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Quotations and simultaneous interpretation

I've moved this quotation to the talk page until the correct translation and Wilson's commentary is added, perhaps a small section talking about mistranslations:

"But when it comes to our age, we must have an automatic theocracy to rule the world. So, we cannot separate the political field from the religious. Democracy was born because people ruled the world, like the Pope does. Then, we come to the conclusion that God has to rule the world, and God loving people have to rule the world -- and that is logical. We have to purge the corrupted politicians, and the sons of God must rule the world. The separation between religion and politics is what Satan likes most."
- Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Third Directors' Conference, Master Speaks, May 17, 1973

Sentence and reference removed today

This sentence and reference was removed today from the "Criticism and controversies/Church role in munitions manufacturing" section. While the removed passage seems to be focused on some aspect of moral judgment of the churches involvement in manufacturing, I suspect that other information from this Post article could be used to flesh out this section.

According to the '']'', "Some former members and gun industry critics perceive a contradiction between the church's teachings and its corporate involvement in marketing weapons promoted for their concealability and lethality."<ref>"I see an irony, if not hypocrisy, that someone who professes peace and says he's completing Jesus's work also manufactures for profit an implement with no purpose other than killing people," said Tom Diaz, author of "Making a Killing," a new book critical of the firearms industry. "What's the message, turn the other cheek, or lock and load?" , By John Mintz, Washington Post Staff Writer; Wednesday, March 10, 1999; Page A1</ref>

Coatrack

I just tagged the article as a WP:Coatrack. The article on biography says: "A biography is a description or account of someone's life." By this standard this article is not a biography. It has a lot of information but not a description or account of Sun Myung Moon's life. I went though the article and counted the sentences. In 56 of them Moon is the subject. In 35 he is an object or passive subject. The other 90 are not about him but about other subjects; like his family members, various organizations, quotes that are not about him directly, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.254.42.79 (talk) 02:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

From coatrack: A coatrack article is a Misplaced Pages article that ostensibly discusses the nominal subject, but in reality is a cover for a tangentially related biased subject. The nominal subject is used as an empty coatrack, which ends up being mostly obscured by the "coats". So about half of this article seems to be a coatrack, but no way to give it half a tag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.254.42.79 (talk) 02:45, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, well, interesting analysis. A part of the article's problem is that it lacks a central theme. It starts out by saying Rev. Moon founded the Unification Church, then a bunch of other organizations including the Washington Times, then that he performed a lot of weddings. Is this what he is famous for? There is also a lot of background information missing. Like the fact that if you say the Bible is wrong (or has been misunderstood anyway) most Christians are going to be upset with you. Or the fact that the governments of North and South Korea have been hostile to each other. (Or the fact that many Christians are waiting for the second coming of Christ.) Besides that most of us who have worked on the article are not professional writers. Steve Dufour (talk) 12:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Autobiography

His autobiography, “As a Peace-Loving Global Citizen”, is a poignant account of the life experiences of this remarkable man. This book is already a best-seller in his homeland of Korea. (Internal church sources)

Can someone research this? I don't know enough Korean to check the "best-seller" claim.

I've heard also, from church sources, that the book was translated into English and is currently (?) being edited. --Uncle Ed (talk) 12:44, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Please do not add wholly unsourced information to WP:BLP articles. Cirt (talk) 12:52, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

What about a press release issued by a church-related group, and published by Reuters? --Uncle Ed (talk) 18:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Not a secondary source. Cirt (talk) 18:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Theocracy rumors

Someone removed a couple of quotes charging the church and/or Moon with planning to establish a theocracy.

I would, however like to see some (properly sourced) information about the church's views on governance along with critical response.

Can we quote church sources such as Rev. Moon or Divine Principle on this topic? I mean, what is the policy for reporting a man's views? Can you use his own speeches? --Uncle Ed (talk) 13:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Best to rely on secondary sources, not primary. Cirt (talk) 17:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, of course, but what about including a public statement from the church addressing accusations? Wouldn't this be like our coverage of political campaigns, where one side says that that the other's plan to raise or lower a certain tax will cause economic harm to some group of constituents? --Uncle Ed (talk) 18:16, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Would be best to find such a statement, often called a right of reply, printed in secondary sources. Cirt (talk) 18:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Lots of theocracy quotes in this Time Magazine piece from 1976. As usual, however, church members seem to be diligently scrubbing the Web of this stuff.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,914231,00.html

"MOON ON MOON: He is living in me and I am the incarnation of Himself.

The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the world.

MOONISM V. CHRISTIANITY: God is now throwing Christianity away and is now establishing a new religion, and this new religion is Unification Church."

You can also see the church itself reprinting Moon's speeches about an "automatic theocracy to rule the world" here at the speech archive "True Parents":

http://www.tparents.org/Moon-Talks/sunmyungmoon73/SM730517.htm

...while church members tend to claim that these statements are poorly translated or "out of context." If you Google around tparents.org enough, you will find these "right of reply" statements.

Note that the BBC doc "Emperor of the Universe" flatly states in its first few minutes that " stated aim is world domination." http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2215097044216099155&hl=en#

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