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Grammar - Article Zygmunt Kurnatowski

Article Zygmunt Kurnatowski, Major General of army of Polish kingdom, is needing immediate attention. Please correct Grammar, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.173.19 (talk • contribs) 16:09, March 31, 2008

Wanda Wasilewska lies

According to an alleged expert in Polish matters she was a Polish novelist and politician. She played an important role in the formation of communist government in Poland. After World War II she lived in Moscow. Almost every word here is false or unprecise. Xx236 (talk) 13:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

If you are interested in Wanda Wasilewska, join the editing.Xx236 (talk) 14:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Nazi Publication as source of information regarding Polish German history  ?

Comments ? --Molobo (talk) 20:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Possibly disruptive

This guy doesn't believe that there's a problem with the phrase Polish death camp and started an edit war. Please intervene? --Poeticbent talk 22:25, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Disruption for sure, the article looks fine and is well referenced. You may want to ask this user to elaborate his edits on talk page. -- Darwinek (talk) 22:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

He already expressed his opinion in talk: I fail to see anything wrong with the phrase "Poland concentration camps"... Anyway, thanks for the input, Darwinek. --Poeticbent talk 22:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Please assume good faith. In the past, Captain has shown to be a reasonable editor.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:46, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Translation in Progress

I'm new to Misplaced Pages and I decided to dive right into translating :) Łyse into English, but how do I know when I'm done? Does everything need to be translated? For example, on the Polish page there's a reference to a new sports complex? being built -- should that be translated as well? I'm just wondering if that information is relevant to Misplaced Pages. Also the Polish page doesn't have any references... for example, the unemployment rate seems like a high claim --JanKokular (talk) 20:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

What you've done seems to be great. You aren't of course obliged to translate anything - if you think certain information is likely to become outdated, or is dubious and unsourced, then naturally you can leave it out. I've just made a few minor additions, and I've also moved the page by adding a disambiguation tag, since there is another Łyse in Poland which will also get an article sometime soon (probably created by a bot). Keep up the good work:)--Kotniski (talk) 07:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Poland

Some parts of the article are biased. Sometimes stereotypes are quoted.

Can someone check, what Dr Libionka writes in his article? Xx236 (talk) 08:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

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Isaac Babel

Poland (allegedly fought wars) with Czechoslovakia over Cieszyn Silesia, with Germany over Poznań and with Ukrainians over Eastern Galicia (Galician War).

I don't remember such war with Czechoslovakia, it was an annexation without Polish defence. An article about Babel should rather contain a list of wars fought in Russia.Xx236 (talk) 06:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, there was a weak Polish defence in Cieszyn Silesia. Weak, because Polish forces were concentrated on the conflict with Ukrainians. Only local people defended themselves with guns in the initial stage of the invasion. Funny is, that Czech historians call it "seven-days war", Polish just a conflict over Cieszyn Silesia. It demonstrates the difference between Czech "fighting" and Polish Fighting. In Czech historiography a conflict which lasted seven days and claimed just several lives is called a "war". I can hardly imagine similar situation in Poland. - Darwinek (talk) 21:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Ignacy Domeyko now Lithuanian

User M.K now removed info that Ignacy Domeyko was Polish without any discussion and added Lithuanian site as reference he was Lithuanian and claimed he always will be Lithuanian. As multiple reliable sources exist that describe Ignacy as Polish I don't think this is appropriate. --Molobo (talk) 20:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, a good proof that nationalism is doing well. I've replied on the talkpage, and added some good sources to the article, including ones that argue for Domejko being called a "citizen of the world." It sounds good to me... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:19, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Congress Poland - related mass moves in early July

I need additional opinions on the mass moves for the Template:Administrative division of Congress Poland and the related pages. It appears that an editor made some significant movement of articles (approximately 11 15 articles) to unsupportable english-language names on EN.WP, ex. Avgustov Governorate vs Augustow Governorate / Augustów Governorate on 2 July 2008.

Affected pages / templates & moves made include -

• Template:Administrative division of Congress Poland ‎
• Administrative division of Congress Poland
• Congress Poland
• Sandomierz Governorate → Sandomir Governorate
• Podlasie Governorate → Podlyase Governorate
• Chełm Governorate → Kholm Governorate
• Suwałki Governorate → Suvalki Governorate
• Kielce Governorate → Keltse Governorate
• Siedlce Governorate → Sedlets Governorate
• Piotrków Governorate → Petrokov Governorate
• Łomża Governorate → Lomzha Governorate
• Płock Governorate → Plotsk Governorate
• Kraków Governorate → Krakov Governorate
• Kalisz Governorate → Kalish Governorate
• Augustów Governorate → Avgustov Governorate

I reference the following documents to support my claim:

• The Map of Europe by Treaty, Edwart Hertslet, C.B. 1875
• Century Dictionary and Cycloepia, 1902

I have put a request onto WP:RM asking to have the pages rolled back to the prior state before the edits.

