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Periyar River

When you see a fact that you have known from childhood, is mis-represented in wikipedia, i thought, it is right to do the discussion. But a lot of questions are still unanswered.

3 Questions 1. Why are the following references of not available in the topic?

  http://www.nias.res.in/docs/B4-2010-%20Mullaperiyar.pdf (also from IISC)

  http://en.mapatlas.org/India/Mountain/Sivagiri_Malai/7177/road_and_satellite_map 
(No other documents show the origin of the river, the Sivagiri Peak and the boundary)

2. Why is that text used in the topic is copying the words and not the complete stuff?

  Why it is spreading half truth?

3. Discussion of the topic seems to more towards where the Sivagiri peak is situated.

  The point I was raising was the logical reason why this mistake was made. 
  I don't see any reference to the argument that i was putting forward in the entire talk. 

The point that i did not discuss, is about the 114 sq km of catchment area, this area is not near the Sivagiri hills, but the near the Indira Gandhi National Park.

Sorry, it may be seen as rude, but the fact that people who does not know anything about the topic is taking decision based count of references and not the quality. For better judgment of facts in this issue, the following items should be considered 1. Nature of the writing and the author, whether he is an involved party (eg. Politician) 2. Understanding of the terrain, give importance to the references that deals with the origin, people who visited the area/understand the nature of the boundary between Tamil Nadu and Kerala. 3. Analyze the facts

Anilkumar.p.76

You need to raise these issues at Talk:Periyar (river), although you should read the discussion there before doing so because I am fairly sure that most of your queries have already been dealt with. Misplaced Pages operates on the basis of stating only that which is verifiable using reliable sources, and we show all points of view that are found in such sources. We do not accept original research, such as your suggestion that before people make a decision they should visit the area and understand the nature of the boundary. - Sitush (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you said, it. You are "Fairly sure". It clarifies my doubts that whether you did read the topic or not.
Do you have answers to any of the 3 questions that I asked?
I did not edit the topic, but put my arguments in the Talk, but you removed it. And now you are asking me raise the issue in Talk? What else was that i did earlier ?
I believe the criteria of reliable sources and points of view are not accounted in this topic.

Sitush, you have a blind spot, you think the old stuff is good, the people with whom you have a good rapo is good. Probably you are too old to accept anything new.
Anilkumar.p.76 21:02, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I have explained at your talk page my rationale for removing your numerous and repetitive comments on the article talk page. Like I said, removing your comments was not something that would usually be done but I used some initiative and I invited you to reinstate them in the appropriate place. You are still welcome to do that, but expect trouble if you start to attack me as you have done above. There is no need to get personal about this sort of thing. - Sitush (talk) 21:06, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

To me you are totally illogical.
1. You removed my talks and asking me to do that again?
2. You yourself, is admitting that your activity was rude
3. Unless and until i get my answers, how can i be sure that my talk will not be removed again? If you can give me answers for the questions that i raised, only in that case i am to add my comments.
4. Not interested in playing any games.

Thanks,
Anilkumar.p.76 21:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello Sitush

Hi Sitush, thank you for your edits on Paramahansa Yogananda...I learned a lot and will make improvements. Please help me understand how to communicate clearly about the colored picture of Yogananda. I thought I did it correctly. What am I missing.? The picture is copyrighted by his organization Self-Realization Fellowship but I thought it was ok to use because he is the subject of the Misplaced Pages page. I have not used this image anywhere else. I also gave complete credit to SRF under the picture. HELP? And again thank you...Red Rose 13Red Rose 13 (talk) 20:53, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

You are referring to File:Paramahansa Yogananda Standard Pose.jpg. Our criteria for non-free use is pretty strict. My thought at the time of tagging the file was that since we have images of the subject there is no need to risk using an image that is copyrighted. I could well be wrong here because I notice that one of the other images on the page is a book cover that incorporates the same portrait as you uploaded and, of course, the cover design will likely be copyrighted. I am not great with image stuff but the deletion review will be done by someone who is competent to determine whether or not the thing should stay or go. I'll see if we can get some input from someone here who knows quite a lot about this area - they may be able to guide us. - Sitush (talk) 21:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

