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	::::::This is not harassment. Please don't dispute to me, of all people, what is. ''']''' <sup>(])</sup> 16:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)		::::::This is not harassment. Please don't dispute to me, of all people, what is. ''']''' <sup>(])</sup> 16:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::"Of all people"? Dude, I know you meant that as a kick to the chops, but you rather reinforce my point: I ''do'' know what harassment is, as I've been the target of such and have been accused of such. As well, its just common sense. If you aren't prepared to say something with your own account and identity, don't say it at all. Essjay, for all of his clusterfuckery, did suggest that before you hit the Enter key, ask yourself if what you are posting furthers the encyclopedia. Your posts didn't, and I think you know they didn't. When you need to blow off steam, go for a walk, play a video game, read a book: you don't post harassing comments. This is not rocket science, friend. - ] ] 16:24, 28 August 2008 (UTC)		:::::::"Of all people"? Dude, I know you meant that as a kick to the chops, but you rather reinforce my point: I ''do'' know what harassment is, as I've been the target of such and have been accused of such. As well, its just common sense. If you aren't prepared to say something with your own account and identity, don't say it at all. Essjay, for all of his clusterfuckery, did suggest that before you hit the Enter key, ask yourself if what you are posting furthers the encyclopedia. Your posts didn't, and I think you know they didn't. When you need to blow off steam, go for a walk, play a video game, read a book: you don't post harassing comments. This is not rocket science, friend. - ] ] 16:24, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
			::::::::There was a quote on Misplaced Pages Review that made me laugh when I mentioned a few weeks ago Kurt had been harassing: "SlimVirgin's idea of harassment, or actual harassment?" (inferring one isn't and one is). I know the difference, and this is the former. It's vandalism, but not harassment. ''']''' <sup>(])</sup> 16:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

	:While I fully endorse FT2's block, I suggest an appeal on this should go to the Arbitration Committee. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)		:While I fully endorse FT2's block, I suggest an appeal on this should go to the Arbitration Committee. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
	::: Not clear to me why the community can't handle this - and probably far more satisfactorily? ] <sup><span style="font-style:italic">(] \| ])</span></sup> 16:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)		::: Not clear to me why the community can't handle this - and probably far more satisfactorily? ] <sup><span style="font-style:italic">(] \| ])</span></sup> 16:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

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What's up?

I was strongly considering blocking you for disruption (but I'd prefer it doesn't come to that.) It's been going on for days, at least. Will you stop, or will someone need to stop you? Friday (talk) 16:58, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Constructive suggestion?

Hey, thanks for your responsiveness about the "Stolen Earth" images. Now, let me genuinely try to be constructive for once, in return: how about that other old idea of yours about having an image from that climax scene of the doctor dying? It would be a bit similar to the "Last of the Time Lords" one we fought over so hard, but unlike in that case, here you'd actually have the "critical analysis" in place, because the scene is covered substantially, and not just in the sense of a renarration of the plot. How about one of those with Rose holding the dying Doctor in her arms, like here, caption along the lines of: "The climactic final scene, described as a "bitter moment of high emotion", as the Doctor is seemingly dying in Rose's arms. (bah, a bit long, but you get my drift.) (Trouble is, if you want it in the infobox, you'll probably want a longish caption to make the analytic significance transparent. In my opinion at least, it really helps if the caption refers explicitly to the analytic aspect, rather than just to the plot.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Tag at WP:CIV

Actually I had best intentions when putting that up, and was meaning it to be pointy. I apologise that it came across that way. However, when one person disputes a page, the tag should be applicable to one person. I don't see a reason to have the full tag on the page because it's not disputed, so I replaced it with one for an individual user. No other meaning was intended or implied, and I was reverted for being pointy (which I wasn't being), so I consider this matter concluded. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 20:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

heh. Is that first sentence Freudian? (was meaning it to be pointy ?) Keeper ǀ 76 20:51, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

*'t. Apologies. PeterSymonds (talk) 21:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

On the double man, on the double!

