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Judaism Portal

Hi, I was just wondering what you were adding to Portal:Judaism? Are you having technical difficulties? Magister Scienta 14:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hello Chesdovi, have a happy, gelt and latke filled Chanukah! -Magister Scienta (talk)

Maariv→Arvith

If I were to initiate a WP:RM to move Maariv to Arvith, would that be something to which you would object?—Biosketch (talk) 17:31, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

It is so called in the diaspora by Sefardim, who spell it: Arbit. I prefer evening prayers or service. Chesdovi (talk) 17:37, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Judaism Portal

Hi Chesdovi, I was just wondering why you were taking some of the Judaism FAs off of the portal page that gives a list of them (e.g. Anne Frank). Thanks, Magister Scienta 18:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

What does Anne Frank have to do with Judaism? Was she a rabbi? Chesdovi (talk) 19:06, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

She was Jewish and is perhaps the best known victim of the Holocaust. Magister Scienta 21:34, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Judaism and Jews are different. Judaism is the religion, Jews are people of semitic appearance who enjoy eating chopped liver. I agree the wikiproject scope os blurrred, but it is like that as no other project or portal has been created. If this was called "Jews and Judaism" it would be different. Chesdovi (talk) 22:29, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Are you suggesting that article about Jewish people should, in their own right, not be included in the scope of WikiProject Judaism? Magister Scienta 23:05, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes. (But I think User:Busstop disagrees). Chesdovi (talk) 01:19, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Since it is currently WikiProjects Judaism's de facto policy to consider most articles pertaining to some form of Judaism, Jewishness, etc. part of the scope of the project, I think you need to have an RfC (most likely on the project's talk page) to clarify what WikiProject Judaism's policy on scope is. Otherwise, I think it's fair that I reinsert the FA articles that you took off of the portal section. As a courtesy I will not male an action pertaining to any of this until either a) a consensus has been found concerning this issue of b) you tell me you don't want to continue this issue. Thanks, Magister Scienta 03:23, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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More uploads from Hebrew wikipedia

Hi, I was wondering if you could upload these images from the Hebrew Misplaced Pages for inclusion in articles about the Sochatchov Hasidic dynasty. (I'm currently writing the main page for the dynasty, though I already have all the rabbi pages up.) If you don't have time for this, could you direct me to some kind of instructions for uploading these images?

• Ohel of the Avnei Nezer
• Shmuel Bornsztain, Sixth Sochatchover Rebbe
• Menachem Shlomo Bornsztain

Thank you very much, Yoninah (talk) 22:31, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

You save the image (use the same name or choose a better one in English), then upload it to commons retaining all the details of the original uploader. Chesdovi (talk) 22:42, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I am sorry, I have spent a few minutes back and forth with Commons Helper and TUSC control, and I have no idea how to upload Menachem Shlomo Bornsztain! Do you mind? Yoninah (talk) 17:42, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I suggest cropping out the right book shelf on: Shmuel Bornsztain, Sixth Sochatchover Rebbe.jpg. Chesdovi (talk) 22:47, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

OK. I don't know how to crop pictures, either :( Yoninah (talk) 15:45, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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... and it's been closed. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 15:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Well its very lucky, because I did not check the history. Chesdovi (talk) 15:13, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Sochaczew Jewish cemetery

Thanks for the heads-up on these images. They're excellent for the Avrohom Bornsztain page, where I see I added a whole discussion about the restoration of the ohel and the cemetery. Yoninah (talk) 15:45, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree, and thanks, it makes interesting reading. Chesdovi (talk) 15:57, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

History of the Jews in the Land of Israel

Hi Chesdovi. I really appreciate the superb job you are doing on this article.

Since I understand you have a lot of knowledge in this topic, I'd really appreciate any help you can provide in the improvement and expansion of the article Timeline of the history of the region of Palestine (I mostly need help completing all the missing reliable scientific sources to the events occurring prior to the 1st millennium). TheCuriousGnome (talk) 17:33, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

It's a matter of having the time and will I'm afriad. Chesdovi (talk) 21:23, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Israel Friedman of Ruzhyn

Hi, I noticed your latest edit, removing "Yisroel" from the page. Did you see my comment here on the talk page? I really think this article should be retitled Yisroel Friedman of Ruzhin. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:38, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

I am all for consistency, but in this case I feel Israel is better. Chesdovi (talk) 10:25, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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Alfandari

I don't think it's him. He was Turkish, not Yemenite. Yoninah (talk) 12:34, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Response

Lemme know if you have a response to this. Silence would mean you agree.VR _talk 00:01, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Nabi Yahya Mosque

Greetings old friend! Just wanted thank you for adding that picture to the article ;) --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:21, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I saw it and couldn't resist, and it looks much better in the box you put it in. Chesdovi (talk) 20:57, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Jerusalem Naming Conventions

Hi, I've put up a proposal re: Naming Conventions for Locations in Jerusalem here (http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Israel_Palestine_Collaboration/Current_Article_Issues#Naming_Conventions_for_Locations_in_Jerusalem) and would very much appreciate any comments you have on this issue. BothHandsBlack (talk) 19:01, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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Per this AE report this is to notify you that you are topic banned from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces indefinitely per this AE report. This replaces all previous ARBPIA sanctions against you. Your block for 30 days remains in place. Future violations of your TBAN will result in long term blocks. --WGFinley (talk) 17:43, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I would like to know what you mean by "given the vast number of previous bans." How many bans constitute "vast"? As far as I can recall the first was a 72hr ban which was implemented under ARBPIA, but that was erroneous, as the dispute was not related to I/P: (EdJohnston: "that the rabbis of 400 years ago should be referred to as Palestinian is not covered by ARBPIA restrictions). Then there was a 1yr ban which was implemented for what I feel was due to my inexperience at AE by filing a "frivolous" stale report apparently showing up my “battleground mentality”. The last type of ban was about using the word Palestine, which again was not actually related to the I/P conflict. So all in all, I have had 1 topic ban centered around the I/P conflict area. Yet I see Nableezy has been banned over 12 times, yet there is no indefinite ban for him. Please explain.

