March 13, 2011 (2011-03-13) (Sunday)
Armed conflict and attacks
Business and economy
- Donald Elmer, the Chief Executive of a small U.S.–based pharmaceutical company, Koronis, said that he is looking to raise money through London's Alternative Investment Market, thus enabling the next stage of clinical tests for his company's anti-HIV product, KP-1461. (Reuters)
Disasters
International relations
Law and crime
Politics and elections
China adopts a new 5-year plan
This just happened minutes ago so western sources haven't reported it yet, .
China adopts a new 5-year plan which aims to boost spending on public services, decrease economic inequality, and increase employement and wages.
AgadaUrbanit (talk) 08:27, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley abruptly resigns
Very interesting case in major headlines where a top U.S. official speaks his mind and gets sacked, political "resignation" terminology aside. CNN Am linking to Manning's article, which is in quite reasonable shape, as opposed to the Crowley one, which needs work. Have decided to leave out mention of Wikileaks and whistleblowing due to length concerns. Suggested blurb: U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley abruptly resigns after controversial comments regarding the jail conditions of Bradley Manning. Jusdafax 07:02, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support. The article Bradley Manning is fairly extensive, which is always a plus, and properly updated already. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:05, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Arab League calls for no fly zone over Libya
Amid continuing conflict in Libya, the Arab League calls for for a no-fly zone.
- Suggested. The news reports say that the UN Security Council is expected to debate this next week, although it is still far from assured. The bigger news might be the change this signals in Arab politics. USA Today reports that it indicates Arab governments now have to pay more attention to public sentiment. The Libyan uprising article is updated, but it needs polishing before going live. The other aspects of this that could be included in the blurb are that the Arab League has ceased to recognize Qaddafi's government and has instead recognized the opposition as the legitimate voice of Libyan people.--Chaser (talk) 21:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support - Important development in this ongoing story. Jusdafax 21:37, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support per Jusdafax. Thue | talk 22:38, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- oppose nothing happened as yet, the Al is a notorious talk shop.Lihaas (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose. Merely "calling for" something isn't very significant. The change in attitude is interesting, but whatever anybody says, a no-fly zone isn't going to happen unless the US is on board, because, if the media are correct, only the US have the money and aircraft to actually enforce it. I might support if a no-fly zone were actually declared (though I'm not sure what purpose it would serve) and enforced, but just calling for one isn't a significant development. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:09, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support as the timer's red, and the Arab world is shown to have turned against Lybia. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose. Wait for the actual implementation. EricLeb (Page | Talk) 01:17, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Atlantis
A U.S.-led research team may have finally located the lost city of Atlantis, the legendary metropolis believed swamped by a tsunami thousands of years ago in mud flats in southern Spain. - EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 19:49, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- This would be good for the April Fools In the News. Spongie555 (talk) 20:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
IEA next executive director
Former Dutch Minister of Economic Affairs, Maria van der Hoeven, is selected as the next Executive Director of the International Energy Agency.
Beagel (talk) 19:46, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Nuclear meltdown
The Japan nuclear plant entry needs an update. Officials refer to the situation by using the words nuclear meltdown. Nergaal (talk) 06:07, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Changed to nuclear meltdown earlier. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 08:10, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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- Not sure what you mean as "hype" but it seems a bit hostile. And 200,000 evacuations doesn't seem worth noting? Jusdafax 08:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- The current blurb is fine, we are not a news ticker and that mentality needs to change. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 08:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- You are entitled to your opinion of what ITN is, as am I , but I repeat that you seem a bit hostile, issuing orders like that. I also notice you ignore my point about the 200 K evacuations. Perhaps you don't feel it is of importance, but others may well. Jusdafax 08:44, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Look at you, taking the moral high ground. Good for you. But you, too, are ignoring my point. I'm not the only one who has raised concerns about people's views that ITN should be treated as a news ticker, and you are not helping that view. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 08:46, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- And as to the claims that I don't care about the evacuations, I'd advise him to look more closely at the original nomination below where my proposed blurb included the evacuations. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 09:04, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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- I think we need an update. The explosion turned out to be somewhat irrelevant, and should be removed. But it is new that there have already occured partial meltdowns at two plant at Fukushima I. And there are cooling problems at one more reactor at Fukushima I and 3 at Fukushima II . Mentioning the 200.000 people evacuated also seems fair. Thue | talk 08:54, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- I disagree that it was "somewhat irrelevant, and should be removed". Without the explosion there wouldn't even have been all the hype and fear of nuclear meltdown, so it's hardly been irrelevant. That's not a valid reason for pulling an item anyway, "irrelevance". Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 09:04, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Ignoring all but the actual ITN issues, I'll say that I do agree with SP that the explosion still has relevance to the blurb, as I see it. At last check there were two reactors in danger of or actually in "partial meltdown" and three others that had significant issues. Jusdafax 09:12, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- There is all the hype and fear about a nuclear meltdown, because there is a large probability that a partial nuclear meltdown has already occured, according to NYT. We don't need an explosion to feature a nuclear meltdown ITN! As for removing mention of the explosion, the explosion should of course still be mentioned in the article, but it is usual ITN practice to tweak the blurb to reflect the current situation, and since the explosion apparently was of little consequence other than immediate shock value, then we should consider blurb alternatives which focus on other aspects of the disaster. Thue | talk 09:18, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Anyway, the current blurb makes it sound like the explosion caused the possibility of a nuclear meltdown, which is not the case as far as I am aware. This should be fixed. Thue | talk 09:29, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- (several ec's) In an attempt to address this discussion's thrust, how about
