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Happy New Year

I thought that I would take the time to wish you and your loved ones a Happy New Year. :)--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 10:15, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Deprecated template

Since you undid my replacement of the deprecated Template:MedportalSA with the advised replacement Template:WPMED I have for the time being removed that template from the talk page of Evolution of sexual reproduction alltogether. As soon as you work out the issue and find a non-deprecated template that you would like to use, go ahead. Debresser (talk) 13:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't really care how that article is tagged, or even if it is tagged by the portal. I have very little interest in the portal. I only insist that the article, which is not within the scope of WPMED, not be forced into WPMED's list. If someone at the portal wants to get rid of a template for their own convenience, then s/he will have to do it in a way that doesn't conflict with the primary purpose of their preferred replacement template. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem. My involvement in this is also sidewise: I try to keep Category:Pages using deprecated templates empty. Debresser (talk) 21:34, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

"such as the United Kingdom"

Since edit summaries are so poor at communicating complex rationales, I've opened a discussion on the talk page of WP:IUP. Perhaps you would like to comment there? Apologies if I wasn't responding to the point you were making, I'm a bit lost on this one (and obviously missing some of the history too). Thanks, - Jarry1250  19:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

question

Hello. Thanks for your input regarding my changes regarding the special education page. I hope I wasn't too bold in my changes. Both inclusion and mainstreaming still need work, but I'm adding sources and information as I go along. I'm wondering how I go about changing the resource room page from "stub" class to something better. I understand this shouldn't be done unilaterally. As you can see I've been polishing it. the wikiproject education seems as active as a bridge game in a senior citizen home. Any and all input would be appreciated. Jim Steele (talk) 01:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Short of edit warring, I'm not sure that "too bold" exists in these under-developed and under-watched education articles.

The usual standards for article assessment are here. (Some projects have their own standards, but not WP:EDU.) Any editor can make quality assessments from Stub through B-class. If you want a simpler rule of thumb, try this for non-list articles:

• Less than about ten sentences: Always a stub.
• More than ten sentences, plus both at least one decent source and at least one section heading for content (==References== and similar appendices don't count): C-class.
• Too long for a stub, but no refs and/or no sections: Start-class.

Note that the rule of thumb I describe for C-class really is the absolute minimum, and many editors follow a rather higher standard, so if there's even the smallest doubt in your mind, choose the lower rating. Another, slightly squishier, way of looking at this is:

• If the article is tiny, it's a stub.
• If it's embarrassingly incomplete, it's start.
• If it's just enough to give someone a basic idea, it's C-class.
• If it's all the way to useful, it's B-class.

Hope this helps, WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:53, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

It helps. A lot. Thanks again. Jim Steele (talk) 03:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Attention

I have answered to your concerns at the attention talk page: I might have copied too much from the original Sholberg and Mateer text, but what that book you found does is much worse: it has copied full paragraphs and structure from at least 3 different articles. Maybe something could be done about it. Bests.--Garrondo (talk) 22:21, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks; I saw your message at Talk:Attention#Copyvio.3F and will reply. Let's keep the conversation there (and let's keep it solution-focused: anyone can make a mistake, and, besides, it's all my husband's fault anyway. ;-) WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:35, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

RfC

Thanks for the heads up. I was answering a Discussion point on a Talk Page today which some time. I will address the RfC issues in the next two days, as there is quite a lot there. Many thanks.

Asgardian (talk) 03:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

From my perspective, there's no rush and no deadline: Participation is voluntary -- and I'm not in charge anyway. I just wanted to make sure that if you didn't respond in the end, that it was a deliberate choice, and not the accidental result of a busy holiday schedule or some other factor.

I hope that the discussion helps resolve the dispute. Good luck, WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

External linksearch, namespace-restricted

Hi - I remember we'd talked in the past about the utility of being able to restrict an external-link search to a specific namespace (e.g. to get all the links to fda.gov from articlespace only, without all the talkspace and projectspace links). I've come up with a hack that adds an option to Special:LinkSearch allowing you to limit search results to specific namespaces. It's still got a few minor kinks, but it works OK for me so far.

