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• User talk:28bytes/Archive 11#This is a thankless work (ref: Van Tuong Nguyen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs))
• Greetings! I was told to approach you for advice/help on the following matter, evidenced in the above archive which shows that I had spoken to another admin with regards to a simple content dispute over a different choice of word that was used in an article page, I then posted my request for comment on both "WP:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#NPOV over SYN?" and "WP:No original research/Noticeboard#NPOV over SYN?" but the obnoxious Anon IP editor followed me there and chosed instead to pose his question to me on one of them for obvious reasons. To be fair, I'm only asking for fair assessment/opinion from un-involved third party of the noticeboards, not his biased view. As you are a native speaker of English (I'm Singapore, which uses British English), is there any way you could provide your assessment on this matter? In any case, note that due to the abusive nature of the Anon IP, I have decided against engaging in any war of words, for which I know could let myself down anytime when I can't hold my cool. --Dave 14:36, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for your input there, but if I may ask, why "said" over "explained"? --Dave 03:36, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I would say that "said" is perfectly acceptable in that context, and when I looked at the guideline it seemed clear that "said" is preferred. It is a very small point, you know. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:18, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry, I'm very confused now because the first sentence in the paragraph starts off: "Howard later said he was "very disappointed" that Lee did not inform him of Nguyen's execution date during their meeting that morning." and the part where the contention follows is in the second sentence: "Lee explained that the letter sent to Mrs Nguyen had arrived a day earlier than anticipated." Please correct me if I got it wrong in thinking that "explained" is preferred over "said" in this case. Thank you. --Dave 10:36, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

"Said" is obviously OK there, in fact. I'm not clear why you think so much effort to "win" this argument is justified. My advice is to leave this matter now. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:40, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

• Without prejudice, I'm not trying to win anybody (as you can see, I've left the article by itself!), honestly. Like I said, I'm not really a native speaker of English so I have to correct myself when the opportunity presents itself. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I want to know what went wrong... call it a job-related behaviour, I'm an avionics engineer by trade. --Dave 10:54, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Things are not so precise here, clearly. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:25, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Portrait of Joseph Henry Green by Phillips

You've identified the portrait correctly. "Joseph Henry Green, by Thomas Phillips RA (1770–1845),. Professor of Painting at the Royal Academy (1825–32). Oil on canvas; unsigned and undated." Google the string "Figure 1 Joseph Henry Green, by Thomas Phillips RA (1770–1845)" and click the Google view icon to see the page with the image and caption in the Journal of Medical Biography. (It's the second item on the search results for me.) - PKM (talk) 01:58, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks, I should do something about it therefore. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:26, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

I can grab it if you are busy with other things. Just let me know. - PKM (talk) 01:57, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, always plenty to do, so I'd appreciate that. Charles Matthews (talk) 06:04, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Done! - PKM (talk) 02:12, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

BLP and legal problem on Death of Caylee Anthony article

An otherwise fine editor is insisting that this paragraph, containing statements by the Jury Foreman, are not a BLP violation. I am a former paralegal and I think that they are not only a BLP violation but libelous. I maintain that even if all the statements are not used, the "linking" to the material containing the full statements is considered libelous. I have cited BLP violations and various websites and even a legal precident, though old, is still being used in today. The paragraph containing the Jury Foreman's quote is as follows:

The Jury Foreman expressed suspicion of both Casey and George Anthony. "When I had to sign off on the verdict, the sheet that was given to me – there was just a feeling of disgust that came over me knowing that my signature and signature were going to be on the same sheet," he said, but that there was also a suspicion of George Anthony that played a part in their deliberations. The foreman stated his work experience enabled him to read people and that George Anthony "had a very selective memory" which stayed with the jurors, emphasizing that the jury was frustrated by the motive, cause of death, and George Anthony. "That a mother would want to do something like that to her child just because she wanted to go out and party," he said. "We felt that the motive that the state provided was, in our eyes, was just kind of weak." Though all of the jurors found Casey Anthony's behavior in the wake of her daughter's death "disgusting" and otherwise inappropriate, the foreman said the jury did not factor that behavior into their verdict because it was not illegal. They initially took a vote on the murder count, which was 10-2 (two voting guilty), but after more than ten hours of deliberation, they decided the only charges they felt were proven were the four counts of lying to law enforcement.

The websites that I quoted were the following: http://www.dba-oracle.com/internet_linking_libel_lawsuit.htm Linking to a defamatory web page is republishing the web page. The legal precident, though a very old case, is still being used today. It is also found here: http://www.swarb.co.uk/lisc/Defam18491899.php. and here: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/tag/dog-the-bounty-hunter/ and here: http://www.cjr.org/regret_the_error/to_repeat_or_not_to_repeat_1.php I have removed references in the article because at least one of them appears to be on Misplaced Pages Blacklist. they are, of course, on the article page with the discussion on the talk page under the section title: Some possible BLP issues. Will you please intervene? Thank you Mugginsx (talk) 22:38, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

You should participate in the thread about this on Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:02, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

The Bull Hotel, Cambridge

Confusing. I think this refers to the Black Bull Hotel in a village beginning with b or the one in Peterbororough?♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

It will be this Grade II listed building: http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-47234-bull-hotel-former-cambridge, very near St Catherine's College. Now a shop. The Perse School for Girls was apparently founded there in 1881. You can see "68 Trumpington Street" via Google Map. This is quite interesting: Bull College was there around 1945 to 1947, GIs taking Cambridge courses. Some early history on http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66615. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:00, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Nice one. Its just I couldn't find an existing bull hotel in Cambridge although I found one in Peterborough and one named The Black Bull in some Cambridgeshire village. Given that google books picked up so many Bull Hotel Cambridge hits I gathered it was notable. Thankyou Charles, I will peruse the sources you suggested.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:52, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

English county histories

Great stuff! Are you thinking of creating a similar page for Wales at any time? Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:21, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Aaargh, too much work already? But I have no objection: I'm just not very aware of what there is. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:26, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Neither am I (except for Monmouthshire) - I just wondered if you were using a central source that had the information. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:28, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

No indeed. So far I have mainly Googled around for likely titles. This is one of the projects growing out of my work on the Dictionary of National Biography in fact: there are so many antiquarians mentioned there who worked on such histories that it made sense to me to create some sort of overview page. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:31, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello Charles, great to meet you at Cambridge recently, I've sent you an email. All the best - ixo (talk) 07:05, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

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