Well, maybe not on the double, but Jimbo and I would be pretty tickled if you could work some magic for him. :D — $PЯINGεrαgђ 03:31 8 August, 2008 (UTC)

Rock music WikiProject

I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Rock music WikiProject. There's alot of Rock-related articles on Misplaced Pages that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few Rock music pages into the front ranks of Misplaced Pages articles. Thanks! --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 09:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - August 2008

The WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter

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The WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter
Issue I - August 2008

Important Project News

There is a discussion under way on what this project should include. Currently, the main topic is only the Eurovision Song Contest. Some believe that both the Junior Contest and Dance Contest should be included. Tell us your thoughts at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Project Scope.
There is currently a backlog of assessments; the project's assessment rate stands at 35.1%. Please add {{EurovisionNotice}} to the talk pages of all Eurovision related articles if it is missing and read Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help assess the articles as well.
The project main page is the in middle of a major revamping. To get a sneak peak of the work in progress, see the draft.
In the coming days/weeks, instructions for the use of all Eurovision templates and descriptions for the layouts of pages will be up and running. As of now, a few templates are already complete: see {{ESC National Year}} and {{Infobox ESC entry}}.
Remember to source all information you add to pages or else it may be removed. ESCToday and Oikotimes are great places to find information.

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The Project says thank you to the following editors for doing an excellent job within the project during the past weeks. (alphabetical order)

From the Members

Welcome to the first issue of the WikiProject Eurovision newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do.

About two weeks ago, I was bold and decided that our entire WikiProject needed to be reorganized. I am seeking to put into effect new guidelines on page layouts, templates, and basically to make all related articles consistent. Part of this reorganization included improving our assessment department since one didn't really exist before and completely reformatting the main page.

Also, it is my opinion that the project be renamed "WikiProject Eurovision Song Contest" and that the Junior Eurovision Song Contest be officially included. I believe that the Eurovision Dance Contest should be separate since it shares nothing in common aside from the EBU.

We also need to work on bringing new members into this project; especially during these months when not much is going on in the Eurovision world. If you would like to invite someone to join the WikiProject, our invitation template on their talk page. Now is when we need to get our project's pages up to par for next year's contest and make everything as accurate and in depth as possible. Let me know if you have any comments or suggestions for the project on either my talk or the project's.

Happy Editing, Grk1011 (talk)

Delivered by Grk1011 (talk) 16:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Barry George

I've reverted this redirect as it was stupid thing to do, and whatever happens on other articles is no precedent for this sort of thing. Thanks. --Rodhull andemu 22:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

I have directly contacted members in the discussion about DYK directly on their talk page so that we can all come to an understanding. Many of the DYK people feel sensitive over abrupt changes to DYK because of recent history. I hope you can understand and respect that. There are strong feelings on both sides, and the action has been done. Ryan offered to allow another admin willing to change it to do so. However, its no longer on the main page, so I hope we can all move on without too much ill will and a mutual understanding of everyone's feelings and worries. How does that sound? :) Ottava Rima (talk) 01:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Criticism of Windows Vista

Well, that was pretty dumb of you. "Criticism of" articles are not always POV forks... especially in the case of large computing articles, as Windows Vista certainly is, it's a simple WP:SUMMARY-style expansion. This is amply explained in the very guideline you attempted to hold up as a reason for its deletion. In the future, when considering whether to put up an article for deletion, do some research as to why the article was created in the first place. Also, reviewing a prior AfD to see what people thought of it then is useful research, too -- not a single person voted to delete the article then. Your future commitment to not wasting other editors' time will be appreciated.... thanks. Warren -talk- 08:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Imperial Napoleonic Triple Crown

Thanks so much for all of your efforts on the Doctor Who stuff, I am having a blast reading through it all. :) Cirt (talk) 00:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

TARDIS cake

		*The Yummy TARDIS cake Doctor Who* Barnstar**
		For outstanding contributions to WP:DOCTORWHO articles, I award you this cake. Enjoy, Cirt (talk) 00:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Megan's Law