Anyhow, if you want to give it a shot, you can go to User:MastCell/monobook.js and append its entire contents to User:WhatamIdoing/monobook.js. If you don't like the results, you can just revert your monobook.js to the previous version. I'd be curious to get some feedback on whether you find it useful (and whether it works for you). If you're not really up for cutting and pasting a huge amount of text into your monobook.js file, I'll probably spin it off into a separate file that could just be imported with importScript at some point. Anyhow, just thought you might be interested. MastCell  23:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'm interested, although I haven't acted on it. Are you willing to share this with a wider audience? User:Hu12 might be interested, as might anyone at WP:WPSPAM or WP:EL. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:25, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed your response. Yes, I'd be happy for anyone who wants it to use it. I think 2over0 (talk · contribs) has already started using it. You should be able to simply add the line importScript('User:MastCell/el-namespace.js'); to your monobook.js, refresh your browser cache, and it will work. (Probably easier than cut-and-pasting the whole thing). There are a few minor kinks - I think the only significant one is that the wikilinks don't quite work on the secure server. It's an easy fix, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. MastCell  01:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi MastCell,

The script won't play with me. I pasted the importScript line into my monobook, and reloaded. I get (yay!) a pop-up list of namespaces, but the 'Search' button is grayed out, and I can't get any search results.

(In case it might matter, I'm running Mozilla Firefox 3.5.7). WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:34, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, that's odd... I tested it with Firefox 3.5.3 on a Mac (running Mac OS 10.4, but that shouldn't really matter). I wonder if it's conflicting with one of the other scripts in your monobook.js. I made one small change - if you don't mind, try refreshing your cache again (shift + "reload" button in Firefox) and try it one more time. If it's still grayed out at the start, let me know and I'll go back to the drawing board. The button is supposed to gray out after you click it - momentarily - and then re-enable once the query has completed, but it sounds like it was grayed out right off the bat for you. MastCell  21:14, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I've switched computers for the moment, so I'm on 3.5.3. At least in this version (and/or with your change), the button isn't grayed out until after I click on it. I haven't managed to get any results yet, and I've switched to a test case that I know is in the mainspace. Is it perhaps exceedingly slow? I've only been letting it run for about two minutes before giving up and reloading the page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:25, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Nah, shouldn't take more than a second or two (it's basically as fast as a page load for me). Since it happened on 2 different computers (including one configuration that seems to work for me), I bet it's an issue where my script is conflicting with another one that you're running. That is, the problem is more likely specific to your account/monobook than to your computer. Let me think about it... MastCell  00:26, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

My department

Hey WAID. I am attempting to get my entire department to start contributing to Misplaced Pages along with all the students / residents who pass through. Need to get a few things in order however. These are the first 20 pages we will be looking at working on User:Jmh649/Sandbox9. Most deal with signs or symptoms and the approach to them from an emergency medicine perspective. I have proposed added some guidance on formatting for this type of page and would appreciate some input. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:58, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Let's talk at MEDMOS. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks

I thought your revision concerning books read on the internet was a most elegant solution to what I saw as an obvious absurdity. Now if you could only apply that clarity throughout the other ambiguities and contradictions I keep running into.... Nah, too much to hope for, lol.

Georgejdorner (talk) 04:39, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Improvements to pages like that often require tiny baby steps taken over very long periods (years, even). In the end, I hope that clarity will be achieved. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:17, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Neutropenia

An article that you have been involved in editing, Neutropenia , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Spiral5800 (talk) 13:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

if

If this persists .. please consider a blacklist request. It has been reported before for other links, they have quite a bit of stuff. --Dirk Beetstra 11:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that problem is quite a bit bigger than I expected. Thanks for being so thorough. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:25, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

New sections / categories

Several of us editors have been working on two new sections within the list of cutaneous conditions. The sections are next to each other, with the first being the palmoplantar keratodermas, followed by pregnancy-related conditions. Would you mind looking over these new sections, before we go through the effort of categorizing them, and give us any feedback you may have on the talk page? Regardless, thank you for all your help in the past. ---kilbad (talk) 00:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

MH 34 RFC/U

Hi WAID,

I was wondering how you noticed the RFC/U on Michael H 34. I contemplated adding notification to a couple pages (you, Jack-A-Roe and 2over0) but don't want to bombard people. Right now it's languishing, and it would be nice to have a few more comments if people feel comfortable.

