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Instructions

Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination. Every approved hook will appear on the main page.

DYK criteria

How to list a new nomination

Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

1. Nom without image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= }}
2. Nom with image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= | image= | caption= }}

   To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook: |article2= |article3= |article4= | (etc)

   To include more than one author: |author2= |author3= | (etc)

   To include alternate hooks: |ALT1= |ALT2= | (etc)

   To add a comment: |comment=

   To add the article you reviewed: |reviewed=

Do not wikilink the article title, or the author username field; the template will wikilink them automatically. Do wikilink the article title in the hook field, however.
Do not add a section heading if you are using the template; the template will add one for you.
Do not include a signature (~~~~) after the template.
Do not use non-free images in your hook suggestion.

An example of how to use the template is given below. Don't forget to fill out the rollover text, so people know what the image is of! Full details are at {{NewDYKnom}}:

{{subst:NewDYKnom
 | article    = Example
 | status     = new<!--(or)  expanded-->
 | hook       = ... that this ] is an  ''']''' ''(pictured)''?
 | author     = User
 | nominator  =
 | image      = Example.png
 | rollover   = An example image
 | alttext    = Description of the image
 | comment    =
}}

• Note that you should only use one of the above templates for the original hook. If you want to suggest a second, alternative hook for the same article submission, just type it in manually. The above templates output useful code for each submission and if you employ them for alternative hooks, you will mess up the page formatting.
• When saving your suggestion, please add the name of the suggested article to your edit summary.
• Please check back for comments on your nomination. Responding to reasonable objections will help ensure that your article is listed.
• If you nominate someone else's article, you can use {{subst:DYKNom}} to notify them. Usage: {{subst:DYKNom|Article name}}

How to review a nomination

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, or may suggest new hooks. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the additional rules.

If you want to confirm that an article is ready to be placed on a later update, or note that there is an issue with the article or hook, please use the following symbols to point the issues out:

Symbol	Code	DYK Ready?	Description
	{{subst:DYKtick}}	Yes	No problems, ready for DYK
	{{subst:DYKtickAGF}}	Yes	Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language or offline hook reference accepted in good faith
	{{subst:DYK?}}	Query	DYK eligibility requires that an issue be addressed. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYK?no}}	Maybe	DYK eligibility requires additional work. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYKno}}	No	Article is either completely ineligible, or else requires considerable work before becoming eligible

Please consider using {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page, in case they do not notice that there is an issue.

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Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on October 30

Ashleigh Grimshaw, Robbie Olivier

• ... that Robbie "The Flame" Olivier and Ashleigh "The Thunderball Kid" Grimshaw faced off at Cage Rage 27 - Step Up for the Cage Rage British Featherweight Championship?

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

• The event refs are done, I think, but the nicknames are sourced in the infobox on the right of the article. If the nicknames need to be in the prose, please send me a talk message and I'll sort that out. Thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

• The hook and the source check out, but I'm not 100% sure on this one. I'm not usually the one saying this, but how 'hooky' is this source, really? If you look through my DYK noms, I'm sure to be the last person you'd expect to say this (although mine are interesting, they're not as interesting as some that I have seen are!). Could you explain what's interesting about this one for me so I can tick it? Arctic Night 12:22, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Didn't realise we had rules about the level of interest hooks have... Anyway, any fans of MMA will know these two and the organisation, so it'll draw them to these new articles. They also have interesting nicknames that may garner some small interest. Paralympiakos (talk) 13:01, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Things put on MainPage are meant for a general audience, not just fans of any particular sports. If there is a hook that would appeal to a wider readership, it would be great. This is not an absolute requirement for DYK, but those hooks that DYK clerks find more "interesting" usually get picked earlier. --PFHLai (talk) 04:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Which is fair enough, but I say this has just as much hook appeal as some suggestions on dyk. Paralympiakos (talk) 16:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

A "hookier" alt version could be crafted that doesn't give so much detail and leaves the reader wanting to know the rest of the story. Maybe .... that Robbie "The Flame" Olivier and Ashleigh "The Thunderball Kid" Grimshaw faced off at Cage Rage 27? Cbl62 (talk) 08:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I don't see how removing the title status in the hook makes it "hookier", but if people are happier with that, then it's cool by me, so thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 08:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Personally, neither the original nor the shorter alt is "hooky". --PFHLai (talk) 16:19, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps not, but then interest is subjective. I was reading that the median viewing figures for this project was 1000 views. Take a look at my average and it is a fair bit bigger. Though the hook may not look particularly enticing to some, the figures speak for themselves. Paralympiakos (talk) 15:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

The Female Quixote

• ... that The Female Quixote was used as a model by Jane Austen for her first novel, Northanger Abbey?

Created by Clementina (talk). Self nom at 02:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

• Amazon.com is not a reliable source. This link is a student essay, and also not a reliable source. Enotes.com is a tertiary source, and is of dubious reliability.--hkr Laozi speak 00:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• I did a thorough search for alternatives and none of them quite say what is in the hook, agreed that the two sources you mention are not really reliable. It is certainly clear that 'Female Quixote' influenced Austen in writing her book e.g. , so perhaps that sort of wording could be used instead. Mikenorton (talk) 02:52, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• The whole article is in need of more reliable sources. Here are some links to academic journal articles that could be used (although not necessarily for this hook): --Orlady (talk) 16:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
• Note: The creator/nominator's talk page has a header that pleads for patience: "So, so sorry, everyone! :( My computer's broken down, and it's taking over a week to fix it, so I do apologize if I haven't been able to get back to some comments on my talk page. I'll do all I can to fix it as soon as my computer comes back, I promise! Email me for anything urgent, please - though it probably won't be likely. :) Love, Clementina talk 06:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)" --Orlady (talk) 15:30, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 1

Demographics of Oceania

• ... that only three nations of Oceania have a population of over a million, and they constitute over 90% of the region's population?

Created by Jraytram (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 18:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: student project (see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject United States Public Policy/Workbench). Hook based on simple math breakdown of the referenced numbers in the table.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• As a split from Oceania#Demographics, this does not seem to have enough in the way of new content to qualify for DYK. (It's a nice piece of work, though.) Also, there are many bare URLs needing to be cleaned up. With cleanup, this could become a WP:Featured list. --Orlady (talk) 19:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Could you leave a comment to that note on the student's (author's) talk page? It will be nice to show them how we work. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:14, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Desperately needs photographs of people and some solid text rather than just facts.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Robert Olmstead

• ... that Robert Olmstead's novel Far Bright Star is set in "the place of the sun shriveled and the dried up", and has been named by booklist as one of the Top Ten Westerns of the Decade?

• ALT1:... that Robert Olmstead's novel Coal Black Horse won the 2007 Chicago Tribune Heartland Prize for Fiction and has been described as evoking what Henry David Thoreau described in Walden as "the indescribable innocence and beneficence of Nature"?

Created by EdChem (talk). Self nom at 06:15, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Following on from the discussion at WT:DYK#DYK as a possible part the sourcing of BLP drive, I am posting this nomination as a test of that idea. The pre-expansion unreferenced version had less than 1000 characters and was unsourced since March 2008. My cumulative changes have added 8 references and more than doubled the character count. Are these changes considered sufficient to make the nomination DYK / main page worthy? Multiple perspectives welcome. EdChem (talk) 06:22, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• You did a fantastic job finding references, but DYK doesn't quite look for just that. What counts is the amount of prose, not the character count or number of references. You also didn't create the article; Bereavedhero (talk · contribs) did. You could have expanded it 5x since then, but 1,964 characters of prose before expansion / 953 characters of prose before expansion = only ~2x expansion. Unless you can get this article to roughly 4,765 characters of prose by the end of tomorrow (there's a 10-day limit I believe), then this thing just can't possibly make the cut. Sorry :( --Dylan620 21:13, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Please do not make a final decision with respect to this nomination without reviewing the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know#unsourced BLP Drive. EdChem (talk) 12:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 3

Basilica di San Marino

• ... that John Paul II visited and blessed the Basilica di San Marino on August 29, 1982?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 16:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• This nomination is way too late. - PM800 (talk) 16:22, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Breiðamerkurjökull and Höfn

• ... that Breiðamerkurjökull (pictured), an outlet glacier near the fishing town of Höfn, was used as a stand-in for Siberia in the film Lara Croft: Tomb Raider?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 10:21, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char . 08:45, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• I don't think this hook would be interesting to enough people for the English Misplaced Pages front page, but that's just my opinion. - PM800 (talk) 05:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• This should please the masses: ALT1: ... that Breiðamerkurjökull (pictured), an outlet glacier of the larger glacier of Vatnajökull, was used as a stand-in for Siberia in the film Lara Croft: Tomb Raider?--hkr Laozi speak 04:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• It is a double article hook and the name of Höfn should also be part of any alternate hook. Hence, original hook is fine though not interesting enough. -- N.V.V. Char . 14:54, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Completed the sentence.--Wetman (talk) 19:33, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Oh! I see, sorry about that. How about: ALT2: ... that Breiðamerkurjökull (pictured), an outlet glacier near the fishing town of Höfn, was used as a stand-in for Siberia in the film Lara Croft: Tomb Raider?--hkr Laozi speak 03:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Alt 2 would be fine.-- N.V.V. Char . 06:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The image is great, the article length (for the new article on Breiðamerkurjökull) and 5x expansion (for Höfn) meet criteria, and I like the Lara Croft hook, but unfortunately I cannot verify that hook. The online source cited in the article does not specifically indicate that Breiðamerkurjökull was a filming location, and I have not been able to find a WP:RS source online that says that (but I have not searched exhaustively). Also, the Höfn article did not mention Breiðamerkurjökull or anything else discussed in the Lara Croft hook (other than "fishing town"). I added a sentence about Lara Croft, but if this is going to be a double hook, I think there should be more of a connection between the article and the hook. --Orlady (talk) 14:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Can you think of two seperate hooks for each article? They don't have to be a double, although we are doing an A-Z of countries and are often trying to kill two birds with one stone with or nominations that's all.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

My mistake, the lagoon that the Breiðamerkurjökull feeds into, the Jökulsárlón, is where the filming took place. But, how about...

Alt 3 Part 1... that Höfn, an Icelandic fishing town, has an entire museum devoted to glaciers?--hkr (talk) 21:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Verified here

Still at least 500 chars short of a x5 expansion by my count. Gatoclass (talk) 10:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Not any longer. I've added to it. 500 chars is incredibly petty to demand.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Expansion is now from 793 (at the start) to 5381 ch.

Alt 3 Part 2... that since the 1890s, a warmer climate has caused Breiðamerkurjökull (pictured), an outlet glacier of the larger glacier of Vatnajökull, to rapidly retreat?

Verified here--hkr (talk) 21:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Only a x2 expansion, and little prospect of expanding it to x5 I think. Gatoclass (talk) 10:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Note that the Breiðamerkurjökull article was created, not expanded. The Hofn article was the only one that was expanded. This isn't reflected in the nomination since there is no option in the template for "created and expanded" for multiple article nominations.--res Laozi speak 13:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

On the 4th Nov, the day this was posted the article was expanded from ch 154 (31st October) without infobox by more than 5 x. Now, the prose expansion is 3852. Is there a different rule if the hook is broken up into two articles? Hence, please review this decision .-- N.V.V. Char . 13:23, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Since the article was created on the 31st, the nomination meets the five-day deadline. This means it counts as created and not expanded, so the 5x expansion requirement does not apply.--res Laozi speak 14:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Both hooks Part 1 and Part 2 appear to be OK. -- N.V.V. Char. 05:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 4

Cleveland Sight Center

• ... that Cleveland Sight Center has over 100 staff members working with the blind or visually impaired?

Created by Ace of Raves (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 17:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comments: student project (see WP:USPP). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• It is very common for specialized medical clinics to treat patients with ailments related to the clinic's specialty. Is there anything more interesting that the obvious fact that a medical clinic treats patients or the size of its staff? --Allen3  13:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

This is a boring hook. Nominator, please come up with a better hook if you can. If this is the largest ___ clinic in ____, please say so. --PFHLai (talk) 16:29, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Did anyone read the article? It has few secondary sources and mostly relies on the center's own website; there's even a YouTube video as a source. Yoninah (talk) 20:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Cooks Source infringement controversy

• ... that the Cooks Source infringement controversy "may well become a digital textbook example of how not to respond to grievances in the internet age"?

Created/expanded by Hagcel (talk), Jokestress (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 00:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The source says it "may well become a digital textbook example of how not to respond to grievances in the internet age" (my emphasis), not that it is such an example. I know it's a small distinction, but I think it's important, especially for a claim that would go on the Main Page. cmadler (talk) 13:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree with cmadler. Just like the omission of a single word from the Wicked Bible created a new and unintended commandment, stripping the word "may" from the cited source has significantly changed the sourced facts. --Allen3  13:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Updated fact and article per request. Jokestress (talk) 15:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• It's not exactly the best hook in the world. It's one person's opinion about what may come to pass, and provides no basis for the conclusion. That's not really a fact, per se. Do you have an actual fact that you can use as a hook? Uncle G (talk) 01:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Judith Griggs, who played a big role in the Cooks Source infringement controversy, was formerly a town planner and a conservation agent? --Secret Saturdays (talk to me) 02:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
    • Better. It's factual. But it doesn't seem right for the main page of Misplaced Pages to be joining in the sport of putting M. Griggs' name everywhere. We're supposed to be better than that. Do you have something dealing with the WWW sites or the Facebook accounts? Uncle G (talk) 02:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
      • I have one other suggestions: ALT2 ... that during the Cooks Source infringement controversy, there was a campaign that began to reward advertisers who had pulled their ads from the magazine? Secret Saturdays (talk to me) 06:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
        • ALT 1 is interesting, because Griggs' behavior/attitude in the recent incident parallels her style of interaction that led to termination of the earlier positions. ALT 2 can be sourced to 2nd Street Bakery, but the real notability here is Griggs' response to Gaudio, which led to what may be the first non-anonymous Facebook-based crowdsourced investigation and internet vigilantism (see text). Most previous incidents against people like Griggs involved hiding behind anonymity. Griggs was so wrong, and her response was so passive-aggressive and disrespectful (see text), that she really did set a new standard for "how not to respond to grievances in the internet age," per source in article. Jokestress (talk) 10:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Åland Museum, Åland Maritime Museum

• ... that in Mariehamn, the Åland Museum contains a boat made of seal skin dated to the Stone Age whilst Åland Maritime Museum contains a ship named the Pommern (pictured)?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 10:32, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char . 11:29, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I like the first half of the hook for Åland Museum, but the second half for Åland Maritime Museum is somewhat of a letdown -- having a ship from 1903 is not that special. How about some mention of the old ship winning the Great Grain Races twice, before becoming a museum ship, etc.? --PFHLai (talk) 17:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

If you do not like the hook, please change it youself. I really haven't got time for faffing about with hooks. 1903 was not supposed to be special, the fact that the musuem has a full-sized ship is of note.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Andhra Pradesh Housing Board

A portrait of a middle-aged man with a yellow turban, a white sash from his right shoulder running across his chest and medals adorning his black Nehru jacket

• ... that Hyderabad-based Andhra Pradesh Housing Board, which was formerly known as City Improvement Board, was conceived by Nizam Osman Ali Khan, Asaf Jah VII (pictured) in 1911?

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 08:56, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1 ... that the architecture of buildings constructed by Hyderabad-based Andhra Pradesh Housing Board, which was formerly known as City Improvement Board, came to be known as Osmanian?

