Misplaced Pages

using images from other language wikipedias

There are some images I would like to use from other language wikipedias, but I seem unable to display them. Is there any way to do this other than taking their image and uploading it a second time on the English wikipedia? --Pravit 20:10, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

'Fraid not. However, if their licence is compatible with Misplaced Pages:Commons, you're better to upload it there. While images can't be magically included from other wikipedias, they can be magically included from commons. And (here's the good karma bit) any other languages that want to use the image can immediately get it without having to do the copy. So you can't make matters easier for yourself, but you can for others. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:20, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

There is no link in this article to Commons, it is on commons.wikimedia.org. --Fenice 20:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Getting information

Wikiwiki and the Misplaced Pages are brand new to me. I just browsed into it yesterday. And I'm quite impressed with what I've seen so far - the approach, the work that's been and is being done, and its potential. While the answer to my question may be available on your site, I thought, perhaps, I could get it faster and be more certain of the answer if I asked directly. Hope you don't mind. My question is this:

Is it permissible/ok to introduce a new "Theory" through/in Misplaced Pages?

Background: I'm a retired, rather old, man. I've been developing concepts about things I couldn't find personally acceptable explanations/answers for all my life. They just accumulated. However, the ideas have been coming together in recent years and I've been trying to get them down on paper. That's what I've been working on recently. Concurrently, I've been wondering how and where to introduce them. I like the feedback ideas integrated into Misplaced Pages. Feedback often helps one explain his ideas more clearly. I could introduce the stuff in relatively small pieces or sections. Since I don't ever expect to get the work completely done, I can expand on it with the parts I do get done while I'm still around. I think it may be something your readers, and contributors, might be interested in.

I've been educated as a Mathematician, minoring in Physics. However, I spent my career as a computer applications software system architect/designer and developer. I retired in 1988. The name of my theory is, "The Theory of Conservation". It's founded on the idea that the only way of proving anything is by observation (and measurement). It is derived from documented personal observations communicated to society in Scientific Reports. --4.229.168.96 23:27, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

The introduction of new theories is explicitly disallowed by Misplaced Pages policy. Sorry. -- Cyrius|✎ 23:52, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

You might consider putting your ideas on Wikinfo, which is somewhat similar to Misplaced Pages, but specifically allows stuff that would be prohibited on Misplaced Pages by the Misplaced Pages:No original research rule. However I don't know how many people would get to see it! rossb 09:49, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Serialism

Hi there.

Myself and a friend - both of us professional musicologists, active music lecturers, published authors, accredited editors, musicians and composers - have just spent most of our free time in the last week or so revising the unholy and incoherent mess that was the old entry for 'serialism'.

Imagine our disgust on finding this evening that someone called 'Stirling Newberry' has deleted massive sections of what we carefully and conscientiously wrote, and replaced it with stuff that simply *is not professionally competent*. We ask that his garbage be removed *at once* and the page 'locked' in its *previous state* until this issue is resolved satisfactorily.

Users of the site are most definitely *not* being served by the page in the idiotic, messed-up form in which it now appears. I stress that this man Newberry is writing about a subject from a position of *arrogant ignorance*; I am, indeed, *staggered* that he can *casually delete many hundreds of carefully researched words* without the slightest hesitation.

Do, please, let me know what is to be done about this issue.

Thank you.

Yours sincerely,

Mark Doran.

I looked at the diffs between this editor's version and Mr. Newberry's version, and I must say, they both seem to have their merits. I would say both versions could be integrated into one, though I have no expertise in this area. Mr. Doran, have you discussed this at all on the article's talk page? Perhaps you and he could come up with a compromise. Hermione1980 23:49, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Doran. I don't know if you are aware of the so called three revert rule or not. So, please become familiar with this rule as it will not serve your position well if you are in violation. hydnjo talk 00:24, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Not being a musicologist, I can't evaluate the merits of the different articles. I do, however, suggest that you explain on the talk page what's wrong with the current version. Is there a dispute over certain facts, or is the current version just badly explained? Isomorphic 05:12, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Italics

I find the Help for Misplaced Pages to be very strangely organized. However, my real question is simply: How do I mark text as being in italics, because it is a proper title of a book?

If you wanted to italicize bob, you would put ''bob''. Howabout1 01:03, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Just to clarify: use the single apostrophe twice. Do not use the double apostrophe or you will get "bob" instead of bob. hydnjo talk 01:13, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Vitamin products that contains Beluga (Sturgeon) Promtaines

Hi,

Could you please reponse to the below questions.

