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New Article - APA. Is it okay?

Hi Writ Keeper Happy New Year to you. I wonder if you could have a quick look at the vastly reduced article and see if its okay to go up. Thanks for your time.SRobinsonOP (talk) 10:29, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey, SRobionson! I'm so sorry for taking so long to respond to you; I keep meaning to, but then other things get in the way.. Anyway, the article is looking better, but my advice is pretty much still the same: you need inline citations, and you need to cut down on the promotional content. You have a long list of references (of questionable reliablility) but you don't have any inline citations for them, so it's totally unclear what those references are being used for, and what parts of your article are supported. You're using words and phrases like "exclusively", "first of its kind", "well received"; even if all these words are true (and they may be, but nobody can tell if they are or not because they're not cited!), the overall tone comes off as promotional. It still kind of reads more like a press release or advertisement than a properly neutral encyclopedia article. Some of your language looks like it was taken directly from some kind of manual; that's not the job of an encyclopedia article. Putting sentences in all-caps the way you do in one is not right for Misplaced Pages on its face, but it also suggests that you're copying it from another source, which is not allowed if that's what you're doing. I hate to say it, but to be totally honest, if you can't see these issues yourself after all this time, then you might not be the right person to write this article. Articles on Misplaced Pages need to be written from a neutral perspective, and that's not something everyone can do for every subject. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:31, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi thanks for the response. Like I said previously if National Newspapers are not good enough I am not sure where to go with it. Its not open to the public so its not promotional no money to be made here, but I see what you mean with those words. Okay I shall be back. Thanks.SRobinsonOP (talk) 11:05, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

cool!

Thanks for the common.css tip -- do you know if there's any way to further customize based on user-agent? NE Ent 17:38, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I've been looking off-and-on for a way to do that; haven't really come up with anything yet. There probably is, one way or another. The thing for me is that I generally browse Misplaced Pages on my mobile with Javascript turned off, to make pages load faster, so I haven't been really looking at JS solutions, and I doubt CSS can do that kind of thing on its own. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For displaying basic common sense in blocking an edit warring individual. Thankyou. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:07, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Fazil Marickar

hey why did you delete this page, i was creating an article about this real person, he is not fake!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sreejiththulaseedharan (talk • contribs) 07:42, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Sreej! I didn't deleted it because he was a fake person, although now that you mention it, it does look pretty fake. I deleted it because it was blatant promotion; an indiscriminate, unsourced list of accomplishments like that is not an appropriate Misplaced Pages article, because it looks like it's there for no reason except to make its subject look good. These kinds of misunderstandings happen all the time, so don't feel too discouraged about it or anything! Nobody will hold it against you as long as you learn from this. You just need to realize that that's not what Misplaced Pages is about; Misplaced Pages is about writing neutral, balanced articles about notable subjects that contain only verifiable facts supported by reliable sources. I know that's a lot of links to throw at you, so please feel free to ask me any more questions you have, or you can ask at the Teahouse, which is a place for people to ask questions and get whatever help they need in a friendly, relaxed atmosphere. Happy editing! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 07:49, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

i had just created the article, wrote the whole in order, it was too large to handle without saving, and by the time i was about to give references it was said deleted, couldn't you wait at least a few hours, it was a days work and now because of you i have to do it all over again!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sreejiththulaseedharan (talk • contribs) 14:20, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

No, because it didn't really matter whether it had references or not. It was too promotional in tone for a Misplaced Pages article, regardless of whether it was sourced. It basically read like a curriculum vitae, which is not acceptable in a Misplaced Pages article, no matter how sourced it is. If the article was to be kept, it needed to be completely rewritten anyway. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:49, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Stefan2 (talk) 11:18, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Tamil Letter quite possibly PD

Care to take a look at my most recent comment at the deletion discussion? It turns out that the letter was prepared as a statement by the Sri Lankan Embassy. That would mean only Sri Lankan laws apply and that it is PD as a court document. The only remaining question is does US law apply a copyright. Unless I'm wrong in my first conclusion. Ryan Vesey 18:32, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Hm. Certainly the US will go by whatever Sri Lanka says about it; it's analogous to how US government employees' work is automatically public-domain if produced in the course of their duties. The US-and-country-of-origin thing is more for copyright expiry, I think. Commons says that the government exception in Sri Lanka is for "any official text of a legislative, administrative or legal nature, as well as any official translation thereof". So then it's a question of whether this is an official text. Probably is. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Jumping in here on a tangent since it's off-topic at the FFD -- the U.S. versus country-of-origin situation does indeed apply largely to copyright terms, but also to things like threshold of originality and freedom of panorama. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:09, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I understand threshold of originality (the US sometimes considers an object PD that isn't PD in it's home country), but freedom of panorama? Can you think of an example? As far as I know, things where freedom of panorama isn't allowed in the US (like statues) can freely be considered PD if it's from a country that allows it. In addition, a country like Laos doesn't have freedom of panorama for buildings, and pictures of them are also not free in the US, correct? Ryan Vesey 20:13, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Pictures of architecture are in the public domain in the United States no matter where they originate -- or rather, they are still copyrighted but their use within the United States does not infringe upon any exclusive rights; see 17 U.S.C. § 120. Infringement is generally determined by the location of the offense (i.e., distribution of the derivative work)...at least when it comes to U.S. courts and their dislike of applying foreign law domestically. Itar-Tass Russian News Agency v. Russian Kurier, Inc. is the latest case law that comes to mind. Such images could not be used on Commons, of course, but that's due to policy and not law. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:47, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

In that case, is there a way for these to be re-uploaded locally? Ryan Vesey 20:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't see why not so long as the images didn't include sculptures or other artwork which wasn't architecture (I'm not an admin at commons so I can't check). As was mentioned in the DR, {{FoP-USonly}} (which I was looking for but couldn't find for my last response) should be usable here. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:29, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Shayan Anique Akhtar

Hello Writ, You should delete this page. I created this page based on my bio as previously created the same page using my First and Second name Shayan Anique which was deleted. I have made mistake because I created page again using my full name "Shayan Anique Akhtar" I have nominated it for deletion.

Bombadas

JayKim16 (talk) 16:44, 24 January 2013 (UTC)KimmieJayKim16 (talk) You deleted my page and its for a school project! im going to fail if its not up! i lost my work and am on a different computer, i mentioned that it was for a project!!!!Please can you repost it!!! please!! im about to graudate high school and i need this to get accepted into College!!JayKim16 (talk)

User asked me as well and I have emailed a copy. JohnCD (talk) 16:48, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, JohnCD; I was going to reply with a similar offer. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:49, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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Ocaasi 20:22, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

As per tour request and the outrageous mendacious accusation from others.

As per your request I have made it clear for AndyTheGrump and any of his associates that he has not been subjected to legal threat - he is so inventive in covering up his own errors and fails.

As it's not clear is there anywhere else I need to post and advisory?

I have to make clear that i do not welcome his repeated attacks upon others and his abuse of Wiki to empower himself. His behaviour is such that It drives editors away and as there is still an ongoing issue with editor retention that may been to be addressed.

I will not be responding to his misbehaviour - but should be continue his abuse and bullying I will refer him to a list he has inspired on a personal wiki page. I so wish that Wiki would get with the issues of Cyber abuse and put in place correct portals and systems to protect individuals - and not just admins. That bias is so anti-diversity and sitting in the very heart of wiki. What is the best way to get such a deficit addressed and ensure that people attacked and victimised through wiki can be secure in knowing if they report it is handled securely and with respect.

Presently it is not occurring - and people are leaving because of it. --TTFN-- Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 23:15, 24 January 2013 (UTC)