There are two copyrights involved here: the copyright of the original photographer, and the copyright for the people who recolored the photograph (it looks like a recoloring to me). The first copyright has expired - see File:Paramahansa Yogananda.jpg. The second, as far as I can tell, has not expired (you may correct me if I'm wrong; I'm not very familiar with the photograph and only know that apparently the black and white version fell out of copyright). The rub here comes in that Misplaced Pages, as a policy, does not use copyrighted works where a free version could be used instead (this is partially US law, and partially just our policy). And the black and white one, being free, would be a valid substitute for the above image. So, while Red Rose 13 certainly uploaded the file in good faith, it may have run afoul of the rules we have which s/he wasn't aware of. Magog the Ogre (talk) 21:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Magog. I doubt that I'll ever get the hang of this image palaver but it's good to know that there are people around with oodles more competence than me! And I do learn from it, honest. Red Rose, do you understand Magog's analysis? If not then feel free to query here & I am sure that you'll get some further response. Me? I must admit that often I am winging it when it comes to borderline stuff: I go off a gut feeling but in this instance it happens that I have completely missed the obvious, ie: the apparent existence of a copyright-free black-and-white version. These things are a nightmare. - Sitush (talk) 23:00, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Sitush & Magog for your open discussion and understanding. I have only been on Misplaced Pages for about 5 months and still have a lot to learn. My intention was to update the page with the best quality photograph. It looks as though I am going to need to take the colored picture down and replace it with the not so good resolution black & white is that correct? THank you, Red RoseRed Rose 13 (talk) 04:57, 11 May 2012 (UTC) Is there anyway possible to be able to keep the colored one up?Red Rose 13 (talk) 15:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

• If it's any use, I've found a higher resolution version of the black and white image being used by Amazon - http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41WD665EHDL._SS400_.jpg -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:22, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Boing - very helpful - that one looks so much better... I will change it before the 5/17 deadline ok?Red Rose 13 (talk) 19:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I have another question for you all...I am dealing with a person on a webpage that I edit that lately has continously adding/readding his personal view that is negative. I have had to start to undo his edits saying - "Misplaced Pages is for facts not opinions" correct right? If he keeps doing it I might need your help... any suggestions?Red Rose 13 (talk) 19:06, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I have added Autobiography of a Yogi to my watchlist and will keep an eye on things. I notice that others have been reverting the contributor to whom I think you are probably referring. Just remember the three revert rule for now and don't get sucked into a war. - Sitush (talk) 15:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Sitush, I am also trying to update the page and add new facts to help the readers and now am cleaning up the revision area - it is still not clearly communicated but I am working on it. I also took the title down to just Revision because it was too long as you said in one of the titles in P Yogananda. Trying my best to keep it factual and not about someone's opinions as I think encyclopedias should be. I rarely use my own words but instead quotes from my sources. Thanks for you help. CathyroseRed Rose 13 (talk) 05:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Rose 13 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Again Sitush - I uploaded the higher resolution B/w picture of Yogananda that is free but it is not changing when I add the new file of Paramahansa_Yogananda_Standard_Pose.jpg - is it because it is the same file name of the color one? Can you delete the color one from my uploads? http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:ListFiles/Red_Rose_13 - then does the file work at http://commons.wikimedia.org/Special:ListFiles/Red_Rose_13 ? Thanks for your help... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Rose 13 (talk • contribs) 06:19, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I have left a reply to your message at File talk:Paramahansa Yogananda Standard Pose.jpg#Deletion discussion. The deletion process in situations such as this usually takes at least 10 days but since we all seem to be in agreement that the colour image is suspect, I'll ask Magog the Ogre whether they can accelerate the process. - Sitush (talk) 07:51, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Did you want to keep the talk page for historical reference or are you good? Magog the Ogre (talk) 08:03, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I know that I should not really presume to speak for someone else, but I think that we're all good. This was a "newbie" issue and Red Rose appears quite content with things. Actually, it makes a change for me to be dealing with a new contributor who is not arguing (thanks for your understanding, Red Rose!). - Sitush (talk) 08:07, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Sitush - I am not sure why you just wiped out the page Autobiography of a Yogi and the hundres of hours of work I have put into it to make it credible. Other people had put stuff and since it was still there, I thought it was ok. I would have much preferred if you made suggestions on how to improve it than just wipe it out almost completely!!! Do you realize how devastating that is? When one is trying to do their best??? Please explain!!!! Cathyrose — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Rose 13 (talk • contribs) 22:10,Red Rose 13 (talk) 22:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

