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What's in a name?

Name change.

Alternative medicine critics

Please help develop this. Use the talk page.

Stuff....

Misplaced Pages is behind the ball

This comment is very insightful. It shows a good understanding of the essence of WP:NOR:

• "Misplaced Pages is behind the ball - that is we don't lead, we follow - let relaible sources make the novel connections and statements and find NPOV ways of presenting them if needed." User:Benjiboi

Frei Hans, one of the most disruptive and dense editors I've ever witnessed, now indef blocked.

Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of TimBolen

Reputation

OMG! Bully for you, a diff

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject User Rehab - project start

Whig, the wisest editor ever to exist. This editor knows more than all the scientists that currently exist

• "There's no difficulty proving effectiveness, unless you insist on doing it wrong. We don't double blind informational therapies. —Whig (talk) 03:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)" (speaking of homeopathy)

Copyright

"In the U.S., prior to the Copyright Act of 1976, published works needed an explicit copyright notice to be covered by copyright law. (Lack of a copyright notice on a print run of Houghton Mifflin's American publication of The Lord of the Rings allowed Ace Books to publish an unauthorized version od the trilogy.) After 1976, all published works were covered, regardless of whether they had a notice or not, and unpublished works were covered as well -- so whether a webiste explicitly claims copyright or not is totally irrelevant. Ed Fitzgerald _{t / c} 18:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)"

Abd moving straw poll.....

Complete block log for all blocks

Intersect, tool

Prophetic words about User:NootherIDAvailable's demise. He turned out to be a sock of User:Dr.Jhingaadey!

NootherIDAvailable, this article isn't written for homeopaths, nor their customers, but for everyone. It's not a sales brochure written only from the viewpoint of homeopaths. You really need to understand NPOV better. One indication that NPOV is being met is when neither side of the issue is totally happy with ALL the information the article contains, but if they are good Misplaced Pages editors who understand the policies here, they will be satisfied only when opposing POV have been presented factually without promotion. To be a good editor here, one has to be willing to write for the enemy. Are you willing to do that? It doesn't sound like it. If you aren't willing to do that, or at least allow it, then you will only be a disruption here and will end up getting blocked or banned. Please make up your mind. This isn't your personal website or blog. This is an encyclopedia like no other. It has its own special set of rules, and no one understands them completely since they are constantly evolving to meet new demands. Some of our policies, like those related to Pseudoscience and Fringe subjects, were developed because of the actions of editors like yourself, IOW they were made to enable the canons of Misplaced Pages to shoot you and other editors like you. Since you seem to be new here, I suggest that you just lay low and stay out of the sights of those canons by not making too many waves. Give it time and you'll likely get the hang of it. Edit other subjects for awhile and learn the ropes. Good luck. -- Fyslee (talk) 05:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC) Source:

Misplaced Pages:Community portal

Bad websites

• User:Tom harrison/BADCITES

• MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist

• Related: MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist

Dealing with advocates of fringe theories

A comment of mine copied from here.

You say you are "not an advocate", but your writing says otherwise. That you have a POV on the subject, even an advocate's POV, is itself not a problem. We all have POV. It's when it causes you to perform original research synthesis violations, and without reliable sources, that the problem becomes evident. I have no doubt that you are trying to improve the article, but this isn't the way to do it. This is a fringe subject that is covered by our fringe theories guideline:

• In order to be notable enough to appear in Misplaced Pages, a fringe idea should be referenced extensively, and in a serious manner, in at least one major publication, or by a notable group or individual that is independent of the theory.

• Even debunking or disparaging references are adequate, as they establish the notability of the theory outside of its group of adherents.

That's why articles like this are treated differently than articles about proven ideas. In articles like this, mainstream sources (like Quackwatch) are given preeminence over fringe sources, and mainstream POV is also given preeminence over fringe POV. NPOV requires that all significant POV are presented, but fringe POV, being unsupported by scientific evidence, take a backseat to mainstream POV. Proven and unproven ideas are not given equal weight. Promoters of fringe POV should be glad that their ideas are even allowed to be presented here. It happens because Misplaced Pages's goal is to document the sum total of human knowledge and experience, but it must be done using verifiable and RS. If it isn't documented in such sources, and is only presented in fringe sources, then it gets very little, if any, coverage here. That's the way it works here. If you want to change that, then take your concerns and questions to the Fringe theories Noticeboard. Good luck in your future here. There's alot to learn, and learning to edit here according to our policies and guidelines is an education that will benefit you in many ways. -- Brangifer (talk) 03:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

RS/N: Usage of Quackwatch as RS in medical quackery

Homeopathy

• Conditions Under Which Homeopathic Drugs May be Marketed - FDA
• Homeowatch, especially the "Legal and Regulatory Matters" section

