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This article was nominated for deletion on 28 March 2011. The result of the discussion was keep.

Development section confusing?

Anyone else find the Development section a bit confusing? Not the writers fault, the Development of the film and all its ideas and changes was convoluted. I'm just wondering if a different approach to the format of the section and describing it would help make a better wiki page? 96.31.177.52 (talk) 22:59, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

No redirect

This is a film project page. Like The Avengers, i created the page with the intent that we could add the information here rather than bunch it up in the Superman in film page. I am looking for outside opinions right now, so i shall revert the redirect edit until we meet a consenus. My argument: Since this is a greenlit production and has already intiated casting, i thng a stand alone FILM PROJECT page should be here. Rusted AutoParts (talk) 9:55 28 March 2011 (UTC)

This is already being discussed. You really shouldn't have reverted this without adding to the debate. Please join in here. Talk:Superman in film#Breakout article for 2012 reboot? Rob Sinden (talk) 13:03, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Name Change

The movie is officially titled Man of Steel, and the villain is General Zod. IGN says so. J.Severe (talk) 20:47, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

See also http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/michael-shannon-play-villain-general-176799, which is a more-reliable source. - BilCat (talk) 21:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

We we all correct at one time. We can in this case now dewer to the absolute latest announcement from Warner Bros as reported in Huffington Post... article titled: "'Man Of Steel': Superman Movie Renamed, Michael Shannon Cast As Villain General Zod". Schmidt, 05:06, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

A reliable source? *sarcastic look*

For all we know the title could be The Man of Steel, ergo, it's not been confirmed per se, from a reliable source such as a spokeman from Warner Bros. or from Nolan or Snyder's team. --Bartallen2 (talk) 07:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, if they do release a statement that says the title is The Man of Steel, then we'll change it. *exasperated look* - BilCat (talk) 07:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

duplicate article

If you check the edit history of my page superman man of steel(2012 film), you'll obviously see that it was already created long before this one, this is a duplicate article. I have someone reveiwing this article, please do not remove the deletion tag. F.R Durant (talk) 15:15, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Your article was introduced from your user space - this page was already here. Would suggest that you requested move from your user space to here, or somewhere else, maybe with administrator's help to avoid conflict, etc., or maybe just merge pertinent information to here. --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:19, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

He's trying to have this deleted. Rusted AutoParts (talk) 12:29 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Yagottabekiddinme

Nobody bothered to look at the incubator to see if it should have been merged here?

You know, I think anyone might get a bit miffed over that. The AfD may be OTT, but geeze what a train wreck.

And RA "The article i have created has been accepted as the main article," is a bit of self preening that smells like ownership and definetly not the type of post that should be made to enourage working together. This may be the final title the article on the film get listed under, but that is not going to be your article. Other will have had a hand in editing it, updating it, fixing it, re-writing it, and on and on.

Looking at it:

1. Superman: Man of Steel (2012 Film) should be restored, looked at, and have the relevant material copied over.
2. It should then be moved here and the histories merged so all the work is acknowledged.
3. Nominating a redirect for AfD, and edit warring to keep the tag comes of as spiteful.

- J Greb (talk) 20:37, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

The incubator was started as a film article, and as such it's too early to consder merging the content here. The author appears to have misunderstood the result of the AFD, and thought it meant that it was OK to create the full film article. He then moved it to mainspace, and AFDed the current film project page. It went downhil from there, but note that most of the users involved in all that are relatively new users. And this all happened inb the few hours while I was offline, and probably the same for other more-experienced users. There's enough blame to go around, but let's not shoot everyone involed either. - BilCat (talk) 20:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I've been bold and moved the history of Superman: Man of Steel (2012 Film) back to Misplaced Pages:Article Incubator/Superman:Man of Steel (2012 film) where it was originally, where other users can work on it in the meantime. - BilCat (talk) 20:54, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, but while not "shooting everyone" pointing out what was so very wrong about this situation was needed.

If the other article is in full bore film formatting and nothing can/should be ported over, fine. Putting it back in the incubator keeps the articles in the same situation though: at some point they are going to need to be merged. Both in content and editing history.

