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Article contradiction

The genre stated in the introduction text ('rock') and the genres in the side panel (all subgenres of metal) form a contradiction. My instinct is to change the introduction text to 'metal', but thought it best to seek consensus first - which is correct? --Aseld 04:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

1.heavy metal is a subgenre of rock; 2.who says that the genres in the infobox are exclusively correct? - The second paragraph denotes several rock genres including the heavy metal genres.--  LYKANTROP  ✉ 09:37, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Nu metal

I can already tell that most RATM fans would be against this label, but it's kind of undeniable that they did have a huge influence on it and lets face it that their first album only came out 2 years before Korn. Some Slipknot bio even specifically states them as one of its pioneers( http://books.google.com/books?id=67tBhuvwLuYC&pg=PA21&dq=Rage+against+the+Machine+nu+metal+pioneers&lr=#v=onepage&q=Rage%20against%20the%20Machine%20nu%20metal%20pioneers&f=false ). I'm not going to put it in the infobox yet, so if anyone would like to debate please see here and have can have a fine civil debate. Rockgenre (talk) 00:56, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Anyone have something to say? I'm going to mention that they were pioneers of nu metal and again if anyone disagrees, please see the talk page. Rockgenre (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

• One person's opinion does not belong in the lead. Nu metal is a useless catchphrase invented by MTV, not a music genre. Rap rock and nu metal are not the same thing. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 10:07, 27 November 2009 (UTC))

Nu metal not a genre? Sorry, but that's just wrong. And please do not change the genre section in the infobox. RATM are widely considered a rap metal and funk metal band, if you have a problem with that please debate it here. Rockgenre (talk) 19:55, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

No one's disputing that, but rap metal and funk metal are subgenres of rap rock and funk rock. Guidelines clearly state not to include subgenres in the infobox. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 01:42, 28 November 2009 (UTC))

We can not ignore the fact that they have been cited as a major on nu metal. The term is not meant to be a put down or an insult to the group. Besides it isn't going in the infobox anyway. Rockgenre (talk) 06:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

RG, you have been repeatedly warned against making POV and unsubstantiated edits. Repeatedly restoring badly-substantiated info makes you look like a child. You are clearly not happy with the fact that I edit any article and want to revert any change I make based on your petty quibble. Goodbye. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 20:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC))

Facebook campaign

After finding this page mentioned in the wall posts on the Facebook group to get 'Killing in the name' to Christmas number 1 in the UK, I then found that there was quite a lot of information that has been moved around and changed regularly (see the history) and it included information that is changing constantly (such as bookmakers odds). Someone had even added it to the summary within the past hour.

Since (to the best of my knowledge) the band is not actively involved in this campaign, I have amalgamated the contents of the '1.4 Reunion and Tours (2007–present)' section and the 'Other Activism' section into the 2007-present section - does anyone disagree that it should only be in the Activism section if the band is involved directly? I'm not convinced 'reunions and tours' is correct either but it's no worse than before I moved it.

I've also removed from the summary, since the info keeps changing, and while it's news today, it may be forgotten in a few weeks, particular if it doesn't achieve the number 1 slot.

Any thoughts? Bertcocaine (talk) 22:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Does the band even know that it's happening? What are their thoughts and opinions if they do? MatthewWaller (talk) 08:29, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes - Tom Morello has acknowledged it as widely reported in the media. Have you read your user talk page lately? 94.192.116.135 (talk) 13:51, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Rage appeared on BBC Radio 5 Live and mentioned supporting the Facebook group and their charitable intentions - @ ~2:30: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rliEdnbwCOA&feature=related --WhirlwindChemist (talk) 19:33, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I (again) removed some random talk about the bookmakers odds. They keep changing, and in any case I'm not convinced that such information is notable, since it's as much a reflection of bet laying behaviour as the likelihood of something happening. The text added also only made mention of odds moving in the favour of RATM, and ignored the more recent trend back to Joe. I thought that implied bias, and have entered a note on my edit referring to this talk page. Anyone want to offer opinion? Bertcocaine (talk) 00:14, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not happy with the phrase "to rebel against the commercialization of the UK music industry." Mass purchase of a record produced by Sony is supposed to counter the mass purchase of another record produced by Sony? I'm pretty sure this is a protest against a particular genre or manufactured acts, rather than commercialisation of music. --EvilFred (talk) 18:54, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I concur - I have combined the first two sentences to remove this info. Bertcocaine (talk) 14:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

COWELL: Arent RATM owned by Cowell as well? Kentish 20 Dec 09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.223.236 (talk) 10:05, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Last time i checked, Simon Cowell does not own Sony. His Syco label is distributed by Sony, but that doesn't mean he gets money from all their other labels! Bertcocaine (talk) 14:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

There is currently a typo - the article says it's the Christmas 2010 number one. We're in 2009. I can't amend this as the article is locked. Can someone with access fix it?

This has been fixed - several people have added different lines with different refs to the result. I have tidied this up into 1 line showing 2 refs, and changed the tense to past. I've also changed the 'as of' reference on the facebook group - it is still growing after the result is announced, which is hardly an indication of people intending to purchase the track for this chart. I've also reduced the total slightly to 950,000 as that seems to me to be a reasonable notable total reached prior to the chart being announced. I've also inserted notes on the editing page to try and prevent anyone else rushing to add the result in their enthusiasm. Bertcocaine (talk) 19:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Moved from separate section: The reference refering to a BBC Radio interview audio link is broken.

Can this be changed to a link to the BBC itself for the same content, link below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pbq9j#p005n8wp —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awheewall (talk • contribs) 21:44, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. This link won't last for more than 6 days, though, so another one will need to be found or just a reference to an article about the incident. ElvisFan1981 (talk) 21:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Another request. On the "support for the UK Christmas #1" part of the Facebook campaign section, Dave Grohl is mentioned as a supporter twice. Can it be fixed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.146.51 (talk) 18:51, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps there should be a mention of the legacy of the campaign? For example will a similar campaign take place next year? The success of this years campaign has already inspired indie filmmakers to establish a spoof Facebook page ‘Rage Against the BBFC’ http://www.facebook.com/pages/RAGE-AGAINST-THE-BBFC/249158663367?v=wall —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.28.153 (talk) 18:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

The band, although not instigators of the campaign, were vocal supporters during the main week, including the live radio appearence, Tom's twitter and the interview with Zach on the radio for the announcement. They've also said they'll contribute some of their proceeds to a UK Youth Music charity and play a free gig in the UK if it makes #1,which it did. Although it's not "activism" and not started by the band there should be some reference somewhere with relevant links. I'll dig out some links over the weekend.Gavinturner (talk) 12:30, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Apoligies, I just scrolled down to where it used to be in the article & missed all the content completely, my bad.Gavinturner (talk) 12:33, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Genres

On album Rage Against Machine, Evil Empire and The Battle of Los Angleles are write as genres Alternative metal, funk metal and rap metal so why are in infobox on main page write rap rock and funk rock? --88.146.180.146 (talk) 14:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

And what about rapcore? Is it right to call RATM a rapcore band, because I've always thought that they were one of the first bands to combine these two genres. paulishere@mail.ru, Pavel, 25.12.09

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