• Source

• A section considered unencyclopedic

Block and unblock of a POV pusher

• "unblock-un reviewed|Ok, so I seem to have been blocked for having an inappropriate name. I apologise profusely for this, I didn't realise at the time of creating this account that it could be taken offensively. So i would like to keep my edits etc, as I have put a lot of effort and time into edits I have made. I suggest the username 'Acromantula'|2=User:Acromantula is taken; please consult Special:Listusers to search for usernames to find one that isn't taken. While we're on it, if you username had been available I would be rather hesitant to unblock you. Yes, your username is (somewhat) offensive... but you were really blocked because you are POV-pushing. Admins are generally hesitant to block for POV pushing, because it's a judgment call. But I'm firm in my judgment, that's what you were doing. No one has been buying your argument that the Cold reading article should say that it is only "claimed" that people use cold reading. Your basis of argument is your own beliefs, rather than external factors like sources. And you continue to hammer the same points regardless of how many people have opposed them. In other words, you lost the argument and you should stop; it's crossing the threshold into disruption. So, if you find an available username I'm willing to unblock, and view this block as only about your username, but this POV-pushing behavior is a serious problem and if you don't address it you'll soon be blocked again. Mangojuice 16:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Source (Bold emphasis added.)

• Promises to reform: "unblock-un|Then how is the name 'machomonkey'? And i apologise if you dislike my edits, yet i have felt that they are biased towards the oppposite viewpoint. What I have done is not right, admittedly, although it is no worse than what has been done by others. If that is what is required, I shall change my ways." , but the edit summary says otherwise: "contested block and provided new name"

• Name changed from Phallicmonkey (monkey dick) to Macromonkey

• Reappearance while banned.

A prof

• "As a professionally qualified, licensed homeopathic doctor, it was irritating for me when my patients quoted from wikipedia - and when I read the article, I realised that every statement was criticised, unlike osteopathy, chiropractic etc." User:NootherIDAvailable

Editing controversial articles

Feel free to comment. -- BullRangifer / talk 07:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Spinal manipulation research

A collection of spinal manipulation research abstracts, news reports and other commentaries, with special emphasis on risks, plus some other interesting sources. Some sources on the related subjects of Chiropractic, Physical Therapy, Osteopathic medicine, and Osteopathy are also included. Some are of purely historical interest and others present the latest evidence. They are kept here as a resource for editing articles. This list is far from exhaustive. It is currently organized by year, for lack of a better system, which has the immediate benefit of helping to avoid duplication.

If you have any additional sources, suggestions for improvement or personal comments, please use the talk page. Thanks. -- BullRangifer / talk

Category:Ilena's early IP addresses

Nice navigation bar here

Misplaced Pages:How to edit a page

Excellent tips and tricks.

Straight version of chiropractic article

User:69.127.37.241 made this massive revamp of the existing Chiropractic article, leaving us with a version as only a very typical and truly deluded straight chiropractor could wish it. A very interesting object for study of the straight chiropractic mind. Believe it or not, this is classic chiropractic in 2008! Seeing this type of ignorance might be considered unbelievable to most, but for those who study the chiropractic profession, this is quite a common phenomenon. -- BullRangifer / talk 04:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Templates

• User:BullRangifer/Template_privacy
• User:BullRangifer/Background

• {{User:BullRangifer/Background}}

Created List of alternative medicine subjects

Done. -- BullRangifer / talk 04:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

All subpages

• Quackery definitions throughout history
• Alternative medicine critics
• User:BullRangifer/List of alternative medicine subjects

• Watchlist: List of alternative medicine subjects

• User:BullRangifer/Vandalism templates
• User:BullRangifer/Presidents
• User:BullRangifer/Pseudoscience stuff

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Supergroup (article), Traffic, Blind Faith, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Dire Straits, The Yardbirds, Cream, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Spencer Davis Group, Rolling Stones, Fleetwood Mac, Aerosmith, Queen, Big Brother and the Holding Company

Musicians

Steve Winwood, Dave Mason, Eric Clapton, Mark Knopfler, Jim Capaldi, Ginger Baker, Elton John, Sting, Phil Collins, John Mayall, Jimi Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page

It's all about our learning curve

Let's start with a quote from Dave Mason, a great musician and entertainer:

• "As for me, if I'd have known better, I'd have done better. It's all been lessons, and everybody's got their lessons to learn. I'm trying my best, and I'm certainly trying to learn from my mistakes. But I'd like to thank all the people that fucked me, because it's been quite an education."

It's all about one's learning curve. None of us is perfect or fully understands Misplaced Pages. We've got to learn from our mistakes and improve. An editor's collaborative potential and redeemability should be judged by their Wikipedian learning curve, not by exceptional and occasional displays of human frailty, that are then blown out of proportion and even distorted by their antagonists. Do they occasionally "cross the line" when under fire, which is quite human, or do they operate on the other side of the line most of the time, finding incivility and the personal attack mode to be their natural element? A look at the totality of an editor's contributions is essential before making judgments. A positive learning curve is what it's all about. - BullRangifer

Wikiproject User Rehab

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List of scientifically controlled double blind studies which have conclusively demonstrated the efficacy of homeopathy

List of scientifically controlled double blind studies which have conclusively demonstrated the efficacy of homeopathy

Nullity? - 2/0 (cont.) 04:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

What on earth?

{{Adminhelp}}

Context:

Chris G blocked me for 12 hrs., claiming I have done something which I did not intend. Nothing in what I wrote him could imply what he claims. (I wrote: "Please take a look here" with this link. That's all. I could have no way of knowing how he would react. There was no vote being taken, just a discussion. I wanted more eyes from experienced people, and I thought an experienced admin like him might provide some words of wisdom. Instead he blocked me.) This was done without even contacting me or warning me, so a misunderstanding based on "I personally think" has resulted in me getting a spot on my block log. Since when are experienced editors who act in good faith treated this way? I have not sought to get User:Pedro thy master blocked or banned, yet this happens to me. Very odd. I expect an explanation, an apology, and my block logged fixed.

I'm fortunately inexperienced with blocks, and to my consternation I note that (contrary to what the block notice states):

• "Even if blocked, you will usually still be able to edit your user talk page and contact other editors and administrators by e-mail."

I am unable to contact Chris G by email. Something needs to be done about that message.

This block was given too fast and on a very shakey basis. Brangifer (talk) 14:22, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Try an {{unblock}} request, you'll get more relevant attention. --Closedmouth (talk) 15:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

According to your block log, Chris G blocked your email. Sometimes it happens by accident (at least it often happened when the feature was new), but he may also have done it because the block reason was an email. I saw that Sandstein complained about an email from you. Was this about the same matter? In any case I guess Chris G saw the two emails as part of a pattern. Chris G forgot to leave an instructive notice and an explanation. I believe that's generally considered bad form. (Administrators should also notify users when blocking them by leaving a message on their user talk page unless they have a good reason not to. It is often easier to explain the reason for a block at the time than it is to explain a block well after the fact. ) Perhaps he thought you were used to blocks and knew why you were blocked. Hans Adler 19:40, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

PS: The reason for the block review result doesn't seem to be any more helpful. I certainly don't see what's going on. Hans Adler 19:40, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree. It also assumes bad faith without knowing the basis for the problem. No one has asked for an explanation, or even contacted me by email to ask what's going on. They have just shot first, and aren't even asking later. There were some other emails about other types of problems, but without any expectation of action. Maybe those who don't want to receive emails should fix their preferences accordingly, or Misplaced Pages could make a policy that emails must never mention Misplaced Pages or anything happening there. Then the email function would just be a public email hosting function unrelated to Misplaced Pages. Hmmm. Brangifer (talk) 23:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

OMG!!! I have just opened my email, and what is there, an email from the Sandstein. It's a totally unrelated matter, so I won't discuss it here. That's a freaky feeling, having just read and then written the above, and finding an email immediately afterwards. Brangifer (talk) 23:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Valjean (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

See above

Decline reason:

Your block is of short duration, which reflects the tolerant approach of the blocking admin. Canvassing is naughty. --Anthony.bradbury 19:37, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

So this is about WP:Canvassing? Hmmm...so a friendly and completely neutral message is considered improper canvassing? Hmmm...no AGF here I see. Brangifer (talk) 19:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Obviously without knowing the emails and going through all your recent contributions I can only guess, but it looks to me as if you posted to ANI with a request that needed attention by experienced editors but not necessarily by admins. This is apparently being interpreted as an underhanded request for a block – something that I believe would be completely out of character for you. Hans Adler 20:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I have clearly stated that I am not interested in a block or ban, only more eyes to follow that user's contributions. I think it's an immature user who is blundering along, and by ignoring much advice and many warnings, is constantly violating policies and guidelines. That makes them a disruptive factor here that wastes a lot of people's time. They need mentorship and possibly some form of topic ban until they learn how to do things. I really am looking for more input on what to do. I don't know, that's why I took the situation to the board. I acted in good faith and got punished for it.

BTW, the content of my email is mentioned above. It was totally neutral, which is why I was shocked by the block. Never has anyone warned me that this type of email was considered improper canvassing. These types of emails are sent all the time to and from me, often with admins. No one has ever uttered any doubt about it.

What is really ironic about this situation is that what the blocking admin suggested I could have done, and gave an example, is precisely what I deliberately avoided doing, because THAT really would have been canvassing to get a definite result. I didn't do that, and chose a totally neutral "Take a look", and that got (using very bad faith, and assuming I wanted the user blocked, even though I had already stated I didn't want that) mistakenly interpreted as an attempt to influence the discussion in some undetermined manner. This is a really weird situation. Admins who shoot first, without AGF, are really what makes this project not worth it sometimes. Brangifer (talk) 23:37, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Chris, please explain

Now that my block has expired, please explain to me in what manner my email fits what you wrote in my block log:

• "Spamming people to change the outcome of a dissusion (Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Numerous_problems_caused_by_User:Pedro_thy_master) is unaccpetable."

I just want to understand this so as not to repeat some apparent error in judgment. (It's too late to undo the damage that has been done to my honor.) Brangifer (talk) 00:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)