- J Greb (talk) 21:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I have got to agree with J Greb. We have two different contributions history going on. That's why I was like "What the..." when I noticed a (film project) article had to be created. That messed up the contribution history of the userspace then article incubator being part of the mainspace. But let's blame the what was unsure of title at the time. Jhenderson 21:24, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

The name does have somewhat to do with the issue, but not the only factor. There are other histories out there too. The article space/incubator version isn't the only one, nor is it probably the oldest one either. But that's a problem inherent in WP's "anyone can edit" model - they usually do, whether they know enough about WP and its procedures to be genuinely helpful or not! The fact that any refistered user, regardless of the number of edits, can create new article doesn't help the situation either. We just have to live with those thing for now. All we can really do is make sure the various histories that have actually played a part in the existing text are attributed correctly, as with so many histories and time overlaps, a clean history merge is probably long out of the question. - BilCat (talk) 21:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I am not supporting a merge though. What's done is done now and the incubator can be design example of how it's going to look in the future I suppose. Jhenderson 23:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Zod

Again? Does anyone know if he's the only confirmed villain? For a reboot I hope they'll go beyond Luthor and Zod, would people really hate Metallo or Brainiac? DB (talk) 02:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

im back, page merger

hi, im back on wikipedia now. we should merge my superman man of steel article with this one, being as man of steel is the title of the film(according to snyder) — Preceding unsigned comment added by F.R Durant (talk • contribs) 04:31, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Are you referring to Misplaced Pages:Article Incubator/Superman:Man of Steel (2012 film)? This is still a film project, not an in-production film. And what's in the Incubator page that isn't here already? - BilCat (talk) 07:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

nothing, just delete the incubator and this will be the official page. F.R Durant (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Rewriting quote?

"I told them, it’s not that bad. Just treat Superman Returns as the Ang Lee Hulk,"

If I didn't know that Ang Lee was a director and happened to direct a film called Hulk, I would have no idea what the end of that was saying. I would like to add clarification, along the lines of "as the Ang Lee Hulk," Any ideas on how to rewrite or is the quote good enough as is?

Dibbun (talk) 15:25, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Both Ang Lee and Hulk are wikilinked, so I think it shouldn't be that hard for people to figure it out. I say leave as is. --Pritoolmachine2806 (talk) 17:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Film project / film article.

As we have deemed this to be notable independent of WP:NFF, I can't really see any rationale as to why this shouldn't be treated the same as any other film article. --Rob Sinden (talk) 12:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

It is not at a point where it has earned a permanent stay. If the project is halted, then it would become part of Superman in film like the other attempted projects. To call a project that has not begun filming "upcoming" is far less true than if filming is underway. Erik (talk | contribs) 12:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay - not quite what I mean though. I recently noticed that someone tried to change "Planned cast" to "Cast", and this was reverted. If we can always merge back to Superman in film, then for all the time this article exists, why not treat it the same as any other film? --Rob Sinden (talk) 12:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Again really? We have discussed this ad nauseum and consensus has remained the same. But once again coverage of the planned film's development has been deemed notable as an independent topic but since there is no film as of yet (not one frame has been shot), we take precautions not to identify this article as a film.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I know we have, it's just when I see articles like this it concerns me that people see this as an example and a green light to make "film project" articles for any old planned film. By treating this as a "film", we demonstrate that we have discussed and come to the conclusion that this is notable. Or something. I'm just concerned about the old floodgates again. :) --Rob Sinden (talk) 12:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

We need to treat each article independently and evaluate each's notability. Some might be notable but I would say most are not. To bring this topic up here after we have discussed it just seems pointy. I do think it will help if we determined a measurable qualification of when a film's development warrants inclusion as a stand-alone article.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmm - I think it's a little unfair to accuse me being pointy :( My question was related directly to this page, as this is the only one left of the so-called "film project" articles. As it's the only one, and getting pretty close to when filming commences, I don't really see why, when the cast (to take one example) is all but confirmed, we can't call them "Cast" and structure like any other film article. --Rob Sinden (talk) 12:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Forgive me I know you are acting under good faith and desire what is best for Misplaced Pages, I said it seems pointy, not that it is pointy. The actors specifically have been confirmed to be apart of the cast if the film is made, as now there is no cast as there is no film.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I think what I'm trying to say is that if consensus is that it's notable, then we're saying that it is notable as a film. If it's notable as a film, then we should treat as a film article. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

But we're not saying it is notable as a film, only an article on a planned film's development. It might help to think of it as a sub-article under Superman in film, kind of like what is Production of Watchmen to Watchmen (film).--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

No that's not the case at all. The reason that Production of Watchmen exists is because of the size of the article Watchmen (film) would be if all the material was included there. I'm still under the opinion that the material on this article belongs at Superman in film - there's really not that much here. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Size alone does not determine notability, coverage does.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

No, but size is the only reason that Production of Watchmen exists, otherwise it would be part of Watchmen (film) --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:17, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

