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| :It's not just these two. You do it to almost everybody who you don't agree with. If things aren't going your way, you throw around insults, which might not be directly at the person, but they still affect them the same way. I'd hate to see you get blocked or something when you actually do a lot of good work. <sub style="color:#00008B;">''']'''</sub> <sup>(]·])</sup> 20:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC) | :It's not just these two. You do it to almost everybody who you don't agree with. If things aren't going your way, you throw around insults, which might not be directly at the person, but they still affect them the same way. I'd hate to see you get blocked or something when you actually do a lot of good work. <sub style="color:#00008B;">''']'''</sub> <sup>(]·])</sup> 20:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC) | ||
| ::My use of the curses always results from my frustration in dealing with certain users over time, which is the only reason why I have been incivil in the situations pointed out above. I can attempt to curb my use, but I sincerely doubt that it will be eliminated completely. It's simply how I write in an informal setting.—<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font> (<font color="Gold">竜龙</font>) 20:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC) | ::My use of the curses always results from my frustration in dealing with certain users over time, which is the only reason why I have been incivil in the situations pointed out above. I can attempt to curb my use, but I sincerely doubt that it will be eliminated completely. It's simply how I write in an informal setting.—<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font> (<font color="Gold">竜龙</font>) 20:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC) | ||
| ::I think what you fail to realize is that Misplaced Pages, regardless of what space it is in; is NOT an informal setting. EVERYTHING we say or do here is visible for the ENTIRE WORLD to see. And if the media picks up someone throwing around swear words like it will be a PR disaster from which we would never recover. Think about that before you go about throwing them around like they are a dime a 20-dozen! ] | ] | ] 22:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
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XGather Promo cards
FYI - there's new promo cards listed here (27-30) for translation addition to the list at List of promotional Rangers Strike cards. JPG-GR (talk) 02:21, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
- Done.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:27, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Ringo Sheena
I have done this move, fixed no less than fourteen resulting double redirects, and changed "Shiina" to "Sheena" where it seemed appropriate in the early part of the article; can I leave you to check the rest of it? Regards, JohnCD (talk) 13:08, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
- Will do.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 17:49, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Rebuild of Evangelion Cast
Saw that you removed cast list from Rebuild of Evangelion page. Thought it would be good to recognize voice talent and it would be redundant to have on four separate pages. Your thoughts? Ode2joy (talk) 03:12, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- The casts are mentioned on all pages unless there is a central character list (which is the case for Eva as far as I am aware).—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 17:19, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Civility
A glance at your recent contributions reveals the following breaks of civility:
- "We are not going through this bullshit again."
- Ad hominem: "considering Racepacket's involvement, it will not turn out well."
- Virtually the entire comment, including "I am so intesely tiredof you bullshit attempts to get these pages into good or featured status. There is absolutely no fucking reason why anyone would need to copy the entire code of an article and userfy it during a Good Article nomination."
- Shouting
- "Who the hell ever said…"
- "He takes the most asinine approach to GA nominations…"
You have been chastised multiple times for acts of incivility, including by ArbCom. Please try harder to control your emotions. If nothing else, engaging in uncivil discourse undermines your own image and credibility in the eyes of third parties. —Bill Price (nyb) 00:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- I have lost my patience in dealing with Racepacket over the articles University of Miami and Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science. He has lost any semblance of good faith with me when it comes to editing these articles, particularly after I learned about the copyright issues. If Racepacket cannot be trusted to edit this project without someone watching over his edits to make sure he is not performing copyright violations, why should I use kid gloves when raising issues about it? And again, my use of curse words not directed towards any individual is not going to change any time soon.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- One of the five pillars requires you to "interact in a respectful and civil manner." You are not excused from that obligation just because you dislike someone—that doesn't make any sense. Why would you act uncivilly toward someone you like? —Bill Price (nyb) 00:32, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- It is not a matter of dislike. It is a matter of his behavior as seen by the community as a whole. It took them a year and a half to realize he is difficult to work with.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:36, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps you could withdraw your MfD? I really don't want to edit war with you. As you saw from the last GA review, I deferred to you on the sustainability language. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 02:46, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Just weighing in on this whole debacle: I have interacted with Ryulong in the past and have found that he generally reverts ANYTHING that he does not like on his talk page (Heck; he ever reverted this!) whereas I have had to hand in my rollback rights for MUCH less than this! I think that this is (to me) creating a whole double-standard on wikipedia where admins can get away with anything such as using rollback for anything but blatant vandalism while when we mere users do the same ((ab)use rollback for anything but blatant vandalism) we get punished for it. Either the rollback rules need to be enforced either universally slack or universally strict. Just my $0.02 Barts1a | Talk to me | Yell at me 04:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Just want to point out, Ryulong is not an admin, so I don't get what you are saying. Blake 16:29, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Also when it comes to the personal userspace, rollback can be used for whatever the fuck I want.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Protip: Cursing people out in a discussion about your issues with being civil with other users is a pretty bad idea. But I digress, while I've not encountered the level of verbal abuse that Racepacket has taken from Ryulong, I've felt a sense of incivility with Ryulong before. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- I believe I am fully within my right to conduct myself however I wish within my userspace. And, again, my use of any curse words is not directed towards anyone, so I fail to see how they are an issue.