I don't have an axe to grind here, I just want the EN.WP historical names to reasonably reflect maps of the era and general usage in English-language sources.

Ajh1492 (talk) 12:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The link to the exact WP:RM request.

Ajh1492 (talk) 13:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Google doesn't support Keltse Governorate, OR?Xx236 (talk) 14:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Move. Unless someone produces good sources for the Russified names, their use is simply confusing. (I've notified the editor who made the changes.)--Kotniski (talk) 14:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose, per WP:NC, and per WP:RUS, per your logic one could suggest that Nowogródek Voivodeship needs be moved to Navahrudak Voivodeship, same way that Lwow Voivodeship to Lviv Voivodeship. Note that I kept ENGLISH titles such as Warsaw Governorate when making my moves. Fact is that all of that territory was part of the Russian Empire, moreover here is a 1920 map showing Russified names. Here is another one --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 14:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not much persuaded by old maps one way or the other (particularly since none of those cited seem to name the governorates) - it's modern English usage that we should be following (if we can find any of significance). It was de facto the Russian empire, but de jure Poland was a separate state, so it seems perfectly reasonable to give the governorates Polish names, particularly since those names will be more likely to make sense to today's readers. Can you point to what specifically in WP:NC you are relying on?--Kotniski (talk) 15:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Hold on a second, de jure Congress Poland was a separate state (protectorate) only up to 1837, afterwards it was made an integral part of the Russian Empire as Vistula land. Russian was not even official language then. So for the same logic that we have Chernigov Governorate (NOT Chernihiv Governorate), we should have one standard applied universally wrt territory that was formally administered by a different country. There was a Gdanzk/Danzig vote, and its terms can be applied here. --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 15:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The sad excuse for discussion, Gdansk vote, should not be evoked anywhere else.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

In any case, this discussion should be moved to a general interest article - I'd suggest Talk:Administrative division of Congress Poland - and I'd suggest notyfing editors of Russian noticeboard of it, and perhaps filling a formal WP:RM.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The WP:RM request has been submitted already. With the discussion pointed here.

Looking to modern english usage, Genealogy sites, dealing with the era in question (1831-1915), refer to anglicized spellings.

• Ancestry.com / Ancestry.co.uk ( Augustow, Augustow, and Augustow )
• JewishGen.org (Augustow )

Ajh1492 (talk) 18:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The new names are either vanishingly rare or never used in English; the Google results refer only to Misplaced Pages mirrors. Misplaced Pages is not here to establish neologisms or prescribe usage in the English language - the names are completely unsuitable; ones from English-language texts should be found and used. Knepflerle (talk) 18:31, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Lviv Civilian Massacre (1941)

The article contains a number of misinformations. Xx236 (talk) 13:30, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:SOFIXIT.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

As if I have a team of experts to fix tens of dumb articles about Poland.Xx236 (talk) 10:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Jagiellonian University

Category:Alumni of Jagiellonian University is terribly underpopulated (only 7 articles now). Many, many people who have articles on EN Wiki graduated or studied there, so please help populate it or at least remember such category exists, so you can use it in the future. - Darwinek (talk) 21:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

POV template

Flight and expulsion of Germans during and after World War II
(demographic estimates)
Background
1944–50 flight and expulsion of Germans German–Soviet population transfers Potsdam Agreement
Wartime flight and evacuation
German evacuation East Prussia
Post-war flight and expulsion
Czechoslovakia Poland (incl. former German territories) Netherlands Romania
Later emigration
Refugees in Schleswig-Holstein Emigration from Poland
Other themes
Wolf children
v t e

This template imposes German POV. The same a Polish victims of WWII template should be imposed in almost any WWII article and Expulsion of Poles in many articles. Xx236 (talk) 10:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Certainly no POV, its common to have such a template for a series of articles exclusively dealing with different aspects of the same story. I wonder what Polish (or eg Darfur) expellees have to do with this. Skäpperöd (talk) 12:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The Holocaust template doesn't contain any picture. Xx236 (talk) 11:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Holocaust - different story. Godwin's law? Skäpperöd (talk) 12:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

You have your German POV. You are a German so you may have a problem to understand a non-German POV.

If such important subject as the Holocaust doean't use any picture, why do you introduce a relatively big picture in your template? It's not any Godwin's law, but pushing your POV.

If any nation exterminated by Germans introduces its big template with a big picture, you will see what I mean. It's a Misplaced Pages, not a Germanopedia.Xx236 (talk) 12:49, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Because the Holocaust template does not contain a picture, no other template should? Are you sure?

