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Help Pls. Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 07:47, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

My apologies.. :) Lindamd90 (talk) 03:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

That is ok. :) --CarTick 10:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.178.147.16 (talk) 12:52, 18 September 2010 (UTC) thanks. looks like you are the only reasonable person in wiki. hey der check nadar talk:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.178.159.21 (talk) 10:19, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

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well mclean citations regrading nairs being migrants from north were already there in the section connection with bunts so if you had read the article fully you would not have deleted it.also chamapakal was attributed so don't get it's deletion.btwn may i ask you how polyandry a social custom whose presence among nairs is rather debated should be in the origins section ?. LinguisticGeek 11:05, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

wait wait wait. i will get to the polyandry issue. so u admit that the reference wasnt attributed to those lines i removed. so, do you know what vandalism is? --CarTick 11:09, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

well i said borderline vandalism? not precisely vandalism.LinguisticGeek 11:11, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

it is the same. removal of unreferenced and blog-referenced content is not vandalism by any strecth of imagination. read WP:Vandalism, you have to watch what you say. --CarTick 11:15, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

now, could you pls add the page numbers of McLean's book? --CarTick 11:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

haven't you read the quote down they appear to have entered from north.btwn i haven't yet recived an explanation on polyandry ? or have i have ?

I guess you are talking about reference 42. i dont see a page number there as well. please remember to add page numbers so the claims can be verified. i promise to you i will get to it before we finish the conversation. is easier to deal with one issue at a time. --CarTick 11:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I take it you dont have the information now and are going to add the page numbers when you can get to them. That is fine. But please be aware unattributable content can be summarily removed from wikipedia. Now about the polyandry, i added the link there only because polyandry is mentioned in the same section. Polyandry among Nairs is a widely covered issue in multiple reliable sources. In fact, i believe the article should contain a small paragraph about it. --CarTick 11:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

well forgive me for my self appreciation,but i do know the rules very well as well as rather well versed in ethic information.btwn the nair article used to be quite big before it was cut short into smaller articles.they have been linked in see also section including the polyandry thing which ofcourse was a symbol of the independence of nair women as stated by fawcett but it's practice was rather limited only to a few aristocratic clans in tranvancore and the relations were never stable nair women had the right to divorce.LinguisticGeek 12:00, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

polyandry thing was not linked until i added it. As a matter of fact, i had added it long time ago and someone has removed it until i added it again. it is a very interesting social behaviour among Nairs. all of these can be mentioned. i will add a summary one day when i have more time. --CarTick 12:09, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

a doubt

For all TN assembly constituencies, i feel the lede is inadequate and we need to add a generic line like "X is/was a State assembly constituency in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu". Does AWB make such a task easier? or is it better to add manually?--Sodabottle (talk) 16:30, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

AWB will be very useful only in articles with similar leads. I guess I didnt pay enough attention to keep the lead consistent. As it is, I am doubtful of its usefulnes. But, it could still be useful for all articles with similar leads. the rest needs to be done manulally. sorry. i can try if you are not planning to do it yourself. --CarTick 16:37, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

let us both begin. It is a long list :-). I wasn't planning to begin immediately. I started adding crosswiki links with ta wiki and noticed the short lede. Lets go alphabetically so that we dont get into edit conflicts. --Sodabottle (talk) 18:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

go ahead. i shouldnt be spending too much on wikipedia anyway. some POV fighting dragged me in. but i will definitely try to join you. --CarTick 18:45, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

we should decide a solid (unchangeable) lead. your idea is a good starter. Pls feel free to modify it. --CarTick 03:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

"X is/was a State legislative assembly constituency in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu.

I have started with the above lede. I am working my way through the "A"s now.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:06, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

thought we could add also the additional word to it. --CarTick 13:37, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage

Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

hey! please check nadar discussion page.thank u.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.178.165.141 (talk) 09:05, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

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What was with this? You actually gave me an edit conflict, as I was in the middle of giving my two cents on the reliability of a few. Silverseren 03:15, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I am really sorry. The article is a battleground, i also shouldnt be spending too much time on wikipedia anyway. i raised the questions in the article talk page as well. pls feel free to make your comments if you still havent lost those edits and dont mind. Thank you very much for doing this and asking me. --CarTick 03:18, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