You also suggested at AE to impose an indefinite ban bearing in mind I was “fresh off having a 30 day block reduced in November.” That block was not due to a topic ban violation, but rather an wholly unintentional violation of an interaction ban. Please explain.

You further state “I've gotten nothing but cryptic emails from Chesdovi”, which I am sorry to say I find very insulting. I would not call my email to you “nothing but cryptic”. You initially engaged with my correspondence, and then, after failing to respond to my comprehensive appeal, neglected to post it at AE after my indication that I was happy for you to do so. Please explain.

Thanks. Chesdovi (talk) 10:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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I am not getting any response from my blocking Admin. Chesdovi (talk) 20:30, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Maybe try contacting him on his talk page (User talk:Wgfinley), as he is probably not aware of your response. Cheers, benzband (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

You probably want to use Template:Adminhelp. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 21:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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My block has gone unchallenged by myself despite email correspondance with the blocking Admin which indicated that he sould duplicate my respone at AE, which he subsequently closed without doing so saying he had only gotten "cryptic messages" from me. I still wish to challenge my block and an indef t-ban which was implemented without any participation of myself at AE. Incredible. Chesdovi (talk) 10:37, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have no way of assessing the validity or otherwise of your comments relating to emails which I have not seen, and any other administrator would be in the same position. I suggest that you follow the link given above to the guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks, and follow the instructions there. However, I should also point out that you quite unambiguously violated the terms of your topic ban. If you thought that the topic ban was unreasonable, you could have appealed against it: ignoring it, being blocked as a result of doing so, and then appealing against the block on the grounds that you never agreed with the topic ban is not likely to be successful. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:31, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.

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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Chesdovi

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Chesdovi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – ~~~

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Statement by Chesdovi

I appeal the block on the basis that the edit at hand is not to be considered a violation based on two points:

• 1. The edit was rectifying an undisputable fiction. The edit is not controversial or open to conflict:
  • It is a fallacy and deception to categorise this site as a mosque. For years, it has been used for exclusive Jewish prayer. A more accurate category would possibly be “Former mosques” or “Synagogues converted from Mosques.” It is currently not a mosque, just as Nabi Yahya Mosque ‎is not categoriesd as a chruch, but as a “Mosque converted from a church by the Ayyubid dynasty.” There is no dispute in the I/P conflict regarding this verifiable fact! All agree Rachel’s tomb is now a synagogue, with Muslims being excluded - that is the cause of Palestinian concern – that it has been converted from a mosque! It cannot be considered within the realm of the A/I conflict to designate a contested site with its correct & undeniable current usage. It is just not comparable to removing one and adding another to, let's say, the Ibrahami mosque in Hebron, a site which indeed contains both a mosque and a synagogue. (UNESCO have simply referred to the tomb by its former designation.)

• 2. The edit was not made with the I/P in mind:
  • The edit in question was not made in a vacuum. It was made during a comprehensive 50,000 byte examination and discussion of the sources at hand. That the very discussion was allowed to take place while under ban, supports that any edits in this area are permitted. Discussing whether or not a West Bank shrine was intended to be used as a mosque 160 years ago is not deemed as being related to the conflict. Since the pages inception nearly 12 years ago, it was never categoriesd as a mosque, all of a sudden, in the midst of this discussion regarding using the term “mosque” for the vestibule and tomb as a whole, SD thinks it wise to add a category and template delineating the building as such. (SD did not respond to my post “No minaret?” prior to my edit.) Addition of that category was not in order considering the on-going discussions about the historicity of the tomb. It is clear from my discussions with User:Vice regent that there is substantial background to this edit than would be apparent. It was not just an impetuous, isolated attempt to insert the “Israeli view”. The removal of “mosque” and addition of “synagogue” had everything to do with the talk discussions in mind, and nothing to do with trying to enforce a partisan position within the I/P conflict. For me, this is just the same as removing the erroneous “Churches in the West Bank” from Tomb of Lazarus and replacing it with correct “Mosques in the West Bank”. Bear in mind neither categories are inherently linked to the conflict, just as the article itself is not. FYI, the actual reason why I do not believe this the vestibule was built as a mosque is not out of an Israeli partisan position, but rather on the absurdness that Sir Moses Montefiore would have built, in 1841, a mosque at a Jewish shrine. This has long been my consistent argument made at talk. I have never made a mention at talk in the related discussions of either UNESCO of Israeli government positions, and have concentrated on the original intended use which pre-dates the conflict.

I understand that I should be staying as far as possible from the A/I area, but in this instance it seems that a debate regarding an 1841 building caused SD to come to an erroneous conclusion about the buildings current designation. I am fully aware about my ban and had no intention to violate it.

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