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Track times

I'm wondering where the track times in the article came from because I haven't found any source that matches up with them. After searching on Discogs, I came across a few scans with different times. We should find one hard source and cite it in the article. Most of the releases did not list the track times. The only vinyl I could find with track times was the German vinyl, so that's the times I would go with, but I wanted to get more input here.

–Dream out loud (talk) 01:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

They've probably been added from someone's CD-rip. I'll check my Vinyl, but I'm happy to go with whatever you suggest. Parrot of Doom 10:54, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Since you're one of the main contributors to the article and you think it's alright, I've gone ahead and changed the track times to that of the German vinyl. If there are any other original vinyls out there (from 1977) that have different track times, please me me know. –Dream out loud (talk) 05:41, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Parrot of Doom's obstruction

Parrot, you do not own this article. Your actions are unacceptable.

• Frankly I have little or no time for people who roll out the "own" argument. Take it for granted that I'm well aware of Misplaced Pages's policies.

• You have given no reasoning about why the rejection of Pink Floyd by punk music is in any way relevant to the album. Please explain it to me?
  • Its relevant enough for the sources used, its relevant therefore here. If you need it explaining, go and buy the books, as I did. You can read all about it there.
• Stop accusing me of deleting sourced material - I actually moved the punk section to the general Pink Floyd article where it is on topic (though overall not that important).
  • Yes, you moved it to the main article where it fits like a square peg in a round hole. It belongs here, not there.
• "Although for this new musical movement Waters' success might have counted against him, his concerns with inequality, prejudice, and the social-political attitudes of the day, were not far removed from those expressed by the new breed of rock bands." says more about this "new breed", is furthermore a overly lauding description of Roger Water. Again, it is not about the album.
  • It is about the album, since Animals is considered by some to be a reaction to the punk music popular at that time. It could perhaps use something like "in the opinion of author...", so I will check that later today.
• "Animals is loosely based on George Orwell's political fable Animal Farm, where various castes in society are represented as animals" - that much is correct, even though the word "caste" is not the best way to put it. But the specifics are problematic:
  • "dogs as enforcers of the law" - that is correct for both the album and the book, though they are not actually enforcers "of the law" in either case. Simply enforcers would do.
  • "pigs as ruthless leaders" - true for the novel, but not entirely for the album, which describes them all "charade you are". Is Mary Whitehouse considered a "ruthless leader" by the lyrics? The ruthless ones in the album are the dogs.
    • That's your interpretation, the source used differs.
  • "sheep as the mindless pawns" - the clearest mistake on that version's part: in the album, the sheep are the subjugated people which eventually rise up, but in Animal Farm, the sheep are the progandists of the pigs' regime, repeating their slogans ad nauseum.
    • See above reply.
• With the specifics, it is not clear in every case, whether the attribution is taken from the album or the novel. (You can look up the novel's allegory at Animal Farm.) I no case do they fit both. The album's desciprition can do without any of these.
  • I disagree.
• "the album is a critique of the worst aspects of capitalism" - is a violation of the NPOV policy. Please attribute this to someone, e.g. Roger Waters.
  • That was once sourced, but has either been moved and the citation appears elsewhere, or has been changed beyond recognition. I will track it down.
• "and although both advocate a democratic socialist ideal" - does the novel advocate that?
  • See above.
• And of course, the sheep would not rise up in the novel, as they are not the subjugated people.
• Your reference to a single source will not do, as that would have to be attributed to that source. You simply portray it as matters of fact.
• I changed the description of "Pigs" in accord with the article on that song - why restrict this to simply the "Mary Whitehouse" verse? And yes, "pro-censorship campaigner" is POV and (like her or not) misses her point entirely. Whatever does "one of the apocryphal pigs" mean? And never mind that Whitehouse is - in contrast to others - actually mentioned by name.
  • I see nothing about Margaret Thatcher on pages 243-244 of Blake's book.
• Your edits simply remove the actual context of the album in the situation Britain was in at the time.
• Why you insist that the abbreviation should be thrown into the mix (when WP has no space problem and the full term is more accessible and better stylistically) is beyond me. Probably you just reject any change by me or by anyone but you.
  • Because its inconsistent with other Floyd album articles.
• And yes, "British" is the adjective referring to the UK.
  • And "British" is also inconsistent with the other Floyd album articles, which use UK. Parrot of Doom 09:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Str1977 08:46, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

How about addressing the actual issues.

And how about not blanket reverting all the time - clear proof of your claim to WP:OWNership. Str1977

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