ALT 2 ... that the Andhra Pradesh Housing Board, which was formerly known as City Improvement Board, constructed several Hyderabad landmarks such as Moazzam Jahi Market and Osmania Hospital?

ALT 3 ... that the Andhra Pradesh Housing Board, which was conceived by Nizam Osman Ali Khan (pictured) in 1911, enhanced the look of Hyderabad with civic amenities much before many other Indian cities?

• Creation date and length verified. Hook citation is good. Hook might need a tweak for interest factor though. The Interior(Talk) 21:28, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I added 2 ALT hooks now. What do you think? Mspraveen (talk) 03:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. What catches my eye in the article is the 1911 establishment of the board, which makes Hyderabad ahead of the curve regarding urban planning. Maybe just a shorter rework of original hook? The Interior(Talk) 20:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I hope I understood your idea - added ALT 3. If you want to tweak it further, then please feel free to do so. Mspraveen (talk) 06:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Confederazione dei Sindacati Unici Classisti del Territorio libero di Trieste

• ... that it took the Titoist trade unionists in the Free Territory of Trieste over two years to form their own confederation, after the Soviet-Yugoslav split of 1948?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 00:30, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• If you disregard the various translations in the article, there are less than 1,500 characters. - PM800 (talk) 04:58, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Since when are translations not counted as part of the prose? It is not mentioned neither in WP:DYK nor Misplaced Pages:Did_you_know/Additional_rules#Additional_article_length_rules. --Soman (talk) 05:07, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• The rules state: "In practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting reviewers and administrators." - PM800 (talk) 05:49, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• On the other hand, this is probably the sole Titoist union in the world ever to exist outside of Yugoslavia (which, if it could be sourced, would have made a great DYK hook) and thus a quite unique political phenomenon. --Soman (talk) 20:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• OK, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. The article is not long enough, in my opinion. - PM800 (talk) 18:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 5

Michael Willian Costa/Lincon de Sa

• ... that Michael Willian Costa is a mixed martial arts fighter who competes in the strawweight (115 lb) division?

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Everything checks out. Miyagawa (talk) 21:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Unless this guy has a hard time finding opponents in his weight class, this is a boring hook. --PFHLai (talk) 09:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

He does, considering he is 115lbs. I would've thought that the idea of someone competing at that weight would be curious. The below is nonsense. Paralympiakos (talk) 10:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. With over 20 DYKs (including 15 in September), the nom needs to raise his game in the new environment. Johnbod (talk) 09:44, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

The fight record in the article suggests that this guy has been competing regularly in Shooto. How about a hook about him competing for an inaugural Shooto title next month? I'd suggest making it a double hook with a bio for his scheduled opponent. Please do it quickly before this article gets too old for DYK. --PFHLai (talk) 11:34, 13 November 2010 (UTC) Never mind about the double hook if the other guy is not Wiki-worthy. I'm just trying to avoid incoming boring hooks. Good hooky materials are hard to come by. --PFHLai (talk) 12:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC) But I do suggest a different hook. The current hook will more likely get readers to click on strawweight than the DYK article. --PFHLai (talk) 15:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

But let's say I do an article for Lincon de Sa (his upcoming opponent), how is that hook any different to the one at the very top by myself? Paralympiakos (talk) 23:52, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Even without de Sa, IMO, the hook about an inaugural Shooto title next month carries some uniqueness. If de Sa gets in the same hook, you don't need to think about a new hook for de Sa's article, which I assume you would be writing up and nominating for DYK. If you are indeed making a double-hook nomination, then we would be only reviewing one hook instead of two.

Now back to the original hook, sorry, it's just too straightforward, like saying a 6-year-old is supposed to attend Grade 1, or someone who grew up in France is supposed to speak some French. A smaller-sized person is supposed to fight in a lighter-weighted class. So? What's so special? Now if this is the guy who started the weight class, or a long-time champ in the weight class, or if he is actually 90-lb and fighting much larger opponents, then you've got something interesting to make a hook, methinks. Right now, all you're saying is that he is a small guy amongst fighters, and that's it. --PFHLai (talk) 06:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, personally I'd say I'm closer to saying "Look, here's this guy that fights at a freakish weight class that barely anyone has heard of. Take a look" Paralympiakos (talk) 15:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1 ... that Michael Willian Costa and Lincon de Sa will face off for the inaugural Shooto South American 115lb Championship?

Is this better then? Paralympiakos (talk) 16:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Newhouse Research Site

• ... that the Newhouse Research Site (pictured) is currently the largest private drug discovery centre in Scotland?

• ALT1:... that the Newhouse Research Site (pictured) was responsible for the identification of rocuronium and selective relaxant binding agent?

Created by Rb401 (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 23:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Will need a lot of work to bring it up to DYK standards. I've checked the references and very little of what is in the lead, is actually covered in the references provided and there are other sentences that are also not backed up by references. SmartSE (talk) 20:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Fisherton Delamere

• ... that the civil parish of Fisherton Delamere (church pictured) was extinguished in 1934?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 07:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• I could only think about fires so I checked wiktionary and you are correct. So I've linked it to the list of meanings Victuallers (talk) 22:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm under the impression that such mergers and splits and redrawing of boundaries are quite common for defined areas such as parishes and electoral districts. Unless 1934 has some significance, this is a boring hook. --PFHLai (talk) 16:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that most of the English village of Fisherton Delamere lies in the parish of Wylye, while the Fishterton Mill lies in the parish of Stockton? Yoninah (talk) 00:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• The first hook is indeed not very good. Yoninah's would be better for me, except that there isn't a citation for it. If I can't find one I'll try another Alt. Moonraker2 (talk) 00:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that Fisherton Delamere (church pictured) takes its name from the Delameres of Nunney Castle, who were lords of the manor?

This may be better. Moonraker2 (talk) 01:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• While referenced, ALT2 isn't so hooky for people who have never heard of the Delameres or Nunney Castle. How about:
• ALT3: ... that records of christenings, marriages, and burials in the former parish of Fisherton Delamere, Wiltshire, England (church pictured) are preserved back to the 1560s? Yoninah (talk) 09:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Erick Silva

• ... that Erick Silva competed in "one of the wettest events in MMA history" when the outdoor event was subjected to torrential rain?

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 16:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• Alt1: that martial artist Erick Silva competed in "one of the wettest events in MMA history" when the outdoor event was subjected to torrential rain? (Bit of background for the unfamiliar.) 97198 (talk) 14:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
• Looks good, second hook is probably better for the non-MMA fan. Miyagawa (talk) 21:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Any plans to start a new wikibio for Silva's opponent in this wet event? Please consider making this a double hook. Hooky materials for MMA bios are hard to come by. --PFHLai (talk) 09:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Why? I don't see why it needs a second article to make it "hooky". The hook would effectively be the same, but with an extra name. Paralympiakos (talk) 10:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm more concerned about the lack of hooky materials when you start the bio for the other fighter, which I suspect you will. I am trying to avoid incoming boring hooks. --PFHLai (talk) 11:38, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

PFHLai, the problem is that his opponent in this event is borderline for notability under the standards used by the MMA WikiProject. I agree there is the potential for a multi-article hook here, but that should not (IMO) count against a single-article hook being used if the opportunity to add articles is not taken. (Disclosure: I have raised this at Paralympiakos' talk page, and will contribute to expansions if he wants to collaborate on the task.) EdChem (talk) 11:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, EdChem. Hopefully this means that there is one fewer boring hook to worry about. --PFHLai (talk) 12:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Kanimozhi (film)

• ... that the forthcoming Tamil film Kanimozhi starring Jai and Shazahn Padamsee, was named after politician M. K. Kanimozhi and had its soundtrack released by her father, M. Karunanidhi?

5x expanded by Universal Hero (talk). Self nom at 23:01, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Where is the plot summary? --PFHLai (talk) 09:59, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• "released by her father" seems misleading. The article says he was in attendance at the release of the audio as a guest. What exactly happened at the release? --PFHLai (talk) 10:02, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• the film is yet to release - so there's no plot as of yet. Hmmm, you're probably right - "released" seems a term generic to Indian film launches. I've reworded a bit - basically, he received the first copy - which is often implied as "releasing the audio - as he was the main guest of honour". Universal Hero (talk) 16:38, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, we can't have an article about the movie and not say what the movie is about, can we? --PFHLai (talk) 06:25, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Mount Newman railway

• ... that on 21 June 2001, on the Mount Newman railway, a BHP Billiton iron ore train consisting of 682 cars broke the world record for the heaviest train, weighing 99,734 tons and being 7.3 kilometres long?

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 15:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go.--White Shadows 17:16, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

St Leonard's Church, Bridgnorth

• ... that the aisles of St Leonard's Church, Bridgnorth, Shropshire, (tower pictured) were destroyed when stored ammunition was ignited by cannon fire in the Civil War in 1646?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length and sourcing for article and hook have all been confirmed. Alansohn (talk) 00:12, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Promised Land (CBC Radio One)

• ... that during the recording of the CBC Radio One program Promised Land, presenter Natasha Fatah reportedly broke down in tears in response to her interviewees' stories about being a refugee?

Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 15:29, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Li Gang incident

• ... that my dad is Li Gang! was yelled by the son of a Chinese police officer, convinced he would avoid facing criminal consequences?

Created by Comte0 (talk). Self nom at 15:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Perhaps clarify a bit with "...was yelled by the son of a Chinese police officer after hitting and killing a pedestrian whilst drunk, convinced..." - readers might want to know why he was yelling. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 04:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think it's good: the link on criminal refers to the hitting and killing, and the second part of the hook is the reason why he yelled. I then feel your version to be somewhat too long. Some words might be added about the driver being drunk, but he is actually charged for criminal negligence. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 08:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that a Chinese police officer's son, convinced that he would avoid facing criminal consequences after hitting a pedestrian, yelled "My dad is Li Gang!"? - PM800 (talk) 08:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Support this alt. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 09:05, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Why not. I added the missing question mark ;) Comte0 (talk) 12:26, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• This article seems to contain some close paraphrasing or borderline plagiarism. For example:

• Source: "the other, 19, suffered a fractured left leg and is in stable condition"

Article: "The other, Zhang Jingjing, 19, suffered a fractured left leg and was left in stable condition"

• Source: "Li Gang wept in an apology during an interview with China Central Television on Oct. 21. Li Qiming also apologized in a video released on Oct. 22."

Article: "Li Gang wept in an apology during an interview with China Central Television on 21 October. Li Qiming also apologized in a video released on 22 October"

• Source: "The director asked lawyer Zhang Kai to terminate his representation in this case because the law firm has been cautioned by Beijing Bureau of Justice"

Article: "On November 1, Zhang Kai . . . was asked to terminate his representation in this case because the law firm has been cautioned by Beijing Bureau of Justice"

• These (and possibly others) must be rewritten in your own words before the article can appear on DYK. Intelligentsium 00:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• I can do that tonight. However, I'm french, and I think that what you've pointed out clearly falls outside of the copyright laws. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 07:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Regardless of copyright laws, the DYK rules don't really allow it, and I recall seeing something similar on a WP policy page somewhere. Also, the Misplaced Pages servers are located in Florida, and not France; hence French laws don't apply to Misplaced Pages. I could paraphrase them if you like. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 08:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Paraphrasing done. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 08:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you! Comte0 (talk) 20:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Okomu National Park

• ... that the Okomu National Park in Nigeria, home to many rare species, is severely threatened by illegal forestry?

5x expanded by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 14:28, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the Okomu and Cross River national parks in Nigeria, both home to many rare species including Chimpanzees, are both increasingly threatened by illegal forestry?

This would combine two articles in one hook. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:05, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Teslim Balogun

• ... that Teslim Balogun became the first Nigerian footballer to play in the Football League, before qualifying as the first African professional coach?

Created by GiantSnowman (talk). Self nom at 14:26, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• "before later"="before" Victuallers (talk) 14:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Oh yeah, thanks! Brain obviously not functioning...GiantSnowman 13:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 6

Arlanda Line, Arlanda Express, Arlanda North Station, Arlanda Central Station, Arlanda South Station

• ... that the Arlanda Line and the three stations Arlanda North, Arlanda Central and Arlanda South was partially financed by giving the Arlanda Express (pictured) a 40-year monopoly?

5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 11:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• This hook could use some geographical context. Most readers of MainPage won't know that this hook is about the high-speed airport rail link to the largest airport in that country. --PFHLai (talk) 11:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Rygge Station

• ... that Rygge Station (pictured), opened in 1879, became an airport rail link when Moss Airport, Rygge opened in 2008?

5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 11:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The airport page and station page put the date at the airport's opening in two different years with two different months. What is the correct date? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• The station article and the body of the airport article where correct, while the lead in the airport article for some reason was wrong. It is fixed now. Arsenikk 18:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• From the looks of the article's history, the 2007 date was right. The opening of the airport and the beginning of scheduled service are two separate things. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

William Dennison Clark

• ... that William Dennison Clark (pictured), whose "wretched blunder" in 1905 ended Michigan's 56-game unbeaten streak in football, killed himself 27 years later, expressing the hope to atone for his error?

Created/expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• I dunno about this one; the statement "Some newspaper accounts reported at the time that his letter also expressed hope that his "final play" would atone for his error at Marshall Field" seems a bit... iffy. It feels very wrong to attribute his suicide solely to an athletic error 27 years earlier. DS (talk) 14:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Crissal Thrasher

• ... that even when the Crissal Thrasher is disturbed by a person or a predator, the bird is likely to run away for cover?

5x expanded by Joe Chill (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• add "instead of flying away", otherwise the hook looks stupid. DS (talk) 14:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• the hook is a very close paraphrase of this source (which is cited), I've had a quick go at rewording that sentence in the article but there may be others that need doing and this hook needs to be rewritten. Mikenorton (talk) 05:31, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Norwich Market

• ... that in the 16th century people convicted of sedition had their ears nailed to the pillory in Norwich Market, and when their pillory time was completed their ears were cut off?

5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Good work as always. AGF on offline sources, which appear to be of high quality. Length and date of expansion are also fine. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 19:06, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Salt industry in Syracuse, New York

• ... that until the end of the 19th century, the bulk of the salt used in the United States came from salt producers in Syracuse, New York?

Created by Nconwaymicelli (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 12:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have left a note on the author's usertalkpage to remind him/her to avoid close paraphrasing. If there's no improvements in the article within the next week or so, please disregard this nomination. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I hope this is good enough improvement in the eyes of those who really want to avoid close paraphrasing. --PFHLai (talk) 04:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

List of incidents of grave disorder in the British House of Commons

• ... that grave disorder has broken out 27 times in the House of Commons since 1902, including mass brawls, organised disruption, and things being thrown from the gallery?

Created by User:Sam Blacketer (talk). Self nom at 10:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Lists need 1500 characters of prose to meet DYK requirements. Would it be possible to manage this? SmartSE (talk) 20:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
  • You could start by linking it to the rules for the televisation of Parliament in the event of grave disorder. Uncle G (talk) 03:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

The Shadows (EP), The Shadows to the Fore, Spotlight on The Shadows, The Boys (The Shadows EP)

• ... that the eponymous extended play by The Shadows, The Shadows to the Fore, Spotlight on The Shadows and The Boys all were number-one EPs in the UK?