Thanks, WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 17:29, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

It's on my watchlist. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:24, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm assuming you mean the overall RFC page? 'K, thanks! WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 20:29, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I mean that Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Michael H 34 is on my watchlist. So are WP:RFC and WP:RFC/U and other related pages, but they seem less relevant. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Did you add it, or have you auto-watchlisted all subpages for RFC/U? I'm mostly curious 'cause I don't know if you can do something like that. And if you've got a lot of experience with the RFC/U, I was thinking of pointing some people who have dealt with Michael H 34 before to the page (Jack-A-Roe, 2over0 and yourself were the three I know interacted with him on parental alienation syndrome and a couple other pages back in the summer). I would think it's a WP:CANVASS issue, but acceptable. In the past I have also made a point of alerting people who may be on the "other" side, or inviting the other editor to do so. In this case, I can't think of any. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 02:12, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I manually added it, but I suppose that you could bookmark (not watchlist) Special:RecentChangesLinked/Template:RFCUlist to get a similar effect.

I think that a brief, factual note (e.g., "I have helped file an RfC/U") might be acceptable under CANVAS. A single note to a relevant WikiProject might be more efficient, but I'm not sure which project(s) would be appropriate. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

My thoughts as well, thanks. Since it's about an editor with a very narrow focus within any wikiproject, the only way you have of getting any input into their behaviour is by inviting those with contact to comment. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 16:56, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Message for you

Hello,itis immunize.There is a message for you at the talk page of treatment of non hodgkin's lymphoma.Immunize (talk) 19:05, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Fever

Hey WAID this is not what the ref behind what I wrote said. Hyperpyrexia is any very high temp. Fever is a change in set point. Hyperthermia is a temp above the set point. The three terms are different.

From Uptodate Hyperthermia — Although the vast majority of patients with elevated body temperature have fever, there are a few instances in which an elevated temperature represents hyperthermia. These include heat stroke syndromes, certain metabolic diseases, and the effects of pharmacologic agents that interfere with thermoregulation. In contradistinction to fever, the setting of the thermoregulatory center during hyperthermia remains unchanged at normothermic levels, while body temperature increases in an uncontrolled fashion and overrides the ability to lose heat. Exogenous heat exposure and endogenous heat production are two mechanisms by which hyperthermia can result in dangerously high internal temperatures. (See "Severe hyperthermia in adults: Heat stroke and malignant hyperthermia".)

The source I was using might be wrong... Let me look into it more tonight. Cheers.

Hyperpyrexia — Hyperpyrexia is the term for an extraordinarily high fever (>41.5 ºC), which can be observed in patients with severe infections but most commonly occurs in patients with central nervous system (CNS) hemorrhages. Although antipyretics reduce the body temperature in hyperpyrexic fever, cooling blankets and cool water sponging are recommended to accelerate peripheral heat losses. However, peripheral cooling with cooling blankets can be counterproductive in the absence of antipyretics since cold receptors in the skin trigger reactive vasoconstriction, thus reducing heat loss mechanisms.

--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Much of what we had was not based on any references at all. Just trying to add some refs. Thanks for looking it over. Will be working on it further over the next few days. Started a template Template:HumanTemperature Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

This is what the ref says "Hyperpyrexia, or extremely high fever, may also be due to sepsis, but as the temperature rises, the differential diagnosis widens and includes less common conditions such as neuroleptic malignant syndrome and heatstroke" PMID 11476402 Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

The confusion doesn't surprise me; I remember it being difficult to sort out the sources the last time I looked into it, and some sources (including nearly all patient-grade sources) are shamefully lazy with their word choice. I remember seeing one textbook that listed the same condition as "fever" in the text and as "non-fever/hyperthermia" in a table on the same page.