The reasons are itemised in the edit summaries relating to my removals. I do understand that it may be devastating to you but you really must follow our policies and guidelines. Indeed, there is still some content in there that arguably should not be. - Sitush (talk) 22:32, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I think I understand now - previously a number of others had put in alot of items without proper references and i might have put in a couple - to be honest it actually has a much cleaner feel to it now. I'll carefully study the edit summaries to guide me as I add some items back in but I like this streamlined page. Cathyrose It is just shocking and a bit painful...your one comment of "ridiculous" didn't help but your edits brought in fresh air to the page and I thank you for that.Red Rose 13 (talk) 23:29, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

tv

Mr. ass Tush, I saw on Drmies talk page you were thankful for the Wire and Homeland. I just wanted to say thank you for your British TV. Season 2 of Sherlock just started. Love Dr. Who and Coupling... All three by Steven Moffat and he is a genius. IT Crowd has to be the funniest show ever. Downton Abbey, Torchwood, 1900 House series, Being Human, Mr. Bean, Wallace and Gromit and Brittas Empire. However, you have given us the abomination of Big Brother, Skins and anything Simon Cowell has touched. If you haven't seen, Mad Men, Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones, I'd suggest them. Bgwhite (talk) 03:24, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

A game of connections for you.

• Big Brother consists of crap
• The origins of Big Brother lie with Endemol, a company based in a country close to the heart of Drmies.
• Peter Bazalgette is very closely connected with the operations of Endemol
• Bazalgette is the great-great-grandson of Joseph Bazalgette, whose efforts were very significant in the resolution of The Big Stink
• The Big Stink consisted of crap

In fact, it could be said that Joseph Bazalgette took the crap out of London in the 19th century ... and his descendant brought it all back ca. 150 years later. Although aficionados would doubtless think that I am talking through my tush ass. - Sitush (talk) 08:30, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

That was a very interesting read. I did not know about the London sewers and their origin. Thank you for that. I knew Big Brother was originally from the Netherlands. However, U.S. TV executives barely understand the foreign language called, British English, so stealing having an idea from a "foreign" land is next to impossible. Bgwhite (talk) 17:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Alas, I see that The Great Stink is very poorly sourced. There have been monographs and even books written just about that event, its causes and consequences. Perhaps it is one to add to my burgeoning "to do" list. - Sitush (talk) 17:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Banyan merchants

Please put further criticism of the article at Talk:Banyan_merchants. Ask editors you know to be knowledgeable of Indian Ocean trade to pitch in. --Pawyilee (talk) 07:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Shrike (talk) 11:34, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

THANKS Sitush for your guidance...Hope you will always be there..and support new reliable editors..Thanks..any suggestion from you is always Welcome.regards n thanx... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chauhan1192 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem, although I doubt very much that you are a new editor. Athelstane Baines was published a century ago, e served mostly in the judicial departments of the British Raj and, if I remember correctly, was involved with the Royal Statistical Society or something similar. None of these things make him a reliable source for the point that you are currently flooding across several articles. Including your own edits, he has around 10 entries on Misplaced Pages and 27 on Google Scholar (including his own works). - Sitush (talk) 15:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok....Please always guide us and I will ask if any assistance required from my side..just wanna to CONTRIBUTE reliably n seeks ur guidance..ANY of ur advice is highly welcomed..Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chauhan1192 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I've just checked and he was involved with the RSS (Stats Society, not the political group). He was also one of the many census commissioners, probably because of his statistical background. One or two "big names" cite him, such as Ghurye, but they seem to do so only for minor points. I am no great fan of H. A. Rose and others of that type, but at least they appear quite frequently in the publications of modern academics. Can you not find something more recent than Baines for the point that you wish to make? - Sitush (talk) 15:56, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Sir..for ur advice...hope together i can contribute with more reliable sources/books/scholars..thanks..actually wrote n changed d words with.. Historian Sir Jervoise Athelstane Baines states Gurjars as forefathers of Sisodiyas..as Sir Baines is d particular Scholar..any advice from u is warmly acceptable..thanx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chauhan1192 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Not here, please. Take it to Talk:Chauhan#Rajput.2FGurjar_origins, where the discussion has already begun. It will be of help if you can try to write in more standard English. All this use of "d" for "the", "n" for and etc just makes reading more difficult and it will not win you many friends here. - Sitush (talk) 16:58, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