Japanese officials order 200,000 evacuations due to concerns regarding possible partial nuclear meltdowns including the Fukushima I (pictured) nuclear accident, amid overall earthquake death toll estimates of over 10,000. Jusdafax 09:40, 13 March 2011 (UTC) To clarify: I propose replacing the current top blurb with this one, and propose keeping the current photo unless anyone has a better. Jusdafax 09:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps it would be better to hold this separate from general earthquake, and not mention the 10.000 dead estimate. And full meltdowns are still possible, so we should not only mention partial meltdowns. and I would call it one evacuation of 200.000 people, not "200.000 evacuations". Thue | talk 10:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- I've been on this a while now and it is dawn where I am. Agree with your last point, don't agree with the 10K death estimate being pulled but can live with it out, and the meltdown wording is better your way. I'm too toasted to write another version so if you or someone else would like to take a whack at it, I'd be obliged. What I really hope is that the Japanese get a handle on this situation and we can go back to arguing about more mundane matters. See you next time, Jusdafax 11:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support the blurb update. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 11:37, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Here is my proposed update. Note that not all the 200.000 are evacuated because of the 2 partial meltdowns at Fukushima I, which the previous suggested blurbs might make readers think. Thue | talk 14:21, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Please try to keep the blurbs to one sentence, I've never seen a two-sentence blurb used on ITN, and more generally, used in headlines. I don't think Japan needs to be linked. Neither does Fukushima I need to be linked twice to two different articles. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 14:36, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- I could add an "as", as is sometimes done ITN; but that seems so artificial. With regard to the double-linking of Fukushima I, that was the best place I could find to link. Suggestions welcome :). Thue | talk 14:49, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Blurb suggestion: Japanese officials order 200,000 evacuations due to concerns regarding possible partial nuclear meltdowns, amid overall earthquake death toll estimates of over 10,000. --Kslotte (talk) 16:27, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Or myabe leave out the earthquake and instead update the estimation into the current earthquake blurb. --Kslotte (talk) 16:30, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- New blurb suggestion: Japanese officials order 200,000 evacuations due to concerns regarding possible partial nuclear meltdowns at the Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant. --Kslotte (talk) 16:35, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- The posted (not by me) blurb is an excellent compromise. Formulating those blurbs is an art, which I do not excel in :). Thue | talk 21:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
5 people killed in Israel
A family of 5 was stabbed with a knife in the West Bank. Source ---Breawycker (talk to me!) Review Me! 01:46, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Not an article which would survive an AFD, imo. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 01:47, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Yes it will survive the Afd currently placed on it. Its to early to predict any notability in a weeks or month time. What we do know is that it is notable now.--BabbaQ (talk) 01:54, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- You took my comment out of context; I made the comment in the assumption that an article didn't already exist. Now that I know it does and it seems to meet notability criteria, I agree it will survive AFD. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 01:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Cheers;).--BabbaQ (talk) 01:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Well... it's a lot harder to kill several people with a knife rather than with a gun, bombs or via mother nature, hence the quite low casualty. Espoo shooting in Europe is an ITN item had a comparable number of casualties.. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 01:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- One thing could be that there has been alot of international condemnation for this one single event.--BabbaQ (talk) 02:13, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- I think the imagery adds to the story's appeal but the act is different in the context and timing of the conflict.--NortyNort (Holla) 07:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- OK. but how often do people go around celebrating savage murders ( of children) by distributing sweets ??--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:18, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose - at least at present, as I think the article in its current form has POV issues. Gatoclass (talk) 07:37, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- obvious oppose 5 dead is not newsworthy. should we then post all the occurences of dead in sudan or rapes in congo? this is not a news service. and per the other 2, in a conflict zone it doesnt stand out as much as otherwise (which even then would be dubious)Lihaas (talk) 22:53, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
March 12
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March 12, 2011 (2011-03-12) (Saturday)
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Law and crime
Politics
Sport
NFL owners locks out players
For the 1st time since 1987 there has been a work stoppage in the NFL. Source Baseball Watcher 17:10, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- This is Greek to me... 狐 FOX 17:57, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Read 2011 NFL season#Labor dispute. Baseball Watcher 18:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- This doesn't look important enough to be in the news section, especially considering what is going on at the moment, and the NY bus Crash isn't up yet as well... Not bein Bias against sports fans, I know how passionately you guys feel... ;-) also, very localised events are minor, this isn't international news, which say, the super-bowl generally is so it's not -all- localised. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 19:10, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, guys, can we please stop using "not as bad as Japan" as part of oppose reasons for items? Look at the item on its own merits. Sad as the earthquake is, the world keeps on turning and the template will need to be updated with other news going on in the world at the same time. -- tariqabjotu 21:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- @Baseball - can you sum it up in a few sentences? There's a heap of jargon in there. 狐 FOX 21:29, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- The important negative is that it's only about one country. It's significant that those wanting to include it have only called it the NFL, as if the rest of the world is expected to know what that abbreviation means. I do happen to know, but which N is it? All a bit narrow. And it's a game played professionally in only one country. Would those Americans who want it included think a similar event in the Irish Gaelic Football competition should be "In the news" ? HiLo48 (talk) 21:34, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- There are 2 GAA items at ITNR, perhaps unsurprisingly, as compared to American football's one. We'd get really more than enough coverage of the uber niche GAA-organized events.–HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 00:56, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support - This is going to affect millions of people, and not just in the USA, as American football has fans all over the world. Indeed, NFL games are held in countries from Japan to England. Jusdafax 21:41, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- how does it affect anyone if there is no ongoing season? oppose since off season lockout is just not big enough. we can post if this lockout stops the season from starting -- Ashish-g55 22:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- This ] LA Times article explains in detail why this is a notable news story, in my view. Jusdafax 00:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- How does that article explain why it is notable? I asked above, would you accept a similar story about the GAA as globally newsworthy? (Nobody answered.) What about the AFL? It's one sporting competition in one country. Needs a strong case to make it globally important. HiLo48 (talk) 01:38, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- If the Japanese make an anime about Gaelic sports or Aussie rules football, then we'd talk. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 01:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Why is global importance essential? More than half the audience lives in the US where NFL is popular, and there are plenty of vastly less notable sports on WP:ITN. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 01:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, there's that argument that says "Anything that happens in the USA is more important than anything that happens anywhere else because the USA is big." If that is a valid argument, those of us not from the USA might as well stop being part of the Misplaced Pages project now. :-( One could also argue that the audience impact is less important than that on the players. (Which is obviously true.) In that case, the impact in GAA, AFL and NFL would be similar. HiLo48 (talk) 01:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- I guess no one's arguing about significance (probably except you). Just interest. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 01:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- And why limit to Australia and Ireland? Nigeria, the Philippines, and India all have more English speakers singly than Australia and Ireland combined. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 02:40, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, I so hate having to explain my clever contributions here.... It's nothing to do with English speakers. Australia and Ireland both have equally insular, home-grown, professional football codes, just like NFL. HiLo48 (talk) 02:47, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- While that may be true the US is several times bigger economically, politically and population-wise than Ireland and Australia combined. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 10:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Of course it bloody well is, but did you actually read anything more than the post that you just responded to? Please look 5 posts up at my 01:52 post. Why do we bother to call this a global encyclopaedia? Hey everyone! Meet Misplaced Pages, the All-American Encyclopedia. HiLo48 (talk) 10:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- There's no need to be quite so hyperbolic. If this was the French Misplaced Pages I'm sure there would be more stories on France and Quebec, than you might otherwise expect if those countries didn't speak French. There is no need to complain just because something is of interest to Americans. Its not as if we don't post events that occur outside the US. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 10:45, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- You're not getting this, are you? What does French Misplaced Pages have to do with it? Or maybe you're unaware that Australians speak English. I come to these pages hoping to have intelligent conversation, then find people fail to comprehend simple facts, and don't read what others post. I'm giving up. HiLo48 (talk) 10:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Of course I know that the Australians speak English... -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 11:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- And someone who agrees with you does it, despite teh fact that you gave no reasons at all! All very nice. Hides a lot of tricky questions for your side of the argument, doesn't it? You don't win debates by removing an opponent's arguments. Very unethical! How about you play nicer than that? HiLo48 (talk) 21:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose niche sport, niche news item, not really of any interest outside some folks in the US. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:44, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose The (American) football season doesn't even start for what, another six months? Five? If they announce that they are canceling the season, we can think about putting a blurb up then. NW (Talk) 21:46, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose per NuclearWarfare...but while noting I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with Rambling Man's rationale for opposing. Ks0stm 22:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose per Ks0stm.--Chaser (talk) 22:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose Per the above opposes. Significant stories involving the worlds most popular sport, Soccer, are not included here for instance. Take everything into proportion, American football does not have a major following outside the US, only Baseball does in reality (Japan, Korea being two of the main ones that I know)@Tariqabjotu events occurring in Japan are still unfolding, and that's why I made that comment. Surely they take presidency in the news section. Thanks. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 23:02, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Strong wait until they cancel at least part of the season. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 00:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Wait per HTD, but its hardly a niche sport, that reeks of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 01:30, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Wait per NW and Ks0stm.--NortyNort (Holla) 02:11, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Comment. Do you we really have to go through this again and again? The NFL (or at least the Super Bowl) has enough viewership inside and outside of the US to be considered notable. I, and many other people outside the US -- for some reason -- hate the game, but that does not change the fact that it is a popular game. This isn't the point of the nomination; is the lockout notable enough? Well, we will have to wait to know, because it's much too early to tell. EricLeb (Page | Talk) 02:38, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Wait, What? ITN items are now disqualified (according to some folks) because it's of interest only to Americans? Okie dokie. RxS (talk) 04:51, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Cut the sarcasm and get with the discussion. As I have now asked three times, with no sensible response, would you accept a similar story about the GAA as globally newsworthy? What about the AFL? And please don't ignore me again. Your response may well shape policy here. HiLo48 (talk) 04:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- I've been pushing for a more inclusive attitude here for weeks. See for example. Post a request for AFL and if the article is up to par I'd support in a heartbeat. RxS (talk) 05:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, and no one is saying Anything that happens in the USA is more important than anything that happens anywhere else because the USA is big. That's wildly off the mark, it's an argument that's only occuring in your own mind. RxS (talk) 05:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Stop avoiding the question. I said "a similar story". That means it is of the same quality as the one being considered here. Just answer the question! HiLo48 (talk) 05:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- If the AFL players went on strike I'd be happy to support. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 10:45, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Screw the AFL, of course that'll be added w/ overwhelming support since it's not an American sporting item. U.S.-centric items do get added, but only after contentious discussion, when a drive-by admin adds it, then further contentious discussion happens and no one has the balls to remove it (actually, someone may have the balls but it will be re-added again, and we're back to square one). What I'd want to know if some "insular, home-grown" sporting leagues from non-Caucasian dominated countries will get in. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 12:31, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Just to clarify my position, I'm not "disqualifying" this, but in my country, this has barely registered. It's made it onto the "Other sports" section of the BBC after the Six Nations rugby, World Cup Cricket, FA Cup matches, Formula One testing, etc. It hasn't even made the sports main page of The Daily Telegraph (UK), The Independent (UK). It did make it as fourth article (after rugby, ski-ing and French soccer) on Le Monde (France), but nothing on the Sydney Morning Herald (Australia), Das Bild (Germany), El Pais (Spain), The Straits Times (Singapore), Pravda (Russia), China Daily (China), The Jakarta Post (Indonesia) but was about 15th story on La Repubblica (Italy). I'm just saying it's evidently not that significant to a large proportion of the world. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:30, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
My understanding is that there's still a fairly good chance that the dispute will be resolved without affecting the NFL season (at least to the point of cancelling games). I'd say as long as this is an off-season dispute with no impact on the actual season, I !vote oppose. Also, looking at ESPN it's not even the top headline there.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Not much enough reason to expect the opinions of some people here will change despite cancellation of at least a part of the season. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 14:05, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
NYC bus crash kills 13
BBC
- Not the kind of story I'd normally propose for adding to ITN but it's killed a considerable number of people in a major city, it's not something that really happens much. I'm unsure as to whether or not an article would survive AFD, and if one has even been created, but it's worth considering. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 14:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Strong support - 2011 New York City bus crash - EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 15:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- That isn't even a rationale for supporting. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 15:10, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Well, there is no article, as a prerequisite. Still, with the disaster in Japan this is a minor accident (at this moment, we have three items where more people were killed on ITN). So, I'll oppose here. --Tone 16:01, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Agree with Tone, with all due respect to the souls in NYC. Jusdafax 16:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- That second sentence has to be among the worst oppose excuses I have ever heard. I'm not necessarily saying this should go onto ITN, but if there's a reason it shouldn't, that shouldn't be it. By that logic, we may not have any otherwise notable event on ITN where only a dozen people are killed because... well... it's not as bad as Japan. This is basically the ITN equivalent of saying, "stop frowning about losing your job... it's not as bad as what's happening in Japan". -- tariqabjotu 21:11, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree with User:Tariqabjotu that we can't measure everything by the disasters in Japan. But bus crashes are still too common to feature ITN, as can be seen from a google news search . For example and were bus crashes in the last 3 days, both with more fatalities than the NY crash. Thue | talk 21:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- I think bus crashes with multiple fatalities are rarer in New York than they are in Southern Nigeria and North West China ;) -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 01:29, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
It is only 130 km long, and due to the earthquake the opening ceremonies have been cancelled (though the trains are running) and it would be the third Japan story on the front page, but it is a little different from what we usually post. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 08:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Wait normally I would probably have supported, but just like the opening ceremonies would have seemed misplaced to the Japanese, this item would feel misplaced along the other items on ITN about earthquakes, tsunamies, and nuclear meltdown. I suggest we post it when the Japanese hold the postponed opening ceremony. Thue | talk 10:20, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Radioactive material leaked from Japan's nuclear reactors
- Article: Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant
- Streaming links: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2
Nuclear meltdown is feared but not necessary certain. However, nuclear material was released to allow the pressure in at least one of the reactors to go down. Release of nuclear material is even rarer than large earthquakes so I think this should be posted independently. , , . Nergaal (talk) 08:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
How about Radioactive leaks around the Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant are detected amidst worries of a nuclear meltdown, causing thousands of evacuations. I think the evacuations are important. Jusdafax 09:05, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Agree. I'm looking at Reuters at the moment. Let's get a blurb. Jusdafax 09:34, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- I like this one - I will posts it to ITN soon if nobody disagrees. Thue | talk 09:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- I don't believe the qualifier "massive" is necessary in the blurb. How about Fears of a nuclear meltdown at the Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant grow following an explosion, as thousands of people are evacuated from the area. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 09:53, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- I posted a trimmed-down version. Thue | talk 10:03, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Further pictures from the BBC confirm this is truly a major explosion. No confirmation about the containment building yet, but if that was what blew, this story went from disaster to mega-disaster. Again, I'm not seeing confirmation that it is a meltdown and we need that first; hence my wording is "raises fears." Jusdafax 09:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- And mine is "Fears grow". The difference is I've tried not to describe the explosion as "massive" because that's not our business to judge, we just need to get across that there's been an explosion. Everyone needs to keep their feelings and opinions out of this. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 09:58, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- The main question is what type of building has blown. Before we know that, wouldn't any blurp be premature? It might be useful to wait half an hour or so... I am not familiar with this process at all, so just my 2c... L.tak (talk) 09:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Explosion has occurred, fears are high, evacuations are happening. What is the problem with posting the last proposed blurb? It only contains information that is confirmed. Nergaal (talk) 09:58, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Agree with Nergaal. By the way, the main page at BBC now using word "massive" for the explosion. As for waiting, this wording will do for now, it is all sourced and very newsworthy. Either my blurb or Strange Passerby's is fine at this point in my view. Jusdafax 10:02, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- And the counter is red. Nergaal (talk) 10:04, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Indeed, that seems to be a rel. safe assumption. Agree with posting... L.tak (talk) 10:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Radiation now confirmed leaking by Japanese officials per Reuters . Jusdafax 10:10, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Reuters blurb now reports that the evacuation zone is increased to 20 km. Jusdafax 10:21, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Again, a very good suggestion Nergaal. Admin, please update photo. Jusdafax 10:41, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Do people agree about this? IMO it is a very poor picture, with very little but a forrested hill being visible. A picture would be nice, but IMO this one isn't it. Thue | talk 10:45, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed. Too low-resolution as well. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 10:48, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Fine, this 1975 picture although possibly partially dated is very clear: File:Fukushima I NPP 1975.jpg. The building that exploded is the right one in the set of four (left bottom corner). Nergaal (talk) 10:50, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- The overhead shot shows the entire complex. Either is fine using (pictured) in the blurb. Jusdafax 10:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- I updated the image ITN. Thue | talk 11:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- It looks like the entire building exploded, judging from the video . Thue | talk 10:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Meltdown is confirmed according to this. Maybe the phrasing is a little too iffy, but would keep eye out for more reports. 75.57.242.120 (talk) 11:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Not according to the Japanese government quoted by the BBC: "Explosion at Fukushima nuclear power plant not believed to have seriously damaged reactor itself, officials say". Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 11:58, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Right, the Japanese government says no meltdown according to the BBC. By the way, the current blurb, in which the word "meltdown" is now out, is now misphrased. "... a radioactive contamination." is wrong; the word "a" should be taken out. Jusdafax 15:58, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, can someone please delete the superfluous 'a'? μηδείς (talk) 16:20, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Here again I am in agreement with Nergaal. I am seeing the word 'meltdown' in numerous headlines. It is the main thing they are trying to prevent at more than one reactor. Another thing I think that bears mention is the evacuations in the six figures and the fact that at least two reactors are in trouble and releasing radiation. Jusdafax 04:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC) UPDATE: Read this latest from the Washington Post... It is looking very bad, and it seems this could require a complete rewrite of the current blurb or an all new one. Jusdafax 04:53, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
March 11
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March 11, 2011 (2011-03-11) (Friday)
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- 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami
- A 9.0 magnitude earthquake hits offshore of Japan's Miyagi prefecture, producing tsunamis as high as 10 meters near the epicenter and reaching land throughout the Pacific ocean. (Japan Times) (Canadian Press via Google News), (AP via ABC News America)
- At least 1000 people have died in the earthquake and tsunami.(LA Times)
- The Sendai Airport, located near Sendai in the Miyagi Prefecture, is damaged by the earthquake, and is hit by tsunami waves up to 15 meters (50 feet). (BBC) (The Aviation Herald) (Newsfeed via Time)
- The United States Geological Survey estimates that it is the fifth strongest earthquake since 1900. (USGS)
- Japanese television shows footage of flooding along Japan's northeastern coast. (AP via New York Times)
- A tsunami warning is also issued for Russia, Taiwan, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea and the United States. (Market Watch), (Oregon Live)
- The Government of Japan evacuates thousands of residents living near the Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant following a radiation leak. (New York Times)
- The cooling system at the Onagawa Nuclear Power Plant also experiences problems. (RT)
- The Governor of California Jerry Brown declares a state of emergency in Del Norte, Humboldt, San Mateo and Santa Cruz counties. (LA Times)
- The Governor of Oklahoma, Mary Fallin, declares a state of emergency in all 77 counties due to wildfires burning out of control in that state and Colorado. (CNN)
- A bus plunges into a ravine in the Xinjiang region in western China killing at least 16 people and with 24 people injured. (AP via MSNBC)
- Mount Karangetang erupts in Sulawesi, Indonesia, forcing local evacuations. (The Hindu)
Law and crime
Politics
UNASUR Treaty enters into force
- Comment The article needs an update. There is also no information about the ratification of the treaty by Brazil and Bolivia, while the map shows only Brazil with no ratification.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- support the updated content is sufficient, in the past weve posted such updates.Lihaas (talk) 13:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support once the article is updated. But post soon rather than waiting for perfection. Thue | talk 06:34, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support quick post per Thue. Rehman 06:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe
Magnitude 8.9 quake strikes off the coast of Japan triggering a 10-metre high tsunami. Rehman 06:43, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- MAXIMUM SUPPORT - Deadliest tsunami after 2004 - EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 07:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- "Deadliest"? I haven't seen a single casualty reported yet. Nanobear (talk) 07:18, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Wish granted now? Belated support btw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.255.9.129 (talk) 16:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- The deadliest quake after 2004 is still the 2010 Haiti one, not this. Diego Grez (talk) 03:29, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Deadliest tsunami NOT earthquake. - EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 10:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME!?! :P I don't care either way, but you said earthquake. And you can't know whether it is or not the deadliest tsunami since 2004 either right now. Diego Grez (talk) 18:51, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Huh? He did not say earthquake. -- tariqabjotu 21:19, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Uh, yes */me moronic*. Is it just me, or the ITN box is larger than usual? Diego Grez (talk) 21:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support. Although no casualty figures reported yet. Japan is used to earthquakes, so damage and deaths may be low, but this should still be notable because of its magnitude. Nanobear (talk) 07:18, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Strong Support Top ten earthquake in terms of strength should certainly be posted. Truthsort (talk) 07:22, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support this is a big one, much more to follow for sure.--NortyNort (Holla) 07:25, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- My suggestion, with links:
- The "many injuries" is based on , and the tsunami height is based on . Thue | talk 07:31, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- If one or two people would second my suggested text, then I will use my vaunted admin status to post it :). Thue | talk 07:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Looks fine. There is also the Irish Taoiseach story a bit further down to post as well and save a trip over to ANI ;). -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support obviously an 8.9 earthquake is newsworthy even if (hopefully) there are no casualties. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 07:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Strong Support An 8.9 Earthquake is an auto-add for ITN,--King Bedford I 07:41, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support per Bedford, marking as the article has been updated. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:43, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support This is a huge quake. – SMasters (talk) 07:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Posted T. Canens (talk) 07:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Strong Support News outlets worldwide (e.g. Yahoo, CNN, BBC) are already reporting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.166.174.128 (talk) 08:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Please revise the 4 meter to 10 meters. The article has been updated. – SMasters (talk) 08:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - This will need several updates as the casualties come in. Shocking pictures. Jusdafax 08:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- OK, here is the first WP:RS with a death toll , but there is no doubt it will rise quickly. Poor souls. Jusdafax 09:30, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Al Jazeera has reported 19 as of now, and it has been updated in the article. I suggest not putting this in ITN for now, as unfortunately, this number is set to rise and change constantly. – SMasters (talk) 09:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- I agree that we don't need to update the death toll everytime we get an uptick, but the blurb should read "many injuries and deaths" to be accurate. Jusdafax 09:47, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree with you. – SMasters (talk) 09:49, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Could an admin see to this asap? The blurb gives the impression only injuries have occured, which is now clearly not the case. Jusdafax 09:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC) Never mind it is done, thanks. Jusdafax 09:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- MSNBC is reporting there is "a state of nuclear emergency declared" at this time, but no radiation leaks reported. Story may need further updates regarding this. Jusdafax 12:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Belated Support. Quite big then. The article states: "The magnitude of 8.9 made it the largest earthquake to hit Japan in recorded history and the seventh largest in the world since records began." The other six are from 1700, 1868, 1952, 1960, 1964 and 2004 and it is above last year's earthquake in Chile. Also http://www.google.com home page now states: "Tsunami Alert for New Zealand, the Philippines, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Hawaii, and others. Waves expected over the next few hours, caused by 8.9 earthquake in Japan". --candle•wicke 14:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Belated Support. Saw the images when I woke up this morning. Tsunami warnings all over the place... this is messed up. Newest estimate I've seen is 200-300 deaths in north-eastern Japan by a witness police. EricLeb (Page | Talk) 15:40, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- OK, radiation leaks are confirmed and my worst fears are coming true, with thousands being evacuated because of issues with Japan's nuke plants the time has come to take note of this fact in the blurb, in my opinion. Bad as it is, this story is getting worse. Jusdafax 00:38, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Until a Japanese source confirms leaks, I think we should be cautious on claiming that. Should focus on mentioning the 10 km exclusion radius around the plants as a precaution, rather than claim (maybe erroneously) that they're leaking. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 01:33, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Now it's two plants that have issues and the source about the radiation seems solid: "In a troubling announcement, Japan Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency official Ryohei Shiomi said a monitoring device outside the plant detected radiation that is eight times higher than normal." Major evacuations and officials admitting release of radiation is worth a mention, in my view. Jusdafax 02:16, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Can we get something from this story as the image, and move off the Libyan flag? I know they're both big stories, but this is the one dominating the moment, as it were. Radagast (talk) 01:37, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Agree with Radagast above. Rehman 03:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support I agree as well. I know there was a potential copyvio pic earlier. Why not put the wave height pic up instead? Definitely not the Libyan flag, for now. – SMasters (talk) 03:53, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- A picture would be good. We may have to wait for some amateur material to become available. But I'm a bit concerned with the seeming "I'm sick of Libya" attitude on display here? Is there some sort of racism at play? HiLo48 (talk) 03:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Woah, let's not throw around the 'r' word! WP:AGF. I think it's just a belief that the Japan quake is important enough. Also, I'm not a huge fan of using flags as the image myself (of any country). They don't say very much. Would it be feasible to use a map of Japan showing the quake location?--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Momentarily this is the best I could find @ Commons Diego Grez (talk) 04:44, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- I also agree that a good Japan disaster photo would be a plus. Jusdafax 04:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Didn't mean to offend anyone with the racism suggestion, but it would help if people gave sensible reasons when they posted opinions. It's hard to agree with "move off the Libyan flag" when no reason is given. I had to guess. Is it my fault if I guessed wrong? HiLo48 (talk) 04:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- It's a thread on the Japanese quake, so the reason was pretty self-apparent.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:37, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it is your fault. Your instinct was to guess a nefarious motive, especially after people said things along the lines of "this is the dominating story". The suggestion was just ridiculous. -- tariqabjotu 05:40, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Absolute rubbish. People gave opinions without reasons. Where is the reason in "Can we get something from this story as the image, and move off the Libyan flag?" This all sounds like the in-gang of regular editors, who are familiar with each others' style, bullying the newcomer. Happens a lot on Misplaced Pages. I can handle the bullying, and I know you won't be able to agree with me publicly, but do think about what the words that are written here actually say. HiLo48 (talk) 06:41, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Respectfully suggest all sides chill out. We have bigger fish to fry. Jusdafax 08:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- It has nothing to do with race. There was a picture there about the Japan quake and it was removed because of potential copyvio. The Libyan story won't go away soon, but this is the lead story globally at the moment. – SMasters (talk) 09:19, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