1) What is Beluga Protamines?

2) Is there any harm to child bearing age women to consume these vitamin products?

3) I've done some research through the internet and have gather some facts regarding the Beluga Sturgeon in Caspian sea. The sources said that these mammals are contaminated with Mercury or Pesticides. If they are contaminated would there be any harm to human to consume any vitamin products that contains Beluga protamines?

Thank you for your time.

Kind Regards Hannah.

Please take all factual questions to the reference desk. ---asx- 02:01, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

How to Float a Table of Contents

Is it possible to float an article's table of contents over to the right side of the page? How would you do that?

• If you mean a separate window I doubt it's possible and it would annoy many many people so it's no. If you mean with javascript, you can't use that in an article so again I don't think so. Elfguy 02:03, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for the quick response. I wasn't very clear. I mean on the same page, like the picture of the comedian above on this page. Can you right align a table of contents like that? -asx- 04:44, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Turns out there is a template that does this, i.e. you add {{TOCright}} to a page. This particular template, and the whole notion of letting editors specify a right aligned table of contents (overriding the default left aligned table of contents) is under discussion at WP:TFD so this template may go away sometime in the near future. If you have an opinion about this you're welcome to comment at WP:TFD. -- Rick Block (talk) 05:07, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you very much! -asx- 11:45, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Help for groups

Hello

I want to ask you. Who in here do I contact to offer my help and services to the "Anime" and the current "Comics" projects. my proflie is User:CharlesWiki so, I ask of you to give me an answer as soon as possible

--CharlesWiki 03:50, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I would think the Comics project page would be the place to go. Dismas 04:04, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Hide my edits option

There doesn't seem to be a way to keep the "Hide my edits" link to stay the way I want it. When looking at my watchlist I hit the link but then when I look a few minutes later at my watchlist, my edits are visible once again. Is there a preference that I'm missing somewhere that will set this more permanently? Thanks, Dismas 04:17, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so. I've gone through all the preference settings and can't find anything. One thing you could do is have a tab permanently set to your watchlist (or a seperate copy of your browser) and then hit refresh when you want to update. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 09:50, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

View another Users History

Is there a way to view another user's history (what they have edited)? -asx- 05:07, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes. From their user page or their talk page there is a link to "user contributions" that dispays the user's edit history. You can also type in the "search" box "special:contributions/username". -- Rick Block (talk) 05:14, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Great, thank you again! -asx- 05:17, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Source for a fact in Coca Cola entry?

Hi, I may not be channeling my question to the appropriate source, but I thought I'd start here. I'm just trying to find out if I can locate or track a specific fact within the Coca Cola entry, more specifically, within the subentry of "I'd Like to Teach the World To Sing."

The fact I'd just like to verify, or at least pin down the source on, is this:

South Africa applied for a version of the commercial without black people in it. Their application was refused.

Thank you, hsvokos

• Should probably discuss that on the article talk page. Elfguy 15:58, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

• There's a note on the I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing page. It does sound strange - do countries normally "apply" for adverts? Something isn't quite right about the detail as stated... Shimgray 16:53, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

POTD

Could someone please revert the massive text dump on Template:POTD to this clean version by Sj? My talk is near impossible to reach and my edits to the template aren't sticking. - Mgm| 18:22, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

I can't seem to revert that page either...--HappyCamper 18:33, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Grr. I'm trying, but it's not working. (This response is also a test edit to see if all of WP is down, editing-wise.) Hermione1980 19:00, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I can view the history of Template:POTD, but I can't view the page itself, I can't view diffs from the history page, and I can't edit it. What's up? Hermione1980 19:26, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to try and sort it out. Give me a min. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 19:29, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm trying to delete the page and recreate it from scratch but that's not working either. I'm at a loss. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 19:36, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I had something similar happen to my userpage last week; User:Linuxbeak was able to fix it by reverting, even though he couldn't load the page (massive textdump = page loading falls over). Not quite sure how he managed to do so, though, as I'm not entirely familiar with the rollback tool... Shimgray 19:38, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

(losing indent) Normally the rollback too works by comparing an edit with a previous one. If we try that we get the following error message

Line 1: Line 1:
Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 100000000 bytes exhausted 
(tried to allocate 12 bytes) in 
/usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/DifferenceEngine.php  on line 530