hope atleast u will support the reliable books/sources/references..in chauhan and others.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chauhan1192 (talk • contribs) 05:47, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Thankyou Sir 4 ur advice once again..in punjabi rajputs u hv reverted the sourced books edit but..it confirms that during british era only rajput word came into existance..Please look... The origin of Rajputs is the subject of debate. According to John Keay, not until the Mughal period, which began in 1526 AD, did the word "Rajput" come to be used of a particular class or tribe. The later rulers during british..(called rajputs)..helped british..dats why british wrote in favour of them.. And if the book/source/references r saying ...Rajas and Kshatriyas,not satisfied with their married wives,had frequently children by their female slaves,who although not legitimate successors to the throne,these illegitimate children were styled Rajpoots,or the children of Rajas"The word "Rajput" is used in certain parts of Rajasthan to denote the illegitimate sons of a Kshatriya chief or jagirdars" The conclusion is obvious that they were not considered by the original residents to be respectable, to start with. This is because "Raaja" means royal but "Raj" means semen......then HOW COULD Chauhans be rajput...it is well written in books/people knows/references says...

PLZ READ FULL::According to a number of scholars, the Chauhans were originally Gurjaras (or Gurjars)

lots of many Chauhans claim them 2 be Gujjar only in north india...These Rajputs are writing crap, they are including all the Gujjars (Deepe, Dawre and Kalsyane chauhans) villages as Rajput villages in d talk page.. They must realise that there are more than 1200 villages of Gujjar Chauhans with the banks of Yamuna (delhi, Up and MP).....everybody knows Chauhans r gurjars.. PLEASE reinstate d ref/sources in Chauhan article..becoz it is definite Prithiviraj Chauhan was a gujjar of chohan clan of Gurjars..at dat time..d word rajput was not even known Sir.Thanks Please do d needful.Thankyou

No. I have explained what you need to do on your talk page. The fact that you keep deleting those explanations is your problem, not mine. All of the changes that you are making are of issues that have been discussed extensively in the past and you really must start talking on the talk pages of the appropriate articles, not just reinstating content and copying without attribution. I realise that you are a newly registered user but the degree of unwillingness to co-operate here is already becoming a concern. Misplaced Pages works on consensus. - Sitush (talk) 08:30, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Thankyou Sir 4 unblocking..i will introduce sum more genuine sources/books/references/please guide always. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chauhan1192 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

You appear not to be learning. I have just removed an 11,000 character message that you posted here. Firstly, that is far too long for most people to be bothered reading; secondly, it should not have been here anyway, as per my numerous previous explanations of etiquette. - Sitush (talk) 08:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Something that connects them banyans directly to Vaishya

Wiktionary definition of banyan. It is a Portuguese mispronunciation of Vaishya. It strikes me that you are deleting stuff just because you don't like the looks of it, without bothering to read it. Suggest you take time to read Wiktionary definition of prejudice. Meanwhile, the banyan merchants of East Africa and Arabia are all yours. It is entirely up to you whether or not to inform readers of Vaishya that the English, due to the Portuguese having got there first, similarly mispronounced it during East India Company rule. I suppose it is too much to ask to point out that banyan merchants of India is a simple mispronunciation, and that they should not be confused with the similarly mispronounced banyan merchants from Gujarati, trading in their own peculiar way on the Arabian peninsula and in East Africa. --Pawyilee (talk) 08:06, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I am not even convinced that we should be using dictionaries but since when has an open wiki been a reliable source? - Sitush (talk) 08:08, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I humbly apologize for labeling pronunciations as mispronunciations. Pronunciations are what they are, and usually represent speakers best efforts to reproduced what they have heard, or thought they heard, and then try to record with their various orthographies. Banyan and Vaishya are the same word, as are Ceylon<>Sri Lanka, Mombai<>Bombsy, Burma<>Myanmar, etc., etc. As for you and me, we do not share a conman language. You repeatedly exhibit an inability to read this one, most recently when you failed to read the sources for the open wiki definitions of banyan. Furthermore, it seems to me that you have no respect at all for either wiki or sources. I won't let it worry me as I take comfort in this blockquote:

Don't take life so serious, son. It ain't nohow permanent.