But even accurate sources are complicated. For example, the ref you quote immediately above defines hyperpyrexia as an extremely high fever (which is true) -- and then names heatstroke as a possible differential diagnosis.

We could look at this somewhat imperfectly expressed source and conclude that heatstroke is a fever (except that you and I both know that heatstroke is never a true fever, by definition). Alternatively, we could conclude (correctly, and doubtlessly what the author meant to say) that heatstroke should be considered as a differential diagnosis. That is, that heatstroke is not hyperpyrexia, heatstroke is truly different from hyperpyrexia, but that the medical sign (severely elevated body temperature) that we initially attributed to a true fever might be caused by other, non-fever medical conditions (such as heatstroke). WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Also: if you look carefully at the first sources above, you'll see that they don't support a claim that hyperpyrexia is "any" very high body temperature, but support the claim that hyperpyrexia must be a true fever.

'Hyperthermia' at Uptodate doesn't mention hyperpyrexia, and the other defines hyperpyrexia as "the term for an extraordinarily high fever" -- not "any extraordinarily high temperature", but "an extraordinarily high caused-by-an-elevated-setpoint-temperature-true-fever". WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:59, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

(undent)

1. Have come across a fascinating reference that refers to fever as "controlled hyperthermia". Than calls what we define as hyperthermia as "uncontrolled hyperthermia".Axelrod YK, Diringer MN (2008). "Temperature management in acute neurologic disorders". Neurol Clin. 26 (2): 585–603, xi. doi:10.1016/j.ncl.2008.02.005. PMID 18514828. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
2. From further reading it appears to be any elevated temp "Hyperpyrexia by definition is core temperature of 106◦F/41◦C . The basic mechanism is a disparity between conservation and dissipation of body heat. Inadequate heat dissipation is often the cause. The various syndromes of hyperthermia are heat stroke, drug induced hyperthermia, neuroleptic malignant syndrome, malignant hyperthermia and endocrinopathy ." From this 2005 paper Recurrent familial cerebellar syndrome

associated with pyrexia. Ref 6 refers to Harrisons. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay have read harrison's and have concluded you are right. It is due to a change in set point. Will add a ref to confirm this. Thanks again for the review.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad you've found a really solid source.

What do you think about mentioning the loose/incorrect use of the term in the section? I'm not sure I could produce a source that directly says "some authors are sloppy" (although examples aren't hard to find, as you've discovered), but some readers might appreciate a brief alert about the confusion -- perhaps "Strictly speaking, hyperpyrexia is a severe fever..." or "Occasionally, an author will use this term loosely to refer to severe hyperthermia rather than a severe fever."

I could go either way, so whatever you choose is fine with me. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

vandals

The battle continues. There is a frequent vandal who has been editing special education. Jim Steele (talk) 18:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Two events in two months at one article isn't usually what Misplaced Pages considers "frequent", but if you're seeing problems with other articles, we might want to consider leaving a note at WP:AIV or WP:RFPP. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

WT:MED

I posted a new comment about condition variants/subtypes at the main medicine talk page, and would appreciate your thoughts if you have a moment? Regardless, thanks for your help in the past. ---kilbad (talk) 22:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I replied back on the med talk page. ---kilbad (talk) 04:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

WP:MED will always be on my watchlist, so notifications aren't actually necessary (and I wouldn't want you to go to needless work) -- but, having said that, if I'm being slow in responding, a friendly ping is always welcome, because sometimes I mean to comment "after just one more thing," and then get distracted. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

wp:citation needed

hello,

just curious, why the "essay" flag at wp:citation needed? I'm concerned that it might undermine the level of trust that people will place in what is otherwise uncontroversial advice; and that it adds another feature to an otherwise clean page. That being said, I've seen you around the encyclopedia a lot and I trust your judgment, I'm just curious to know why the sudden change.

