties. Hmmm. Perhaps Misplaced Pages is at fault. 99.136.252.89 (talk) 19:33, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm going to assume based on your comment that you're no longer in your 20s. I was referring to the premature disappearance of brain cells, not the usual degradation that occurs gradually over our life spans. As for "fault", I decided a long time ago that someone or something else is always at fault. Using that "logic", Misplaced Pages is certainly a candidate, along with undercooked vegetables.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- I wasn't surprised by tonight's plot twist, but felt awful all the same. Damn fictional doctors. 99.136.252.89 (talk) 03:02, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm going to assume based on your comment that you're no longer in your 20s. I was referring to the premature disappearance of brain cells, not the usual degradation that occurs gradually over our life spans. As for "fault", I decided a long time ago that someone or something else is always at fault. Using that "logic", Misplaced Pages is certainly a candidate, along with undercooked vegetables.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Like I need to blame rapid technology for the dissipation of my mental faculties. Hmmm. Perhaps Misplaced Pages is at fault. 99.136.252.89 (talk) 19:33, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- With the addition of the WWW, the advent of streaming, and the ever-increasing use of cell phones, we can now decline so much faster. Here's to more devices, faster connections, and the disappearance of brain cells!--Bbb23 (talk) 16:11, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Sounds right to me. Unsourced trivia alert: a cousin of mine is Kalinda's dialect coach for the show, and also worked with Julianne Moore on Game Change. Now, as for the inevitable decline of western civilization (Springer-wise), I thought the end of days was nigh when he showed up on NY tv in the late 80s. Little did I know that was just the beginning. 99.136.252.89 (talk) 15:57, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- The Good Wife plot lines are pretty outrageous, but it's the legal stuff that drives me bananas. I don't expect it to be accurate, but it's in another universe, and, unlike say Ally McBeal, it's not intended to be satirical. Some of the acting is enjoyable, the lead particularly. I used to get a kick out of Kalinda, but the subplot with her husband was too much for me. Will is a total nebish, but I enjoy Diane (fun actress). Alan Cumming is truly disappointing - if he childishly snarls one more time, I'm gonna smack him (back to your Jerry Springer note).--Bbb23 (talk) 15:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Here, too. Ms. 99 (as always, sounds like I'm referring to Barbara Feldon) likes those shows, so I've followed her lead. I've had similar problems with the credibility of plot lines in the Good Wife. There's so much jumping of the shark, presumably to maintain ratings, that at some point one becomes reconciled to unlikely situations and vows to enjoy the actors' craft for its own sake, rather like marveling at the technique of Rubens in some overblown subject he was commissioned to paint. Yes, Stevens reminds me of Chambers, whose macabre claim to fame was unavoidable headline news at a time when I was living in the area. 99.136.252.89 (talk) 15:40, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
User:DeFacto
You blocked this account as a sock of DeFacto, as the sock is still using his talk page I have redirected it to the user page, you may want to revoke talk page access to the sock account. Darkness Shines (talk) 14:50, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- I know your intentions are good, but I'm watching the page and prefer to leave it as it is for the time being.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:52, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Need help
Hey Bbb23, could you have a look at the IP who is accusing me of having IP socks? They are making some diff links (maybe out of ignorance, because that IP only came to WP today) that "cover" their IP; I had to try to make a change in their edit to bring visibility to the IP. At the moment it is the 2nd thread from the bottom upwards at AN/I. Thank you very much. --E4024 (talk) 16:40, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- While you're at it, as I see, could you please also correct (if necessary) the indenting of my response to the IP that accused me of using IP socks? I'd be very thankful. Best. --E4024 (talk) 17:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- The thread is dizzying. I thought Dragon accused you of sock puppetry, but you refer to an IP (which IP?).--Bbb23 (talk) 17:54, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
I gave the links to the IP (who constantly changes his IP) in administrators noticeboards , but you deleted some of themDragonTiger23 (talk) 17:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Nop. I did not. I can tell you which IP is accusing me; the problem is they make a diff link and include their address into it. They seem to be much more experienced (at least in these strange things :-) than a user who began editing WP today. --E4024 (talk) 18:00, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- The IP is either this or this one (or both :-). Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 18:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- And this (2001:4CA0:2201:1:F8CF:C308:7177:B941). (I understand it is basicly this one but I do not know how it hides the IP bluelink somehow so that we cannot reach and see its contributions in WP. Must be a computer operator or something like that at a library (very knowledgeable about Ottoman Sultans :-). There is a person who is not innocent here, believe me; of course other than me. This is why I throw a stone without worries. Please check. Thanks in advance. --E4024 (talk) 18:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- With your latest change to the thread, E4024, I give up. You and Dragon are on your own. Perhaps another admin will sort it out, but not me.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:30, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- I was only trying to help. (I am a bit impulsive. Remember, Mediterranean.) So I am "undoing" it to show you my good will and my appreciation of your efforts here. Thank you. --E4024 (talk) 18:35, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- You just don't want me to give up. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 18:36, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- No, please don't. We need admins who fight "dishonest" manipulation of WP and you are good at that. I appreciate your work and I am grateful to you. Best. --E4024 (talk) 18:46, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- You just don't want me to give up. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 18:36, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- I was only trying to help. (I am a bit impulsive. Remember, Mediterranean.) So I am "undoing" it to show you my good will and my appreciation of your efforts here. Thank you. --E4024 (talk) 18:35, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- With your latest change to the thread, E4024, I give up. You and Dragon are on your own. Perhaps another admin will sort it out, but not me.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:30, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- And this (2001:4CA0:2201:1:F8CF:C308:7177:B941). (I understand it is basicly this one but I do not know how it hides the IP bluelink somehow so that we cannot reach and see its contributions in WP. Must be a computer operator or something like that at a library (very knowledgeable about Ottoman Sultans :-). There is a person who is not innocent here, believe me; of course other than me. This is why I throw a stone without worries. Please check. Thanks in advance. --E4024 (talk) 18:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- The IP is either this or this one (or both :-). Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 18:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
E4024, I don't understand what you mean about User:2001:4CA0:2201:1:F8CF:C308:7177:B941. I can see their contributions. They just don't have a user (normal) or talk page (not abnormal).--Bbb23 (talk) 18:40, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Now thanks to you I could also reach their TP and leave a message. Very appreciated. --E4024 (talk) 18:46, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
It is the same person using different IPs to push his POVDragonTiger23 (talk) 18:42, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) It may be the same person using different IPs, but are they denying that? Lots of times when a person edits, a different IP address is aassigned. I haven't reviewed the dispute in detail, but it seems like a content dispute, and the POV accusations are distracting. Dragon, you posted something at ANI that supposedly shows one of the IPs accusing E4024 of sock puppetry, but the link didn't work properly. Could you point me to it?--Bbb23 (talk) 18:53, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Whatever happens, just make sure that you don't run parallel discussions both here and on ANI. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 18:52, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- At least this one doesn't make me dizzy. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- True. The lack of indents is annoying, but the lack of yelling is refreshing (✉→BWilkins←✎) 19:03, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- At least this one doesn't make me dizzy. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
here he is accusing E4024 of sockpuppetry. He is also accusing me of pushing islamic and neo ottoman POVDragonTiger23 (talk) 19:06, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- ...I addressed both of those issues on ANI. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 19:11, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the better link, Dragon. I agree that the sock comment and the other comment are both uncalled for, but I tend to agree with Bwilkins that it doesn't warrant sanctions. As I said on the article talk page, you all need to go forward to resolve the content dispute and not insult each other or battle in the article. I'll try to monitor the situation a bit to make sure editors stay focused. Often, the best response, though, to these kinds of comments are to ignore them and move on.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:22, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Danrolo sock edit filter
Saw your questions on the AN thread after it got archived. As far as I know, there isn't a way to add an edit filter to your watchlist, you have to manually check the edit filter logs. And, I think we can block any IP's that look like Danrolo. I blocked the most recent IP since he was making edits on other articles that weren't triggering the edit filter. There haven't been any other edits triggering the filter for about 3 days. ‑Scottywong| gab _ 19:17, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, Scotty.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:23, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
FYI
Not that your are involved, but just as information regarding the ongoing saga between Brocach & Laurel Lodged and the GAA.