But, if consensus is that this film is notable, then my opinion would be to treat it as a film. That's all I'm saying. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The basic fallacy here is there is no film, not yet anyway.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, so therefore there shouldn't even be an article. It goes against guidelines, and the waving around of WP:GNG is all well and good, but there is no reason that this information can't be included at Superman in film, the "coverage" applies equally there. BUT this is not what I'm trying to say here - you're dragging me in a different direction with the argument (from round about the point you accused me of being pointy). Look at the first 4-5 entries in this discussion. Let's go back to that. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:GNG is guideline, in fact it is the guideline that all Misplaced Pages articles are subject to. You originally asked why should this article be treated differently, that question has been answered here and elsewhere. If you are still not convinced, so be it, consensus remains.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

As I'm trying to say, you're missing my point. I'm not arguing about notability, I've conceded that point. --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I see others are trying to add infoboxes now. I don't think I'm alone in thinking we should be treating this as any other film article. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Except others have always been trying to add that. Nothing has actually changed with the project since we started this page. The only thing that has occurred is casting announcements.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:26, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Like I said to Rob on my talk page, I would be fine with doing a merge if something happens to stall this project. I'd rather not merge only to have to undo it soon. WP:NFF is better applied early on to define the location for news coverage. "Film project" articles are unfortunately not understood by editors as "occasional exceptions"; they think it is a go-ahead to create or defend articles on projects in development. Erik (talk | contribs) 11:57, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree film projects are "occasional exceptions", and we need more editors like Rob Sinden to be vigilant patrollers of future film articles. However this vigilance was also needed before the creation film project when premature future film articles were still a common occurrence.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:19, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Filming has occured, thus this shouldn't be as such any more, in terms of Man of Steel's Misplaced Pages entry. --Bartallen2 (talk) 17:28, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh it has? Do you have a source? My sources say around August 7th. —Mike Allen 00:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

A source in the article dated July 28 states filming starts Monday (the next Monday would be August 1).--TriiipleThreat (talk) 20:01, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I propose, then, we move the article to Man of Steel (film) as the article is now about a film in production versus a film project in talks. BOVINEBOY2008 20:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me, even if it is wrong, the 7th is close enough.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 20:25, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

This is just a notice that I have requested an uncontroversial move which can be viewed here.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:27, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

The crew on Man of Steel?

When exactly will we get a full list of the confirmed crew members of Man of Steel, apart from the producers, as IMDB for the means of confirmation isn't exactly always accurate to be perfectly honest with you. --Bartallen2 (talk) 00:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

You are absolutely right and I am glad you understand that IMDb should not be used as a source for upcoming films. Allrovi is more reliable since it's not user edited like IMDb, but sometimes they can be incomplete this early on about composers, editors, etc (which is the case here). Their cast listing is preferred over IMDb. Another source (which uses All Movie Guide) is The New York Times, like here, and again they can be incomplete. (The do list the production companies though and also William Hoy as editor) Other places this early in production is to look for crew information in reliable sources like Variety or The Hollywood Reporter write ups about the film. When the poster/official site is released, the crew will be listed for certain. —Mike Allen 01:23, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh brilliant! Thanks alot, MikeAllen :3 --Bartallen2 (talk) 11:43, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Premise

Can we rewrite the premise in our own words? That way, we can write "in his twenties" instead of quoting the "twentysomething" word that some editors seem to dislike. Erik (talk | contribs) 17:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Erik, I'm fine with rewriting the premise to be in our words (instead of just directly quoting it). Thus allowing us to write "in his twenties" instead of "twentysomething".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:34, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I gave it a shot, though it was a little challenging to address the vague statements (e.g., not mentioning Zod). Erik (talk | contribs) 14:54, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I think it's just fine. You did a good job for what you had to work with.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:19, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

If Michael Shannon is General Zod, who will play the other two villains Ursa and Non?

If Michael Shannon is General Zod, who will play the other two villains Ursa and Non in the upcoming feature? AdamDeanHall (talk) 14:30, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Ursa and Non aren't included, given that they were created by Richard Donner and all. Instead Zod's companion will be Faora. --Bartallen2 (talk) 01:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Original Premise vs Reconstruced Premise

Hey :3

I originally added the premise section to the Man of Steel page, with the respective embedded links included, however, it was seemingly justifitably changed; but nevertheless shouldn't the original premise which Warner Bros. put forth be used instead, given that their word, as far as the construction of the official premise, holds more weight than one constructed and tampered by a user of Misplaced Pages.