Because you guess I'm German, I push a German POV by adding a template? Maybe I am a Jew? What a POV would that be? What is a German POV in the first place? What would a Jewish POV on German expellees be? Would that also be POV-pushing if a Jew adds a template to an article series?

If any nation exterminated by Germans introduces its big template with a big picture, I would have absolutely no problem with that. As long as there is such a nation and the articles are part of a series. Skäpperöd (talk) 13:31, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

That template has an obvious German POV; that however doesn't make it wrong (see WP:NPOV - neutrality means not taking sides, BUT it does mean showing their POVs). Of course, as Xx236 noted, we should have an equivalent Polish template for similar Poland related events. That's all. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Not exactly all.

• The template doesn't allow to be edited, at least not obviously. The Holocaust one (and many others) can be edited by anyone.
• I don't know rules of designing templates here, but there has been recently a similar discussion about some Polish cities template, eg. pl:Szablon:Wrocław.
• My statement was partially ironic, I expect a Template War of WWII victims which will have to lead to some rational rules. Isn't it better to set the rules befoere the Template War?Xx236 (talk) 07:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Categories, lists, and navigation templates confirms some of my former critics. Xx236 (talk) 08:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Which critics are how confirmed? Skäpperöd (talk) 08:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

If you design a template, it's your task to learn the rules.Xx236 (talk) 08:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

If you make serious accusations like violation of WP:NPOV you should back them. Otherwise it's nothing but an offensive behavior. Skäpperöd (talk) 08:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

• Template:Warsaw Uprising - no picture, small template, This box: view • talk • edit
• Template:Expulsion of Germans - big picture, big template, agressive colors, no obvious editing.

Xx236 (talk) 09:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

None of this backs a POV claim, it's all about your esthetic view. How is a picture and the use of color in a template related to a POV? Other templates include pictures. Eg Assyrian people template. Most people consider green to be relaxing. Territorial changes of Poland template is red. How can a color be a POV? Skäpperöd (talk) 09:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Again: Which critics are how confirmed? Skäpperöd (talk) 09:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Response to comment by user:Piotrus That template has an obvious German POV Would you please explain what POV is expressed by that template? Noone did that so far. The template does nothing but to guide the reader through closely related articles, that cover information that as well could all be included into one article if that wouldn't make that article too large. It is dealing with a "German" issue, that is not a POV. I would agree with the template being inadequate when added to all articles somehow related to the expulsions (eg WWII, Pomerania, Silesia, articles on former German municipalities or expulsions of other peoples). That is not the case. All the articles connected by the template exclusively deal with the expulsions. A background and see also section links the "bigger picture" (while the template of course is not introduced to these articles) as it is common usage (see eg the Territorial changess of Poland series template - that by the way is also introducced to articles not exclusively dealing with the territorial changes of Poland, eg Oder-Neisse line). Skäpperöd (talk) 08:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Response to comment by user:Piotrus we should have an equivalent Polish template That is a completely different issue. If an article series exists for Expulsion of Poles after World War II noone opposes that to have a template. As far as I overlook this matter, so far there are the 2 Repatriation of Poles articles, one of which is a stub and could as well be merged into the other. (By the way, the use of Repatriation in the title looks like a remnant of post-war propaganda, it makes these expulsions and resettlements look like a voluntary call-back of Poles that did not actually belong to the territories they were expelled from, thus it gives that issue a positive touch - that is a POV) Skäpperöd (talk) 08:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

See also Expulsion of Poles by Germany and Massacres of Poles in Volhynia.Xx236 (talk) 08:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC) Generalplan Ost. Xx236 (talk) 08:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Would a template of them Germans not be "POV" if us Poles have a similar one? Is it all about sorry that? In this case, go ahead write a series, create a template for that, (optional: apologize for accusing me of "POV"), and noone needs to waste further time with this thread. By the way, the articles you collected are not part of a series and do not deal exclusively with the expulsion of Poles and - last but not least - are not connected to this thread. Skäpperöd (talk) 08:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Dear Polish Gents-you have fallen into a trap by the German nationalists. To present population transfer of largerly pro-Nazi German population that in majority voted for a certain guy(the one screeming exterminate the Jews and Poles !) with the planned extermination of Polish and Jewish nations(named by the German state "untermenschen") is one of the cornerstones of modern German nationalism. Please don't fall into the trap. Neither were the Germans "untermenschen", neither were they to be exterminated, and can't be compared to their victims. The template is worthless, at best the demonstration of German nationalists mindset.--TheNoiseBringer (talk) 10:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC) Future victims choice:

Legality of Repatriation of Poles (1944–1946)

The legality of the expulsion (repatriation) of Poles (1944–1946) is comparable to the one of expulsion of Germans. I have copied a text. Xx236 (talk) 11:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)