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	*:::There is no free alternative to an event that took place as part of the program. Generic free photos are simply used in the place to not violate the minimal use criterion.—] (]) 23:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC)		*:::There is no free alternative to an event that took place as part of the program. Generic free photos are simply used in the place to not violate the minimal use criterion.—] (]) 23:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
	*:::What would have happened if I had chosen a more specific photo of what happened, such as ? Surely that is not as replaceable as Marcus Pollard abseiling down into a cave as it actively shows a contestant performing a unique task for which we cannot depict with free photos. Most of the arguments here are stating that there are other locations that free photos exist of to be used in place of the events of the task at the cave. Usually I am able to find free photos depicting things that happened. In this case I could not. Surely NFCC#8 is met seeing as a free photo cannot convey as much information as this non-free one.—] (]) 00:39, 12 May 2012 (UTC)		*:::What would have happened if I had chosen a more specific photo of what happened, such as ? Surely that is not as replaceable as Marcus Pollard abseiling down into a cave as it actively shows a contestant performing a unique task for which we cannot depict with free photos. Most of the arguments here are stating that there are other locations that free photos exist of to be used in place of the events of the task at the cave. Usually I am able to find free photos depicting things that happened. In this case I could not. Surely NFCC#8 is met seeing as a free photo cannot convey as much information as this non-free one.—] (]) 00:39, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
			*::::Still no. There is no ''obligation'' for you to have an image in that slot, and neither photo conveys information that is critical to the understanding of the article and cannot be depicted in text. If you really, really want a photo to fill the slot, you could always email the producers. ] ] 00:50, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
	*'''Keep''': The picture shows "Marcus descends into the Goa Jomblang in Special Region of Yogyakarta as part of this Leg's Roadblock" which makes this is a historic event. Claim that a freely licensed version can be generated is preposterous since ] finale was 11 December 2011. That's air date not when the actual event had taken place. There is adequate text to accompany the image as well. --<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 22:52, 11 May 2012 (UTC)		*'''Keep''': The picture shows "Marcus descends into the Goa Jomblang in Special Region of Yogyakarta as part of this Leg's Roadblock" which makes this is a historic event. Claim that a freely licensed version can be generated is preposterous since ] finale was 11 December 2011. That's air date not when the actual event had taken place. There is adequate text to accompany the image as well. --<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 22:52, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
	*:You could still get a free picture of the cave, and your keep votes ignores NFCC criteria 8. ] ] 22:57, 11 May 2012 (UTC)		*:You could still get a free picture of the cave, and your keep votes ignores NFCC criteria 8. ] ] 22:57, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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File:Frontier Series - $100 rear.jpg

Excessive use of non-free files. I guess one could be kept, irrelevant which one. Stefan2 (talk) 23:59, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. If you're going to delete these, might as well delete all of these as well. Australian_banknotes#Current_series_(polymer). --Addi hockey 10 06:54, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out that article. A lot of files in that article need to be proposed for deletion. See also WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST. --Stefan2 (talk) 09:15, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ξ 05:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Relisting note: Originally deleted as a result of this discussion, but is being relisted after being asked to reconsider the result. — ξ 05:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Delete these images. But upload and use the ones from the official Bank of Canada site. Compared to some countries the Bank of Canada appear to be quite helpful, has anyone had a look at http://www.bankofcanada.ca/banknotes/image-gallery/ we can use their images as long as in addition to no commercial use

i) the photographs are reproduced accurately and without alterations

ii) the Bank of Canada is identified as the source

iii) you do not imply that your particular use of the photographs is done in affiliation with, or with the endorsement of, the Bank of Canada.

which I think we can comply with.--KTo288 (talk) 16:03, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Delete and don't replace with the Bank of Canada ones. The bank of Canada ones are restricted to non-commercial use and don't allow derivative works, so they are still unfree. Besides, it would still be excessive non-free use. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:23, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Note: I've contacted Bank of Canada and have requested they release it under a free license. --Addi hockey 10 23:06, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:NFCE-Uniform-WAS.PNG

The old revisions fail WP:NFCC#7. Any attempts to add {{subst:orfurrev}} are reverted by the uploader without explanation. The current version fails WP:NFCC#3b. Any attempts to add {{non-free reduce}} are reverted by the uploader without explanation. Stefan2 (talk) 12:49, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

The current upload is completely explained. The uniform changed on May 10, 2012 by the Washington Redskins and therefore their new image was uploaded to reflect this change. JohnnySeoul (talk) 14:03, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Delete per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 23:28, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Ajab.JPG

Fails WP:NFCC#3a: there is already a cover, File:Ajab-prem.jpg, elsewhere in the article. Stefan2 (talk) 13:00, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Delete per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 23:29, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Forged Pound Coin.jpg

I don't agree with the replaceability statement in the FUR. Why can't you use US dollars, Russian roubles or something else instead? Stefan2 (talk) 14:39, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm actually not bothered about whether it is kept here or not, if you follow the files history, you will see that it was originally uploaded here in 2007 and later moved to Commons, and I believe it has been used in the article in question since at least that time (though I haven't checked), I deleted it from Commons as an unfree image however, since it had been used here without previous objection, I thought I would do the editors of that article here the courtesy of returning to them their image.--KTo288 (talk) 14:54, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Keep. The image is not replaceable because there is no free British replacement. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 23:31, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
How old is the crest? Seems to me it's old enough to be PD, regardless of the mintage of the coin in question. -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 00:35, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Younus AlGohar inNP.PNG

no need to have a photo of a newspaper article in the wikipedia article Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Delete per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 23:32, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Y-intercept.PNG