Also for that matter, the Hobbit's premise was never altered, so why Man of Steel's? --Bartallen2 (talk) 01:42, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The issue is copy right infringement, if there words are copied used then its an issue. At least thats my best guess. Not sure about the hobbits though. P0PP4B34R732 (talk) 01:54, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with copyright infringement as the reason Erik changed it in the first place was, according to him, the premise's usage of promotional language, thus why i still believe the official premise should be used. --Bartallen2 (talk) 12:47, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Bart, you are right that it is not copyright infringement. It is acceptable to have a brief quotation per WP:NFC#Text. However, if we can rewrite the quote in our own words, especially to achieve a neutral description of the film's premise, then we should, per the policy WP:NPOV. Erik (talk | contribs) 12:53, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey again, Erik :3 Well I see, but why such a course of action wasn't taken with The Hobbit and various other films, as far as their own premise's go, I shalt understand. But in any there was importance in the fact that the premise had contained speech marks. --Bartallen2 (talk) 18:11, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Addition of the First official image of Man of Steel

Hi. I think it would be great if we add the official image if Superman as he appears in the Man of Steel. Inam Illahi —Preceding undated comment added 21:53, 11 December 2011 (UTC).

Henry Cavill's Nationality

Hello Editors. I believe Henry Cavill is inaccurately presented as 'the first English actor to portray Superman', because he's British and not English, since he was born in the island of Jersey, which is a British Crown Dependency. I think I have an account but can't remember my credentials, so I don't feel comfortable making anonymous edits, so if anyone wants that privilege, be my guest. Ciao. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.165.16.152 (talk) 04:48, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

The main text says "non-American actor", so I changed the caption to read the same. DonQuixote (talk) 04:51, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Why is Lex Luthor not in this upcoming film?

Lex Luthor is Superman's arch-enemy. He's always tried to kill Superman with Kryptonite, but gets defeated at every turn. Why is Lex Luthor not in the upcoming Man of Steel film? AdamDeanHall (talk) 20:47, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Avoid predictability? I mean, The Joker is Batman's arch-nemesis and he wasn't in Batman Begins.Rusted AutoParts 21:16, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

No 3D

According to some sources, like the Superman Homepage, Man of Steel will not be in IMAX 3D. This should be discussed and corrected in the article if true. --Bentonia School (talk) 13:28, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Christopher Nolan prefers his movies in 2D, however Inception was released in 3D in other countries but the United States of America. Since Nolan is producer, I don't think 3D is a valid option for him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.179.68 (talk) 20:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Trailer

The Man of Steel trailer was released in Yahoo Movies on June 21, 2012. --> http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/man-of-steel/trailers/ jmarkfrancia (talk) 08:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/man-steel-teasers-zack-snyder-superman-terrence-malick-352769?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thr%2Fnews+%28The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Top+Stories%29

http://www.slashfilm.com/man-steel-teaser-trailers-superman-big-screen/ Jhenderson 14:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Neither is a real assessment of the trailers, just descriptions of what is in them and then blanket talk about how the ComicCon footage showed more.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:55, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey everyone. I'm sure people will see this, but I reviewed what people had said about trailers, and I reviewed the WP:MOSFILM#MARKETING guidelines, and decided to add a little blurb about the trailer, but mostly from a critical perspective. GambitEyes (talk) 15:53, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate the effort, but we need reviews from sources that are more reliable. Blogs and podcasts are often not seen as reliable sources of information, and the professional film opinion of an engineer or pediatrician is not going to cut it. The source is basically a fansite from people that love films. While it's probably a good read, it's not appropriate for Misplaced Pages. Just to clarify, fansites can get press passes too, so their personal statement that they are "recognized" by all those sources does not amount to anything, unless they can show that those places will cite them when it comes to news information. Anyone can put on their personal website that they are "recognized" as an "official press", but if they cannot show how they are recognized then it does not make them anymore reliable. It does not take a lot to get a "press pass", but nothing on their website shows how they are anything other than fans of film that started their own blog.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:07, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Bryan Singer

Has Bryan Singer been a producer on this film at some point? Going by the article as it stands, it looks like he's not involved with the film at all, but other web sites are saying he's a producer of the film. --Ben Culture (talk) 07:47, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

What websites are those? If they fall under reliable sources, then we can cite them. DonQuixote (talk) 14:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

No, I'm sorry for any confusion -- I have seen no reliable source at all. I was embarassed to say this, but it was really just one disagreeable moron, commenting on YouTube. Now he's been properly shouted down, as is generally done there, with heaps of delicious abuse. What was I thinking? I didn't mean to lie! So sorry! --Ben Culture (talk) 05:33, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Which incarnation of the story will this movie follow?

Do we know yet if this movie will be Silver-, Golden-, Modern-age? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymouse914 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

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