Please do not erase 2/3 of an article (Megan's Law) without consensus and discussion. I will continue to revert such edits and may report them to the administration as vandalism if you insist on wholesale deletion rather than helping to make the content fit the policies you cite. Deleting the content makes it unavailable to be repaired or re-worded to fit the policies. Feel free to rewrite or modify the text to fit policies, but simple removal of it all is not a solution to the problem. Daivox (talk) 14:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I have received a third opinion, taken a long, hard look at the article's content, and determined that even if the policy violations were ignored, the content belongs in sex offender registration if it belongs anywhere, and it is also a spaghetti mess that isn't really worth repairing. Thus, you were right, I was wrong, and I've taken the steps needed to remove those sections cleanly. A little bit of the content was salvageable, but not much. Daivox (talk) 19:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Undid an edit of yours

I undid this edit because it broke the references. --Elliskev 18:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Apologies for the misunderstanding. I responded at my talk. --Elliskev 18:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

You might...

...want to read through your comment again. I had a hearty laugh. :P Asenine, 07:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Can I finally get that range ban?

As this is the IP anon's 7th or 8th ANI complaint, targeting me and me alone. - Arcayne () 03:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Music of the Spheres

Looking through the edit history for this article, I notice you have removed large chunks of this article without explanation either in the edit summaries or on the talk page. The sections removed cited numerous reliable sources and were written in the style of sections apparent on many Doctor Who articles. Please could you explain why you think these cuts are necessary, especially as I think they should be restored? Wolf of Fenric (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks for that break-down. I'm pretty sure that defences line is muttered by the Doctor whilst he's at the console, something like "I let the defences down for one second..." - I remember watching that bit back to make sure as I think it was another editor who added that originally and I hadn't noticed it myself first time around. As for IMDB, I think it's an acceptable source when used carefully. I'm aware people vandalise that site, but after a programme has been shown, IMDB's data can be verified. I might add a couple of points (like the defences bit) back when I go over this article and the Doctor Who Prom article. I've been meaning to add a few points to the latter and was going to transfer some points from the former to the latter that are more appropriate there now that exists. I think some other editors have already done much of this work though, so that's a help. P.S. I've pointed you in the direction of some useful reviews on the WikiProject discussion page. Wolf of Fenric (talk) 17:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Tha Carter III

Why did you revert my edit to the talk page of this article? The information that I removed is inappropriate for inclusion on a talk page, including file-sharing links (Misplaced Pages is not a file-sharing service), irrelevant discussion about editors' feelings on whether or not tracks should be / should have been on the album, and other discussions best-suited for a fan site (Misplaced Pages is not a fan site). --Winger84 (talk) 19:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Why ask?

I've offered my opinions, and yiou dismiss them. When I offer some changes, you revert them. I am not sure why you sought my opinion if you are not willing to compromise. - Arcayne () 16:14, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Will, thank you for your contribution to the discussion at my recent RfA. I liked your question, even it was confusing at first. :) If ever you have any concerns about my actions, adminly or otherwise, don't hesitate to let me know. Best wishes, Paul Erik 21:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

		The WikiProject Doctor Who Award
		For the great work you did that helped promote The Stolen Earth to FA status, you deserve this Barnstar! So Why 23:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

yep good job! Fasach Nua (talk) 10:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:Doctor Who Series 4.jpg)

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Max Mosley

Hi again. By way of illustration of why it's a bad idea to de-list GAs when there's little work to be done on them to maintain their status, Max Mosley is still not back at GA. Not because anyone doesn't think it's of high enough quality. The very small amount of work required to maintain GA status was done a month ago. However a combination of the GAR process, which seems now to be very confusing, the lengthy GA nom list for sports articles, and an argument that blew up out of nowhere (see talk:Max Mosley) means it's still at B-class.