-- Porkypine, by Walt Kelly --Pawyilee (talk) 12:30, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

for deleting Mannadiyar tag under "See also section" in Nair

Hi Sitush,

I have not added just a community in Kerala under Nair subsection and I know that doing the same will make the page more cumbursome. This particular caste if a section of Nair Community and is restricted to Palakkad district only. I found the details in http://www.nairs.in/classifications.htm about the same and then thought of adding it in the page.

Still if you are not convinced, let it be like the way it is.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snlkumark (talk • contribs) 09:50, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

As it says at the top of Mannadiyar, we also have an article for Mannadiar, which is claimed to be a Nair subcaste. The situation is very confusing and I may have done the wrong thing. However, it looks to me as if both of those articles need some work and they may even need to be merged. Once the articles are sorted out, we can determine what, if anything, should be shown in the "See also" of Nair. Given the sheer number of Nair subcastes, there is probably a case to be made for having a List of Nair subcastes and/or Category:Nair subcastes. - Sitush (talk) 09:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

the proof I can show for this is already casted in Manndiyar under etymology, page 455 of the caste and tribes of Souther India by Edgar Thurston. I have gven the inline citation there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.91.246.122 (talk) 10:16, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Can you delete the one written as Mannadiar. Because both Mannadiar and Mannadiyar are same. In Mannadiar only few dialouges from a certain malayalam film is written which I thk=ink cannot be accepted according to wiki standard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snlkumark (talk • contribs) 10:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete Mannadiar

Can you delete the one written as Mannadiar. Because both Mannadiar and Mannadiyar are same. In Mannadiar only few dialouges from a certain malayalam film is written which I think cannot be accepted according to wiki standard

I am compiling information from various books and are collecting information on the same. The process is in pipeline and will incorporate all the details with references under title 'Mannadiyar'. I dont think wiki should promote such articles which back supported by a regional language movie. The caste has rich culture and hereditery, whcich I think should be highly respected.

Will updated all the details and information in Mannadiyar soon with references. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.91.246.122 (talk) 11:20, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I think that it is a bit more complicated. For a start, there are only exceptional cases where deletion is appropriate without providing a period of at least a week for discussion by the community. One of those situations is when a new article duplicates the content of an existing article, but in this case both articles have existed for a while.

What we would usually do is make a proposal that the content of the two articles are merged, and we would merge in the direction of the article that has the more commonly used name (see WP:COMMONNAME). The merge proposal would itself need discussion and, to be honest, it is often a but of a pain to set up the correct notices etc. Can you give me a few days to look into the entire situation regarding spellings etc? I am away this weekend but after that I will either propose a merge, propose a deletion or explain to you why there is no chance of this happening (in my opinion!) Obviuously, you can keep on doing whatever it is that you are doing at Mannadiyar and you can also propose a deletion or merge yourself. Make yourself a large pot of tea and read WP:PROD, WP:AFD and WP:MERGE if you want to make a proposal. - Sitush (talk) 11:44, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

External link spamming

Hi Sitush, User:Profvk recently added a link here that looked suspiciously like link spam. Looking at his contributions, it is clear that this user has been systematically spamming other articles of wikipedia as well, with links to his work. Can you do something about it? Thanks. CorrectKnowledge (talk) 12:34, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I have left a note but you need to bear in mind that the inappropriate links were added in a short burst of editing on 13 May, when the contributor made a total of 6 edits across 5 articles. Prior to that, they had not contributed since last August and almost all of their contributions relate to 2007 and earlier. I don't see the recent short burst of edits as being anything to get too worked up about. If they are reinstated then drop me a note and I'll take another look, but the chances are that the contributor was simply ignorant of the linkspam etc policies or has forgotten them in their more or less 5 year absence. - Sitush (talk) 13:26, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Saint thomas christians

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Saint Thomas Christians". Thank you. --Robin klein (talk) 20:05, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Script other than English

There are thousands of Misplaced Pages pages with scripts other than English. Therefore, I was surprised about removal of the same on the Raniganj Coalfield page citing a recent RfC. Kindly enlighten me about this RfC, since it is not linked to the decision/ guideline. Cheers, - Chandan Guha (talk) 02:43, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

It was about five months ago. See here and here. There have been subsequent discussions at WT:INB which, while not rising to the status of a RfC, demonstrated a consensus that there really should be no scripts at all in India-related articles. They also confirmed that infoboxes = lead sections.