There is another way to do a rollback which I am trying now Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 19:51, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I tried moving to it a different name and that doesn't work either. If what Theresa's trying doesn't work, seems like it's time to get a developer involved. -- Rick Block (talk) 20:06, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, something strange going on. All the above attempts also failed with timeouts for me. What is particularly strange is that User:84.51.149.80 contributions has the Rollback flag against the Template:POTD page, but a following edit to the page one minute later. This isn't normal, and perhaps is part of the problem. I'm thinking someone with direct access to the database is needed. The POTD template is on quite a few user pages so this problem must be affect a fair number of people. -- Solipsist 21:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

When I tried doing a rollback on the user contributions I got this error message

Error in numRows(): Deadlock found when trying to get lock; Try  restarting transaction

Backtrace:

   * GlobalFunctions.php line 424 calls wfbacktrace()
   * Database.php line 541 calls wfdebugdiebacktrace()
   * Database.php line 638 calls databasemysql::numrows()
   * LinkCache.php line 162 calls databasemysql::selectfield()
   * Title.php line 1129 calls linkcache::addlinkobj()
   * Skin.php line 1271 calls title::getarticleid()
   * SkinTemplate.php line 180 calls skinmonobook::makeurldetails()
   * OutputPage.php line 459 calls skinmonobook::outputpage()
   * OutputPage.php line 671 calls outputpage::output()
   * Database.php line 398 calls outputpage::databaseerror()
   * Database.php line 345 calls databasemysql::reportqueryerror()
   * Database.php line 938 calls databasemysql::query()
   * Article.php line 912 calls databasemysql::update()
   * Article.php line 1168 calls article::updaterevisionon()
   * Article.php line 1939 calls article::updatearticle()
   * index.php line 175 calls article::rollback()
   * index.php line 3 calls require()

I hope someone can make sense of that. Time to go looking for developers Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 21:07, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I've asked Tim and Brion. I've also blocked the IP for a couple of days. This may well have been an accident by a newbiw rather than a deliberate attempt at disruption - actually I'm 90% sure it is, but I wanted to give the developers some time to sort things out before letting the anon have a chance at doing it again. If any admin things I'm being OTT and unblocks the IP address then I wont complain. It's difficilt to know what to do for the best here. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 21:44, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Ahhh. All seems back to Peace and Tranquillity. Thanks and well done to everyone who helped resolved the problem. -- Solipsist 23:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Satanname problem

What am I doing wrong? I have spent hours trying to change my signature to one that includes my talk page link. Even with good advice, I can't seem to do it. I have tried almost every permutation I can think of and nothing works. I want to have the tildes print out Mothperson with "cocoon" in subscript. So far I have come up with nothing that doesn't include a lot of visible brackets. To wit: ] 20:44, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Put the following text into your signature preferences: ]] <sub>] _]]. Let's see if this works: Mothperson _Cocoon testing signature...

Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 20:50, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I can't seem to get rid of the sub in the following text, but HappyCamper has a much better solution. Oh well. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 20:55, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Try this:

1. Click on preferences and check off the little square that says "Raw signatures (without automatic link; please don't use templates for this)"
2. Then, in your nickname, type something like
   • ] <small>]</small>
3. You'll get a result like the thing below when you type in ~~~~:
   • HappyCamper cocoon 20:53, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Lookee - I am now slightly less annoying than I was before! Or more. Whatever. Thanks, you guys!!! Mothperson cocoon 21:04, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Picture problem

An anon editor has twice replaced the image in the Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (video game) article with what I believe is a copyvio image (it has a watermark on it, and no copyright tag is listed). I reverted him both times. The image in question is Image:109675e.jpg. Is there a problem with that image? If not, is there really a reason to replace the existing image (Image:HarryPotterAzkabanbox.jpg)? Thanks, Hermione1980 22:27, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

• No, if it's got a watermark it's probably a bad idea to keep it. Though looking for a 2D frontal image of the box without the watermark is a good idea.- Mgm| 04:59, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Ricardo Clark

Writer.1940.la Plata. Argentina. www.Ricardo-Clark.com

• What is your question? - Mgm| 05:00, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Is it a question, or advertising? --Dmcdevit 05:05, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Bookmarks ?

The page intro says 'Remember to check this page again (how about a bookmark?) '. Testing shows standard browser bookmarks work OK. Is there a some sort of personal scratchpad area available for temp. storage of links, notes, etc?