A vast amount of energy has been expended over the last month by myself, Geometry Guy, Giggy, D.M.N, Resolute and Narson, in return for really quite small changes to the article. Because we all agree that it is of GA quality, with the minor changes, which I would have made if you had simply raised the issue at the article talk page or directly with me in the first place. Please, when you are considering de-listing articles in future, have this question in mind: "what is the most efficient way of mainting the quality of this article?" Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 07:28, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany

There is a disagreement over the inclusion of Image:AntiSmokingNaziGermany.jpg in the article in Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany. For this reason a consensus is necessary and discussion is going on in Talk:Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany#Consensus_for_Image:AntiSmokingNaziGermany.jpg. Notifying you because you are involved in it. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 14:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

The Trial of a Timelord

Can you please discuss your concerns on the template talk page Template_talk:DoctorWhoEpisodeHead rather than just removing work you believe is a CV? --Deadly∀ssassin 23:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Are you only interested in discussion when it goes your way? I see that you have decided to AGAIN remove the table from the Trial of a Time Lord article even though you don't seem to be able to make a very good case that it is a copyright violation. Do you want to let us know your reasoning please? --Deadly∀ssassin 01:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank you

Sceptre/Archive 54, I wish to say thanks for your support in my successful request for adminship, which ended with 82 supports, 3 opposes, and 1 neutral. I will do my best to live up to your expectations. I would especially like to thank Rlevse for nominating me and Wizardman for co-nominating me.
— JGHowes - 19 August 2008

I'm inviting your comment

Here (and also, if possible, here?) $\sim$ Justmeherenow ( ) 05:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Please delete my account

Can you please delete my account and all my files please

Thank you

Freakishmedia (talk) 22:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Early close on Lists of Dungeons & Dragons monsters

That was unexpected but appreciated - and thanks for the page move as well. I don't remember, but you may have been one of the admins to whom I talked to about these lists previously, and who helped me with restoring edit histories and such. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters‎ may not be heading for a snowball close though, but we'll see where it goes. BOZ (talk) 14:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I believe this was inappropriately closed. There was genuine discussion happening here and I don't see what is gained by closing it early. Perhaps you would like to reopen it? MSGJ (talk) 15:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It would be a shame to have to take it to DRV. There are several reasons why this was a bad close, as I'm sure you can recognise. Cheers, MSGJ (talk) 18:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I am disappointed, Sceptre, that you decided to ignore my messages. Anyhow I have reopened this AfD debate and I would ask that you be more careful about applying speedy keep in future, as this one certainly did not meet the guidelines. Best wishes, MSGJ (talk) 03:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

+Rollbacker

Done per a note on my talkpage confirming the off-wiki discussion with MBisanz. Rollback is no big deal, and after a week and a bit, and an acknowledgement of a genuine misunderstanding, I'm willing to return the tool, with the proviso that any admin may remove it without consulting me. Fritzpoll (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

MyWikiBiz

As someone who thought this article should be recreated, closing it early seems like a really bad idea given the massive history and strong emotions concerning this issue. Better to let it go for the full time and then be closed by an admin. JoshuaZ (talk) 23:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Image resolution

Hi Will. I reverted the scaled-down Time Crash image, as it degraded the image in the infobox. I tend to use 512 as the default format which should meet NFC without problems. Each image I upload has the best attainable quality by using custom gamma- and sharpening levels during scaling. Simply scaling it down again caused the image to blur even more, and this particular frame was already suffering from considerable motion-blur that was very hard to supress. Hope you don't mind. — Edokter • Talk • 21:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Juan Luis Vives

Could you please comment on this? Thankyou. Srnec (talk) 16:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Dr Who table

Would you like to at least look like you want to work it out on the talk page or shall we go back to dueling fixes? At least until J smacks up side the head?

- J Greb (talk) 01:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Hope you're feeling better. I removed a speedy tag from Shmuel Herzfeld. The article definitely contains some notability claims. You could try AfD? Anyway, thanks for tagging. --Dweller (talk) 16:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Terracon Consultants, Inc.

I was working on the page and had just saved it so as not to lose all the research I was putting in; you nominated it for speedy deletion and I put a "hold on" marker on it. I had just pasted my rationale into the talk page when it indicated that it had been deleted already. This happened over the span of 3 minutes.

If you want to delete a page for lack of notability, and you want people to explain why it is notable, you need to give them a chance to do so. Otherwise, it's like that Mitch Hedberg joke -- "you know what I like? Mashed Potatoes!" . . . Dude, you gotta give me time to guess.