Orphaned, superseded by vector version Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Y23--colman-s-mustard.jpg

Orphaned, not particularly good quality, photo of potentially copyrighted packaging Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Dylan&Eric.jpg

Duplicates File:Eric Harris.JPG and File:Dylan Klebold.JPG. We hope (talk) 15:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Delete per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 23:37, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Yaadian.jpg

Orphaned, unclear encyclopedic value, likely copyvio (book cover) Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:04, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:TheTVDOriginals.jpg

I believe this file is a copyright violation and not GFDL. -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 18:45, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Speedy delete. Obviously a copyvio. Nymf _hideliho! 21:39, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Vedran Gerc playing for Kedah FA.jpg

I believe this is a copyvio. -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 18:52, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:TAR19 - Marcus in Indonesia.jpg

This is now an orphaned non-free image. I removed it from the article because it does not meet criteria #8 of the NFCC, our understanding of the show is not hurt at all by not having the image. Furthermore, since every other section has a free image, there's no validity to the claim that no free image could be found for this leg. Sven Manguard Wha? 20:11, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Keep: It should have never been orphaned. It is being used to accompany text in the article that describes the content of one of the television episodes. There are apparently no free images depicting anything resembling the events, so this non-free one, of which it is only the second of two non-free images on the page, is utilizing it for. Sven removed it from the page without replacing it with a free alternative, of which none exists. There are perhaps free images of this building, which is the only other thing that happened in that episode, but it is not a free alternative to an image explicitly showing the events of the program.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:43, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Delete From Ryulong's argument, just because there presently doesn't exist a free image of any of the events from this leg, doesn't mean that we can't make one - all this stuff still exists in that leg, we just need some time and effort for someone to make a free image. --MASEM (t) 22:12, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
So just because there are free images representing the other events in the article that means we are not allowed to have one non-free image exactly depicting something from the show instead of just a vague photograph of a location? Because I certainly attempted to look for one of the cave on Flickr. However none of these are in a valid Creative Commons license. I'd rather there be an interesting non-free image on the page that qualifies for almost all of the non-free content criteria than one uninteresting free photo that doesn't tell the reader anything important. Sven did not even bother to find a replacement. He just removed it stating the article would not be harmed by its removal.—Ryulong (竜龙) 22:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict) No, you're not allowed to have the one non-free image because the article really dosen't need it. People seem to think that our non-free content policy says "look for a free image first, and if there isn't one, just toss in a non-free image". That's incorrect. That's close to what criteria 1 says, but even then it's overgenerous. Let me quote: "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." (my bold). Additionally, you can't make a reasonable argument that I wouldn't be able to understand the show, or even understand the challenge, without seeing the image, so it fails criteria 8 as well. Again, to quote "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." (again my bold). Sven Manguard Wha? 22:56, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
There is no free alternative to an event that took place as part of the program. Generic free photos are simply used in the place to not violate the minimal use criterion.—Ryulong (竜龙) 23:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

What would have happened if I had chosen a more specific photo of what happened, such as this one? Surely that is not as replaceable as Marcus Pollard abseiling down into a cave as it actively shows a contestant performing a unique task for which we cannot depict with free photos. Most of the arguments here are stating that there are other locations that free photos exist of to be used in place of the events of the task at the cave. Usually I am able to find free photos depicting things that happened. In this case I could not. Surely NFCC#8 is met seeing as a free photo cannot convey as much information as this non-free one.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:39, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Still no. There is no obligation for you to have an image in that slot, and neither photo conveys information that is critical to the understanding of the article and cannot be depicted in text. If you really, really want a photo to fill the slot, you could always email the producers. Sven Manguard Wha? 00:50, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Keep: The picture shows "Marcus descends into the Goa Jomblang in Special Region of Yogyakarta as part of this Leg's Roadblock" which makes this is a historic event. Claim that a freely licensed version can be generated is preposterous since The Amazing Race 19 finale was 11 December 2011. That's air date not when the actual event had taken place. There is adequate text to accompany the image as well. -- A Certain White Cat 22:52, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
You could still get a free picture of the cave, and your keep votes ignores NFCC criteria 8. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:57, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Cave isn't interesting to me. What is interesting is the event where the person is entering the cave. It does not look like an easy task. There is a big difference between taking the photo of Lincoln Memorial today and same object when Dr. King was giving his iconic speech. -- A Certain White Cat 00:46, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Delete per nom and Masem. Someone could (perhaps not easily) go to the cave and take a picture. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 23:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Kraton Yogyakarta 6.JPG can be used, as this depicts the pit stop. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 23:54, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Why does that one need to be chosen and why not an actual event from the show in the cave? It's something that happened and we have photos of and it serves a better purpose than just a photograph of the cave or a photograph of somewhere else they traveled to.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:27, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

File:CuTcakE!.jpg

Personal photo of indef blocked user Danger! 23:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Delete per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 23:55, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:69blir.jpeg

Unused low resolution image. Cloudbound (talk) 23:56, 11 May 2012 (UTC)