iPad 2 released today
The iPad 2 is released in the US today. Here is a source Baseball Watcher 03:03, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Note also Misplaced Pages:In_the_news/Candidates/March_2011#iPad_2. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 03:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Comment This will be on DYK soon as well.--NortyNort (Holla) 03:26, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Comment As I've gone on about this before, this particular article is NOT a GA, iPad is and they are separate articles. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:46, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support From WP:ITN: "The In the news (ITN) section on the main page serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest." - while I opposed it last time, people have made good arguments for this product launch elsewhere and I don't feel it is possible to deny that this has wide interest, so I think we should post it. You could argue there's a slippery slope, but ultimately we can tweak the rules to avoid that further down the line.
- I also think this launch isn't just hype, and this product is highly likely to sell very well this year. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:46, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Well we need proof from RS of that, because we can't predict that. EricLeb (Page | Talk) 18:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- If that isn't achievable I'd be surprised. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose If it sells like hotcakes, then maybe. Otherwise, I'm not sure what the news is. The announcement would have been a better time to post this. Makeemlighter (talk) 09:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose No need for spamming the main page with what would be essentially an advertisement. No major Technological innovations, or "firsts" or records are associated with this product. The Resident Anthropologist (Talk / contribs) 15:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose of course it's going to sell like hotcakes--so what. 75.57.242.120 (talk) 11:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose just another incremental product release. Thue | talk 13:16, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
March 10
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March 10, 2011 (2011-03-10) (Thursday)
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- More than 30 people in and around the US city of Baltimore, Maryland, are arrested on drugs charges, including actress Felicia Pearson from television series The Wire. (The Washington Post)
- A Federal grand jury indicts eleven members of a firearms trafficking ring based in Columbus, New Mexico including the mayor and police chief. (Las Cruces Sun News)
- In the House of Commons of the United Kingdom, a Liberal Democrat member disclosed, with the protection of parliamentary privilege, the fact that the former chief executive of Royal Bank of Scotland has obtained an injunction banning the publication of information about him, even the simple identification of this individual, Fred Goodwin, as a banker. (Telegraph)
Politics
First Lupus treatment approved by FDA (in 50 years)
This might be a long shot, but the condition affects 5 mil ppl worldwide, and it just got the first drug approved. Nergaal (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Actually it is the first in 50 years: . Nergaal (talk) 19:03, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support we don't post many medicine stories and this one seems notable. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:53, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support. The article on the drug Belimumab needs just a bit of polishing. Btw, this article says it is the "First New Lupus Drug in 50 Years", not the first ever. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:04, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Query Is this a treatment that reduces the symptoms or one that will be a de-facto cure thats what I am unclear about... The Resident Anthropologist (Talk / contribs) 20:04, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support once the article's uses section is touched up a bit. Pretty monumental news in the world of medicine. Ks0stm 20:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- That's better, thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support - Important and notable. Jusdafax 21:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Paris recognises Libyan opposition
France has become the first nation to recognise the Libyan opposition in Benghazi as the country's legitimate administration. I think that's a pretty big development and probably worth putting on ITN. Suggest something along the lines of "France becomes the first nation to recognise anti-Gaddafi forces as the legitimate government in Libya amidst a continued uprising." Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 13:08, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support a rather notable development, however, would this already be "covered" by the sticky link that was added a few days ago? --PlasmaTwa2 13:30, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say so; we still posted an Egypt-related update that's still in the template right now. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 13:38, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support, major news. --Golbez (talk) 15:13, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support. AFAIK, this is a pretty rare move in any circumstance and may set off a chain of similar actions by other nations. EricLeb (Page | Talk) 18:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- The article 2011 Libyan uprising is updated. Any objections? --BorgQueen (talk) 18:25, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support first recognition of a government is significant (and before anyone compares this to my oppose below the Libyan opposition control significant territory and people and their government has been recognised). -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:36, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Post-post support. Huge news. Titoxd 18:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Another attack in Pakistan kills 36. Mention: On the top page we have a attack with only 25 deaths.- EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 11:52, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Suggest merging with current blurb to something like "More than 50 people die in bomb attacks in Faisalabad and Peshawar in Pakistan." However, this article requires significant expansion before this can be done. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 11:57, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- The article is very short. Expansion needed first. --Tone 17:09, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support once the article is expanded. I might have some time to do some updating myself. EricLeb (Page | Talk) 18:16, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support. This one obviously has led to more deaths than the one on the Main Page. --candle•wicke 22:27, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- I've expanded it a bit, only borderline acceptable for MP right now IMO. C628 (talk) 23:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Dalai Lama