I'd be very grateful if you put any response on my talk page, as I am not on WP very frequently these days.

cheers,

Andrew Gradman /_WP:Hornbook 04:02, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Victims of old vandalism

See Talk:Brain tumor#Causes; I indirectly indicated a statement of yours. JoergenB (talk) 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Collectonian

There's new evidence that Collectonian is continuing in her quasi-abusive, high-handed, anti-intellectual, dismissive, not very smart style. She's really a pox on Misplaced Pages. Perhaps it should be revisited since she seems to have responded poorly to a reasonable suggestion that she improve her practices. But then maybe you're not up for that, which I also understand. --Ring Cinema (talk) 03:59, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

If you want to whinge on my talk page, then that's (usually) okay with me, but have you considered the options at WP:Dispute resolution?

It doesn't look like you've ever been involved in a user RfC, so I have a practical suggestion for figuring out whether this forum seems like something you'd want to consider in your dispute with Collectonian: Try one out.

Specifically, please go read Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Michael H 34, look at the behaviors discussed there, and describe what you see (your "view") on the RfC/U page. It's a fairly quiet page, so people would be (very) grateful for any outside editor's willingness to spend an hour giving them a fresh, unbiased opinion and any advice that seems appropriate. It's also not terribly drama-oriented, everyone's being pretty civil, and the identified patient seems to be on a wikibreak, so it's kind of a safe one (and it might be pleasant for you to see editors disagreeing without being rude). Post your view, and watch the page for a week or two. See what happens, and see if you can help resolve the dispute. During that week or two, look over other RfC/U pages, and see what you think about how they're run. Then come back here and tell me what you think. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:46, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I have to ask...

Was this a joke? Swarm 08:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

No.

That problem needs to be addressed. It cannot be effectively addressed by WQA. They therefore need to file the RfC/User and proceed through that level of dispute resolution, even though Ratel and Gamaliel know that it is highly likely to be tedious, time-consuming, and unpleasant step.

Note that I also don't expect the RfC/U to produce a proper sense of sourcing in THF -- candidly, I'm not convinced that anything will, and a topic ban may be necessary -- but RfC/U is the next step, and it's time to move on. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:28, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree. One way or another, an RFC/U is in order. I just found it ironic that although THF filed the WQA, you explicitly told Ratel and Gamaliel to file it against THF. Thought it might just be sarcasm to point out that THF is actually the problem or something like that. Swarm 20:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Purely a practical point on my part: An RfC/U cannot be filed unless you can find two (or more) editors that have experienced and attempted to resolve the same problem with another editor(s). Ratel + Gamaliel = two editors. THF by himself can't get an RfC/U through the 48-hour certification stage. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Mentorship

Although I think that you are likely to be disinterested, I write to invite you to join others in becoming a co-mentor for me.

You may be unaware that the "Finding of facts" in the decision at Tang Dynasty explicitly encompasses a message on your talk page -- see User talk:WhatamIdoing#WP:V

Your experience will help remedy a deficit in the composition of a small group. The nascent status of a mentorship committee is clarified in the currently active thread at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification/Tang Dynasty. Hopefully, this mentorship experiment will prove to be more effective and less burdensome than previous wiki-mentoring schemes.

This is a time for hortatory concepts. Do you know this one?

"I am only one, but I am one. I can not do everything, but I can do something.

I must not fail to do the something that I can do."

If Wikiquote:Helen Keller#Misattributed is to believed, then I am not alone in linking these words with Helen Keller. The salient question becomes this: Does precise attribution matter in the context of a teachable moment? No – not always, but often.

What can I say or do to convince you to agree tentatively?

Core policies are the tools at hand; and if you agree to help connect the dots, it could benefit more than me. In this search for a mentor deemed acceptable by ArbCom, I cite Misplaced Pages:Mentorship#Unintended consequences as a plausible context for discussing what I have in mind.

