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Cleanup

http://en.wikipedia.org/Category:All_pages_needing_factual_verification

Citroen 2CV

Create a table of yearly production figures (worldwide) from this reference for the Citroen 2CV article.

• http://www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/michelin/2cv/production.html

February 2012

Your post at WP:LGBT was not neutrally worded and failed to assume good faith of WPChristianity editors. Additionally you are attempting to create a battleground between wikiprojects. You are in violation of WP:AGF, WP:CANVASS and WP:BATTLEGROUND. – Lionel 10:52, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Jenova, I saw your comment at WP:LGBT, and I very nearly left the same message. I wholly endorse Lionel here, and suggest that you redact/reword your comment. Remember, Misplaced Pages is not a place for fights, it's a place of collaboration. Worm · (talk) 10:54, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll take another look.

Thanks Jenova20 10:55, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I thought that was reliable actually, admittedly i didn't go into too much depth on the site but i did specifically look for a religious reference rather than something that could be easily challenged as biased.

I don't feel i acted in bad faith as at this moment i still don't see why it is an unreliable source and tried to put it as neutral as possible.

Besides, there's well documented evidence of a high risk of suicide and even the leaders of Exodus International have claimed it is impossible to change orientation (and that they can only suppress it) so another source would be easy to find and the section wouldn't be too difficult to reword.

How exactly do you get canvassing from this anyway?

Thanks Jenova20 11:03, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Lionel and I weren't commenting about the subject of the the note on WP:LGBT, but rather the note on WP:LGBT itself. This one to be precise. You suggest that WP:CHRISTIANITY is likely to start a "war" - which sounds like "rallying the troops". The problem is that the this instantly assumes the worst of WP:CHRISTIANITY (against WP:AGF) and promotes fighting atmosphere (against WP:BATTLEGROUND). That's exactly what WP:CANVASS is trying to stop. Worm · (talk) 11:28, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, right.

Yes i accept that criticism.

I added it because i'm not online as much as i'd like and because ex-gay issues are often subject to edit wars, just as Homosexuals Anonymous is now.

I didn't mean it specifically as that Wikiproject would cause an edit war though, just that it was likely what i added would be challenged/removed when i'm not around to notice.

I'll reword it and thanks for correcting me Jenova20 11:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Better? Jenova20 11:53, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Better, but not perfect. I'm still not happy with the implication of an edit war with a religious group. I'd have put

I have added in a sentence regarding suicide risk to the lead, along with a reliable source. More eyes would be appreciated at this contentious areas. Thanks

which would be much more neutral. As it happens, I'm not happy with the edit either, so I'm going to get involved there too. Worm · (talk) 12:03, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Okedokie

The suicide and harm ex-gay groups cause will be will documented everywhere though so it's important to add.

Even Exodus International (one of the biggest, or THE biggest) has stated that it doesn't work and can only suppress attraction rather than cure it.

Thanks Jenova20 12:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Changed it but left the religious bit in since it's true and 99% if not 100% of ex-gay groups are funded by religions and usually use prayer anyway and so any edit war is most likely going to be from that background.

Thanks and i understand your angle Jenova20 12:19, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'll take my concerns to the talk page of the article. Worm · (talk) 12:21, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Okedokie, thanks for getting involved Jenova20 12:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

--Gilderien Talk|Contribs 15:24, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposed merge

Please see the discussion at Talk:Straight_pride#Proposed_merge. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 04:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Template:Arseholes

I'm glad you liked my userbox enough to place it on your user page. Someone has nominated it for deletion and I would delighted if you could comment. Regards, Wee Curry Monster talk 08:09, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, i thought i was in trouble...glad to see that's not the case =]

How do i comment? Jenova20 10:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Merci. Wee Curry Monster talk 11:03, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

No problemo, the tide is turning i see and the argument against the userbox is poor at best, and has a foundation like that of a sandcastle Jenova20 11:32, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Careful

This request for help could be interpreted as a violation of WP:CANVASS. You cannot ask at user talkpages for support at contentious discussions from people who you suspect share your ideology. – Lionel 04:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The first paragraph: "In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it is done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus."

Viridias cannot vote more than once either so i'm not canvassing. Read the most recent discussion on that page and you can see why this is not going how it should.

Your side is treating it as a vote and offering no policies to support your decision and i will be forced to take this to AFD if that's not going to change.

There's also the most recent vote if you care to read it...That's not entirely appropriate or helpful to discussion of this article.

Thanks Jenova20 09:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

CSD

I've deleted the incorrect redirect. Get the new article to a decent state then discuss a move, don't just blank the redirect. Worm · (talk) 16:23, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I meant to list that as A6 too but forgot. I've just asked TexasAndroid if he can delete it too.

I'll add information and sources, i'm just trying to sort out the names out as it was confusing.

Thanks Dave Jenova20 16:26, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Magic Hour (album)

Hello Jenova20, I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Magic Hour (album), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: -db: Already declined once. G6 does not apply to a valid redirect under a longstanding title and ther are editorial souytions for other issues. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion. Thank you. Tikiwont (talk) 21:05, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

E.g you could update {{Cast}}, check for other links and then redirect to the dab page if you must. --Tikiwont (talk) 21:09, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Okedokie Jenova20 22:35, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I archived the discussion

Sorry, but I archived the discussion. I'm sure Worm feels strongly about his girlfriend's experience, but that's hardly evidence that the gay pride event discriminates against anyone. For all we know, they might have turned her away for a multitude of reasons other than her sexuality. However, it is my experience that every group discriminates, but this is human nature that we are trying to overcome as individuals. On the contrary, it is not indicative of this group nor is there any solid evidence that LGBT pride events discriminate. Viriditas (talk) 19:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Agree completely.

I've only ever heard of one situation like this, where a gay sportsman (John Amechi??) was blocked from going into a gay bar for having earlier caused trouble in a nearby bar. He claimed he hadn't though and i never heard how it worked out in the news.

No offence to Worm at all but i'm sure there's more to his story than we've so far heard...

Thanks Jenova20 22:44, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Straight Pride

Hi! Thanks for getting involved; you've helped me get even more interested. However, I think by feeding the trolls on the talk page, the flames to turn merge material into a full-fledged article have been fanned. Please send me an email and I'll go into further detail. Btw, I just rehauled the stub so that it can be merged in its entirety. --CJ Withers (talk) 23:01, 24 March 2012 (UTC)