3rr warning

Writing this to both CarTick and Linguisticgeek: you both are approaching 3rr on Nadar (caste), so in case you have never come across our guidelines I'm going to advise you both to read WP:3RR. Continuing the edit war by blindly reverting and snarky edit summaries will not be permitted. Cheers. Syrthiss (talk) 13:07, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

If there is a article about highest subsect Nadan, why not we include an article about the nadar climbers. The way they transformed into prominent business people is something the article must contain. What do you say?? Do you have the Hardgrave book?Lindamd90 (talk) 17:23, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I dont have a strong opinion about that. I do not own Hardgrave book. but i have access to both Hardgrave and Templeman's books in my library. In fact, I have access to a lot of hard-to-find books. I notice u have made a lot of changes to the article and i do not approve of moving the descrimination part elsewhere. According to WP:Lead, the lead should have both both flattering and unflattering information about the subject on the lead roughly in proportion to its coverage in the article. In any case, the article is far from complete and much work needs to be done improving the article instead of spending too much time on the lead. that is a reminder for me as well. --CarTick 17:33, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Did I do something wrong? The sentence looked pretty incomplete to me. That's why I shifted it. Yes. The article requires a lot of work. That's why added words like humble and some minor words for compensation.Lindamd90 (talk) 17:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

do you have the Hardgrave book? --CarTick 17:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Nope.Lindamd90 (talk) 17:52, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

it looks like both books have a nice linear storyline to Nadar history. if you manage to get hold of both books, would be helpful. --CarTick 18:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok.What happened to the page?Lindamd90 (talk) 16:20, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

well, User:Pharaoh of the Wizards had requested page protection. it will help me focus on some seminars i need to prepare on. --CarTick 18:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Hindi Imposition page

Hi,

This is regarding the redirection of the page Hindi Imposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi_imposition&oldid=386682273) to Hindu Nationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/Hindu_nationalism). There are 3 reasons given for this redirection:

1)The article has very little content

2)It may not meet Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view requirements

3)It could easily be included in Hindu Nationalism

While I completely agree with reason (1) and partially agree with reason (2), I totally disagree with (3).

Hindi Imposition in India refers to the initiatives by the central government of India to popularize Hindi language through various measures. Many states in Indian republic have protested against. For eg : http://en.wikipedia.org/Anti-Hindi_agitations_of_Tamil_Nadu

Hindu nationalism refers to social and political initiatives to define a Nationhood based on spiritual and cultural aspects of the Indian sub-continent.

Hindi Imposition and Hindu Nationalism are totally different topics. Hence I would strongly suggest to delete the redirect and the original page and request the authors to compose the article more systematically.

regards

skbhat--Skbhat (talk) 14:55, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for referring to Anti-Hindi agitations of Tamil Nadu. Please take your concern to Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion. Please let me know if u need help. --CarTick 16:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I need help. The page is protected, hence I am not able to add the tags to nominate it for discussion. --Skbhat (talk) 20:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

pls ask the administrator who locked it. i dont have the power too. sorry. --CarTick 20:17, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Why don't you read the AHA article CarTick . you might learn something about anti hindi agitations ;-)--Sodabottle (talk) 06:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

exactly, isnt it funny. :) --CarTick 14:55, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok

Could you fill out the survey on my talk pg please? It needs more respondents YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 03:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

ok. :) --CarTick 04:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Atheism in Tamilnadu

I would like to include the following line in the Religion section of the Tamilnadu wiki page.

There is a vigorous atheist movement in the state. In fact, as of Oct 2010 the state is ruled ( List of atheists (politics and law) ) by a progressive atheist party Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam aka DMK.

I have cited a wikipedia article that lists the current chief minister as atheist, which I believe is a valid reference source.

Please undo your change and include my edit.

Senthiledits (talk) 05:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

1) you cannot cite wikipedia in wikipedia 2) karunanidhi being an atheist doesn't mean there is a "vigorous atheist" movement in the state. All his children are openly theist. DMK does not state atheism in its official policies. The only party that does so is DK and it has a very small presence in Tamil Nadu 3) If you are making an assertion support it from reliable sources.