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:04, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Cursing people out does not necessarily entail that you are directing the curses at the people specifically. You may delete your comments as often as you like regardless of the content, but that does not mean that you may conduct yourself in any way on your userspace. The whole point of the incivility policy is to ensure that discussion does not become uncomfortable or inappropriate. If you conduct yourself in this way, it makes people less inclined to attempt discussion with you, and it makes getting results that much more difficult in any situation you are involved with. You also contradict yourself; at one point you argue that you have the right to conduct yourself in any way, but defend your actions by saying that it wasn't directed at anyone. If you had ultimate right to conduct yourself in any way you wish, wouldn't you be able to personally attack other people? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- It is in my opinion that I can use the words you are claiming contribute to incivility within my talk space so long as they are not used in a manner that can be construed as a personal attack, as has been pointed out to me in the past with users who feel that my use of such words on their talk pages are personal attacks, as was the situation with my interactions with Barts1a.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- That is simply not true, and is not supported by any policy, nor would it be. Incivility is incivility, no matter where it is happening. How can we have a proper discussion with you if we feel that you are going to make it inappropriate? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:18, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Well I am sorry if I am wrong. I end to use the words when I find myself fed up with the situation at hand. Both Racepacket and Barts1a have worn my patience thin over what I have been through with them.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- That is simply not true, and is not supported by any policy, nor would it be. Incivility is incivility, no matter where it is happening. How can we have a proper discussion with you if we feel that you are going to make it inappropriate? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:18, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- It is in my opinion that I can use the words you are claiming contribute to incivility within my talk space so long as they are not used in a manner that can be construed as a personal attack, as has been pointed out to me in the past with users who feel that my use of such words on their talk pages are personal attacks, as was the situation with my interactions with Barts1a.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Cursing people out does not necessarily entail that you are directing the curses at the people specifically. You may delete your comments as often as you like regardless of the content, but that does not mean that you may conduct yourself in any way on your userspace. The whole point of the incivility policy is to ensure that discussion does not become uncomfortable or inappropriate. If you conduct yourself in this way, it makes people less inclined to attempt discussion with you, and it makes getting results that much more difficult in any situation you are involved with. You also contradict yourself; at one point you argue that you have the right to conduct yourself in any way, but defend your actions by saying that it wasn't directed at anyone. If you had ultimate right to conduct yourself in any way you wish, wouldn't you be able to personally attack other people? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- I believe I am fully within my right to conduct myself however I wish within my userspace. And, again, my use of any curse words is not directed towards anyone, so I fail to see how they are an issue.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:04, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Protip: Cursing people out in a discussion about your issues with being civil with other users is a pretty bad idea. But I digress, while I've not encountered the level of verbal abuse that Racepacket has taken from Ryulong, I've felt a sense of incivility with Ryulong before. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Just weighing in on this whole debacle: I have interacted with Ryulong in the past and have found that he generally reverts ANYTHING that he does not like on his talk page (Heck; he ever reverted this!) whereas I have had to hand in my rollback rights for MUCH less than this! I think that this is (to me) creating a whole double-standard on wikipedia where admins can get away with anything such as using rollback for anything but blatant vandalism while when we mere users do the same ((ab)use rollback for anything but blatant vandalism) we get punished for it. Either the rollback rules need to be enforced either universally slack or universally strict. Just my $0.02 Barts1a | Talk to me | Yell at me 04:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps you could withdraw your MfD? I really don't want to edit war with you. As you saw from the last GA review, I deferred to you on the sustainability language. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 02:46, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- It is not a matter of dislike. It is a matter of his behavior as seen by the community as a whole. It took them a year and a half to realize he is difficult to work with.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:36, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- One of the five pillars requires you to "interact in a respectful and civil manner." You are not excused from that obligation just because you dislike someone—that doesn't make any sense. Why would you act uncivilly toward someone you like? —Bill Price (nyb) 00:32, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I just want to make it clear that no one is on the attack with you (at least I am not). All we want is for you to make an attempt to use more civil language and to better control your temper, even if someone is egging you on. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- It's not just these two. You do it to almost everybody who you don't agree with. If things aren't going your way, you throw around insults, which might not be directly at the person, but they still affect them the same way. I'd hate to see you get blocked or something when you actually do a lot of good work. Blake 20:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- My use of the curses always results from my frustration in dealing with certain users over time, which is the only reason why I have been incivil in the situations pointed out above. I can attempt to curb my use, but I sincerely doubt that it will be eliminated completely. It's simply how I write in an informal setting.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- I think what you fail to realize is that Misplaced Pages, regardless of what space it is in; is NOT an informal setting. EVERYTHING we say or do here is visible for the ENTIRE WORLD to see. And if the media picks up someone throwing around swear words like this guy (WARNING: NSFW! And a slight exaggeration; but the point that I am using this for is there) it will be a PR disaster from which we would never recover. Think about that before you go about throwing them around like they are a dime a 20-dozen! Barts1a | Talk to me | Yell at me 22:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC)