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Conflict of interest

If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Bench press, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

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For information on how to contribute to Misplaced Pages when you have conflict of interest, please see Misplaced Pages:Business' FAQ. For more details about what constitutes a conflict of interest, please see Misplaced Pages:Conflict of Interest. Note that your site would not be considered a reliable source suitable for verifying information. WLU (talk) 02:03, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

RESPONSE: What are you talking about? I have no associations with the people who own the websites referenced in my edit. What close connections do you allege? There is no conflict of interest. In the future you should not make unfounded comments and let the facts speak for themselves. Facts like those listed in the Guinness Book of World Records and documented with the International Powerlifting Federation. My questions to you are:

1. What is your background in bench press history?
2. What are your qualifications for editing bench press records?

I just saw on your page that you brag about your number of edits. How weird. It's not a real number of edits if you are making incorrect assumptions and erasing honest changes that others worked so hard on. Please don't let me catch you doing this again. I will have to report you.

Jeffrey, Note: WLU was just giving you advice that you MAY have a COI -- most likely because the edit you added had the same last name as your username...he's nto accusing, just advising. Threatening other editors and questioning their qualifications is not good practice on wikipedia, as it is not community-building behavior. As to WLU's qualification and edit numbers -- his contributions speak for themselves. His advice is very useful, I recommend following it. Josh.Pritchard.DBA (talk) 16:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

My response is: No. That is not correct Mr. Pritchard. WLU did not “just give advice.” WLU deleted my entry. He took action based on his assumption that I am in some way related to the person in the edit. He based this assumption on the fact that we have the same last name. How many surnames are listed in Misplaced Pages? Clan Henderson is listed. Henderson is one of the most common surnames in the in the English speaking World! I understand that WLU possibly didn’t know this, but it is much more probable that he didn’t care. Why else would he delete the entry? It is much more possible that he just wanted to reach a higher score on his stupid little edit count, which he boasts so fondly of. You can debate the difference between the definitions of accuse and advise all you want, but there is little doubt of his malice. He deleted my research from the site based solely on my surname! That sir is not good judgment and I also question your judgment for defending such a hack. I did not threaten WLU. I guarantee if he ever removes research from edits based on some ones last name, I WILL report him. Editor’s qualifications are the MOST important inquiries we should be making on Misplaced Pages. Who are you to say otherwise? I am not a part of WLU’s community and unlike you I don’t wish to build anything with someone so quick to judge and forego an apology when he is wrong. His qualifications on the bench press are nil, his edits are a fraud, and his bench press contribution spoke danger for Misplaced Pages. His advice? What advice? He is wrong. His advice was that I might have a close connection to the entry. He was wrong. And so are you for being his crony. Why don't you take a stand. Next time tell your cowardly buddy to write me himself and to stop deleting edits based on his almighty whim. -- Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 08:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Jeffrey, You said quite a lot, and I'm on my way out, so I'll just talk about some of your post: first - I'm nobody's crony. next, Misplaced Pages is not a place for research, but I'm assuming by 'my research' you mean looking into the world records...Finally, WLU reverted your edits (and he said so above) because you may have a COI and the source is not reliable. If having edits reverted will get you upset, I recommend looking for another past-time; everyone gets their edits reverted at some time or other. WLU at least had the courtesy to let you know why, many editors will simply edit and not explain. This is a community, and getting along with others is key. Check out the WP:no personal attacks. I looked closer at your edits -- WLU will leave your edit as you put it when you source it. You sourced a website, which itself admits: "The biggest IPF drug free bench press (RAW) was done by James Henderson at a bodyweight of 390 pounds in 1997 we believe. He bench pressed 711lbs with bodybuilding technique." Note that it says 'we believe' - this is not reliable, and even if they indicated they were certain, websites are not sources for wikipedia. Finally, as to WLU's qualifications, as I've said earlier, they stand on their own -- Benchpress is a heavily vandalized article by folks wanting their name on the record. And nobody must be a 'bench press record expert' to edit these articles, as an editor, WLU has proven himself more than qualified. Josh.Pritchard.DBA (talk) 14:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Josh, It is my opinion that my edits should not be reverted based solely on my last name, and I am pretty sure that Misplaced Pages would boldly agree. I am not aware of the depth of your relationship with WLU but if you are his friend please try to point out to him what he did was wrong. I don’t have a problem with reverts, but don’t revert me just because of my surname. I disagree with you that our community is hinged on us getting along. In fact Misplaced Pages grows because of discussion, debate and argument. WLU made the mistake of reverting me based on my family’s name. I challenge you to show me that you have been reverted because you are a Pritchard, and if you ever get challenged based soley on the fact you are a Pritchard, then sir you will know why WLU should apologize. I have made no personal attacks. I have been the victim of one. My edit is sourced and always has been. That was never the issue. When you look at my source you will see that I sourced the “drug free” portion not the date he did it. The “we believe” references the year in which the press was done, not if it was drug free. I disagree with you on websites not being sources. I see them everywhere on Misplaced Pages. Even the Scott Mendelson record sources a website. Maybe that should be removed? What about the Guinness Book of World Records I used? Is that a good source? By your standars the Mendy record should come down and Big James’ should stay. I don’t agree to that. I have done some “research” and agree WLU has contributed a great deal and his slip shod effort here is not indicative of his overall work. Thank you for your time in this matter. -- Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 15:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Editing advice

I advice you to listen to what User:WLU says and learn about editing Misplaced Pages. Igor Berger (talk) 08:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Here is what you said: “I advice you to listen to what User:WLU says and learn about editing Misplaced Pages.” First of all the word you are trying to use is advise, which is a verb, not advice which is a noun and when used as a noun in your sentence, it makes you sound illiterate in the english language and incapable of editing in Misplaced Pages. My "advise" to you would be keep your “advise” literate but most importantly keep it to to yourself because I am not interested in your opinions just the facts. -- Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 08:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

User:WLU is a sesoned editor and that is a fact. Igor Berger (talk) 08:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

User:WLU is a hack and his edits are a sham.

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.--Yankees76 (talk) 13:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Response: I did not attack anyone. I defended myself. Please stop editing records you have no knowledge in. And, a hearty welcome to Misplaced Pages to you also!

I beg to differ. Please see: , , , (not to mention the the veiled attack on myself above implying, incorrectly, that I have no knowledge of Powerlifting). Please refer to Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Personal attacks will not help you make a point; they hurt the Misplaced Pages community and deter users from helping to create a good encyclopedia. A pattern of hostility reduces the likelihood of the community assuming good faith, and can be considered disruptive editing. Users who insist on a confrontational style marked by personal attacks are likely to end up in the dispute resolution process, possibly including the serious consequences of arbitration, and may become subject to a community ban. Please govern yourself accordingly. --Yankees76 (talk) 00:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I did not imply you had no knowledge of powerlifting. I stated the clear fact that you have no knowledge in the Powerlifting :record. You don’t. Stop editing in that area. That is not a personal attack. That is a fact. You should learn :more about the different organizations that document powerlifting records. You will find that there is no random and :supervised drug testing in any of them except the USPF and the IPF. I am not being hostile, just argumentative, which is :a part of the Misplaced Pages policy and is encouraged in order to make an accurate encyclopedia. I am not afraid of the dispute :resolution and arbitration processes. I will not be banned on this issue because simply I am right and you are wrong. :Since my tone hurts your feelings, I am sorry, and I will sincerely make the effort to be kinder in my conversation on :this matter. Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 03:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Talk Pages

Jeffrey, please make sure to sign your posts -- it is getting difficult to determine where you end and someone else begins. You do this with the 4 tildes '~~~~'. Also, it is typical to use a colon to indent your comments...so in this case, I'm the first commenter. If you reply to me, you'll add 1 colon to the beginning of your statement, if I reply to it, I'll add 2...it also makes it easier to follow. Thanks. Josh.Pritchard.DBA (talk) 01:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey Josh,

Where did you learn this? Will you teach me, master? Thanks. Now, let me test this. Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 02:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)