As far as I am aware, no-one is going around just removing all of the extant scripts. Certainly, I just do it as I find them and in the case of the coalfield article that was because I arrived at it via doing some more detailed work at Asansol. - Sitush (talk) 07:38, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. - Chandan Guha (talk) 10:40, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Shahrukh Khan#The_ageing_controveresy

Hello. A discussion about a controversial piece of material with regard to WP:BLP is taking place here. Please spare a few moments to comment. Thank you. Secret of success (talk) 16:22, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Report

I can't say that it's 100% sure, but I believe there's 99% possibility that User:BozokluAdam is sockpuppet of Tirgil34. The same country (GER), the same ol' pan-Turkic POV-pushing in all articles related from Europe to India or China. --109.165.190.219 (talk) 12:13, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

If you are 99% sure then you should probably open a case at WP:SPI. It is not a good idea to spray accusations around and yet fail to follow them through. The SPI reporting system is pretty easy to follow. - Sitush (talk) 12:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

That's not true. Not a sockpuppet. In the meantime, you are involved in an edit war because you performed several reverts on the page Babur within a 24-hour period. While warning others, you should also pay attention to your own manners. I didn't know that rule, but I'll care about it from now on, but the same for you I hope. BozokluAdam (talk) 16:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Utter nonsense. Read WP:3RR and WP:CONSENSUS. Although I am starting to wonder why I bother to provide these links to policy because you seem clearly not to be reading in full those that have already been given to you. Two reverts in 24 hours, supporting similar reverts made by others & in line with WP:BRD, are in contrast to your own editing history at Babur. To be honest, you are lucky not yet to have been blocked from editing. Do it again and you will be. - Sitush (talk) 16:08, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I think we need a third, neutral, opinion for this dispute. You claim my resources not being reliable whereas I claim they are of reliable sources from reliable academic books published by university presses etc. Also, you're defaming me with your unfair accusation to be sockpuppet of anyone. Please be kind and be calm while discussing a matter. BozokluAdam (talk) 16:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Yet again, you demonstrate that you are not reading what is in front of you. Nowhere have I said that you may be a sock. Furthernore, I have had to revert your report at WP:3O because this is not a one-on-one dispute: several contributors are arrayed against you at Talk:Babur, and the introduction at WP:3O specifically says that it is an inappropriate venue in such situations. You also clearly still have not taken on board the comments made by others, and you have wilfully ignored a valid WP:3RR warning. I have reported you to WP:3RRNB and you will without doubt now be blocked from contributing for a while - your edits are disruptive and you need some time to calm down. - Sitush (talk) 16:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Re:

Thanks for the notification. Actually, I had renewed the link since Iranica has changed its webhost. The correct link is this one: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/babor-zahir-al-din --Lysozym (talk)

Ram Prasad Bismil

Hi Sitush, perhaps you might have already noticed that the User:Krantmlverma has again added unnecessary external Google books links to this article on books by a single author. I've reverted them for the time-being. Thought should alert you! Cheers, Lovy Singhal (talk) 13:01, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed your revert. That user is becoming a real problem, both here and at Commons. I have a vague memory that there have also been difficulties at Hindi Misplaced Pages but I may have got the wrong person for that one. Keep doing what you do: Krant will end up being either bored or blocked. - Sitush (talk) 13:07, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