WP:AN/I: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Brocach ignoring discussions and blocks for POV-pushing: time for topic ban. The Banner talk 02:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up, but I noticed it earlier. You might consider moving it to WP:AN as that's usually where bans are requested.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:59, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Something completely different
....from Downton. Your take on these accounts would be appreciated:
Both appear to be WP:SPA, and writing articles about one another. The Heldman article is replete with unsourced anecdotal content, and perhaps merits a COI tag. Probably both meet notability guidelines, so I hesitate to bring this up at the COI noticeboard, but an experienced eye is appreciated. Thanks, 99.136.252.89 (talk) 14:24, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- It's only one article that both are co-writing. They apparently know each other. I've edited the article, although it needs more work because there's too much material that doesn't belong or is sourced to self-published sources. I also added a COI tag. As for notability, Drmies knows more about academic notability than I do; did you ask him?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:35, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. The second piece I was referring to is only being incubated: . I haven't dropped Drmies a note about this yet, preferring to let him enjoy a '99-free' day. 99.136.252.89 (talk) 02:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link; I missed that. I doubt Drmies would be bothered by a note on his talk page. I think both of us enjoy hearing from you.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:11, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Likewise. Very best, 99.136.252.89 (talk) 02:15, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Bbb; I've followed up on your comments at Drmies' page. Feel free to have a look also at Charles Eisenstein, where the puffery is persistent even post-page protection. 99.136.252.89 (talk) 00:41, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
- Likewise. Very best, 99.136.252.89 (talk) 02:15, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link; I missed that. I doubt Drmies would be bothered by a note on his talk page. I think both of us enjoy hearing from you.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:11, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. The second piece I was referring to is only being incubated: . I haven't dropped Drmies a note about this yet, preferring to let him enjoy a '99-free' day. 99.136.252.89 (talk) 02:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
User talk:EscapeX
Actually, they did NOT revert me - You're the only person to revert me on that page. The user just blanked most of their talk page because they didn't like what they read and wanted it to go away. I reinstated portions of it so that there was some thread to what I was asking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.37.54 (talk) 01:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- I let your new section stand, but if EscapeX removes it, however they do it, let it go.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:32, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Publicity over WP
List of beauty contests article is full of external links (to various beauty contests) from within the article text; I suppose this is not permitted. I am trying to eliminate those links but it is a very tedious work. Got any tools to tackle this? Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 20:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- I should know more about tools, but I don't. You could start with WP:TOOLS and see where it leads you. Or a talk page stalker here may be able to help you.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:33, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
He's baaack!
http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Croonerman]] New user account and editing with the Ip that was blocked. I've reopened the case and also think I found a sleeper sock User:Zappaman which I didn't add as I doubt we can prove it through checkuser but again there's an account who's only edits are involved with Evans, whic also coincidently were centered around a time when he had a cause to promote...this time the Senate run. Maybe if you could look at teh deleted version of Brian Keith Evans and see if the writing styles were similar or any other similarities you can see. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 11:08, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Confirmed ] can we block the socks with ip included? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:12, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
- You probably already know by now; it's all been done. Usually, the administrator closing the SPI takes care of that. I would only have to do it if I was prepared to block based on WP:DUCK.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:48, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't actually I thought the checkuser did it..Hell In A Bucket (talk) 01:37, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Isn't there a history before the copyright infringement?
