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I agree with restoring Paul Craig Roberts. He appears to be one of a number of similar-minded Americans who are apologists for Al Queda and Iran, and have appeared on anti-American media sites such as Press TV and Veterans Today and other sites linked to the ] network of anti-semitic conspiracy outlets. Even if such theories can be easily shown to be invalid, if they are the result of a deliberate disinformation campaign in support of antagonists of the US, then they should be identified rather than dismissed and buried. Which side a person attacks and defends is a stronger indication of what side he is on than his nationality. In this case Roberts is an American, but appears to spend most of his time arguing against the military policy of the United States and minimizing the threat of al Queda and Iran ] (]) 19:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC) | I agree with restoring Paul Craig Roberts. He appears to be one of a number of similar-minded Americans who are apologists for Al Queda and Iran, and have appeared on anti-American media sites such as Press TV and Veterans Today and other sites linked to the ] network of anti-semitic conspiracy outlets. Even if such theories can be easily shown to be invalid, if they are the result of a deliberate disinformation campaign in support of antagonists of the US, then they should be identified rather than dismissed and buried. Which side a person attacks and defends is a stronger indication of what side he is on than his nationality. In this case Roberts is an American, but appears to spend most of his time arguing against the military policy of the United States and minimizing the threat of al Queda and Iran ] (]) 19:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC) | ||
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Banned from entering UK or US?
The section 'Reaching out to the United Kingdom' currently begins:
"Despite being banned from entering the United Kingdom in 2006,..."
The source for this claim is an article in the Telegraph. This article was subsequently removed, due to other inaccuracies it contained. I could not find any other source for this claim, as references to Awlaki being banned from entering the UK all seem to go back to the same article.
Is this claim true, i.e. can it be verified from a RS? If not, perhaps it should be removed or qualified within the Wiki article.
Interestingly, the Telegraph had previously claimed that Awlaki was banned from entering the United States (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3966501/Muslim-groups-linked-to-September-11-hijackers-spark-fury-over-conference.html - currently footnote 120). The Telegraph also seems to the main source for this claim; is there a RS for this claim? (There is currently no reference to this claim in the Wiki entry.)
UsamahWard (talk) 08:01, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Doing a bit of research, I'm able to find sources stating that al-Awlaki was banned or "reportedly" banned from entering the UK or the US at a variety of times:
- From Gordon Rayner of The Daily Telegraph of London, 27 December 2008, "The End of Time event at the East London Mosque, which is being publicised on internet sites including Facebook, will feature a videotaped lecture from Anwar al-Awlaki, who is banned from entering the United States after allegedly acting as a spiritual adviser to three of the September 11 terrorists."
- From David Barrett and Ben Leach of The Sunday Telegraph, 12 April 2009, "Mr Awlaki, who is banned from entering the United States, has been accused by the US Department of Homeland Security in recent months of using video lectures to 'encourage terrorist attacks.'"
- From Sean O'Neill of The Times of London, 28 December 2009, "Mr al-Awlaki was also a frequent visitor to Britain, preaching at major mosques and religious events. The Times understands that the cleric was banned from entering Britain in 2006. As the preacher was being excluded, Mr Abdulmutallab was studying at University College London. His life during his three years in Britain will be dissected and inquiries made into whom he met and socialised with, where he worshipped and whom he might have influenced."
- From John F. Burns of The New York Times, 30 December 2009, "Earlier this year, Mr. Awlaki, who was banned from entering Britain, made a speech to worshipers at the Whitechapel center by video link from Yemen."
- Patrick Sawer and David Barrett for The Sunday Telegraph (London), 3 January 2010, "Today, we can disclose that al-Awlaki has spoken on at least seven occasions at five different British venues via video-link in the past three years alone, despite being banned from entering this country since 2006."
- From Jason Lewis of The Sunday Telegraph (London), 7 November 2010, "Awlaki spoke through a video address and live telephone question-andanswer session at the event last year, which was advertised with a poster showing New York under bombardment. The mosque claimed at the time that 'none of the speakers involved banned from entering the UK or convicted of any hate crimes'. It later insisted that 'there was no credible evidence at the time of the event that Awlaki might be an extremist'. In fact, Awlaki was reportedly banned from Britain for his extremist links as early as 2006."
- Hope this is helpful. It doesn't really clarify what the source of the claim ultimately is, but based on my reading of the January 2010 Sawer and Barrett piece it's probably American or British police officials. You can see at least that it's been widely repeated, especially in the British Press, and that it was contested at least once by leaders in a mosque where Mr. Awlaki was going to speak. -Darouet (talk) 16:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Spelling of Name
This page should be reformatted to make the default spelling of his name "al-Aulaqi". It is true that the al-Awlaki spelling has been more common in media reports, and that it's an appropriate transliteration from Arabic. However, he was born in the U.S. This isn't an issue of transliteration. There are formal government do cuments in English which spell the name "al-Aulaqi", and this is in fact his birth name, not the Arabic and not al-Awlaki. Wfredmason (talk) 09:34, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- That's as much as I need to support. If his name is registered on official English documents a certain way, that should be the default. --Jprg1966 16:55, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Criticism of operation to kill al-Awlaki
This section needs expansion. Obama's quote is obviously appropriate, but the rest is lacking. Paul Craig Roberts is a marginal figure and conspiracy theorist, and his quote doesn't express the more mainstream concerns of people who claim the action might be illegal since al-Awlaki was a U.S. citizen. --Jprg1966 16:54, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
- By all means, please expand it. causa sui (talk) 22:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I agree with restoring Paul Craig Roberts. He appears to be one of a number of similar-minded Americans who are apologists for Al Queda and Iran, and have appeared on anti-American media sites such as Press TV and Veterans Today and other sites linked to the Willis Carto network of anti-semitic conspiracy outlets. Even if such theories can be easily shown to be invalid, if they are the result of a deliberate disinformation campaign in support of antagonists of the US, then they should be identified rather than dismissed and buried. Which side a person attacks and defends is a stronger indication of what side he is on than his nationality. In this case Roberts is an American, but appears to spend most of his time arguing against the military policy of the United States and minimizing the threat of al Queda and Iran Redhanker (talk) 19:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Tomato or Potato
I could of course easily decide, if I were president to call baby-eating "upgraded nutrition intake." I do not doubt that my loyal Wikipedian supporters would, the very next day, point out on my web page on Misplaced Pages that lately I had been partaking of "unprecedented upgradded nutrition intake." Obama had him zapped from the sky. No, it was a targeted killing. An extrajudicial targeted killing! No, it was an extrajudicial assassination! No, maybe it was a judicial assassination. No, that would be assassinating a judge. It was, in all likelihood a judicious assassination, he sounded like an angry guy. Settdigger (talk) 15:58, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
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