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| I can be about as hard-nosed a bastard as they come when necessary, but the daily grind of being told what a shit you are can begin to tell, even if you don't immediately recognise it. Do yourself a favour, pull the plug. --] ] 23:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC) | I can be about as hard-nosed a bastard as they come when necessary, but the daily grind of being told what a shit you are can begin to tell, even if you don't immediately recognise it. Do yourself a favour, pull the plug. --] ] 23:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
| :Sorry, but I'm not going to. I want everyone to see how this will play out, the level and types of opposes, the types of people that I deal with, the ill will, and the rest. People like EVula only prove that they have no legitimate concern and made it clear with the rationale that they have. This undermines then in the future if they ever try to get rid of me or the rest. So, even if I don't become an admin everyone knows exactly the type of personality of those who start things with me. ] (]) 23:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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If you have any problems, concerns, or just want to comment on my actions and behavior in general, please leave a message here, or if you would like to discuss things, my talk page and email is available for use. A watch page has been created that will list areas that I might have problems with and may need help with. - Ottava Rima
My RfA
Attention anyone to posting on this page - my RFA is real and its not a joke. If you are coming here to ask, please be sure to keep that in mind. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well, it's not going great, but it's going better than I would have expected. About 50/50 so far. Just a reminder not to take what the opposers say too seriously. I'm always amused when I see opposes based on "our best article writers shouldn't become administrators because it takes them away doing what they do best". Taken to its logical conclusion that would mean that the pool of admin candidates ought to be restricted to our worst article writers ... come to think of it ... :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum 13:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- I don't care either way. I can count at least 35 people that haven't even bothered to look into the page that I think would support me. It will be interesting. : D Ottava Rima (talk) 15:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- So, Aitias ensured that he will go through ArbCom by opposing me. Great stuff. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Re clarification on oppose on q7. I'd want admins that would take charge of de-admining others for bad edits like . I hope my oppose vote don't get you down - I think your position is reasonable, we just disagree. -- Jeandré, 2009-04-01t21:41z
- Admins can't desysop. :| — neuro 21:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Bizarre. --Malleus Fatuorum 23:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Edit counter
Ottava,
I know that different counters apparently count different ways to get different numbers, but according to this counter you have nearly a thousand edits to go before you hit 10,000. Perhaps you are also including edits from other Wikis.
Cheers. --Doug Coldwell 22:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- The joke was that I shouldn't pass 9,000. :) I did it yesterday. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Equation for happiness :)
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Happy April Fools Day :) Steve Crossin : Chat 03:24, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
(And Good luck for your RFA :) Steve Crossin : Chat 10:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Talkback
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- Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 17:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
You do know why your RfA is failing right?
It is because no OR is one of our core policies ;-) ---I'm Spartacus! 17:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- ROFLMAO!!! I negate one of our core policies by merely existing! Oh noes! Ottava Rima (talk) 17:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Hi Ottava, I am sure that your skin is thick enough to take all this. All I can offer is empathy; but it can't be a good feeling nonetheless. Best wishes, Graham. Graham Colm 21:25, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Take RfA with a grain of salt (or a glass of wine). I suspect you aren't surprised with some of the comments (although there are some editors I'd like to shake because their tone is really inappropriate). I have a great deal of respect for your mainspace work, as do many others posting, and I hope that message doesn't get lost in the RfA nonsense. I also really appreciate that you chose today to post the nomination - that was quite funny :) Karanacs (talk) 21:32, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- If you want funny, you should see User:Ottava Rima/B for the parody version. I thought that the best joke was making people think that I would make a joke nom and then actually make a real nom. People were completely surprised. : D But yes, in regards to inappropriate opposes, I have to say that there is one from a certain user that was totally inappropriate. :P!!!! Ottava Rima (talk) 00:31, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Surely by now you've figured out that I'm not always appropriate? I even wear white shoes after Labor Day, and my handbag almost never matches my shoes. Karanacs (talk) 19:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- OMG! I now have to oppose your FACs because an individual who wears white shoes after Labor Day probably has a poor sense of judgment and obviously can't handle references properly. :P Ottava Rima (talk) 19:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Surely by now you've figured out that I'm not always appropriate? I even wear white shoes after Labor Day, and my handbag almost never matches my shoes. Karanacs (talk) 19:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- If you want funny, you should see User:Ottava Rima/B for the parody version. I thought that the best joke was making people think that I would make a joke nom and then actually make a real nom. People were completely surprised. : D But yes, in regards to inappropriate opposes, I have to say that there is one from a certain user that was totally inappropriate. :P!!!! Ottava Rima (talk) 00:31, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Answer
Does this mean that everything that is wrong is that admins refuse to discuss blocks with non-admin? Because we all know that it is true and how most admin operate. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Here's to the GFDL ;)
- I am going to do my best to give this as much of a thought out reply as possible, so it might be lengthy. It might not. We'll see where my mind goes.