Concerning this I recall looking at the history of it, and different people edited over time. Is there an older version of the article that was not copyright infringement? Bill Gates gave them 1.5 billion dollars and they get coverage in Google News as well. Dream Focus 20:15, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- That delete was somewhat difficult because it seemed to me to at least be able to pass A7 if it hadn't been such a blatant copyright infringement and written like a publicity piece. I noticed that the advert tag had been in place since I think October 2011. I'll take another look at it to see if there's an earlier version that is clean, although my guess is it might be a stub. I'll update this after I look.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:25, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- There are a lot of versions, so I only spot-checked different ones over time, and they're all pretty awful. Almost all of them contain copyright infringement, although perhaps not as pervasive as the version I deleted. Most of them have sourcing problems. Most are written like soapbox pieces. I'd WP:USERFY it for you but I'm not permitted to do so when there's an issue of copyright infringement. If you're interested, you could recreate the article from the ground up. Frankly, I don't think it would be too hard to create a reasonably good article that just gives facts and sources about how the organization works. Putting aside the laziness of copyright infringement, I think some editors get caught up in the good the organization apparently does and get carried away (read unencyclopedic).--Bbb23 (talk) 20:37, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- You should probably delete the redirects . Ryan Vesey 20:41, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Done Thanks, Ryan.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:07, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- You should probably delete the redirects . Ryan Vesey 20:41, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- There are a lot of versions, so I only spot-checked different ones over time, and they're all pretty awful. Almost all of them contain copyright infringement, although perhaps not as pervasive as the version I deleted. Most of them have sourcing problems. Most are written like soapbox pieces. I'd WP:USERFY it for you but I'm not permitted to do so when there's an issue of copyright infringement. If you're interested, you could recreate the article from the ground up. Frankly, I don't think it would be too hard to create a reasonably good article that just gives facts and sources about how the organization works. Putting aside the laziness of copyright infringement, I think some editors get caught up in the good the organization apparently does and get carried away (read unencyclopedic).--Bbb23 (talk) 20:37, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
ANI discussion
Hi. Would you mind taking a look at the ANI thread on Media-hound- thethird? He seems to have made a legal threat on his talk page. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:15, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Never mind, Basalisk took care of it. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:22, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I closed the discussion. FWIW, I don't see it as a legal threat, but I have no problem with Basalisk's action.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:23, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Deletion of Jordan Baker-Caldwell Article
Hello, my name is Allan, I am writing to protest the deletion of the article on artist Jordan Baker-Caldwell. He is an African American artist with articles and information about him and his work abound; I and my group were in the process of adding more information to his article when it was deleted. I would apreciate any help on how to steer the article in the right direction or what to do to list our sources to prevent this. Also, I am frustrated as there seems to be a bias excluding African American Artists form Misplaced Pages, I have seen articles about world renowned artists, within the public sphere for 30+ years in some cases, that were likewise deleted or put up for speedy deletion with the same ease, who were also African American. I am at a loss as how to remedy this, and ask that you put said article back, and consider the apparent racial divide.Allandiamond (talk) 00:46, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- Please omit the racial accusations from this - it's not constructive. The article was deleted because it satisfied the criterion for deletion (see WP:CSD#A7). As I understood your comment on the talk page of the article, you had more secondary support to satisfy notability and you wanted "more time" to add it. That's not the way it works. You write an article that meets Misplaced Pages's standards before you post it to article space. Article space is not a sandbox. So, one way you could work on this is to use the article wizard, which walks you through the creation of the article. At the end of the process, assuming you make it that far, you can move the article to article space, but you can also get feedback from other more experienced editors as to whether the article is ready to be moved. For example, I recently created an article and I spent a lot of time working on it in my sandbox before I moved it to article space. Writing articles isn't easy, at least not for most people.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:03, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
New Orleans crime family
Thanks very much for your quick action on this. Best, --Arxiloxos (talk) 06:08, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Must have been unpleasant for you.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:17, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
ANEW discussion re: Py0alb
Would you mind providing some resolution to the ANEW discussion here? From my point of view the user I have reported is failing to acknowledge what has happened, and is throwing all sorts of accusations around. I am happy to receive directions as to my own conduct if that is necessary, but it seems to me that we need a third party to make it clear to one or both of us who has transgressed and who has not. Failing that, I fear that Py0alb will continue what I believe to be unreasonable editing. in2itive (talk) 11:28, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, no good deed goes unpunished, and your creation of the new article allowed Py0alb to escape sanctions. I have left a stern warning on their talk page (already deleted by them) and closed the report at ANEW as warned. If there is a problem in the future with their conduct, please let me know. There are only a couple of things to advise you about. First, don't use the word vandalism in edit summaries. Your comments outside of edit summaries are quite civil, but the word "vandalism" should be reserved for clear vandalism. Also, I didn't go back and look at the history of the war and your warnings. Generally, you warn an editor of EW and 3RR after they have made a 3rd revert because a 4th revert would violate 3RR. Then, if they make a 4th revert, you may report them to ANEW. One notable exception to this is if you are reporting an editor for a slow edit war where there was no breach of 3RR but evidence of edit-warring over time. If you have any questions, please let me know. By the same token, if you feel Py0alb is violating my warning (you'll have to look at the history of their talk page to see the warning), you may also let me know.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:16, 28 January 2013 (UTC)