Created by Rambo's Revenge (talk). Self nom at 00:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1972 Winter Olympics

• ... that a malfunctioning starting gate at the luge venue during the men's doubles event at the 1972 Winter Olympics in Sapporo would lead to the only tie in Olympic luge history?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 20:48, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1... that a reserve luge venue was constructed for the 1972 Winter Olympics in Sapporo, but was never used in actual competition? Chris (talk) 20:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Belvedere, United States Virgin Islands and Sugar production in the United States Virgin Islands

• ... that Belvedere, one of the historical centres of Sugar production in the United States Virgin Islands, contains a villa hotel which has been converted from an old sugar mill?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 14:14, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Allan J. Kuethe

• ... that Allan J. Kuethe, an historian of Latin American studies, worked to establish the Texas Tech University Center in Seville, Spain?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• This current version of the article looks like it includes the biographies of two different people. That can't be good. - PM800 (talk) 11:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Material has been rearranged. Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah, I guess so; however, that long paragraph on his wife is still there, and that's just cheating. Minus that, there are 1,744 characters of prose. But that's not all. You also included irrelevant clauses like "an honor named for the first president of Texas Tech" and "an authority on the history of Texas"; these are describing other people, not Kuethe. "With his doctorate in hand" and "published by the American Council of Learned Societies" are also superfluous. You spelled out his children's names even though they all have the same last name. I just think you're trying too hard. - PM800 (talk) 18:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

St Swithun's Church, Worcester

• ... that St Swithun's Church, Worcester (pictured), is described as "one of the best preserved examples of an early Georgian church in England"?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 18:42, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• (checked using DYKcheck) Meets all of the requirements. --Dylan620 01:52, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
• It's someone's opinion, and it's someone's vague and woolly opinion, at that. Only "one of" the best? It's stated in the article in the passive voice, too, so it's not even clear whose opinion this is, or why it matters. A more interesting, and factual hook would be — say — the archaelogical conclusion that the church was founded on the line of a Saxon defensive ditch. Uncle G (talk) 02:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• It's perfectly clear that it is the opinion of the Churches Conservation Trust. By all means propose an ALT hook, but please do it in the normal way. Johnbod (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks, Johnbod, you beat me to it. This is not the opinion of a single person, but the reason given by the CCT for taking this church into its care, explained in a paper written on behalf of the CCT. For those who do not know it, the CCT is an authoritative body established to authorise payment of money from the Government and the Church of England to conserve and find alternative uses for redundant churches. If you really want to learn more have a look here and follow the links in the panel on the left. (Now if it said it was "the best", that would be controversial!) I've not managed to find the Saxon ditch in the sources; perhaps you could advise.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Hinomoto Oniko

• ... that Hinomoto Oniko is a moe anthropomorphism of an ethnic slur against Japanese created by 2channel users, themselves being Japanese?

Created by Dayfish (talk). 5x expanded by Benlisquare (talk). Nominated by Benlisquare (talk) at 15:51, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: "... that Hinomoto Oniko is a moe anthropomorphism of an ethnic slur created by 2channel users?" - use this one if it seems less confusing to the reader. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 15:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• if still quite vague, then perhaps add "(transforming it into/creating) a lovable character in an attempt to reverse negative connotations behind the slur?" to the end, or something to that effect. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 04:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Also a brief comment that I may not be able to participate in discussions in the next few days due to examinations; I'll try my best though. Others are certainly welcome to make decisions if I am unable to. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 15:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Nasrani Hagbah

• ... that the Nasrani Hagbah of the Syrian Malabar Nasrani people in Kerala South India consists of the unveiling of red curtain separating the holy of holies in the tradition of the ancient temple of Jerusalem?

Created by Robin klein (talk). Self nom at 11:25, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

James Greenway

• ... that American ornithologist James Greenway was so averse to large gatherings that he probably never attended a single professional meeting or congress in his life?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 11:11, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm a bit unsure of the "probably" in the hook, as it makes it sound a bit stupid, although this is what the source states... How about something based on "he avoided large gatherings like the plague"? The article has also been tagged with {{obituary}}, which needs to be resolved before it reaches the main page and if you can find any other sources that would be good too. SmartSE (talk) 20:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for the constructive suggestion. However, maybe I should just withdraw the nomination or let it lapse. I would happily leave out the 'probably' if possible, or go with your alternate. I found it very difficult to obtain other sources that give any useful extra details about his life; he seems to have been a very reclusive person who kept his private life very private, and lived his professional life in the shadows. As for the 'obituary' tag, I think it misplaced in the circumstances, but it is not up to me to remove it. Maias (talk) 00:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1: … that when ornithologist James Greenway and one of his brothers were the first to land a plane on East Caicos in the Turks and Caicos Islands, the children were let out of school for the occasion. Maias (talk) 11:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Stark's Knob

• ... that although it is thought that Stark's Knob originated in the Connecticut River Valley, it lies next to the Hudson River, over sixty miles away?

5x expanded by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 04:30, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the upthrust of Stark's Knob has been studied using snails in pillows? Le Deluge (talk) 11:52, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've been looking into the sources cited in the article and also scientific papers about this site, and I'm not convinced that the first hook is exactly true. Additionally, the article doesn't mention the 60 mile distance from the Connecticut River Valley. As for ALT1, I scrossed out the upthrust part because Stark's Knob is not an upthrust; the rest of the hook is sort of supported by sources (if you consider gastropod fossils to be "snails" and pillow lava to be "pillows") but I think it's excessively cute and deceptive. I think there's an interesting and non-deceptive hook to be extracted from this article, but I don't yet know what it is going to be. --Orlady (talk) 01:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you that the second one sounds weird because it sounds like something that would be appropriate on an April Fools Day run. If nothing else appears boosting my statement anytime soon, I can whip up another hook. I will though ax the mile thing as it is a bit of unintentional original research on my part. Kevin Rutherford (talk)

:Lay is transitive: that means it requires an object. Corrected to lies--Wetman (talk) 05:42, 7 November 2010 (UTC)`

• An upthrust is not a structure, it's a process, in this case the process that has moved these rocks from below sea level to high on land, so I've removed the strikeout. And individual structures within a marine lava are called "pillows", there's no "consider" about it. Just IMO Orlady, I think you need to relax a bit on the hooks - these are the equivalent of newspaper headlines to pique people's interest and get them to click through and read a shiny new article on a subject they would normally not look at. A "dry" hook like the original might showcase the article to 2000 people, something more eyecatching might get 10,000 or 20,000. I think Ktr101's hard work deserves to be showcased to as many people as possible, and that means using common names like "snails" in the hook, if people care about the detail as much as you do, the article will clarify that the term is referring to Ordovician fossils. However I note that the reference talks about snails rather than gastropods, Orlady you really shouldn't make things up that aren't in the references.... <g> Ktr101 - quirky hooks aren't just for April Fools, WP:DYK/A J7 positively encourages a quirky in every DYK run but now you mention it, ALT1 might well be suitable for the kudos of a April Fool DYK. This is a good thing. Le Deluge (talk) 10:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• You will note that I said that I have been reading scientific publications about Stark's knob, with the intent of adding additional sources to the article. The "geology" fact sheet that is cited in the article appears to have been written by someone (probably a professional PR person) who didn't fully understand the topic; I say that because it doesn't make sense from a technical perspective. As for "upthrust," you will not find the term "upthrust" in the Misplaced Pages articles thrust fault and thrust tectonics because it's not a valid term, nor a technically correct description of the nature of thrust faulting. The sense of movement in thrust faulting is primarily lateral, not upward. --Orlady (talk) 18:30, 7 November 2010 (UTC) As for relaxing my standards on hooks, please note that I have been reviewing hooks here (on-again, off-again) for nearly 3 years, and I happen to believe that it is important to try to maintain quality here. You might note that DYK has been under attack recently due to the perception that reviewers have not been maintaining standards. --Orlady (talk) 18:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• I said "relax", as opposed to "relax your standards" - there's a difference... You may have been reading around the subject, but you would be the first to complain about stuff in a hook that wasn't mentioned and reffed in an article. I think you've just made the point that "snail" is the WP:COMMONNAME for "shelly gastropod", and it's certainly a common shorthand used by the pros (eg Niles Eldredge of a Silurian species), and hooks should use common language where possible. Since you regard presence in Wikimedia projects as some kind of benchmark, I would draw your attention to wikt:upthrust; alternatively the geological sense is the only meaning of the word in my OED, first recorded in 1846. It's more of a field geology term than something to be used when talking about regional processes, it's certainly in common use in the field, because vertical movement of something that was below sea level is much more evident than a lateral movement that is potentially much greater in size. Given that we're talking about the history of a specific rock in the field, "upthrust" seems appropriate in this context.Le Deluge (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Upthrust could be linked to thrust tectonics and snail should probably be linked to gastropod and pillow needs to be linked to pillow lava, I think. However, the snails are only used for dating the rocks, it's the shape of the pillows that has been used to understand the geometry of the upthrust block. If you want to keep the snails, how about

:*ALT2 ... that the history of the upthrust Stark's Knob has been studied using pillows and the snails found inside them? Mikenorton (talk) 11:09, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• The study of the upthrust process includes both its geometry and its timing, and the snails put a fundamental boundary on the latter - it could not have happened in the Cambrian for instance. So there's no need to include "history". To be honest, I think it's a mistake to overlink a hook like ALT1/2 that relies on its ambiguity to pique readers' curiosity. Linking to gastropod won't give much away, but linking to pillow lava and thrust tectonics will reduce the number of clickthroughs to the new article - which is the whole aim of DYK. Too many wikilinks reduce the hookiness of this style of hook.Le Deluge (talk) 19:13, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• You're right Le Deluge, the age of the lavas is a key piece of evidence telling us that this a thrust sheet, I thought about that the moment I woke up this morning, so yes we can lose history. I'm not sure that I agree about linking in the hook, I probably tend to link anything that I think that the average reader won't understand, but I see your point as well. Mikenorton (talk) 00:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Actually Le Deluge, I find that being ambiguous causes more people to go to the article because they try to figure out what the hook is all about, but that is just my opinion. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• @Kevin, you're agreeing with me, I'm saying that ambiguity is good for clickthroughs, but wikilinking terms other than the target article can reduce the ambiguity and hence reduce clickthroughs. @Mike - if you're dreaming about DYK hooks, it's probably time to take a wikibreak! <g> The average reader can always use wikilinks within the article even if they're not in the hook.Le Deluge (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so now that the debate is over, what hook should be used? One is scientific, and two has good humor and intrigue. Number three just sounds a bit off in my opinion. I'm all for the first two though since one is intriguing while the other is intriguing and funny at the same time. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• I like the original and ALT1 hooks, but not ALT2. cmadler (talk) 15:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think that ALT1 is fine after discussion and better than the original, so I've struck through my ALT2, which I added to solve a problem that I no longer think exists. Mikenorton (talk) 11:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Royal Lichtenstein Quarter-Ring Sidewalk Circus

• ... that the Royal Lichtenstein Quarter-Ring Sidewalk Circus was a street theatre troupe that toured the United States between 1971 and 1993 that was also a ministry of the California Jesuits?

Created by Dgabbard (talk). Self nom at 03:06, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the Royal Lichtenstein Quarter-Ring Sidewalk Circus was a street theatre troupe and also a ministry of the California Jesuits? Comte0 (talk) 06:39, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that the Royal Lichtenstein Quarter-Ring Sidewalk Circus, self-described as the "world's smallest circus", was a "pre-evangelical" ministry of the California Jesuits? cmadler (talk) 19:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT3... that the Royal Lichtenstein Quarter-Ring Sidewalk Circus was a ministry of the California Jesuits?
• Creation and length are fine, could do with breaking into sections and things like the 1971-1993 thing are not reffed at present. I think we kinda get the street theatre thing from the name, so no need to repeat it in the hook, you might be able to have a play with things like the monkey. Le Deluge (talk) 21:11, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 3 succinctly sums up the interesting aspect of its purpose, so I am OK with that being the DYK. I did add some reffs to the article for the dates (1975 newspaper article speaks of it being 4th year and 1971-1993 is mentioned in comments to one performer's article on what life being in the circus was like) and broke it up into sections. When Weber's memoir is published a lot more of the details will be easier to pin down. Dgabbard (talk) 22:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 7

Methoxyflurane

• ... that the Penthrox inhaler is a disposable device that allows self-administration of methoxyflurane as an emergency analgesic?

5x expanded by DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 04:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've made a couple of small tweaks to the chemical aspects of the article, which is (IMO) an impressive x5 expansion. However, I do have a concern about the hook in that it seems focused on the inhaler rather than the analgesic, and the article says the substance was used in this way until about 1974, so it isn't current (which the hook implies). On a quick look, the article appears suitable (haven't done a proper check, though) but the hook needs some work. PS: Removed "example" image. PPS: Misread, striking current use comment, suggesting ALT1 with a better focus (IMO) on the substance.

(ALT1): ... that methoxyflurane is an emergency analgesic self-administered with a disposable Penthrox inhaler?

EdChem (talk) 10:38, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your helpful edits, EdChem. I like your (ALT1) hook better, as it does a better job of focusing the reader on the drug (methoxyflurane) than on the inhaler. DiverDave (talk) 12:39, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I was quite surprised to read that this drug came from the Manhattan Project. I would never associate such a pharmacological agent with nuclear bombs. Would this make the hook more "hooky"? --PFHLai (talk) 17:19, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

We need more information though. Why was it made as part of the project? How was it found and made? Etc., etc. Can you add this to the article? Ed  17:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't, as I don't know. I want to read about it and I was kind of hoping that the author of the article can enlighten me on this. But if we don't have this in the article, we shouldn't mention it on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 06:23, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Stanford marshmallow experiment

• ... that a study by Stanford psychologist Walter Mischel showed that children who could delay eating a marshmallow for 15 minutes at the age of 4, scored 210 points higher in the SAT test than their peers who could not?

Created by Hongkongresident (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook source checked. - PM800 (talk) 01:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
• … but even elementary arithmetic reveals a problem with the facts presented in the article. There is more than 14, or even 18, years between "the 1960s" and 1990, the publication date of the paper by Schoda, Mischel, and Peake. The problem here is the poor sourcing. Consult the actual paper, and you'll find that the initial study was in 1972, not "the 1960s" as third-hand pop-psychology sources put it, and that there were in fact two followup studies, one "more than 10 years later" (published in 1988) and a larger one three years after that (published in 1990). And no, the figure 210 occurs nowhere in the actual paper, and that's not really the result of the latter study as published at all (which was in fact a statistical correlation). Uncle G (talk) 03:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I understand that you're trying to help, but do you really have to be that aggressive about it? Your condescending tone was not constructive. I can sympathise that you've been stressed after arguing with Physchim on DYK talk, but please don't transfer that stress on to me, or any of the other nominators. I assumed, with good faith, that the New Yorker article was accurate, since they're generally known for having high editorial standards, and they did directly interview Mischel. I made an honest mistake, but I find your tone, however unintentional, highly inappropriate.--hkr (talk) 05:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Apparently he does have to be that agressive, but where are we with the hook? Johnbod (talk) 16:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I guess we might have to look into this a little further. - PM800 (talk) 16:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• The problem was that I wasn't able to find the study online, so I only had secondary sources (reliable ones!) to go by. Regardless, ALT 2:that a follow-up study by Stanford psychologist Walter Mischel showed that that the ability of a child to delay eating a marshmallow for 15 minutes at the age of 4, correlated with higher SAT test scores years later?--hkr (talk) 21:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I've been provided with the follow-up study, correcting the dates in the article as I speak.--hkr (talk) 21:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

The dates have been corrected. The article is ready to go.--hkr (talk) 22:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

As an aside, I found out where the number for the correlation comes from: Jonah Lehrer provided the number in a radio show (8:20), where he was being interviewed alongside Mischel. It's possible that when Lehrer interviewed Mischel (not in the radio show, but earlier on, for a book), Mischel provided an estimate, and Lehrer assumed that was the exact number. The lesson is, even with secondary sources, one should not be so trusting of journalists. ;) --hkr (talk) 23:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Condemnation Act

• ... that in United States v. Carmack in 1946, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the federal government's power under the Condemnation Act to exercise eminent domain over land owned by a state?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 23:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Palo y hueso

• ... that Palo y hueso was Nicolás Sarquís' first feature-length movie, shot in 1968 and costing just $15,715 to make?