I'm going to recreate the page and hope that you give me 4 1/2 minutes this time because, I assure you, my contributions to Misplaced Pages so far have been nothing but constructive, positive, and worthy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JJEagleHawk (talk • contribs) 17:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

ANI

Hello, Sceptre. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --MBisanz 12:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Rollback removed

Having been the one to return rollback a few days ago, I have now removed the tool on the grounds that there are various examples listed by editors indicating that the basic tenant of WP:ROLLBACK, to revert only blatant vandalism has not been followed. Just as it is no big deal to have rollback, so it is no big deal to remove it. Since I am presently not very active on-wiki, any administrator may, of course, override this with good cause, so should you wish, please appeal to another administrator or at WP:PERM Fritzpoll (talk) 14:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Block

Unfortunately I am blocking you for the disruptive edits by this user, based on evidence from Checkuser. I find it highly unlikely that any of the usual possibilities might apply. To do so, you would have had to had a visitor or family member who, on multiple occasions far after midnight in your location, used a computer at your home that you were actively using (in some cases 2-6 minutes both sides), to post anti-Giano and anti-Kmweber disruptive vandalism on the wiki as an IP, following which your IP resumed editing as a logged in account.

As you are well aware, I and others are trying hard to get the message across to Giano, a respected editor, that if he doesn't act up with others, he won't have undue attention taking him away from things he enjoys. Your harassment, especially petty juvenile harassment/vandalism/disruption, is exactly what is not needed, and in posting those posts, you have made all our activites here more difficult without any positive benefit whatsoever, and wilfully stressed and harassed another editor. This was completely inappropriate, harmful, and antagonizing.

If you will affirm to the community that you will do nothing disruptive, and especially nothing related to Giano or Kmweber, then I leave it to the community to decide when, whether and on what terms you should be unblocked.

As an aside, I also noticed some rudimentary experimentation with IP cloaking when I was looking at this case. You edited from *.adsl-dyn.* and from *.no-dns.* in June and July. This suggests a possible view towards deliberate concealment of activities. Briefly: if you were thinking of it, just don't.

FT2 15:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

A note to the community: the checkusers and arbitrators looking into the main Frostie Jack sock ring, have quite a lot to look at on their hands, hence the delay. They're still sifting the evidence there. I had a quick look at this aspect, and feel this at least can be decided (and should be), rather quicker. It is not clear to me whether there is a connection between Sceptre and this large sock ring, or no connection. Any admin reviewing the block should be aware of both possibilities. FT2 15:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Sceptre (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

It's boggling that, when evidence was sent to the arbitration committee about a month ago showing Kmweber wilfully harassing several prominent editors, it was ignored. While I do admit to the Kmweber vandalism (78... is my static IP) it is in no way harassment. It's just frustration over how much Kmweber is allowed to get away with. The Giano vandalism was for the same reason. I request the arbitration committee investigate the harassment claims and sanction him if necessary, regardless of whether their authority is seen as legitimate by him.

Incidentally, FT2 has a history of sanctioning users without offering to ask them for their defence; cf Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Orangemarlin. This block should not have happened without first contacting me, if only as a common courtesy to an editor who has shown dedication to the project and was just annoyed.

By the way, I've not used proxies or IP cloaking. Any checkuser on my account should resolve to BT (my school's ISP), Orange/PlanetOnline (my old ISP), or BeUnlimited/O2. I was in Belgium in late July-that explains the belgacom IP, and I assume that the keme.net IP was the internet cafe that I sometimes use. I have never even heard of Frostie Jack before today; that's just an unfortunate coincidence that he vandalised in Giano's userspace. Please overturn this block. Sceptre 15:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Per the below comments - appeal should go through the arbitration committee directly, I assume via their mailing list arbcom-llists.wikimedia.org. — Rjd0060 (talk) 16:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

(edit conflict) A few minor corrections: 1/ While adsl-dyn is plausible, few normal locations have an IP of the form "no-dns" (the other one), though it's possible. 2/ I am unsure that being the user who posts for others, on a matter where the poster has recused, makes a "history of" claim viable. You'd do better to try not to attack the messenger, especially on inaccurate grounds. It doesn't usually work. 3/ Blocking is routinely used for harassment, vandalism and wilfully disruptive edits, on identical terms as above. But you know this. Ie, smokescreen. 4/ Block left to the community to opinion upon. FT2 15:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