- I don't edit much these days. Work takes up most of my mental stress and I just read for the most part these days. I still read practically everything, and I'm familiar with your vocalness of what would have to be described as the minority side. Not wrong or against consensus, but you are generally disagreed with on most issues.
- I am all for that. I enjoy reading your thoughts, though they generally disagree with mine, because I would much rather hear from people that disagree with me than agree. That encourages thinking and that's a hobby of mine.
- I would have supported your request for adminship. I nominated Walton One twice for the bit, and I disgree with him on every single issue we have discussed.
- So what it comes down to is what I perceive to be a snarky reply to that question. You have been pushed around by users before when in discussion because they said in other terms that "I'm an admin and you are not. So you are wrong." That is not appropriate, and sometimes those users were admonished for acting that way. It is unbecoming conduct. So to say what you did, that you would use it as leverage, is wrong and you know it. Administrating is just doing the job as laid out, not a caste. Again, you know this.
- I had hope for your RfA when I saw it in the contents. I was disappointed by how you chose to present yourself. For the time you've spent reading RfA, you had to know how that would go and how your answers would be received. Seriousness and practicality is what I look for in a candidate, and you did not expose it with this application.
- Long story short: you didn't have to say you'd be a dick back to the people who have for so long been dicks to you. Keegan 04:12, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- P.S. I disagree with your premise that that is how most admins operate. Of the 600~800 active admins, only about 30 act that way. And they disgrace us all with their drama. Most admin action goes about quietly in the dark without issue, as it should. Perhaps you should shy away from typecasting and realize that some people caste their type. Keegan 04:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I have been in many discussions with admin stating that I'm not an admin so they could ignore me on the issue, so I speak from experience. :) Normally, the admin who re willing to listen to someone like me don't get into the situations in which someone like me has to be vocal. By the way, my answers were serious, so if you felt that they weren't, then so be it. The only times that I mentioned "leverage" is for unblocking discussions, advocating during ban discussions, and ArbCom enforcement. None of those situations can really be said to put me into the position of using the admin ops to threaten anyone. Quite the contrary, they would be using it to justify that I should be listened to as a fellow admin with the ability to unblock if necessary. Where have I stated anything about being a dick to anyone? Ottava Rima (talk) 04:26, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Using status as an admin in any discussion is being a dick, in my opinion. I wouldn't do so. I will explain actions I have taken as carring out an administrative task, but not to use it as leverage. As you agree with me that admins have used the hat to ignore you before and that this is wrong, I cannot imagine that you would think that being an admin would or should give your argument in a discussion more weight. It never should for any user, and it is tragic that people both behave and read the context in such regard. That you are willing to think as such is just as tragic. My opinion, you asked for it, and frankly I don't care to continue discussing this. Keegan 05:01, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm referring to admin only situations. Blocking and unblocking is done in the realm of adminship. Status there plays a part. ArbCom enforcement particularly relies on admin. Its hard to review a block if you aren't an admin, no? Ottava Rima (talk) 05:08, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm well skilled in rhetoric and debate, and dammit you keep bating me. Your reply questions keep moving the chains and we are no where near the line of scrimmage. I have replied to you conserning my opposition. This obstinance in arguing is what gets you into trouble in the first place. You will not change my mind, you will not prove fault on my rationale. This is the crucial ability in long-term viability on Misplaced Pages: I am walking away from this, my opposition stands. Keegan 05:16, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I don't mind if you oppose. I just had a question. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 05:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm well skilled in rhetoric and debate, and dammit you keep bating me. Your reply questions keep moving the chains and we are no where near the line of scrimmage. I have replied to you conserning my opposition. This obstinance in arguing is what gets you into trouble in the first place. You will not change my mind, you will not prove fault on my rationale. This is the crucial ability in long-term viability on Misplaced Pages: I am walking away from this, my opposition stands. Keegan 05:16, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm referring to admin only situations. Blocking and unblocking is done in the realm of adminship. Status there plays a part. ArbCom enforcement particularly relies on admin. Its hard to review a block if you aren't an admin, no? Ottava Rima (talk) 05:08, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Using status as an admin in any discussion is being a dick, in my opinion. I wouldn't do so. I will explain actions I have taken as carring out an administrative task, but not to use it as leverage. As you agree with me that admins have used the hat to ignore you before and that this is wrong, I cannot imagine that you would think that being an admin would or should give your argument in a discussion more weight. It never should for any user, and it is tragic that people both behave and read the context in such regard. That you are willing to think as such is just as tragic. My opinion, you asked for it, and frankly I don't care to continue discussing this. Keegan 05:01, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I have been in many discussions with admin stating that I'm not an admin so they could ignore me on the issue, so I speak from experience. :) Normally, the admin who re willing to listen to someone like me don't get into the situations in which someone like me has to be vocal. By the way, my answers were serious, so if you felt that they weren't, then so be it. The only times that I mentioned "leverage" is for unblocking discussions, advocating during ban discussions, and ArbCom enforcement. None of those situations can really be said to put me into the position of using the admin ops to threaten anyone. Quite the contrary, they would be using it to justify that I should be listened to as a fellow admin with the ability to unblock if necessary. Where have I stated anything about being a dick to anyone? Ottava Rima (talk) 04:26, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- P.S. I disagree with your premise that that is how most admins operate. Of the 600~800 active admins, only about 30 act that way. And they disgrace us all with their drama. Most admin action goes about quietly in the dark without issue, as it should. Perhaps you should shy away from typecasting and realize that some people caste their type. Keegan 04:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm pretty clear on who's been acting like a dick recently, and it isn't Ottava. --Malleus Fatuorum 20:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I respectfully disagree with your premise about me acting as a dick. I never said that Ottava was, either. I said that when admins throw their weight around because a few buttons is dickish. My request to you (Malleus) was that you please have some perspective. Ottava, it was nice discussing this with you. Keegan 20:34, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm pretty clear on who's been acting like a dick recently, and it isn't Ottava. --Malleus Fatuorum 20:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Good luck!
It was my pleasure to be able to support your RFA, since your suggestion that I be banned (for what reason I was never sure) was roundly ignored. Have a wonderful day, and best of luck with your RFA. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:00, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I waited until today so that I could be sure it wasn't just an April Fool's prank, but I wanted to jump in sooner. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Link? I haven't a clue as to your name. Did you go by another? Ottava Rima (talk) 05:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi
Hi, it looks like you could use some extra votes on your request for adminship. If you support mine, I will support yours. Wetman88 (talk) 02:32, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- This sounds legit to me. Maybe you should do it. — neuro 03:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- LOL What? Gesh, just because I chose April 1st doesn't mean that I expected all of this. ;/ Ottava Rima (talk) 04:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Has it reached the tipping point yet?
At 47 supports and 83 opposes do you think there's anything to be gained by keeping your RfA open? My last one I withdrew at 46/40, largely because the grinding criticism was starting to wear me down, even though I'd had no great hopes of success in the first place.
I can be about as hard-nosed a bastard as they come when necessary, but the daily grind of being told what a shit you are can begin to tell, even if you don't immediately recognise it. Do yourself a favour, pull the plug. --Malleus Fatuorum 23:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I'm not going to. I want everyone to see how this will play out, the level and types of opposes, the types of people that I deal with, the ill will, and the rest. People like EVula only prove that they have no legitimate concern and made it clear with the rationale that they have. This undermines then in the future if they ever try to get rid of me or the rest. So, even if I don't become an admin everyone knows exactly the type of personality of those who start things with me. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)