Your background causes me to share something already explained to another prospective mentor, "Among a prospective mentor's many burdens, the most difficult would involve (a) helping me discern why or when I should apologize or (b) helping me to explain why or when I will not apologize in a wiki-context" -- see diff. May I offer an on-topic writing sample? As you think about agreeing to join a mentorship committee, please review Patrick Lennox Tierney#Showa apology rebuffed.

Are you willing to look into this a bit further? I assume that time constraints will limit your participation; but perhaps you might consider making yourself available as a "non-public mentor", as an advisor to the co-mentors whose questions are likely to be different than mine?

If you please, contact me by e-mail or on my talk page. --Tenmei (talk) 19:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Tenmei. I will consider your request for a few days, but my initial inclination is not to be a mentor.

I have a question for you: Are you familiar with the distinction between shame cultures and guilt cultures? Which kind of culture would you find more familiar or comfortable? WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:58, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

WhatamIdoing -- Thank you for your thoughtful response.

As you think about what you might be willing to do, please bear in mind that I'm asking you to join a group in which potential burdens or constraints will be mitigated. This is explained briefly at WP:A/R/C/Tang Dynasty#Response to Stephen Smith. If you like, please feel free to contact any of the others who are tentatively investing in this mentorship venture -- see User:Tenmei/Sub-page Alerts.

Your questions suggest a tactic which brings me closer to the perspective of someone I don't understand. Extrapolating from your lines of enquiry, the game theory focal point is shifted. I only begin to try to contrive a hypothesis derived from a point of view not my own; but it is a step in a useful direction. Thank you.

I have sent you an e-mail.

Please contact me by e-mail. I hope to build from this beginning; and I would prefer to continue this in an off-wiki venue. --Tenmei (talk) 06:47, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Whittemore Peterson Institute RfC

I have changed the timestamp position to see if the bot processes it as discussed and it does. So we can close this point on the RfC talk page.

Since you've responded to the actual RfC instance, it's worth saying that we had already discussed all of these issues in the talk pages in the weeks before, and thought we had an agreed consensus on all these points. K just waited a week then filed the RfC to reopen these discussions again without cross-referencing these discussions. On (1) and (2) we don't have a problem adding factual text, just not hoisting these points into the first few introductory lines of the article. There isn't a single MEDRS (or to my knowledge field expert) which describes this paper as controversial, and we already cover the media generated controversy. The history section already states that WPI has set up a small laboratory prior to the opening of its new facility later this year.

Re (3) our main argument always was the WP:UNDUE issue, but K also rephrased the source to imply something that it never actually said. The text she included was "working as a bartender", but the RS said that she was tending a bar at a yacht club. I've referenced PDFs from the yacht club website concerned showing that she was actually a member of the club (and a junior commodore). It's quite common in this sort of club for members to tend the bar on a voluntary basis. We asked her under WP:V to prove that Mikowits was "working as a bartender". She refused to do so, saying the onus was on us to prove that she was not. So her wording fails WP:V as well.

Re (4), at one stage we had a bunch of "A said", "B said" sources in the article which gave a balanced if somewhat tawdry summary of this use of the press. K kept deleting all the "B said" sources because her position was that this article was about A and therefore what B said was coatracking (even though they were criticising A). Again she also converted the wording from an observation by the journalist into a direct quote by Mikovits. After discussion our consensus was that it was best to remove them all and put in a blanket statement with the references for readers to look at if they wish.

We have no problem with including balanced content that passes WP:V and which isn't shown to be factually incorrect by other RS. But we do have a problem with the tactics and editing practices that this editor employs, but as I now know these are best addressed in a user RfC. -- TerryE (talk) 09:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Richard Lindzen

Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia! In case you are not already aware, an article to which you have recently contributed, Richard Lindzen, is on article probation. A detailed description of the terms of article probation may be found at Misplaced Pages:General sanctions/Climate change probation. Also note that the terms of some article probations extend to related articles and their associated talk pages.

The above is a templated message. Please accept it as a routine friendly notice, not as a claim that there is any problem with your edits. Thank you. -- TS 12:35, 21 February 2010 (UTC)