On first glance, it appeared to be as if you were doing this alone. Which, you know, you shouldn't do. Sceptre 16:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, those IP edits from here merits a long block. That's harassment sceptre - you harassed Kurt and Giano in those two edits, and logged out to obscure your identity. Regardless of the Frosty Jack case, this on its own is extremely serious in the communities eyes. I'll being it upto AN to see what the consensus is, but I'm not hopeful. Ryan Postlethwaite 15:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not harassment, it's vandalism. I expected to be reverted on the edits almost instantly; it was a stop-valve to stop myself blowing up on my main account. The community doesn't know what genuine harassment is, and so label actually harmless edits as a concerted effort to stalk someone. Sceptre 15:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Sceptre, they are much the same thing. You don't get to make steam-blowing edits and expect someone to revert them, cleaning up your mess - I am frankly aghast that you would even make such a suggestion. You have stated that you made the edits via IP so as to not draw attention to the behavior with your normal account; you d realize that that statement clearly admits that you were trying to separate yourself from your comments, which is cause for being smacked by the blocking stick for an exceptionally long time. We can people for that sort of nonsense. Sceptre. Harassment is not a quantity issue; you either harass a person or you do not. Lastly, there is nothing harmless about harassment; suggesting it is such rather indicates your unwillingness to admit you were wrong which, i think is the only way to actually save yourself at this point. I have a lot of respect for you, but you are wrong, and your behavior is lessening that respect. - Arcayne () 16:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

This is not harassment. Please don't dispute to me, of all people, what is. Sceptre 16:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

"Of all people"? Dude, I know you meant that as a kick to the chops, but you rather reinforce my point: I do know what harassment is, as I've been the target of such and have been accused of such. As well, its just common sense. If you aren't prepared to say something with your own account and identity, don't say it at all. Essjay, for all of his clusterfuckery, did suggest that before you hit the Enter key, ask yourself if what you are posting furthers the encyclopedia. Your posts didn't, and I think you know they didn't. When you need to blow off steam, go for a walk, play a video game, read a book: you don't post harassing comments. This is not rocket science, friend. - Arcayne () 16:24, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

There was a quote on Misplaced Pages Review that made me laugh when I mentioned a few weeks ago Kurt had been harassing: "SlimVirgin's idea of harassment, or actual harassment?" (inferring one isn't and one is). I know the difference, and this is the former. It's vandalism, but not harassment. Sceptre 16:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

While I fully endorse FT2's block, I suggest an appeal on this should go to the Arbitration Committee. Sam Korn 15:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Not clear to me why the community can't handle this - and probably far more satisfactorily? FT2 16:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The community can review the situation with the acknowledged logged out edits, as long as you don't bring Frostie Jack into it. If you want to include Frostie Jack, only checkusers and arbitrators can see the relevant IPs and evaluate the possibilities based on the technical details. Thatcher 16:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Reviewing admins might also consider the evidence at his RfC in deciding how to handle this request. MBisanz 16:04, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I do not see any technical evidence that Sceptre is connected to the Frostie Jack sock ring, other than the fact they all appear to geolocate within a circle of 50 mile radius on an island that is 150 miles wide. Thatcher 16:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I just checked the thread on Misplaced Pages Review... whoever Frostie Jack is, he's similar to, but actually not, me. For one thing, the Accrington Stanley and Mary Whitehouse references indicate someone in their 30s or 40s. Looking at edit pattern overlap here, I can distinctly remember editing 2008 Christmas special (Doctor Who) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (rumour control), The Stolen Earth (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (FA), Dalek (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (maintainance), Cyberman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (GA fixes), List of Doctor Who serials (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (FL), Gothic metal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (mediation) and maybe Bonekickers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (I like the show). Any other is coincidental. Sceptre 16:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

To anyone who's watching the page: I regret vandalising Kurt's user page. I was annoyed, and it wasn't the best thing to do. But I won't apologise specifically because I'm being requested to - any apology now would make it seem hollow and forced. If you want an apology, please don't ask for one. Sceptre 16:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)