• Comment: Thanks to Uncle G for the hook

5x expanded by Aymatth2 (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Bah! A likely story. Any hook that I would have supplied would have had a suspiciously round number — like, say, 5,500,000 peso — in it. And I'd have a supporting source that said "Palo y hueso, filmado en 1966" or something. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 22:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• Expansion, date, and hook verified. I'm somewhat confused by the fact that the hook sentence in the article mentions that the film was done in black and white, but (as far as I can tell) this is not mentioned in the reference given. Also, this looks like a great candidate for a double hook considering how short Nicolás Sarquís is. I may try expanding it myself if no one else gives it a shot. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 01:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• I added a second ref from elsewhere in the article to cover "black and white". Not sure how that happened. I am off on a different track, but agree that Nicolás Sarquís could use expansion, and 5x should not be difficult if you care to do it. He was quite prolific Aymatth2 (talk) 19:48, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Lefty Satan Flynn

• ... that Lefty Satan Flynn was born Selvin Campbell and nicknamed His Satanic Majesty?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at FruitMonkey (talk) 22:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Hub Hart

• ... that James "Hub" Hart was the best catcher in college baseball at the same time that he was an All-American for football?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 00:34, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• "best" seems PEACOCK-ish to me. --PFHLai (talk) 10:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Geoffrey Crawley

• ... that Arthur Conan Doyle used photos of the Cottingley Fairies (pictured) to prove the existence of supernatural entities, though an analysis of the images by Geoffrey Crawley showed that they were a hoax?

Created by Bongomatic (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Well, yes, since our featured article on the Cottingley Fairies has said that since at least May 2010. There's a whole discussion on Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know going on right now about re-use of old content for DYK padding. Is there a hook here that introduces something new? Uncle G (talk) 22:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• • That the hook in a DYK has to say something that no other WP article already says is a totally novel idea. If you think that should be introduced, try suggesting it on the talk page. Johnbod (talk) 02:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
    • "novel idea"? The idea that hooks are new information is not only implicit in the question "Did you know?" but is even addressed in the very first bullet point in the hook content section of the DYK guide. Newness is also the very first of the selection criteria. "novel idea" my foot. Uncle G (talk) 02:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
      • You are confusing new articles with new hook facts. There is nothing about the latter in the relevant section of the rules. The fact that some people do know is neither here nor there so long as the great majority won't. Johnbod (talk) 02:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
        • You are deforming the fairly clear rules, and indeed oft-declared purpose of DYK, to get them to admit something that they clearly do not. The section that you just linked to states "novelty or newness" outright as minima above which more is required, for starters. Uncle G (talk) 03:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
• The hook could probably be better. How about something along the lines of "... that Geoffrey Crawley proved that the famous "Cottingley Fairies" images (one example pictured) were fakes." Physchim62 (talk) 02:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
  • That does not address his point I think. He objects to the fairies being included at all, as the FA has already covered the matter. Johnbod (talk) 02:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
    • I stated what I actually objected to right at the top. Re-read that after re-reading the rules that you just linked to. ☺ You're right that stating the same fact, that isn't actually new, in a different way does not fix the problem. I refer you both back to the question asked right at the top, too. You haven't answered it. Uncle G (talk) 03:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
      • I think I have very clearly said that the hook fact is not new to WP, but that does not matter. Johnbod (talk) 04:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
        • Now re-read what I actually asked, and answer that instead. Uncle G (talk) 14:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
          • I may be mistaken (and if so, please point me to the specific rule) but I do not believe that DYK has any requirement that the hook fact be new to Misplaced Pages. The qualifying article must be new or 5x expanded. If content was copied/spun off from a pre-existing article to form a new article, the new article must be a 5x expansion on the pre-existing content. Was there another issue/concern raised that I'm not seeing? cmadler (talk) 15:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
            • There is no requirement that a hook fact must be new to Misplaced Pages. I don't know where he got that idea. Ed  18:44, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

The article that was in essence co-written by User:Bongomatic and I was based on the available sources from The New York Times (see here), The Daily Telegraph (see here) and the British Journal of Photography (see here all discuss Crawley's life story largely in the context of the Cottingley Fairies. Not only does the content of the obituaries focus on Crawley's role in debunking the Fairy story as a hoax, but the titles of the articles "Geoffrey Crawley, 83, Dies; Gently Deflated a Fairy Hoax" (from The New York Times), "Geoffrey Crawley, who has died aged 83, was a scientific journalist specialising in photography and in 1982 exposed the world's longest-running photographic hoax – the myth of the so-called Cottingley Fairies." (at The Daily Telegraph) and "Geoffrey Crawley, a former BJP editor, photographic inventor, author, and the man who uncovered the world's longest-running photographic hoax has died" (from the BJP) all make clear that Crawley's role in debunking the fairy story is the integral aspect of his life story. The article about Crawley is based on the sources provided and the fact that there is overlap with the Cottingley Fairies article is inevitable, given that Crawley is best known for his scientific analysis of the cameras used and the images that were generated in perpetuating the hoax. The fact that the Cottingley Fairies article is a featured article that appeared several months ago had no role in the creation of this article and the overlap is both inevitable and coincidental, and there was no material taken from the Cottingley Fairies article to "pad" the Geoffrey Crawley article. It thus should come as no surprise that when writing a hook about Geoffrey Crawley, that aspects of the Cottingley Fairies story were included. I'm sure that a hook could be written about Crawley that focuses on some biographical fact unrelated to the Cottingley Fairies but there appears to be no reason to do so. I see no reason that the hook should not be approved based on DYK rules. Alansohn (talk) 16:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article meets requirements for newness, length, and sourcing. Both suggested hooks are confirmed by reliable online sources (NY Times and Telegraph). I see no problems for DYK with this one. I find the original hook a little more interesting, though it might be reworded a little. cmadler (talk) 17:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Agreed, original is better. Ed  18:44, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Two-Timing Touch and Broken Bones

• ... that it was suggested for The Hives to rename their 2004 hit to "too dumb, and Dutch and broken bones"?

5x expanded by Theornamentalist (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Mad in America

• ... that Mad in America (Thorazine pictured) was a 2002 critique of psychiatry written by American journalist Robert Whitaker?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk), SusanLesch (talk), Tijfo098 (talk). Self nom at 13:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that a review of Mad in America (Thorazine pictured) said that the book "looks as if it were commissioned by Scientologists"?

Tricky as a little controversial, but most straightforward hook. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that according to Mad in America, money from pharmaceutical companies began to flow to the American Medical Association in 1951, the year after the first antipsychotic drug (Thorazine pictured) was synthesized?
• ALT3:... that Mad in America says because of the Durham-Humphrey Amendment, money from pharmaceutical companies began to flow to the American Medical Association in 1951, the year after the first antipsychotic drug (Thorazine pictured) was synthesized?

Too long. Try again.

• ALT4: ... that Mad in America says because of a 1951 law, money from drug companies began to flow to American physicians when the first antipsychotic drug (Thorazine pictured) was synthesized?

Umm..not the same thing. American Medical Association =/= American Physicians. All these are pretty controversial and the wording would have to be pretty careful. ALT3 probably best but too wordy. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Secunderabad Clock Tower

• ... that the Secunderabad Clock Tower (pictured), which was inaugurated in 1897, was erected in the honor of the progress made by the British officers posted at the Secunderabad Cantonment?

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 13:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Victor Stolan

• ... that Victor Stolan after reading articles by Julian Huxley on the disappearance of Africa's wildlife wrote to him with "the germ of the idea" that led to the World Wildlife Fund?

Created by LittleHow (talk). Self nom at 04:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've removed the non-free image which is not allowed on any other page (especially the main page) due to non-free content criteria. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 12:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

First and Second Battle of Wonju

• ... that French Battalion's bayonet charges at the Battle of Wonju impressed General Ridgway to encouraged all American units to conduct bayonet fighting during the Korean War?

Created by Jim101 (talk). Self nom at 03:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Adriatic Croatia International Club

• ... that with 21 marinas along the Croatian coast ACI Club is the single largest marina chain in the Mediterranean?

Created by Timbouctou (talk). Self nom at 03:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that ACI Club is the single largest marina chain in the Mediterranean? Timbouctou 07:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Monadnock Building

• ... that the staircases in the 1891 Monadnock Building in Chicago (pictured) were the first use of aluminum in a building?

5x expanded by Nasty Housecat (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Second use in architecture in America, according to this - possibly a reference to the tip of the 1884 Washington Monument? I guess it depends on your definition of a "building", it's still interesting though. Le Deluge (talk) 17:06, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• That's correct. The source refers it as the second architectural use of aluminum, the first being the tip of the Washington Monument (see p. 84). The Monadnock is significant in its use of that then exotic metal in the actual construction of a building, hence the wording. If more clarity is called for, perhaps "first interior use of aluminum in a building" would do it. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 03:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Jo-Jo Morrisey

• ... that prior to the 1933 Cincinnati Reds season, a newspaper reported that Jo-Jo Morrissey "developed amazingly" yet he was fifth in the league in errors and batted .230

Created by Secret (talk). Self nom at 20:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Deorbit of Mir

• ... that during deorbit of Mir space station the New Zealand authorities issued international warnings to ships and aircraft travelling in the South Pacific?

Created by Twilight Chill (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• The lead was copied from Mir#Final days and deorbit and the article is not 5x expanded from that, so I'm not sure if this is eligible for DYK. SmartSE (talk) 20:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Those are major details, it's not possible to write something different. But even without lead the article is long enough (about 2,200 prose characters) and the hook doesn't come from the lead. Twilightchill t 21:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
    • I don't think that counts as "new" per WP:DYK/A A5. If the text was copied and then 5x expanded it would be eligible, but it hasn't been. Can someone else check me on this? SmartSE (talk) 14:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
      • SmartSE is correct. When an article is created from or incorporates pre-existing prose from another article, it must be 5x expanded. (See A5.) It appears to me that the pre-existing prose is 700 characters, so a 5x expansion would be 3500 characters. The article is currently at 3158 characters of readable prose, so a little more expansion is still needed. (Sorry, forgot to sign. cmadler (talk) 18:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC))

Crumblin' Down

• ... that John Cougar Mellencamp's top-ten hit "Crumblin' Down" was partially inspired by his cousin losing his job as an electrical engineer?

Created by 28bytes (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that "Crumblin' Down" was John Cougar Mellencamp's first single released with his real last name?

William Austin Burt, typographer, solar compass, equatorial sextant

• ... that William Austin Burt was the first to invent a workable typewriter in America, as well as a workable solar compass (pictured), a non-magnetic dependant surveying instrument, and an equatorial sextant, a precision navigational aid to determine with one observation the location of a ship at sea?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 17:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Note that this is a Four-in-One hook.

ALT1: ... that William Austin Burt was the first to invent a workable typewriter in America, as well as a workable solar compass (pictured), an astronomical dependant surveying instrument, and an equatorial sextant, a precision navigational aid to determine with one observation the location of a ship at sea?

ALT2: ... that William Austin Burt was the first to invent a workable typewriter in America, as well as a workable solar compass (pictured), a solar use surveying instrument, and an equatorial sextant, a precision navigational aid to determine with one observation the location of a ship at sea?

• Comment: Very impressive! I can tell you've been busy. One tip: the images in the article Typographer look sloppy (particularly near the references section). Might want to fix them! Thanks, Ruby2010 (talk) 06:37, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Luis Daoiz de Torres

Man in blue tunic and white breeches of the Spanish artillery officers uniform of the Napoleonic era

• ... that Luis Daoiz de Torres (pictured), one of the leaders of the Dos de Mayo Uprising in 1808 has ancestors who fought for Spain since the 13th century?

• ALT1:... that on 2 May 1808 Luis Daoiz de Torres (pictured) held off 2,000 French troops for three hours with just 120 Spanish soldiers and civilians?
• ALT2:... that Captain Luis Daoiz de Torres (pictured) refused orders to hand over his barracks to French troops during the Dos de Mayo Uprising and was killed in the ensuing attack?

Created by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 15:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Kjeld Rimberg

• ... that when Kjeld Rimberg resigned after thirteen months as CEO of the Norwegian State Railways, he cited political regulations as the reason?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 15:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Failed to grab my attention. Lots of people resign public sector jobs for lots of reasons, and the high profile stuff like this is likely to be the things that yes, the target readership did actually know already. Why not a hook about the ski instructor job? That's something that people probably do not know. Uncle G (talk) 02:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

2001 NBDL Draft, 2006 NBA Development League Expansion Draft, 2001 NBDL Supplemental Draft

• ... that four players selected in both the 2001 NBDL Draft and 2006 NBA Development League Expansion Draft had also previously been picked in NBA Drafts, while Kaniel Dickens was the only All-Star to come out of the 2001 NBDL Supplemental Draft?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 04:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

My Idiot Brother

• ... that the upcoming film My Idiot Brother went into production unusually quickly for an independent film, with a first cut to be completed less than a year after the script was written?

5x expanded by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 07:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Ayame Koike

• ... that Ayame Koike was one of three receivers of the Judges' Special Acting Award from the Japan Movie Critics Awards in recognition of their performance in Always Zoku Sanchōme no Yūhi?

Created by Ike-bana (talk). Self nom at 11:20, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• "receivers"? How about "winners" or "recipients"? --PFHLai (talk) 04:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Mm, yes, I think recipients would be better. Thank you. --生け花 10:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Ayame Koike was one of three recipients of the Judges' Special Acting Award from the Japan Movie Critics Awards in recognition of their performance in Always Zoku Sanchōme no Yūhi?

1962–63 Ashes series

• ...the Reverend David Sheppard took a sabbatical from his East End Mission for the MCC tour of Australia in 1962-63, making a century to win the Second Test at Melbourne and preaching to packed cathedrals from Perth to Brisbane?

Created by Philip Jelley (talk). Self nom at 10:30, 11 November 2010 (GMT)

Ted Dexter

Melbourne Cricket Ground and 1956 Olympic Stadium

• ... that in 1962 the England cricket captain Ted Dexter hit a ball out of the 120,000 seat Melbourne Cricket Ground, a feat previously thought impossible?

Created by Philip Jelley (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 14 November 2010 (GMT)

Shake It Up (TV series)

• ... that Disney Channel veteran Selena Gomez (pictured) sings the theme song for the new Disney series, Shake It Up'?

5x expanded by Candyo32 (talk). Nominated by Candyo32 (talk) at 02:27, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Thyrotoxic periodic paralysis

• ... that an overactive thyroid gland can cause attacks of paralysis, particularly in young men of Chinese and Japanese origin?

Created by Jfdwolff (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Jengki style

• ... that Jengki style was a 1950's Indonesian architectural style based on the newly independent country's shift from Dutch to American architectural influences?

Created by Merbabu (talk). Self nom at 13:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 8

Jæren Line, Jæren Commuter Rail, Paradis Station, Mariero Station, Jåttåvågen Station, Gausel Station

• ... that when part of the Jæren Line was upgraded to double track in 2009, the Jæren Commuter Rail received four new stations: Paradis, Mariero, Jåttåvågen and Gausel (pictured)?

Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 22:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

California Voting Rights Act

• ... that the California Voting Rights Act makes it easier for minority groups in California to prove that their votes are being diluted in "at-large" elections?

5x expanded by ClaireStum (talk). Self nom at 14:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Karen Human Rights Group

• ... that the Karen Human Rights Group trains and equips local people to document villagers' stories and gathers evidence of human rights abuses?

Created by Jysg23 (talk). Self nom at 03:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• The creator of this article has self nominated their project creation for DYK inclusion. The user is a member of the pilot program Misplaced Pages:Ambassadors and the failure to nominate this article within 5 days is a consequence of their being a new contributor. As an ambassador of this program, I ask, if it is possible, please excuse this tardy entry and vet it under your remaining criteria. Thank you for considering this request.My76Strat 04:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Louis Ayres

• ... that Louis Ayres designed the chapel (pictured) at the Meuse-Argonne American Cemetery and Memorial in France?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 23:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

The Jacquier and Securius Bank

• ... that the Jewish owners of the German The Jacquier and Securius Bank were forced to relinquish control by the Nazi government?

Created by Odenhem (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 17:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: student project (see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Theorizing Culture and Politics fall 2010). Major work done in late October, but still being tweaked by the student, I suggest using the latest edit date (Nov 8) as the creation (finalization) date. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Braye Harbour and Saint Anne, Alderney

• ... that Braye Harbour (pictured), to the north of Saint Anne, Alderney has one of the longest harbour walls in Europe?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk) and Rosietep (talk)Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 13:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char . 14:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Those two hook references cannot be used because the sites take information from Misplaced Pages. - PM800 (talk) 18:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Source has been removed. The other source should be OK.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• No, that source is not OK. At the bottom of the page, in small print, it says: "Some data may have been obtained from the Braye Harbour page on Misplaced Pages and used under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License." - PM800 (talk) 18:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Can I make changes with minor editing and convert into two hooks for the individual articles.-- N.V.V. Char . 05:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)?

Mount Whaleback mine

• ... that the Mount Whaleback mine at Newman, Western Australia, is the biggest single-pit open-cut iron ore mine in the world?

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 12:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Moss Eccles Tarn

• ... that the "strange, flat-bottomed boat" in which Beatrix Potter rowed on Moss Eccles Tarn (pictured) is now housed in the Windermere Steamboat Museum?

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 11:20, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• All checks out. Miyagawa (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

George J. Geis and Kutkai

• ... that American Baptist missionary George J. Geis was working at the Kachin Bible Training School he had established in Kutkai at the time of his death in 1936?

Created by Aymatth2 (talk) and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 10:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

World War II Allied names for Japanese aircraft

• ... that during World War II, when a new model of the Mitsubishi 'Zero' (pictured) received its American code name, the prominent general it was named after wasn't very amused?

Created by Cla68 (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 01:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Offline reference accepted in good faith. Miyagawa (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1972 Summer Olympics

• ... that a 25 km (16 mi) stretch of the German Autobahn near Munich served as the venue for the cycling road team time trial event at the 1972 Summer Olympics?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 15:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

St Matthew's Church, Langford

• ... that St Matthew's Church, Langford, Oxfordshire, England has two Saxon carved stone reliefs of the crucifixion of Christ), and that in one of them Christ's left and right arms have been swapped over?

Created by Motacilla (talk). Self nom at 12:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Lloyd Morain

• ... that philanthropist Lloyd Morain read palms in Hollywood before a career as a utilities executive, and, uniquely, served two terms as president of the American Humanist Association?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 08:56, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Było sobie miasteczko...

• ... that the murder of worshipers in Kysylyn during the massacres of Poles in Volhynia became the subject of a 2009 historical documentary film for Telewizja Polska?

Created by FoliesTrévise (talk). Self nom at 01:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Paul H. Carlson

• ... that Paul H. Carlson, historian of the American West, once likened the cowboy to a "symbolic yardstick against which modern men might measure their own manhood"?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT1:... that the historian Paul H. Carlson wrote the revisionist biography of the Spanish-American War General William Rufus Shafter?

ALT2:... that historian Paul H. Carlson co-authored a revisionist study of the 1860 capture of Cynthia Ann Parker, seized by the Comanche in 1836, when she was a young girl?

Leavenworth Nutcracker Museum

• ... that the curator of the Leavenworth Nutcracker Museum in Washington studied ballet under Russian prima ballerina Alexandra Danilova?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 23:01, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Fernando Osorio

• ... that singer-songwriter Fernando Osorio wrote the last song recorded by Cuban performer Celia Cruz?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 22:08, 8 November 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 22:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

NU 107

• ... that the Metro Manila radio station NU 107's program In the Raw was created as response to President Corazon Aquino's executive order of at least three Original Pilipino Music tracks per hour?

• Comment: Plenty of people (not just me) expanded the article since November 4.

5x expanded by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 19:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

All Saints Church, Billesley

• ... that in All Saints Church, Billesley, Warwickshire, (pictured) is a 12th-century carved stone probably depicting a Harrowing of Hell?

• ALT1:... that there is a tradition that William Shakespeare married Anne Hathaway in All Saints Church, Billesley, Warwickshire, (pictured), but this cannot be confirmed?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

St Peter's Church, Adderley

• ... that St Peter's Church, Adderley, Shropshire, (pictured) is divided into two parts, the nave being used as a parish church, and the rest preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust?

• ALT1:... that the font in St Peter's Church, Adderley, Shropshire, (pictured) has an inscription in Latin which translates as "Here wickedly the first man enjoyed the apple with his wife"?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Cuauhtémoc, D.F.

• ... that as many as 5 million people per day come into the Cuauhtémoc borough of Mexico City to work, shop or visit its cultural and historic sites?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 13:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

2009 NBA Development League Expansion Draft

• ... that the entire 2009 NBA Development League Expansion Draft took place via teleconference?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on November 9

Edorian McCullough

• ... that Edorian McCullough twice won the Texas high school 100 meter championship and later played for the Frankfurt Galaxy in World Bowl XV?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Mikhail Beketov

• ... that Mikhail Beketov, a Russian journalist who has opposed the construction of the Moscow – Saint Petersburg motorway, was beaten up my unknown assailants in November 2008, leaving him wheelchair-bound?

Created by Malick78 (talk). Self nom at 14:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Revolutionary Nationalist Leftwing Movement - 20th Century

• ... that in 1984 dissident technocrats of the Siles Zuazo cabinet founded a 'revolutionary' political party of their own?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 00:13, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Howard Van Hyning

• ... that New York City Opera percussionist Howard Van Hyning bought a set of 13 gongs that had been originally commissioned by Puccini for use in performances of the opera Turandot?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Monastery of Saint Anthony

• ... that the Monastery of Saint Anthony, one of the world's oldest monasteries, was established by the followers of Saint Anthony, who is considered to be the first ascetic monk?

5x expanded by Luckbethislady (talk). Self nom at 06:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have rephrased the original hook to include the article name, but it needs further focusing and wikilinking. The major problem is that the prose expansion 10511/3011=3.5 is too far from required 5x. There are also some unreferenced paragraphs, and article needs to be brushed up for grammar and formatting. Materialscientist (talk) 07:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

2010–11 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season

• ... that Kalin Lucas repeated as preseason conference player of the year prior to the 2010–11 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 02:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Matthew Kilroy (British Army soldier)

• ... that British Army soldier Matthew Kilroy was found guilty of manslaughter in the Boston Massacre?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 20:03, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Andriza Mircovich

• ... that Andriza Mircovich (pictured) became the only prisoner in Nevada to be executed by a shooting machine after the state prison warden was unable to find five men willing to form a firing squad?

Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 00:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook verified. Cool stuff! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Better phrasing ALT1: ... that when Andriza Mircovich (pictured) chose to be executed by shooting, prison officials were unable to find five men willing to participate in the firing squad, and had to build a shooting machine? DS (talk) 14:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that Andriza Mircovich (pictured) was shot by a machine that was built because Nevada State Prison officials were unable to find five marksmen willing to participate in a firing squad? KimChee (talk) 20:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• ALT3: ... that a machine was built to carry out the request of Andriza Mircovich (pictured) to be shot because prison officials could not find five marksmen willing to form a firing squad? KimChee (talk) 20:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

problem is, that version doesn't clearly indicate causation, and it's more interesting when you realize that they had to build a machine for it, instead of just dragging their old Automatic Prisoner-Shooting Device out of storage. DS (talk) 14:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Good point. I have updated ALT2 accordingly, though I do like your term "Automatic Prisoner-Shooting Device". KimChee (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have another article almost ready that can make this a double-nom. KimChee (talk) 20:58, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget to include the fact that Mircovich chose to be executed by shooting, otherwise there's the question of why didn't the prison just hang him. DS (talk) 12:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

In that case I'll have to scratch the double-nom idea as I don't think all that will fit under 200 characters. KimChee (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Tommy Brown (GM)

• ... that Tommy Brown was the only survivor from HMS Petard who boarded U-559 in order to retrieve documents which would later help break the Enigma code?

• ALT1:... that World War II canteen assistant Tommy Brown and two sailors boarded U-559 in order to retrieve documents which would later help break the Enigma code?
• ALT2:... that George Medal recipient Tommy Brown lied about his age in order to join the NAAFI during World War II?
• Comment: Not sure why the formatting is odd at the start of Alt2 - if someone could fix, I'd appreciate it. Miyagawa (talk) 00:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 00:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Consecration and entrustment to Mary

• ... that Saint Maximilian Kolbe was called the Apostle of Consecration to Mary?

Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 22:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Here is the link to: verify the hook. History2007 (talk) 23:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Homeland Security Grant Program

• ... that during the 2010 fiscal year, the Department of Homeland Security will spend $1,786,359,956 on the Homeland Security Grant Program?

Created by Kcahlber (talk). Self nom at 19:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've verified the hook, but the article isn't particularly neutral at the moment e.g. "Protecting the United States from terrorist threats is the founding principle and highest priority, which includes empowering Americans to live in a constant state of readiness rather than fear" can you try to rewrite this is a more neutral tone? e.g. "The main aim is to protect the United States from terrorist threats". There is also too much direct quoting for my liking, content should be new, in the OPSG section for example there is a 5 line quote. SmartSE (talk) 01:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
• Addressed the neutral language and a large amount of the quoting. I understand your concern about the quoting, but in some of the cases I believe it's necessary. Kcahlber (talk) 18:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Action for Rural Rejuvenation

• ... that the city of Columbus, Ohio felicitated Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev, for the social programs and activities conducted by Action for Rural Rejuvenation?

Created by Regstuff (talk). Self nom at 09:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Christopher Connor

• ... that Christopher Connor received total compensation of US$7,495,810 in 2009 in his role as CEO of the Sherwin-Williams Company?

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 03:24, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Pretty unintriguing hook to be sure. And do I sense a certain COI the nominator may want to clear up? Grsz 03:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• I find this highly fascinating. Few people earn this much money. Christopher Connor (talk) 05:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• I agree with Grsz that this hook is not interesting. "One of the 200 highest-paid CEOs in the United States" is not interesting in and of itself. The highest-paid could be interesting, as could a juxtaposition between exceptionally high pay and poor performance (as in the case of Carly Fiorina at HP). cmadler (talk) 14:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1. Christopher Connor (talk) 08:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

... that Christopher Connor, CEO of the Sherwin-Williams Company, donated US$1 million to his old high school when they held a campaign to celebrate its 40th anniversary?

• Can we have confirmation that there's no COI here? SlimVirgin 08:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Again, this is not an interesting hook. "CEO of major company donates money to his/her alma mater" is reasonably common and not really noteworthy. cmadler (talk) 15:33, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• In that case, this might just be one of those articles that doesn't have an interesting hook, though I'll have a look and try to find one. However, I happen to be particularly keen for this one to go up, so I hope some exception can be made to the "boring hook" rule. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  Chris, uninteresting hook is one problem, but there is another one. I do hope you simply found it interesting to create an article on a person who shares your username; but as he happens to be a businessman, I also hope you understand that this nomination will not go to the main page without a proper explanation. Materialscientist (talk) 09:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Lacking an interesting hook, I don't think this is going to go up. There seems to be an increased push right now to crack down on boring or mundane hooks, and these take the cake in that regard. cmadler (talk) 13:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I agree, combined with the possible COI concerns I don't think this should be featured on the main page. SmartSE (talk) 17:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• FYI - Discussion about conflict of interest, now taking place at Misplaced Pages:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Christopher_Connor. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 19:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Adenanthos dobagii, Melaleuca pulchella, Isopogon trilobus, Allocasuarina humilis

• ... that the rare Fitzgerald Woollybush is only known from three populations within the Fitzgerald River National Park?

• ... that the rare Fitzgerald Woollybush is found with the barrel cone bush, claw flower, and dwarf sheoak within the Fitzgerald River National Park?

Created by Hesperian (talk), Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 02:43, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Now a triple, trying to expand a fourth one too. Will bold when I have expanded sufficiently quadruple. 5x expanded Allocasuarina humilis. NB: DYK fact is on Adenanthos dobagii Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Denver Symphony Orchestra

• ... that the Denver Symphony Orchestra filed for bankruptcy in 1989?

Created by Muserjc (talk). Nominated by Seb az86556 (talk) at 09:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article qualifies for DYK, but I don't think this is an interesting hook. Can you suggest a better hook? cmadler (talk) 18:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

As the creator of the article, I think these are the most interesting simple points in the article:

• ALT1: ... that Sergei Prokofiev disappointed reviewers and himself when he performed with and conducted the Denver Symphony Orchestra in 1938?

or

• ALT2: ... that Saul Caston, Music Director of the Denver Symphony Orchestra from 1945 to 1964, had been Associate Conductor of the Philadelphia Orchestra under both Leopold Stokowski and Eugene Ormandy?

Thanks! Muserjc (talk) 22:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually I think a symphony orchestra going bankrupt is pretty quirky in its own right. Circéus (talk) 00:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

That was my thinking also; the other stuff seems a bit too wordy. Just saying. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 21:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Mehmed's first Albanian campaign

• ... that a series of diplomatic struggles between the major Mediterranean powers of the 15th century culminated in newly-crowned Mehmed II ordering his first invasion of Albania?

Created by User:Gaius Claudius Nero (talk). Self-nom at 02:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 10

First-tier Tribunal

• ... that the First-tier Tribunal in the United Kingdom hears cases on such diverse subjects as freedom of information, war pensions and operating licences for gambling companies?

Created by Dmvward (talk). Self nom at 00:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that the First-tier and Upper Tribunals in the United Kingdom hears cases on such diverse subjects as freedom of information, war pensions and operating licences for gambling companies?

Comment: Alternative hook as the two tribunals, and thus the two articles, are closely related. DavidWard 23:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Cavell Van

• ... that the Cavell Van (pictured before restoration) carried the bodies of Edith Cavell, Charles Fryatt and The Unknown Warrior?

Created by LameCat (talk). 5x expanded by Mjroots (talk) Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 18:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1976 Winter Olympics

• ... that during the 1975 Olympic Test Competition, the East Germans set up cameras and timers at the bobsleigh and luge venue used for the 1976 Winter Olympics in Innsbruck to determine fastest lines through each of the straights and curves?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

John Frullo

• ... that John Frullo, a new Republican member of the Texas House of Representatives is active in an organization which promotes the restoration of bighorn sheep to Texas?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Truth in Numbers?

• ... that the documentary film Truth in Numbers? Everything, According to Misplaced Pages includes commentary from former CIA director James Woolsey?

• Comment: Expanded over 10 times. Please compare version after an AFD that recently closed as "Keep", here , with expanded version, here . Thank you.

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 00:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I feel that hooks on Misplaced Pages-related subjects are overly self-indulgent and indicative of navel-gazing, sorry. DS (talk) 14:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
• Length and dates are fine but a much, much better hook is possible given all the interesting detail in this article. - Dravecky (talk) 06:52, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Some ALTs:

• ALT1 ... that Jimbo (pictured) said the documentary film Truth in Numbers? "is out of date and should have been released three or four years ago"?"
• ALT2 ... that one reviewer of Truth in Numbers? noted that "the Misplaced Pages article for the film itself was under threat of being deleted"?
• ALT3 ... that Jimbo (pictured) said of Truth in Numbers? that "the film was poorly received in Poland"?"

How's that for navel-gazing? :-) I think ALT2 is the best of that bunch. cmadler (talk) 07:25, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, I was sorely tempted to link WP:JIMBOSAID in ALT1 and ALT3. :-) cmadler (talk) 07:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Any of the ALT hooks are fine with me, thank you.  ;) -- Cirt (talk) 15:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

However, I agree with Cmadler (talk · contribs) that ALT2 is the best. :) -- Cirt (talk) 15:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

2010 student protest in London

• ... that a demonstration against raising tuition fees held earlier this month in London has been described as the largest student protest in the United Kingdom for a decade?

Created by Midnightblueowl (talk). Nominated by The Celestial City (talk) at 00:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that the London headquarters of the Conservative Party were broken into earlier this month by student protesters campaigning against planned tuition fee increases, drawing condemnation from the United Kingdom's National Union of Students?

Lesley-Ann Brandt

• ... that Spartacus: Blood and Sand actress Lesley-Ann Brandt was born in Cape Town and is fluent in Afrikaans?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 20:11, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• "South African speaks Afrikaans" is not perhaps the most interesting hook - detail on her hockey career might be more interesting, if it can be reffed. Creation and length are fine.Le Deluge (talk) 21:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Lindbergh Forest

• ... that there are two Lustron houses and several houses built with East Tennessee marble in Knoxville's Lindbergh Forest neighborhood?

5x expanded by Bms4880 (talk). Nominated by Orlady (talk) at 19:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Alfred Jephcott

• ... that the British Conservative MP Alfred Jephcott was a trade unionist and a member of the Amalgamated Society of Engineers for over 40 years?

Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 18:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Billy Hulen

• ... that Billy Hulen of the Philadelphia Phillies was the last left-handed shortstop in Major League Baseball history?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 15:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• A rarity indeed, but other sources call the assertion into doubt. For example, Baseball-Reference indicates there have been others. See here and here. The following article here is an interesting inquiry into the "left-handed shortstop." Can you come up with another hook? Assuming you can use a reliable source, maybe that Hulen played more games at shortstop than any other leftie. Cbl62 (talk) 20:32, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Another possibility would be to more closely track the statement of the Westcott book which you use as the source. It says: "The other shortstop of note during the early years was Billy Hulen, who had the rare trait of being left handed. No other team ever had a regular left-handed shortstop." Cbl62 (talk) 20:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like Westcott got it wrong. There are at least 3 other left-handed shortstops who played regularly at that position. They are Jimmy Hallinan (111 games at SS), and Billy Redmond (61 games at SS) and Russ Hall (35 games at SS). See here, here and here. So you definitely need a new hook. Cbl62 (talk) 20:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• I found two other sources which say that Hulen is the "last" lefty shortstop, so I replaced "only" with "last" in the hook. I think it should be ok because Russ Hall only played 35 games and was never his team's regular shortstop in any season. - PM800 (talk) 21:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Hmm. I think that would work since Hulen played 73 out of 130 games (56%) at SS for the Phillies in 1896, and Hall played 35 out of 150 games (23%) at SS for the Browns in 1898. But you'd need to insert "regular" in the hook since other lefties have played shortstop since Hulen. Cbl62 (talk) 21:30, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think "regular" is implied. I'm sure there are several cases of guys playing shortstop for a few games if the regular shortstop gets injured or something - that doesn't mean they're real shortstops, though. - PM800 (talk) 21:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Since a number of left-handed shortstops played at least briefly in MLB after Hulen, the hook would not be factually accurate unless you add the "regular" qualifier. The way you phrased it in the article is "last regular left-handed shortstop ..." IMO that phrasing is appropriate and should be carried over into the hook. Cbl62 (talk) 07:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• OK Cbl, I suppose that would be all right. I was just trying to make the hook slightly better by reducing the number of adjectives from three to two and didn't think that "regular" was completely necessary. - PM800 (talk) 19:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• I understand, but the hook needs to be accurate, so the hook is approved as to length, date and sourcing as modified here .... that Billy Hulen of the Philadelphia Phillies was the last regular left-handed shortstop in Major League Baseball history? Cbl62 (talk) 05:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Falta, South 24 Parganas

• ... that Falta was the first Special Economic Zone in India?

• ALT1:... that when Siraj-ud-Daulah sacked Kolkata in 1756, the English residents moved to Falta temporarily?

Created by Chandan Guha (talk). Self nom at 14:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Leeuwin Estate, Leeuwin Estate Concert Series

• ... that in 2005, the Leeuwin Estate winery hosted musician Sting as part of its annual Concert Series, raising over $4 million for Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami relief efforts?

Created by Camw (talk). Self nom at 12:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

This is my first attempt at a double hook, I hope it is okay! Camw (talk) 12:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Walter Goodfellow

• ... that Walter Goodfellow obtained the type specimen of the Mikado Pheasant, comprising two long black tail feathers, from one of his porters who was wearing them in his head-dress?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 12:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

James Charles Fahey

• ... that James Charles Fahey started publishing The Ships and Aircraft of the United States Fleet due to his disappointment at editors butchering his manuscripts?

Created by Thewellman (talk). Nominated by MC10 (talk) at 06:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Maybe instead of "publishing," it should be "self-publishing"? - PM800 (talk) 09:24, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• Length, date, and sources check out. - PM800 (talk) 09:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I really don't like "butchering" here (or in the article, for that matter); if that's the word Fahey himself used, we should put it in quotes. DS (talk) 14:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. And, in addition, the referencing is unclear. Is all of that one mammoth paragraph sourced to the same source with the single inline citation at the end? - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 20:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that paragraph is cited to that single source; I will try to find more sources. Instead of using "butchering", could we use "wrecking" or "spoiling"? —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 21:24, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Socialist Workers Movement (Bolivia)

• ... that the Bolivian ambassador to the United Nations Pablo Solón was the main leader of the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party in the 1980s?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

French frigate Psyché (1804)

• ... that on 9 April 1804 Commander Henry Lambert of the 21-gun HMS Wilhelmina held off the 36-gun French privateer Psyche and that on 14 February 1805 now Captain Lambert of the 44-gun frigate HMS San Fiorenzo captured her.

5x expanded by Acad Ronin (talk). Self nom at 02:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

HMS Pactolus (1813)

• ... that 200 years ago today (11 August 2014) HMS Pactolus and HMS Ramillies bombarded Stonington, Connecticut during the War of 1812 and then sailed off?

5x expanded by Acad Ronin (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if we hold DYKs for almost four years, but this item would have the greatest impact then.Acad Ronin (talk) 02:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

You could move it to the special holding area below. —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 06:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Nah - 4 years is just getting ridiculous. Get it out there under the normal procedure, it's not that "special". The hook could bear some tightening, most ships sail off after a bombardment... Le Deluge (talk) 21:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Could probably expand Ramillies to get that up to DYK standard too. Harrias 14:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Larson Brothers Airport

• ... that the sod-surfaced Larson Brothers Airport (hangar pictured) was described as the "finest airport in the state" of Wisconsin in 1932?

Created by Royalbroil (talk). Self nom at 06:45, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• All checks out. Miyagawa (talk) 22:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

St Mary Magdalene's Church, Croome D'Abitot

• ... that the exterior of St Mary Magdalene's Church, Croome D'Abitot, (pictured) was designed by Lancelot "Capability" Brown in Gothic Revival style, but the interior by Robert Adam is Georgian?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Everything checks out, including image copyright. Royalbroil 04:25, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Alex Konanykhin

• ... that former Russian oligarch Alex Konanykhin and his wife Elena Gratcheva were the first citizens of post-Soviet Russia to be granted political asylum in the USA?

5x expanded by (unknown?). Nominated by Eclipsed (talk) at 14:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article has not been expanded recently. Although the file size has increased, the prose size is actually smaller than it was before recent edits. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:25, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

OK. Article is being worked on, so the DYK can be resubmitted after the article is suitably expanded. Thanks.     Eclipsed   (t)     20:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 11

St. Martin, Idstein

• ... that two Cantors conducted performances of Verdi's Messa da Requiem in St. Martin, Idstein (pictured)?

• Comment: because of the Requiem best on 21 November, last Sunday of the liturgical year, when many remember the dead

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Templin Potts

• ... that former Governor of Guam Templin Potts (pictured) threatened to discharge any man under his command who married a native woman?

Created by Scapler (talk). Self nom at 06:15, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Love in This Club, Pt. II

• ... that Usher's song "Love in This Club Part II", which features Beyoncé (pictured) and Lil Wayne, was originally planned to have guest appearances from Mariah Carey and Plies?

5x expanded by Adabow (talk). Self nom at 10:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

The Jubalaires

• ... that on November 14, 1942, black gospel quartet The Jubalaires had a hit with "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition", a response to the attack on Pearl Harbour the previous year?

• Comment: Be sweet to have this go up on Nov 14th, but I understand if there are difficulties with skipping the queue. Rewordings of hook welcome.

Created by Skomorokh (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article is fine, but the hook is too long. Please trim to 200 characters or less. Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for that. The below clocks in at 199. Cheers, Skomorokh 22:52, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that on November 14, 1942, black gospel quartet The Jubalaires had a hit with "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition", a response to the attack on Pearl Harbour the previous year?

Life (book)

• ... that in Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards' memoir Life, Richards reveals that Mick Jagger has a "tiny todger", but adds "I love the man dearly; I'm still his mate"?

Created by Jezhotwells (talk). Self nom at 21:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think this might be too insulting to Jagger. - PM800 (talk) 02:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• So are you saying that this referenced statement is not acceptable? I understood that Misplaced Pages is not censored. Jezhotwells (talk) 02:58, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• From my understanding, hooks that appear on the main page shouldn't be too negative towards living persons. I am not completely sure about this hook, so other input is welcome. - PM800 (talk) 03:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Agree with PM800. It's a funny hook, but we should probably find something less negative. Not that Mick would care. At any rate, we can't use the cover image because it's fair-use, so I've removed that. 28bytes (talk) 03:21, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Hook amended. Alternative hooks below. Jezhotwells (talk) 03:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1: that Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards' memoir Life reached No.1 in the New York Times non-fiction best seller list in in the week of its release? Jezhotwells (talk) 03:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 2: that The Independent said of Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards' memoir Life that "the watchwords of this book are honesty, confessionalism, telling it straight."?

• ALT 3: that journalist James Fox spent "hundreds of hours" interviewing Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards to gather material for the memoir Life, published on 26 October 2010?

Great Mosque of Algiers

• ... that the Great Mosque of Algiers (pictured) is the oldest mosque in Algiers and is said to be the oldest mosque in Algeria after Sidi Okba Mosque?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 17:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char . 01:04, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Fort Santa Cruz, Oran

• ... that a chapel near Fort Santa Cruz, Oran (pictured) is the site of a pilgrimage every Ascension Day?

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 17:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Img added.-- N.V.V. Char . 01:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Ghardaïa

• ... that the name of Ghardaïa (market place pictured) in northern-central Algeria has its origins in a female saint named Daïa who lived in a cave (ghār) in the M'zab valley?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Img added-- N.V.V. Char . 01:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Edward Spurway, Robert Spurway, Francis Spurway

• ... that Edward Spurway, two of his sons Michael and Francis, and his brother Robert all played first-class cricket for Somerset?

Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 14:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Charles Albert Watts, Charles Watts (secularist)

• ... that Charles Albert Watts edited the secularist Literary Guide without a break for over 60 years, having taken over a publishing business set up by his father, the atheist writer Charles Watts?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 10:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Robert Lipshutz

• ... that former President Jimmy Carter credited his White House Counsel Robert Lipshutz with offering insights that led to the signing of the Camp David Accords between Egypt and Israel?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Linda Bean

• ... that Linda Bean, heiress to part of the L.L. Bean company, twice ran for the United States Congress?

Created by Namiba (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Contemporary sources for 1988 call her Linda Bean-Jones. Later sources call her Linda Bean Folkers. Uncle G (talk) 04:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Mimoides phaon

• ... that Mimoides phaon was the first swallowtail butterfly of the genus Mimoides to stray into the United States?

Created by Meganmccarty (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article slightly below the minimum of 1500 characters of prose required for DYK. Intelligentsium 23:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I thought when I measured the prose, it was just over 1500 characters. I guess I must have missed removing some wikitext. However, I'm not quite sure I can expand the article must further than it currently is, for information on this species, both in books and online, is quite lacking. Megan|_contribs 14:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Colonia Roma

• ... that in spite the construction of modern office and apartment buildings and the 1985 Mexico City earthquake, Colonia Roma still contains 1,100 of the mansions built there in early 20th century?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 19:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Citizens for a Free Kuwait

• ... that Citizens for a Free Kuwait was an astroturf operation established by the Kuwaiti government to promote U.S. intervention in the Iraq-Kuwait War?

5x expanded by P. S. Burton (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Cheshire, Connecticut, home invasion murders

• ... that the Cheshire, Connecticut, home invasion murders has been referred to as "possibly the most widely publicized crime in the state's history"?

--BabbaQ (talk) 18:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've got a little shy of 5x dating back to November 6. Could someone else double check? Grsz 07:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, about 1,000 characters shy. - PM800 (talk) 07:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Peter Frederik Suhm

• ... that the Trondheim Society was founded in 1760 by Johan Ernst Gunnerus, Gerhard Schøning and Peter Frederik Suhm (pictured)?

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 16:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Peter Frederik Suhm (pictured) was one of the founder of the Trondheim Society, the first high school in Norway?
• Comment: ALT1 is by far the better hook, in my opinion. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think so. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 09:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article should perhaps make use of the newer Norsk biografisk leksikon article in a larger degree than the 100-year-old Dansk biografisk leksikon article. Also I recommend incorporating "northernmost scientific society in the world" into the hook.

• What is intended by the term "high school" as it is used in the article and above? Norway lacked a university during its union with Denmark, but that nothing resembling a modern secondary or university-preparatory education (as it was at the time) would have existed in Norway before the 18th century seems unlikely to me. (What about the various cathedral schools, dating back to the 12th century?) Is it possibly a mistranslation of the Norwegian høyskole, which is an institution of higher education? The source for the claim is a History of Oslo University, and I would like to see a quote from the original Norwegian on the talk page to support the claim. --Hegvald (talk) 00:50, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
  • You ar right. I give ALT2. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 16:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that Peter Frederik Suhm (pictured) was one of the founder of the Trondheim Society, the first northernmost scientific society in the world?

St Mary Magdalene's Church, Stapleford

• ... that the west gallery of St Mary Magdalene's Church, Stapleford, Leicestershire, contains a Coade stone fireplace, the Royal arms, and a dome decorated with putti?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 16:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Cross River Rail

• ... that the Cross River Rail planned for Brisbane will be the largest transport project ever built in Queensland?

5x expanded by Shiftchange (talk). Self nom at 13:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've taken the liberty of re-wording the hook to be slightly shorter, hope this is OK. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:46, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Jens Ramme

• ... that German football goalkeeper Jens Ramme conceded six goals in 45 minutes on his debut, turning a 5–1 lead for Dynamo Dresden into a 7–5 defeat?

Created by ArtVandelay13 (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article does not have 1,500 characters of prose yet. - PM800 (talk) 10:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • OK, I've expanded it. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 11:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
    • Looks good, except that neither of the sources say that it was his debut. - PM800 (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
      • Found one. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 22:49, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• Length and date checked. AGF on foreign-language source. - PM800 (talk) 23:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Is this too negative? Is it okay to highlight his failure on Misplaced Pages's MainPage? --PFHLai (talk) 06:45, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Tumbulgum

• ... that the Australian town of Tumbulgum was the third town in the state of New South Wales to agree that retail outlets will not provide disposable plastic shopping bags?

Created by Mattinbgn (talk). Self nom at 08:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Can a more interesting or eye-catching hook be found? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Loyal Parliament

• ... that the Loyal Parliament of 1685 put high taxes on sugar and tobacco?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 06:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Norwegian Sea

• ... that the word maelstrom was brought into the English language by Edgar Allan Poe describing the Moskenstraumen (illustrated) located at Moskenesøya island in the Norwegian Sea?

• Comment: See these refs ,

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 04:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Expansion length, date, hook and image ok. Excellent job with the Norwegian Sea article! Oceanh (talk) 19:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

ProtoGalaxy

• ... that action-adventure video game ProtoGalaxy was produced in Newfoundland?

Created by Neelix (talk). Self nom at 04:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Not a very exciting hook. - PM800 (talk) 11:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1... that Newfoundland-produced action-adventure video game ProtoGalaxy has been called "one of this year's most polished indie titles"? Neelix (talk) 13:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Creation date and length are fine. I'm not wild about the quality of some of the sources in the article, I understand that it's partly the nature of the beast, but I'll leave that to someone more familiar with gaming articles to comment further. ALT1 is too WP:PEACOCKy for me, I'd go for something more playful :
• ALT2... that the formation of a ProtoGalaxy was recorded in Newfoundland in 2010? Le Deluge (talk) 14:16, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I like it. Very funny. Neelix (talk) 13:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Trial as an adult

• ... that once a juvenile has been convicted as an adult in Florida, they are then handled in every respect as an adult for any subsequent violation of state law?

• ALT1... that since 1990, seven countries have tried juveniles as adults and executed them?

• ALT2... that since 1990, seven countries have executed juveniles tried as adults?

Created by Deon (talk). Self nom at 07:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length etc.. checks out. Alt1 is much more attention grabbing. Miyagawa (talk) 22:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Struck this to prevent any risk of it reaching the main page in its current state. Miyagawa, you've reviewed it and preferred ALT1 - did your review include confirming the source cited to support the ALT1 hook fact? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 05:48, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• I did. Hook is cited at the bottom out the outcomes section on the article, with this website being the cited location. However just double checked - there is a problem, there's only seven countries in the list. Miyagawa (talk) 10:05, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. I've noticed I looked at a different list when citing it. The correct number is 7 and the cited source stands. Cheers — Deon 10:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

May I suggest rewording it to "... that since 1990, seven countries have executed juveniles tried as adults ?" The current version could be misread to say that only 7 countries have tried juveniles as adults, and in fact all of them were executed, which I don't think was the intention, Sadads (talk) 03:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Took me a few times re-reading it, but I get what you mean. I like you're proposed alteration. I've added it above. — Deon 05:21, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Purge (novel)

• ... that the award winning Finnish language novel Puhdistus (Purge) by Sofi Oksanen has had mixed reactions in Estonia, its principal topic?

5x expanded by Sadads (talk). Self nom at 07:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Note the article has been expanded from 216 words of text to over 1200, and I am not completely happy with the hook, alts would be greately appreciated Sadads (talk) 07:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 12

Rowhouses at 322-344 East 69th Street

• ... that the rowhouses at 322-344 East 69th Street (pictured) on Manhattan's Upper East Side are a rare surviving group of the many rowhouses built after the completion of the Third Avenue El?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 18:21, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Culver Aircraft Company

• ... that over 3000 target drones (PQ-14 pictured) were produced by the Culver Aircraft Company for the U.S. Army Air Forces and the U.S. Navy during World War II?

Created by FlugKerl (talk), The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 18:06, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

List of singles which have sold more than one million copies in the UK

• ... that Leona Lewis' (pictured) "Bleeding Love" is the most recent of 103 million-selling singles in the UK?

5x expanded by Rambo's Revenge (talk). Self nom at 15:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

1918 Michigan Wolverines football team

• ... that the 1918 Michigan Wolverines football team (game program pictured) were recognized as national champions in a season shortened by World War I travel restrictions and a global flu pandemic?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Balneario

• ... that Latin American public beach resorts known as balnearios can be highly politicized?Hemanetwork (talk) 06:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Spheromak

• ... that a spheromak is a stable ring of hot plasma that's been described as the electrical equivalent of a smoke ring?

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Dan Flores

• ... that historian Dan Flores has published Visions of the Big Sky: Painting and Photography in the Northern Rocky Mountain West, with focus on his adopted state of Montana?

ALT:... that historian Dan Flores wrote the study of the Red River Expedition, which set forth in 1806, as Lewis and Clark were returning to St. Louis?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Wasp Motorcycles

• ... that British company Wasp Motorcycles produces a special motorcycle sidecar designed for use by paraplegic motorcyclists?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Arlene Tur

• ... that Crash actress Arlene Tur, who has been reported to have been cast as Vera Juarez in the upcoming fourth series of Torchwood, played professional beach volleyball during her time at Florida International University?

Created by The Celestial City (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that Crash actress Arlene Tur, who has been reported to have been cast as Vera Juarez in the upcoming fourth series of Torchwood, has described most of her early years as being spent "reading books up in an avocado tree"?
• ALT2:... that Crash actress Arlene Tur, who has been reported to have been cast as Vera Juarez in the upcoming fourth series of Torchwood, speaks English, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian?

Obsidian (1986 video game)

• ... that Revolution Software co-founder Tony Warriner created the video game Obsidian when he should have been revising his school exams, causing him to fail them all?

5x expanded by Someone another (talk). Self nom at 16:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Cyber Shockwave

• ... that the Cyber ShockWave was a 4-hour wargame conducted by the Washington, D.C. think tank Bipartisan Policy Center on February 16, 2010?

5x expanded by SoAuthentic (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• You have 5x expanded, but it took place over ~ 6 weeks rather than 5-10 days. SmartSE (talk) 01:15, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Homeland Security Act

• ... that the Homeland Security Act created both the United States Department of Homeland Security (seal pictured) and the new cabinet-level position of Secretary of Homeland Security?

5x expanded by SoAuthentic (talk). Self nom at 15:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Not 5x expanded in the last 10 days (the numbered stuff doesn't count, as only prose is included) I get an increase from 1901 > 4362 characters, but your expansion started on the 26/10. SmartSE (talk) 01:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Cordillera de la Ramada

• ... that several peaks of the Andean Cordillera de la Ramada, including the highest, Mercedario (pictured), were first climbed by a Polish expedition of 1934?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 06:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

No. 77 Wing RAAF

• ... that before the Battle of North Borneo, No. 77 Wing RAAF (aircraft pictured) surgically attacked targets at Labuan as few as 100m from Allied demolition teams laying charges on the invasion beach?

Created by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 05:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good from here. Reccomendation to compilers: the picture as it appears on the mainpage should be cropped so as to better show the aircraft at this size. - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 06:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Areopagus sermon

• ... the Areopagus sermon was the most dramatic and fullest speech of the missionary career of Apostle Paul?

Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 22:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Here is the link to: verify the hook. History2007 (talk) 03:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Stockade Building System

• ... that Buckminster Fuller invented a brick made out of wood fibers that could support a house?
• ALT1 - ... that Buckminster Fuller invented the Stockade Building System, which uses bricks made from wood fibers and plaster?
• ALT2 - ... who invented the Stockade Building System, which uses bricks made from wood fibers and plaster?

Created by Reaper Eternal (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Fusō class battleship

• ... that the armor of the Error: {{sclass}} invalid format code: 6. Should be 0–5, or blank (help)s was incapable of stopping its own shells?

5x expanded by Climie.ca (talk). Self nom at 05:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Notre Dame–Stanford rivalry

• ... that the winner of the Notre Dame–Stanford rivalry football game is awarded the Legends Trophy, which is a combination of Irish crystal and California redwood?

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 11:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 13

St Mark's Church, Hadlow Down

• ... that a builder of St Mark's Church in Hadlow Down, East Sussex, was sacked for deliberately placing its weather vane upside down?

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 18:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Santa Isabel (supermarkets)

• ... that cashiers working in Cencosud's Chilean Santa Isabel wore diapers because they had to work non-stop 9 hour shifts, leading the company to be severely fined!? !Hemanetwork (talk) 06:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article doesn't mention that the company was fined as a result of the employees working non-stop for 9 hours or wearing diapers – the only mention of fines is to do with the issues in employing pregnant or attractive people. It also does not state where the store in question is. I suggest possibly taking out these bits as they don't seem integral to the hook. I'll leave it to someone else to verify the sources as they're in Spanish. If they check out ok, I suggest:

• ALT1: ... that cashiers working in a Santa Isabel store wore diapers because they had to work 9-hour shifts without bathroom breaks? matt (talk) 09:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

It's Always Jan

• ... that Janis Paige's sitcom It's Always Jan bombed as the first series to precede Gunsmoke on the CBS 1955-1956 Saturday schedule?

ALT:... that thirteen years before he joined NBC's Laugh-In, comic Arte Johnson appeared with Janis Paige in her short-lived CBS sitcom It's Always Jan?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Jim Lacy

• ... that in 1949, Jim Lacy became the first college basketball player to score 2,000 career points?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 03:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Jean A. Stuntz

• ... that historian Jean A. Stuntz found that the Spanish legal system in Mexico and Texas gave much greater community property rights to women than were permitted in the original English colonies?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Brain Games

• ... that it has been suggested to play the 1978 video-game Brain Games in order to increase memory retainment?

Created by Theornamentalist (talk). Self nom at 00:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Quintin Dailey

• ... that with the Chicago Bulls in 1985, Quintin Dailey carped that Michael Jordan received more attention from the team's coaches, arguing that he was "a player who likes to shine a little bit myself"?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 23:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length of expansion and sourcing verifed. Cbl62 (talk) 06:31, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

List of NBA Development League champions

• ... that two teams from the NBA Development League's Western Conference played each other in the 2010 Finals to determine the champion?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• This "Did you know" hook happens in every sports league, every year. - PM800 (talk) 00:37, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• No, it actually doesn't. Two teams from the same conference don't play each other in every sports league, every year. This is a unique set-up and a unique situation. Please read the hook more carefully. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• I suppose I should. Length, date, and source checked; good to go. - PM800 (talk) 03:45, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm open to alt hooks though, or, if this one could be reworded better. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:31, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Konstanty Jodko-Narkiewicz

• ... that Konstanty Jodko-Narkiewicz survived the burning of the hydrogen balloon Star of Poland in 1934?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 23:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Independent custody visitor

• ... that independent custody visitors must be immediately admitted to a police station in the United Kingdom so that they can speak to people being detained and ensure that they are being properly treated?

Created by dmvward (talk). Self nom at 21:28, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Clyde Summers, In re Summers

• ... that although the U.S. Supreme Court denied Clyde Summers the right to practice law in Illinois in 1945 in In re Summers, Summers later was a highly influential scholar in the field of labor law?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 18:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

John Keir

• ... that John Keir, who commanded a British Army corps in the First World War, was sacked after he complained about Edmund Allenby's bullying of junior officers?

Created by Shimgray (talk). Self nom at 17:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Fumarole Butte

• ... that parts of Fumarole Butte (pictured) were once covered by Lake Bonneville?

Created by Ceranthor (talk). Self nom at 15:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Bunkers in Albania

• ... that during the Communist time in Albania 750.000 bunkers where built?

Created by Vinie007 (talk). Self nom at 14:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

BBC-Marconi Type A

• ... that the iconic BBC-Marconi Type A microphone (pictured) was produced in 1934 for £9 – a saving of £121 on the equivalent RCA microphone?

Created/expanded by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 14:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length and off-line sourcing for article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm going to come up with a new hook – re-reading the article, the RCA price is for the mic and amplifier, whereas the BBC price makes no mention of the amplifier. It may well be OK, and the hook may be fine, but I don't want to assume that that's the case. I'll come up with a different hook tonight! matt (talk)

• ALT: ... that in the 1930s there were worries that the BBC-Marconi Type A microphone (pictured) would infringe the patent of a similar (but more expensive) microphone made by RCA?

Inocarpus fagifer

• ... that a myth from Choiseul Island has a man who betrayed a tribal chief punished by suffocation by the flatulence caused by the people around him eating the kernels of the Tahitian Chestnut tree?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 11:42, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Johanna Bugge Olsen

• ... that Johanna Bugge Olsen was convicted of treason for having printed some "un-national" material in Arbeidet during WWII?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 10:54, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Ōkōchi Sansō

• ... that Ōkōchi Sansō (pictured), the villa of the Japanese film star Denjirō Ōkōchi, contains several buildings designated cultural properties by the Japanese government?

Created by Michitaro (talk). Self nom at 06:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Maelsuthain O'Carroll

• ... that Maelsuthain O'Carroll may have educated Brian Boru at the monastery on Innisfallen Island and later became the High King's advisor?

• ALT1 ... that Maelsuthain O'Carroll, advisor to High King Brian Boru, was called the "chief doctor of the western world in his time" and "sage of Ireland"?

Created by User:Bkwillwm (talk). Self nom at 06:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Angela Calomiris

• ... that FBI informant Angela Calomiris donated $50 of government money to the legal defense fund for CPUSA leaders before testifying against them in court?

Created by Sir Nils (talk) 05:22, 13 November 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 04:42, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Gift of the Wind

Gift of the Wind

• ... that "Gift of the Wind" (pictured), a large scale kinetic sculpture by Susumu Shingu in Cambridge, Massachusetts, is considered by some to be "Cambridge's most visible landmark," but was also nominated for "Worst Public Art in New England"?

• Comment: Moved from Userspace to Mainspace

Created by Found5dollar (talk). Self nom at 04:34, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• The hook is over 200 characters. - PM800 (talk) 23:04, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that "Gift of the Wind" (pictured), a kinetic sculpture by Susumu Shingu in Cambridge, Massachusetts, is considered by some to be "Cambridge's most visible landmark," but was also nominated for "Worst Public Art in New England"? --Found5dollar (talk) 04:14, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 is still 217 char. I think the "worst public art" quote just comes from a list of nominations from the public, so that might not be eligible. How about ALT2: ... that "Gift of the Wind" (pictured), a large scale kinetic sculpture by Susumu Shingu in Cambridge, Massachusetts, is considered by some to be "Cambridge's most visible landmark"? - PM800 (talk) 16:31, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Sure that sounds good. I was just using it to show that there it is both loved and hated, but the ALT 2 is fine with me if it is oked.--Found5dollar (talk) 16:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Percy Jewson

• ... that the British Member of Parliament Percy Jewson was chairman of the Lawn Tennis Association?