My dear Sitush Ji! When I started editing this article in the begining I was really not aware of the wikipedia rules. The people from time to time had improved it by providing help to me. Keeping good faith I did not bother what others are doing, I simply went on editing and uploading the available rare photographs on this subject. They were deleted so many times I uploaded them again. It was not my ill intention at all, every thing was done in good faith by me. So far as the contribution of Awadhesh Pandey is concerned he has created an article on me from the help of my blog and user page content. Suppose if you come to me and ask something about me I will naturally tell you in good faith. After all I am a person of 65 years old do you think will I tell a lie. So far as my contributions are concerned I tried my lable best to whatever I could. But now I think I should stop this job and devote rest of my life in writing articles/books for my publishers only who at least pay something to me. Here in wikipedia what I am getting? Only blames, harassments, personal attacks and nothing else. Although I had been a banker but I dont know typing, its a bitter reality. And one thing more, which I would like to share with you is that, I am a man of clear heart. I believe in VASUDHAIV KUTUMKAM (en: whole universe a family). I do not conceal my identity. What I am, I am. I never indulge myself in the edit-wars. This is not my nature. One thing that I would like to request you to please do it on my behalf. I have given here some external links on the bottomline of this article. Please spare some time and improve this article for those who are really in need of good aricles. If something has been uttered here wrong by me I would request you to forgive me for god's sake. With good wishes, I remain, Your's semper fidelis 13:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC)Dr.'Krant'M.L.Verma

Quote Farm

Please respond Ganesh J. Acharya (talk) 17:38, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

JK Page

I have explained my position on the talk page. The article should not be dumbed down in the interest of brevity. The gutted version that you are promoting represents a diminishment in quality rather than the streamlining of it that you are hoping to achieve. Furthermore no one from your group has made an edit in quite some time, so I do think I am justified in being bold by editing the article to what I feel is a better version which includes substantive critical information for the general reader. My question to you is: are you now overseeing this article in an authoritative capacity, and if so what are your credentials for judging its critical content? Sach.b (talk) 17:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

"Your group"? Nonsense. I'll most likely not be able to respond properly until next week, but it will take most people that long to read the talk page anyway. You were bold, I reverted, and now we will discuss. Please note that being bold against consensus is not really A Good Thing, and it is what you did. You may also want to spend some time reading up on our approach to criticism sections in articles. - Sitush (talk) 19:01, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Since no one from your "consensus group" has worked on the criticism section (or on anything else for almost a month, for that matter), I was bold and reverted to a more workable version. Now why not follow your own advice, relax and have a cup of tea? Sach.b (talk) 19:46, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Please do not patronise me. You appear to be a fairly new contributor and so I understand that you may not be entirely familiar with things. However, if an article is stable in content after a long period of talk page discussion that resulted in consensus then it will not usually see much activity. Why should it, given that it reflects the consensus arrived at via discussion?

If you want to say anything more about this then do so at the appropriate talk page, not here. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 19:56, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Sitush, you patronised me in the past with the very same advice about the tea. I find you very difficult to work with, and you still have not addressed the specific content of what was reinstated. I suggest a cooling off period. I will not write anymore on this page per your request. Please don't write on my page either. Thanks. Sach.b (talk) 20:05, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I asked you not to comment further about this here because it is not the appropriate venue. I didn't say that you are unwelcome on my talk page. Any concerns that you have regarding the content of an article should usually be addressed at the talk page for that article. It is only by doing thus that other contributors are likely to see your concerns.

Plenty of people find me difficult to work with. I'd wager that most of those people also do not understand policies etc. Certainly, that is the case here and, as I said above, it is understandable because of your relatively new status. I was not aware that I had dealt with you anywhere prior to today: I make thousands of edits each month and I cannot recall every person or every article with which I have had an involvement. That's just the way things are, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 20:32, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

List of Rajus

If you see the people's wiki pages, it says that they are Rajus. Dav subrajathan.357 (talk) 19:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

We need verification that they self-identify, which is not present in those articles. In any event, we do not rely on other articles and the content was unsourced. - Sitush (talk) 19:57, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Please provide explanation for your removal of my edits?

My edit had just one change: I added name of 2 singers who have last name DHILLON. Why did u remove those? Clearly you have something against this page. If a well known singer uses DHILLON on his CDs I don't think I need to provide any evidence for that.

You don't own this page. You have removed a lot of facts. Which I will be reverting back. My last edit is a proof that you are removing any edits any one is making without any check. Please provide me an explanation on why did u remove those changes? on What basis? What term was violated.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hdhillon007 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Bearing the last name of Dhillon is not verification that the listed people are of the named Jat clan, Dhillon. - Sitush (talk) 19:38, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

A discussion that may interest you

See the bottom of WP:VPP. I'm sure you have plenty of examples. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

It sometimes has the appearance of being infinity + 1. - Sitush (talk) 20:00, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Kaul surname!