The 14th Dalai Lama announces plans to retire as the head of the Tibetan exile movement. - EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 08:45, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Suggested blurb:"The Dalai Lama has stepped down as the political leader of the Tibetan government in exile." – SMasters (talk) 09:49, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose sub national election for a minor province or unrecognised nation state at best. Unrecognised minor provincial government at worst (and which frankly makes more sense given the history). Even for the best provinces (e.g. california) we don't generally post this level of stuff and this is far less notable than Californias election. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 10:47, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Your reasoning makes little sense. How is the Dalai Lama's government in exile remotely comparable to elections in California?? Nightw 11:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- if you believe Tibet is a province of China, then this is either the legitimate tibetan provincial government or it's the unrecognised provincial government. Thus its similar to California. If you believe Tibet is not a province of China then they are the government of an entirely unrecognised country which they don't even de-facto control. Thus it's not worthy again. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 11:34, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- And you're just overlooking the fact that this is the world's best-known government in exile? Nightw 12:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- More than just a government in exile. This is a head of a major religion announcing that the religion will give up all temporal power. Hence just the announcement in itself is extraordinary enough to be notable. Thue | talk 15:03, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- He's keeping his religious position as far as I am aware. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:17, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- I don't understand your logic. You were so gung-ho about posting Charlie Sheen, but you don't support this? I am so, so confused. -- tariqabjotu 17:34, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Dalai Lama not a rehab loving celebrity? -- Ashish-g55 17:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Because he isn't a notable politician as he doesn't rule anyone - even at a provincial level - and he's not stepping down from his religious position (which would be notable). Now sure he's a celebrity, so if people want to support this due to his celebrity status please ignore my oppose !vote. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:16, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- To expand a little more Charlie Sheen's thing is also only really notable because he was sacked, if he'd decided to leave at the end of the season, I don't think that would be ITN worthy - which would be the equivalence in my view to this decision. -- Eraserhead1 <talk>
- Oppose: If and when he steps down, of course it'll doubtless be ITN-worthy. Annoucing plans to do something, however notable, doesn't actually affect anything and we don't normally post items until an event actually takes place. Nightw 11:14, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- This is a head of a major religion, who will give up his temporal power. Even just the announcement in itself is extraordinary enough to have some effect. Thue | talk 15:03, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Err, it's not if an when... I would have waited. He has stepped down. – SMasters (talk) 16:04, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- "If and when he steps down, of course it'll doubtless be ITN-worthy." Dalai Lama Quits As Tibetan Political Leader. So, I guess you are supporting then? – SMasters (talk) 16:10, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- If the Dali Lama steps down does it meet our usual standards for celebrity postings? As clearly the Dali Lama isn't a notable politician. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 13:09, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Umm, what? Of course the Dalai Lama is notable as a politican. Thue | talk 15:04, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Well if its possible to be a notable politician when you rule over noone, and control 0km of territory - even on a de-facto basis and your government is recognised by 0 other governments, then sure. But then surely the mayor of London, or if you want to argue he has political power because he meets important people, someone like Bono or Bob Geldof, are at least equally notable politicians. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:16, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- This is beginning to look like trolling to me. The Dalai Lama (note spelling) is not a "celebrity" in the generally understood sense of the word, and to describe as such appears deliberately provocative. 87.115.50.126 (talk) 23:50, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- No, its just that I have a different point of view. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 00:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Support Clearly a big deal even though it doesn't fit into any existing category. We can use a little comon sense here. The only question is if it should be posted now or when he actually retires. I'd lean toward waiting I guess (though to be honest there's no reason not to do both). RxS (talk) 13:32, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Strongest Possible Support: I frankly don't understand whay there is any opposition to this at all. The Dalai Lama is one of the few men in the world who is a household name on every continent... like the pope. This is bigger news than any story on the front page right now or for a while. This Should Be Posted Already. Cwill151 (talk) 16:35, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Wait. This will actually be notable when he retires. --Tone 17:09, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Wait I oppose posting till this act is offically done. However Strongest possible support once it occurs. The Resident Anthropologist (Talk / contribs) 17:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Wait for the Monday announcement. Yes this is a big deal, but it's a little more hitting once it actually occurs. EricLeb (Page | Talk) 18:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Comment there hasn't yet been any update, I presume 14th Dalai Lama would be the appropriate article. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:00, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Earthquake with casualties in China. - EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 07:46, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- That's a two sentence article. – SMasters (talk) 07:56, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- An article covering an event that happened only a few hours earlier... half of the world was sleeping when it happened, so give it some time. EricLeb (Page | Talk) 18:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- The article is very short. Expansion needed first. --Tone 17:09, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Updated and expanded. Also Support. EricLeb (Page | Talk) 19:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Further expanded, also Support and now marking ready. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:55, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
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