5x expanded by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 01:08, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Is it possible to say when he played tennis, and when he chaired the organization? Not sure if this is hooky/unusual either, but I bet others find it so. Geschichte (talk) 11:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I could find no dates for his chairmanship of the LTA. I also agree that "minor politician chairs a nation sporting body" isn't brilliantly hooky, so I don't mind if this one is dropped. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Petrocardium and Montrichardia aquatica

• ... that fossils of the extinct arum family genus Petrocardium were recovered from an ancient rainforest?

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the extinct arum family genus Petrocardium was named after the heart-shaped fossils that its leaves formed in rock? SmartSE (talk) 01:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm expanding this to a double nomination! see alt two below:
• ALT2 ... that the extinct arum family plants Petrocardium and Montrichardia aquatica are known only from the Paleocene Cerrejón Formation rainforest in Colombia. --Kevmin § 08:51, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

James C. Kent

• ... that in 1999, James C. Kent ruled that the Government of Canada must answer discovery questions from the Six Nations pertaining to its handling of indigenous land on the Grand River?

Created by CJCurrie (talk). Nominated by Ancient Apparition (talk) at 03:54, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Any chance of a better hook? A judge making a decision in favor of one party and against the others isn's very extraordinary. Grsz 06:59, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Alt 1:

• ... that James C. Kent imposed a record fine of CND$646,000 on a Hamilton man convicted of smuggling cigarettes in 1997?

How about this? —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 12:59pm • 01:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think the first hook is fine, as it's obviously an unusual case. AGF verified. Gatoclass (talk) 10:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• On second thoughts, I'm not sure a regional judge is notable. Is there a notability standard for judicial figures? Gatoclass (talk) 10:50, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Modi Alon

• ... that the Israeli Air Force's very first aerial victories, a pair of Egyptian bombers targeting Tel Aviv on June 3 1948, were downed by Modi Alon flying an Avia S-199 (pictured), a Czech deriviative of the German Messerschmitt Bf 109?

Created by Poliocretes (talk). Self nom at 11:21, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• The hook is over 200 char. - PM800 (talk) 23:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

ok, ALT1: ... that Modi Alon scored the Israeli Air Force's first aerial victories on June 3 1948 while flying an Avia S-199 (pictured), a deriviative of the German Messerschmitt Bf 109?

Kadua

• ... that twenty-two of the species of flowering plants in the genus Kadua are endemic to the Hawaiian Islands?

Created by Usb10 (talk). Self nom at 15:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Cited source is unclear, you need to provide an unambiguous source for the hook. Gatoclass (talk) 10:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Landon Liboiron

• ... that Landon Liboiron, a Canadian actor from Jenner, Alberta, was nominated for a Gemini Award, for his role as Declan Coyne on the teen drama Degrassi: The Next Generation?

Created by Xlennie (talk). Nominated by 117Avenue (talk) at 00:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• . Too short: "Prose size (text only): 803 B (132 words) 'readable prose size'." Does not meet the 1500 char limit.--res Laozi speak 03:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Dang, that's all the RS information I could find, I'm not a huge Degrassi fan. 117Avenue (talk) 03:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

So It Goes (Nick Lowe song)

• ... that So It Goes by Nick Lowe was the first record released on Stiff Records?

Created by Yorkshiresky (talk). Self nom at 12:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

No. 79 Wing RAAF

• ... that on 6 April 1945, B-25 Mitchells of No. 79 Wing RAAF (pictured) bombed the Japanese cruiser Isuzu, claiming 2 hits without loss despite anti-aircraft fire and frontal attacks by enemy fighters?

Created by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 15:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 14

St Saviour's Church, Tetbury

• ... that St Saviour's Church, Tetbury, Gloucestershire, (pictured) was built for the poorer people of the town who could not afford the pew rents at St Mary's Church?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 19:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Simon Vallily

• ... that Commonwealth Games boxing gold medalist Simon Vallily was once a trainee at Middlesbrough football club?

Created by Notjamesbond (talk). Self nom at 19:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Milecastle 17

• ... that a milestone found near Milecastle 17 on Hadrian's Wall is the only known contemporary record of the name of Gaius Julius Marcus, Roman Governor of Britain?

5x expanded by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Ketchaoua Mosque

• ... that Ketchaoua Mosque (pictured) in Algiers is a "mosque-turned-cathedral-turned-mosque?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 14:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img-- N.V.V. Char . 15:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Kamadhenu

• ... that Kamadhenu, "the mother of all cows" was born from the burp or the vomit of a god, according to some Hindu scriptures?

5x expanded by Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 13:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Augustus G. Paine, Jr.

• ... that the Austrian Consulate General in New York is located in the former townhouse (pictured) of the paper manufacturer Augustus G. Paine, Jr. since 1952?

Created by Gryffindor (talk). Self nom at 07:23, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Verified, image verified as PD. Gatoclass (talk) 10:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Caroline Delacroix

• ... that Leopold II's mistress Caroline Delacroix was so loathed by the Belgian public that on one occasion, her carriage was stoned in Brussels?

• ALT1 ... that Adam Hochschild speculates Leopold II's much-publicized affair with Caroline Delacroix lost him more popularity in Belgium than his decried actions in the Congo Free State?"
• ALT2 ... that upon their first meeting, Caroline Delacroix was so flustered that she mixed up Belgium and Sweden, and referred to Leopold II of Belgium as His Majesty Oscar?

Created by Ruby2010 (talk) 06:25, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length and date checked, AGF on offline source. Prefer the original hook. - PM800 (talk) 06:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

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Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

For 16 November

Eleonora Šomková

• ... that Czech poet Karel Hynek Mácha's funeral took place on the day of the intended wedding with his fiancée and mother of his newborn child Eleonora Šomková known as Lori?

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic. Three were created on 29 October, one more on 30 October.Aloysius (talk) 06:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• Multi-nom ALT added to 29 October Cikáni suggestion. Aloysius (talk) 08:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article is too short. Articles should be at least 1,500 characters for inclusion at Did You Know. Arctic Night 11:45, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have added some facts to make it long enough. Thanks for caution! Aloysius (talk) 16:16, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek

• ... that Czech poet Karel Hynek Mácha first appeared as an actor in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's play Czech and German in July 1832 in Benešov?

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic.Aloysius (talk) 05:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• Multi-nom ALT added below to Cikáni suggestion. Aloysius (talk) 08:09, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• Almost there, but too short: "1318 B (218 words) 'readable prose size'". Article needs to meet the 1500 char limit.--res Laozi speak 03:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Travel to Italy (Mácha)

• ... that in his 1834 Diary of Travel to Italy Czech national poet Karel Hynek Mácha describes his meeting with Slovenian national poet France Prešeren in Ljubljana?

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic.Aloysius (talk) 05:37, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• Multi-nom ALT added below to Cikáni suggestion. Aloysius (talk) 08:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Cikáni

• ... that Karel Hynek Mácha's 1835 novel Cikáni celebrates the free lifestyle of gypsies?

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic. Aloysius (talk) 05:27, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• Let's have a multi-nom for Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek, Travel to Italy (Mácha) and Cikáni? — Toдor Boжinov — 12:23, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have done two others that are under 30 October nominations. Does multi-nom mean they all be in one question? I haven't heard of multi-nom. Thanks. Aloysius (talk) 06:56, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, it's short for a "multiple nomination" - having more than one DYK-eligible article mentioned in a single hook. They're good if you can get them, and the 200-character limit doesn't apply (within reason!). Be nice to have a picture of Mácha to go with the hook? Le Deluge (talk) 22:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

• something like this (plus the image above)? (please check my English) multi-nom ALT1... that Czech national poet Karel Hynek Mácha (1810 - 1836) wrote two diaries? In 1832 Mácha started to act Czech theatre with a role in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's play Czech and German. He met Eleonora Šomková next year when she was asked to join the group of actors by Josef Kajetán Tyl. She became his mistress and fiancée. The Diary of 1835 concerns daily experiences and its cipher parts deal with relationship and sexual experiences with Lori as he called her. He died shortly after their son was born and the funeral took place in Litoměřice on the day of their intended wedding. The Diary of the Travel to Italy describes his hike to Venice, Trieste and Ljubljana where he met Slovenian national poet France Prešeren in 1834. The diaries are good source of psychological background for Mácha's masterpieces, dramtic poem Máj and novel Cikáni in which he celebrates the free lifestyle of gypsies. Aloysius (talk) 08:07, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• While allowances are made for hooks with multiple nomination being longer than 200 characters (see rule C3), this is much too long. Also hooks are generally a single sentence, although I can't find where it states that in the rules apart from the requirement for the first sentence to end with a question mark. Mikenorton (talk) 13:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• Then I would stick to the original versions. They are all about a bit different aspects of Mácha's life. And I don't know who is competent to move them to the Special Occasion section but I hope that they could be published on 16 November when it is 200 years from the poet's birth. Aloysius (talk) 18:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've had a go at combining them myself, see what you think. Mikenorton (talk) 19:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Karel Hynek Mácha, author of the 1834 travel book Diary of the Travel to Italy and the 1835 novel Cikáni, got his first acting job, in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's drama Czech and German, in Benešov, where he later met his fiancée Eleonora Šomková?

• Thanks for effort, really not bad! Let me try to comb it according to accuracy and importance. Aloysius (talk) 06:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that Czech national poet Karel Hynek Mácha, author of most notable poem Máj and novel Cikáni as well as the Diary of the Travel to Italy and the Diary of 1835 (the cipher parts of which deal with relationship and sexual experiences with his fiancée Lori), got his first acting job in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's drama Czech and German? Aloysius (talk) 06:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

  Two comments - you don't need to disambiguate titles with (Mácha) on the end unless there's already an article called simply "Travel to Italy" - which there isn't, and it's best to have articles at the simpler title. Also - is "Travel to Italy" really the common name in English? It implies it's a discussion of the Italian tourist industry as "travel" is a general word, a person would make a "journey to Italy" or "trip" or something, but never "a travel". Sorry for not explaining that the hook can be >200 characters but still as short as possible, here's my effort which is 272 - but it might be nice to insert ", born 200 years ago today," :

  • ALT3 ... that Czech national poet Karel Hynek Mácha got his first acting job in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's drama Czech and German and his writings include the poem Máj, novel Cikáni, diary of Travel to Italy and the Diary of 1835 which deals with his relationship with his fiancée Lori? Le Deluge (talk) 11:04, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Then, I would suggest dividing into two noms for 16 November, one multi-nom and one single nomination:
  • ALT4/1 ... that the writings of Czech national poet Karel Hynek Mácha, born 200 years ago today, include poem Máj, novel Cikáni, diary of Journey to Italy and the Diary of 1835 which deals with his relationship with his fiancée Lori? Aloysius (talk) 19:15, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
  • ALT4/2 ... that Karel Hynek Mácha got his first acting job in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's drama Czech and German? Aloysius (talk) 19:15, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Diary of 1835 (Mácha)

• ... that Czech poet Karel Hynek Mácha wrote parts of his Diary of 1835 in code to conceal details of his erotic relationship with Eleonora Šomková?

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 06:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic. Three were created on 29 October, one more on 30 October. Aloysius (talk) 06:09, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• Multi-nom ALT added to 29 October Cikáni suggestion. Aloysius (talk) 08:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• This version approved with the offline source accepted, AGF. Arctic Night 11:43, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

For 21 November, 25th Sunday after Trinity

Du Friedefürst, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 116

• ... that Bach's chorale cantata Du Friedefürst, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 116 contains a vocal trio, rare in his cantatas?

• Comment: This is meant to appear on 21 November, the 25th Sunday after Trinity for which it was written in 1724, which was the last Sunday after Trinity in 1724 and will be in 2010 - another hook possibility, but I don't know how to word it.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 10:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Trying to include it:

ALT1: ... that Bach's chorale cantata Du Friedefürst, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 116, for the last Sunday after Trinity, contains a vocal trio, rare in his cantatas? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Personally I think the mention of the last Sunday after Trinity is unnecessary in the hook; stick with version 1, I reckon. Another neat little article, as expected from this contributor. Bencherlite 14:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

For November 24

Bihar legislative assembly election, 2010 ‎

• ... that the Bihar legislative assembly election, 2010 takes place across 6 phases and over a month?

5x expanded by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• special nomination for November 24 First expansion on date set, and further addition when results are out on Nov. 24.Lihaas (talk) 12:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• This nomination is a little late, but not unreasonably so, so I don't think it should be rejected on that grounds. However, the article is currently significantly undersourced (in the Background and Schedule sections -- we generally seek a minimum of 1 in-line citation per paragraph), the Parties section is marked as needing expansion, and most of the references are bare URLs. Keep in mind also that if this article appears on In The News (for which it seems a good candidate), it will become ineligible for DYK. cmadler (talk) 14:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Also, an in-line citation to the appropriate reference is needed immediately following the statement used for the hook. cmadler (talk) 14:04, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• The nomination seems way too old for me. Its already more than two weeks old, and it might not represent "Misplaced Pages's newest articles". We should move on to the other nominations. ANGCHENRUI _WP:MSE♨ 07:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I didn't get much of a chance to respond to this before it was taken off.

The article was originally put in the "quarantine" for a special date, (and had no replies before i moved it here) where it was nominated within days of its creation in the first place. I wrote the same thing above but for some reason that doesnt seem to have been read. As for the "party" section that will duly be updated on Nov 24 when the results are announced (hence the "special date" not just regular nomination) at which point the electoral commission lists every party that does take part in the election.

The schedule section is wholly sourced, its there in the table. The background section is not sourced here but it is on the respectively linked page. I can move it here if need be. On section that have other pages in the past we have not called for repetitive cites, so i didnt think it necessary.

Its also not ITN as a sub-national election. But a 6-phase election is DYK-able.

I've now answered these queries with cites, etc. (see the page) Lihaas (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

When I removed this, I noted in my edit summary that it had maintenance tags on it. That needs to be resolved ASAP if you wish to resurrect this one. I won't remove it from the queue again but if the issues behind the maintenance tags aren't cleared up in a reasonable amount of time, I expect someone else will. 28bytes (talk) 16:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Ive already explained the expand tag for the parties, which will be gone before it goes up (nominated for Nov 24 when results are out). Theres only 1 other tag, i can take it off now as it was pending a bot addition. No hindrance to the page.

Not really requiring "considerable" work, per the first responder some more work (for obviosu reason), its a maybe right now.

everything is done, except for the part pending results in about 2 weeks.Lihaas (talk) 17:00, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, in that case we can keep it open. I'll move it to the Special Occasion holding area. 28bytes (talk) 17:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Should i report back when its done, or will the respective review check?Lihaas (talk) 18:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

It wouldn't hurt to put an update here when it's done. Feel free to ping my talk page if it's not noticed here, and I'll approve it. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 02:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

For December 10

This nomination has an unusual history, having been nominated originally for a date-specific spot on October 28. The discussion WT:DYK#Hook with Oct 28 request date explains the situation. Pursuant to that discussion, Paralympiakos and I request that the two articles Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks that were moved to article space on 24 October, now be held for a December 10 hook. These two mixed martial arts fighters were due to face each other in a championship bout on October 28; their bout was postponed at the last moment. On December 10, there will be three bouts for inaugural global championship (different weight divisions) and our intention is for a 6-article hook for that date. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

The goal 6-article hook would be something like:

* ... that M-1 Global's welterweight (Tom Gallicchio vs. Shamil Zavurov) middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks), and light heavyweight (Tomasz Narkun vs. Vyacheslav Vasilevsky) MMA Champions will be determined at M-1 Challenge XXII today?