First post: User_talk:Titodutta#Kaul_Article_in_my_Sandbox
Reply: User_talk:Ambar_wiki#Kaul_article.21
Article draft: User:Ambar wiki/sandbox
If you have some time you can add your suggestions there! --Tito Dutta ✉ 09:31, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Comment

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Robin klein (talk) 19:26, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Dear Sitush, I need to tell you that I got very frustrated with no response from anyone after the self revert that I did. I felt cheated because all this problem began after the self evert that I did at your request. In my frustration I put a notice at the administrators noticeboard which I would like to withdraw as I think it is better to solve with discussion. I apologize if you felt that I am harsh at you. But please try to understand me also and how I feel when I do not get any positive help in rewording as promised when I made the self revert at your request, Once again I apologize for so much edit conflicts. Best regards and thanks Robin klein (talk) 01:33, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

There have been loads of responses, on the article talk, this page, WP:DRN and other venues. You have also canvassed several people who, when I last looked, had chosen to ignore you. The problem is that you refuse to accept the consensus and continued to instate the same and similar content. When someone continues to edit tendentiously it often will eventually result in them either being ignored or having some sort of administrative action imposed, but you certainly cannot claim that you have been ignored. Perhaps read WP:IDHT. - Sitush (talk) 19:33, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

A new gift

Sovan Sarkar. A post-doc with an impressive record! —SpacemanSpiff 13:04, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Needs to be deleted. Fast. Spiff, why don't you nominate it for AFD? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:27, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I would normally, but I'll be offline for a bit this week and therefore can't handle comments at an AfD. I don't know how this one has managed to stay up so long though. —SpacemanSpiff 13:32, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

reply

i put many info on talk:lohana for responce and to avoid conflict with other user, now i have add it in the article and creat new also.Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 16:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

You'd like to discuss Kashmiri Pandit reverts

I saw your message on the reverts done on Kashmiri Pandit Page. Can you clarify which inclusions do you find poorly written. I had already indicated the draft version in my Sandbox. My adoptee (Tito) already reviewed the content before its inclusion. Kindly let me know your specific concerns. -Ambar (talk) 08:28, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Not here. I have previously explained all of this to you. - Sitush (talk) 08:29, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Your edits at Sudheendra Kulkarni

1. You started with Sudheendra Kulkarni, saying that you had no idea who the subject was.
2. You have deleted my edit on its talk page.
3. There was no editing done by you since 24 July 2011, you started editing on 28 May 2012 after I edited the page. Which looks like hounding.
4. This suspicion (hounding) is strengthened by the general lack of constructive edits. (Apart from pointing out that one link was not good and was dead - which was immediately heeded by me and replaced by other links).
5. Your ignorance of terms like or "card-carrying member" "judicial custody" should not force them to be removed from the article, as you are doing so.
6. You are pushing a line like " In 2011, Kulkarni was remanded in custody for a period and In November of that year was released on bail" which has punctuation errors and are vague, "in 2011" does that not warrant a "when" tag?
7. You misrepresent discussions on notice boards.
8. You have indulged in name calling (personal attacks) (see edit summary of talk page edit).
9. You tag a line which is to denote that a period mentioned is ambiguous. The exact statement is "The time period in the vicinity of this tag is ambiguous". There are many instances about which information is not available, for example when he was born, when he joined school at Athani, when he passed from school, when he joined CPI(M), when he left it, we do not have information, similarly the article doesn't inform when he joined Blitz and when he left it. Do you want the article to be full of tags? On the other hand you remove information which gives specific dates eg. dates of arrest and release. Why?
10. You force vague statements regarding a living person's arrest and release on bail, you disallow quotations from the judge granting bail explaining the reason he granted bail.

Everyone is free to do constructive edits, yours' in this care are not as far as I see them. Please note that this edit of mine would be followed by an official appeal (whenever I have the time and stomach for it). I have not bothered with diffs as this is an informal attempt to indicate that my editing pleasure (which I am entitled to) is adversely affected by your edits . Yogesh Khandke (talk) 08:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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