The atheist movement lost its sheen with the "ondre kulam oruvanae thevan" shift of Anna in early 1950s. Began with the "pillayarayum odaikka maattom, pillayarukku thengayum odaikka maattom" stance in 1953. It got diluted by successive parties and now there is very few overt instances of atheism. In short Karunanidhi != Tamil Nadu.--Sodabottle (talk) 06:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

In that case I would like to update the line with the following line under the religion section,

The state is ruled by an atheist Chief Minister M Karunanidhi .

Also, there are no sources for the claim that 88% of the population is Hindu. What are appropriate sources to get these numbers? Do online surveys and polls count?

Senthiledits (talk) 19:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

The religion stats are from the 2001 census. The reference is there in the Demographics section. I don't think adding MK's atheism is relevant to the religion section. It is relevant in his article, but here it might be WP:UNDUE. Maybe in countries like America, an atheist being elected head of government is significant, but in India its not a big deal. What we can add is there was a fairly popular atheist movement in the 1940s and it has lost support since. Lets see what Cartick thinks.--Sodabottle (talk) 20:46, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

agree with Soda. WP:Undue is the correct reason. I do understand what Senthil is saying and wish the atheist movement had a more lasting impact. --CarTick 21:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok. I will go ahead and add the following line to the Religion section "There was a fairly popular atheist movement in the 1940s that has lost support since." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Senthiledits (talk • contribs) 05:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

remove the word "fairly" it comes under weasel words. the rest sounds fine. --Sodabottle (talk) 06:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Help - Using ta.wiki Images in en.wiki

Hi Cartick,
Can you help me in using ta.wiki Images in en.Wiki. I want to use ta:படிமம்:Tanjai1000.jpg, ta:படிமம்:Tanjai_stamp.jpg, & ta:படிமம்:Rajarajancoin.jpg Images in en.wiki. Pls help me. ----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 11:05, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Ed Schultz

All edits were entirely true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.111.205 (talk) 21:19, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to remove the part about Schultz being an enemy of the state. Arzel (talk) 00:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Reason for undoing my revision.

Happened to notice that you just undid my revision in the Chennai city wiki page (The one about chennai being a gamma+ world city). Don't you think we should be mentioning that in our city's page? 59.165.163.25 (talk) 04:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

we can not litter the article with a collection of indescriminate information. if we dont define a threshold for inclusion, the article will soon become useless for readers looking for noteworthy information. I reverted your addition mainly because the notability of the organisation and the appropriateness of the methodolgy used by them still need to be universally accepted. --CarTick 13:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Győr

Since Győr is by law the capital city of Western Transdanubia Region, which is basically northwest Hungary, it goes without question that it is the most important city. If we consider size, population, legal and administrative position, etc. Perhaps not an authoritative source, but I am sorry have no time to chase sources to prove self evident facts, if you want, you can change it back, I am not going to start a row over this. Thanks.--Csesznekgirl (talk) 11:38, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Ajka

Ajka is not very far from us but I haven't seen the site, but friends who have, say it looks even worse than depicted in the news, the authorities didn't permit filming on the worst sites to prevent people from panicking. --Csesznekgirl (talk) 12:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

• They are channeling some acids to the rivers to neutralize the poison, but some experts say this might cause even more damage in the long run. The death of the fifth person has just been confirmed, who died in the hospital. --Csesznekgirl (talk) 12:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

About the Pallar article

In the Pallar article,many reference books and website links are shown. Many of which are written by other caste members and popular Tamil professors. One particular reference is Tamilaga arasiyal(monthly magazine) in Tamilnadu(Link is present in the article). Also many example's from Tamil literature is mentioned.Tamil1988 (talk) 16:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:PROF #1

Current consensus in academics related AFD's is if H-index exceeds 10, the subject meets #1 for WP:PROF. So i guess Arvind Iyer would qualify--Sodabottle (talk) 08:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

thanks. i think that was a bad decision then to nominate the article. anyway. i honestly think it is very low standard. lot of graduate students could qualify. my opinion doesnt count anyway. Thanks for letting me know. --CarTick 11:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you CarTick for the Barnstar. I appreciate it. Shyamsunder (talk) 11:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

October 2010

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Nair. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains consensus among editors. If unsuccessful then do not edit war even if you believe you are right. Post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. TFOWR 15:27, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Note: More than three reverts constitute edit warring and there is little need to template, and it is definitely not polite, to template a regular editor after two reverts. --RegentsPark (talk) 15:56, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

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