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Evolution/JBS

Do I understand correctly that you have a ban on topics related to evolution/creationism? The John Birch Society has a position on the issue. Topic bans are construed broadly, so it'd be best if you avoided articles about organizations which espouse views on the topic.   Will Beback  talk  00:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

The Downlink: Issue 1

 
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    Your source for news on WikiProject Spaceflight Issue 1, January 2011  
 
Welcome to The Downlink · Project News · News from Orbit · Article News · Space Stations and the Push for Featured Topics · Salyut 2
Welcome to The Downlink
Welcome to the first full issue of The Downlink, a new monthly newsletter intended to inform members of WikiProject Spaceflight about the latest developments in the project and its articles. Below you will find information about happenings within the project, our recognised content, spaceflight in the news and events needing to be covered in articles. You will also find an editorial about the first concerted effort to develop featured topics related to spaceflight, and an article in need of your help and improvements.

Project News will provide details of discussions about and changes in the organisation and structure of the project, newly recognised content, and changes in membership. News from Orbit will summarise spaceflight news and upcoming events, and list suggestions for articles in need of updating as a result. Article News will give details of requests for assistance within articles, and discussions regarding content.

All members of WikiProject Spaceflight are invited to contribute any content that they would like to see in the newsletter, and we would particularly welcome the submission of editorials, or an article about an area of spaceflight which you are working on, or particularly interested in. Please see The Downlink page for more details.

Project News

A new working group has been formed. The space stations working group is expected to work towards creating Featured topics related to space stations. It currently has three members.

Discussion within the project is still dominated by the reorganisation proposals. A discussion over the formation and roles of working groups and task forces has led to some clarification regarding working groups, however the roles of the task forces remain vague, and several proposals to abolish them have surfaced. The Human Spaceflight to-do list has been merged into the main project to-do list, with the combined list currently located on the Tasks page of the Spaceflight portal.

A discussion regarding opening relations with the Aerospace biography task force of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Aviation was held, but no conclusions were reached. The Article Alerts bot has resumed operation, and a problem with the information the bot had been delivering was discussed and resolved.

New assessment criteria for importance and quality have been implemented, and refinements continue to be made to the importance scale. The scope of the project was redefined to exclude astronomical objects explicitly. Although A-class criteria have been defined, a review process is yet to be discussed or implemented.

Colds7ream conducted an analysis of open tasks related to the reorganisation which four major issues remain unresolved: Discussion concerning the existence and roles of task forces within the project; recruitment of new editors; updating guidelines and whether the project or the task forces should be responsible for maintaining them; and the continued existence of the Human spaceflight portal six weeks after consensus was reached to abolish it.

Discussion about the structure of the project is ongoing, with several proposals currently on the table. One proposal calls for the abolition of task forces in favour of increased emphasis on working groups, whilst another calls for the task forces to become a list of topics. The idea of a formal collaboration system has been suggested, however opposition has been raised.

One of the main open tasks at the moment is replacing the older {{WikiProject Space}} and {{WikiProject Human spaceflight}} banners with the new {{WikiProject Spaceflight}} banner. Articles which need to be retagged are currently listed in Category:WikiProject Spaceflight articles using deprecated project tags. ChiZeroOne is doing a very good job replacing them, but as of the morning of 31 December, there are still 1,424 left to be converted. Additionally, the implementation of a new B-class checklist built into the template has necessitated the reassessment of former B-class articles, which the template has automatically classified as C-class.

News from Orbit
On 3 December, USA-212, the first X-37B, landed at Vandenberg Air Force Base after a successful mission. On 5 December Proton-M with a Blok DM-03 upper stage failed to place three Glonass-M satellites into orbit, the first of three failures in less than forty eight hours. The NanoSail-D2 spacecraft was supposed to have been ejected from FASTSAT in the early hours of the next morning, however it does not appear to have separated. Finally the Akatsuki spacecraft failed to enter orbit around Venus in the evening of 6 December. The Proton launch was the maiden flight of the Blok DM-03, which does not currently have an article.

On 8 December the Dragon C1 demonstration mission was conducted, with the SpaceX Dragon making a little under two orbits of the Earth on its maiden flight, before landing in the Pacific Ocean to complete a successful mission. The Falcon 9 rocket which launched the Dragon spacecraft also deployed eight CubeSats: SMDC-ONE 1, QbX-1, QbX-2, Perseus 000, Perseus 001, Perseus 002, Perseus 003 and Mayflower. The CubeSats do not currently have articles.

On 15 December, a Soyuz-FG launched Soyuz TMA-20 to the International Space Station, carrying three members of the Expedition 26 crew. It docked two days later. The Soyuz TMA-20 article is currently short, and could use improvements to bring it up to the same level as articles for US manned spaceflights. On 17 December, a Long March 3A launched Compass-IGSO2. There is currently no article for this satellite.

17 December saw Intelsat regain control of the Galaxy 15 satellite, which had been out of control since a malfunction in April. The Galaxy 15 article is in need of serious cleanup and a good copyedit. On 25 December a GSLV Mk.I failed to place GSAT-5P into orbit. A Proton-M with a Briz-M upper stage successfully launched KA-SAT on 26 December. Barring any suborbital launches at the end of the month which have not yet been announced (a NASA Black Brant was scheduled for December but does not appear to have flown), 2010 in spaceflight concluded on 29 December when an Ariane 5ECA launched the Hispasat-1E and Koreasat 6 spacecraft. These do not currently have articles.

Four launches are currently scheduled to occur in January 2011. A Delta IV Heavy is expected to launch NRO L-49 on 17 January. The satellite is expected to be an Improved Crystal electro-optical imaging spacecraft. Two launches are planned for 20 January, with Kounotori 2, the second H-II Transfer Vehicle, being launched by an H-IIB, and the Zenit-3F making its maiden flight to deploy Elektro-L No.1, the first Russian geostationary weather satellite to be launched since 1994. On 28 January Progress M-09M will be launched by a Soyuz-U. 28 January will also be the twenty-fifth anniversary of the loss of the Space Shuttle Challenger on mission STS-51-L.

Article News

It was requested that the article Walter Haeussermann be expanded. Haeussermann, a member of the von Braun rocket group, died on 8 December. Although the article has been updated following his death, a user requested that more information about the engineer be added. Another user requested that the articles Commercial Space Launch Act and Launch Services Purchase Act be created, to cover laws of the United States concerning spaceflight.

Articles related to methods of taking-off and landing were discussed. The term VTVL currently has an article whilst VTHL and HTHL do not. It was suggested that the existing article should be merged, and each term be covered by the article for the equivalent aviation term, however some distinction between use in the fields of aviation and spaceflight should remain.

Concern was raised that a large scale deletion request could cause many images to be lost from articles, help was requested to investigate whether any of the images were not subject to copyright, or if they were then whether they could be uploaded to the English Misplaced Pages under a claim of fair use.

Concerns were raised about a large amount of content in the newly-created article deorbit of Mir duplicating existing content in existing Good Article Progress M1-5. A proposal to merge deorbit of Mir into Progress M1-5 was made, however objections were raised, and discussion has since stalled without reaching a consensus. It has also been requested that the article Mir be copyedited.

The existence of separate categories for "spaceflight" and "space exploration" has been questioned, with a suggestion that some of the exploration categories, including Category:Space exploration iteslf, should be merged into their spaceflight counterparts.

Missile Range Instrumentation Ship is currently listed at requested moves, with a proposal to rename it tracking ship. The only open good article nomination is of the book Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet, which is currently awaiting review.

Editorial – Space Stations and the Push for Featured Topics
There has recently been much talk about trying to increase the activity of the project. To this end, a major reorganisation effort has been undertaken, which has seen the space WikiProjects separated into the Astronomy, Solar System and Spaceflight groups, with WikiProject Space being abolished. We have also seen the child projects of WikiProject Spaceflight being abolished, with Timeline of Spaceflight becoming a working group, and the Unmanned and Human Spaceflight projects becoming task forces for now, with some suggestions that they should be abolished outright. The problem with the previous structure was that there were too many different groups of editors, and nobody was sure which projects were supposed to be doing what. Now there is only one project, this is somewhat clearer, but spaceflight is still a huge topic.

Another way to improve the activity of the project is to attract more editors. Spaceflight is a topic which many people have at least a very casual interest in, and therefore it is strange that there are only about four or five people regularly participating in discussions on the project talk page. Evidently action is needed to raise the profile of the project.

One way in which the project's profile can be raised is to have a major success associated with it. The creation of a featured topic could be one such success, and would also be hugely beneficial to articles in the area that it relates to. Space Stations are one of the most high-profile and notable areas of spaceflight, and are therefore a logical choice to spearhead such an initiative.

To this end, in late December a working group was established to concentrate and coordinate efforts to establish featured topics related to space stations. An initial proposal calls for topics on Skylab, Salyut, Mir and the International Space Station, as well as one on space stations in general. There is currently an effort to get Mir promoted to Good Article status; the article currently requires a copyedit, after which it will be sent for peer review and then to GAN.

This is by no means a short-term project. There are many articles, particularly for the larger space stations such as the ISS and Mir, which are currently nowhere near becoming recognised content. Skylab is the smallest of the proposed featured topics, but it still requires that three C-class articles, two Start-class articles and a redirect all reach at least Good Article status, with at least three becoming Featured Articles. The ISS topic is so large that it may have to be subdivided.

I don't expect that we will have any featured topics by the end of the year, but I believe that a Good Topic, which requires all articles reach at least GA status, but does not require any featured articles, may be possible. I also believe that several articles on the subject can easily be improved to Good Article status, and some articles may be at featured level by the end of the year. In the long term, having featured topics will benefit the project and its content.

Selected Article – Salyut 2
Salyut 2 was an early space station, launched in 1973 as part of the Salyut and Almaz programmes. It malfunctioned two days after launch, and consequently was never visited by a manned Soyuz mission.

The Salyut 2 article describes the station:

Salyut 2 (OPS-1)(Russian: Салют-2; English: Salute 2) was launched April 4, 1973. It was not really a part of the same program as the other Salyut space stations, instead being the highly classified prototype military space station Almaz. It was given the designation Salyut 2 to conceal its true nature. Despite its successful launch, within two days the as-yet-unmanned Salyut 2 began losing pressure and its flight control failed; the cause of the failure was likely due to shrapnel piercing the station when the discarded Proton rocket upper stage that had placed it in orbit later exploded nearby. On April 11, 1973, 11 days after launch, an unexplainable accident caused the two large solar panels to be torn loose from the space station cutting off all power to the space station. Salyut 2 re-entered on May 28, 1973.

The article is currently assessed as start class, and is in need of attention. It consists of the above paragraph, along with a list of specifications and an infobox. The article needs to be rewritten in a more encyclopaedic style, and with more information about the space station. It has not yet been determined whether Salyut 2 would have to be included in a featured topic about the Salyut programme, or whether since it was never manned it is less integral to the topic, however if its inclusion were necessary then in its current form it would be a major impediment to this. Downlink readers are encouraged to improve this article, with a view to getting it to B-class and possibly a viable Good Article candidate by the end of the month.

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Treading Dangerously with your Topic Ban

This is in violation of your topic ban, since it was Request for Page Protection I aint dragging you to ANI. I advise you to take such pages off your Watchlist The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 22:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Also it seems you creative formatting of your page is hiding my text might wanna look into that. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 22:34, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

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A wiki that may be of interest

You may like to look at A Storehouse of Knowledge. LowKey (talk) 04:52, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar thanks

Thank you for the barnstar and kind words. Cla68 (talk) 04:35, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Gliese 581 g

Please stop with the drive-by maintenance tag additions. You are either using the wrong template or you are unable to communicate the problem. Viriditas (talk) 11:12, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Same thing with terraforming. I'm starting to see a pattern here. Viriditas (talk) 11:24, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Changes to template colors

I've reverted all of your changes to the template colors, which made them completely illegible. Also, your edit summary, "Changed from Marxist colors" is bordering on absurd and disruptive. Please discuss your proposed changes with the project or on the talk page and get some feedback first. You seem to be slipping back into troublesome edits yet again. Viriditas (talk) 11:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Because you seem to be returning to an earlier pattern of disruption, I have reported you to your original blocking admin. I'm not sure what is going on with you, but please slow down and discuss your edits. Viriditas (talk) 11:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't feel compelled to take action at this point, but I will note that those color changes are ridiculous, and it won't take much more of that sort of thing for me to conclude that there is a continuing pattern of disruption here. Looie496 (talk) 17:34, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I didn't think that the colors matched the economics theory. Perhaps we could discuss what color would be most appropriate.--  Novus  Orator  04:28, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Are colors used in economics infoboxes to match the theory? If so, how? Viriditas (talk) 00:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Red has just been traditionally associated with Marxian economic and political symbolism, so I think that perhaps blue or a neutral grey would be more appropriate.--  Novus  Orator  05:25, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

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Removing supposed unsourced statements.

Please be more careful when removing unsourced statements from articles. Many of the statements you removed from gold standard were actually properly sourced statements, they just happened to have the reference to their source at the end of the sentence immediately following. It is really not a good reason at all to remove statements just because they happen to have a period between them and their reference.TheFreeloader (talk) 07:07, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Still, you may want to check the sentence following for the source before just removing the content. It certainly doesn't make for a better encyclopedia to just willy-nilly remove any sentence in article which isn't followed by a reference. According to WP:INCITE references are accepted at the end of paragraphs as well as sentences. If you think it is unclear what is the source for a given statement it would be much more helpful if you then moved up the reference to statement in question, or at least put a WP:citation needed-tag in so others might find the reference for you.TheFreeloader (talk) 07:18, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Still there is no reason to make Misplaced Pages into a WP:battleground. Our goal should be to try to make a better encyclopedia, not to try to score points by having more statement which one agrees with in an article.TheFreeloader (talk) 07:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
But the point is that those statements you removed did have citations, there just happened to a period between them and the reference.TheFreeloader (talk) 07:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Still, much of the content around those statements lost their meaning as the context that those statements you deleted provided were removed. I really just don't see how you help the encyclopedia by roaming around doing stuff like that.TheFreeloader (talk) 07:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Terra, this has been brought up numerous times before. When you remove content for being unsourced or add CN tags, you need to first check the references in the paragraph. You can't simply assume the content is unreferenced without checking first. That's not helpful editing. This is the same issue it was 6 months ago. Jesstalk|edits 21:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Per WP:V any statement likely to be challenged needs a reference. As soon as those references in Gold Standard were aligned properly I accepted the end result. Unsourced claims are not allowed in Misplaced Pages.--  Novus  Orator  05:28, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Terra, you're not understanding. The content was sourced. The sources "not being aligned properly" isn't a reason to remove stuff. I'm not going to keep repeating this... I brought it up multiple times with you many months ago, and it seems it's still going on. When you remove unsourced content or add CN tags, you need to first read the sources throughout the paragraph. You cannot simply assume the content is unsourced and remove it. When a sentence is sourced in the very next sentence, that is perfectly acceptable, and you challenging it because you didn't read the paragraph is not constructive editing. Jesstalk|edits 08:36, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps you haven't read the relevant part of WP:V. Any statement likely to be challenged must be sourced. The material I removed did not clearly connect with the references. Once the references were added I offered no objection to those statements.--  Novus  Orator  08:42, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
This is the last time I'm going to say it. The statement was sourced. It was sourced in the very next sentence. You need to read the paragraph before removing text for being unsourced. If you continue removing well sourced content because you haven't done your due diligence of actually reading the surrounding citations, I or another editor is likely to take the issue to an appropriate noticeboard. Please just read the context before removing stuff. Thanks. Jesstalk|edits 08:56, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
(Reply to comment at Mann Jess's talkpage.)This is clearly wikilawyering. We all know that WP:V isn't supposed to be used the way you use it. You are trying to get things you disagree with removed based on (misinterpreted) technicalities, and in the process severely detracting from the quality of encyclopedia. WP:INCITE says that references for a given statement can provided at both be at the end the sentence as well at the end of the paragraph. Some people do not find it practical to cite the same source over and over again if a whole paragraph is written using the same source. They will then instead just put in a reference at the end of the whole paragraph. This is clearly an acceptable practice in accordance with WP:CITE. To then have you go around, removing the first parts of paragraphs sourced like this is really no help at all to the encyclopedia. Often all that will be left are meaningless statements, as the properly sourced context given by the first part of the paragraph has been removed. It is totally understandable that mistakes may happen when editing Misplaced Pages, and one may not have found the reference provided for a given statement. This does not however mean that one it is not required to read the full paragraph (and reference for it) before removing statements within it. If one then finds that it may be unclear that the whole paragraph was sourced from the reference at the end, it might be appropriate to insert repetitions of the reference throughout the paragraph. It is how not appropriate at all as you have practiced to remove the whole first part of the paragraph. If you do not stop this practice, as Mann jess have said, it will have to be reported to the appropriate noticeboard.TheFreeloader (talk) 14:56, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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If you have uploaded other non-free media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our non-free content criteria. You can find a list of description pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that even if you follow steps 1 and 2 above, non-free media which could be replaced by freely licensed alternatives will be deleted 2 days after this notification (7 days if uploaded before 13 July 2006), per our non-free content policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Fut.Perf. 12:06, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Please stop uploading non-free J-20 photos

Please stop uploading non-free J-20 photos. Precedent was set that these image were replaceable at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion/2011 January 6#Chengdu J-20.jpg, and the community has since upheld that in two subsequent FFD discussions, at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion/2011 January 11#File:J-20 takeoff.jpg and Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion/2011 January 11#File:J-20 Front.jpg. As you have now been warned not to upload further images like this, any future uploads may be viewed as disruptive, and handled as such. SchuminWeb (Talk) 12:17, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I certainly don't want to be viewed as disruptive.--  Novus  Orator  03:59, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Question: File:Korean Stealth Fighter.jpg

There's one thing I don't understand. You said about File:Korean Stealth Fighter.jpg that it is an "in-company prototype that cannot be photographed by the general public." Why then does it show a price tag with a bar code, as if it were a toy model displayed for sale in a shop? Can you clarify where this picture comes from? (Oh, and I only now notice the source link – again without context page – goes to a different picture, which in fact seems to match your description better.) Fut.Perf. 07:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Good, I'll upload that version then.--  Novus  Orator  03:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Isn't that another copyrighted image incorrectly being used as a non-free image? I don't understand the rationale behind justifying its use. John Smith's (talk) 10:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

File:J-10 blueprint.jpg listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:J-10 blueprint.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. PhilKnight (talk) 18:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

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