You might find your user page useful for this; in this case, User:Sablime. Shimgray 00:22, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

See my user page for a rough idea. Near the bottom of the page. I keep those links there since I don't want to have to find them everytime I need them. It's handy since I access the Wiki from different computers on a daily basis. Dismas 00:31, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Editing a Page

How do you edit a page on wikipedia?

Click on the "edit this page" link at the top. That's the short answer, the longer answer is that you should look over the Help page. It can be accessed from any page on the Wiki up in the upper left hand corner where it says Help / Contact us. Dismas 00:28, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages:How to edit a page may also be helpful in this regard. - Mgm| 05:01, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages articles that appear to be copied from other sources

While browsing through Misplaced Pages (great site!), I've come across a few articles that have 1 or 2 paragraphs copied, word-for-word, from another website. I guess I'm not entirely clear on what the policy is for this. I spent a good 10 minutes searching through the Misplaced Pages FAQ and such, but have not found a good guideline to follow.

Thus, I would like to know what I should do if I see a copy/paste job and:

• The other website is listed at the bottom in the "See also" section, but the "quotation" is indicated,
• The other website is *not* linked or cited from the article,
• The copy/paste is minor (say, 2-3 sentances),
• The copy/paste is major (say, the entire article), or
• I can't tell who actually copied whom -- Misplaced Pages or the other site

Sometimes, I might be qualified to rewrite the article, but often I am not. Is there a central "Please rewrite these plagarized articles if you are qualified" page that I can link from?

Thanks! --Jeff 01:26, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

• Please see Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems, which gives instructions on how to procede. As I understand it, we do not copy any text from other websites, except for explicit quotations. Sources should generally be cited. Bovlb 01:35:27, 2005-07-12 (UTC)
  • Except, it is not a problem if the source is a public domain site. A list of such sites is maintainted at Misplaced Pages:Public domain resources. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:48, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

• Agreed. I was referring to websites that are copyright, and not freely licensed. This applies to most websites, including those that have no explicit copyright notice. Bovlb 01:53:14, 2005-07-12 (UTC)

• By the way, we're always concerned when people can't find the relevant pages. For example. Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems is linked from Misplaced Pages:Copyrights, which is linked from the bottom of every page in Misplaced Pages. Do you have any suggestions on how we could make this easier to find? Bovlb 01:38:50, 2005-07-12 (UTC)

On having problems finding this resource:

The "Copyright" link at the bottom of each page takes me to the LGPL; I didn't expect it to have useful instructions later on the page. The first place I'd looked was in the FAQ, which has a Misplaced Pages:Copyright_FAQ link, but that only seems to explain how to re-use Misplaced Pages's content. The Misplaced Pages:Fair_use page also seemed useless, although now I can find a link to the copyright problems talk page (which doesn't really help....).

Now that you've told me that I should be looking for "copyright problems", I can find the link in the FAQ / Problems / Copyright Problems... but I wouldn't have thought to look there first.

Also, on the Edit Page page, there's a "DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED ..." warning, but no link to what happens if you do (ie, the Copyright Problems page).

thanks again --Jeff 01:57, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

• Are we sure that Jeff isn't looking at one of the many WP mirrors? hydnjo talk 02:26, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

• Things like that had occured to me, but in the particular article that triggered me to post this, Transmission Control Protocol, the text was lifted from an article on , and I doubt MS would touch GPL with a 10-foot pole. Jeff 03:56, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

I haven't looked in depth at this particular possible copyright problem, but I have noticed that with technical, Internet-related articles like this, it can appear that a copy-vio has occurred when in fact, both sources are just quoting an RFC or something similar. —HorsePunchKid→龜 04:06, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, well, in this particular case, the word "Windows" slipped into the text. No self-respecting RFC uses Windows as an example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rat144 (talk • contribs) 2005-07-11 23:11:03 CDT (UTC)

• It appears to be two sections added by 62.85.195.131 on 2005-03-05. Bovlb 06:15:23, 2005-07-12 (UTC)

Extra Attention

How can i mark a page as in need of "extra attention"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zachsfanclub (talk • contribs) 2005-07-11 21:14:16 CDT (UTC)

• Try adding one of the templates listed at Misplaced Pages:Template messages/Cleanup, for example {{cleanup}}. Bovlb 02:25:10, 2005-07-12 (UTC)
• Or {{attention}}. - Mgm| 05:03, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Where is Help Desk

I can't find the Misplaced Pages help desk. Where is it?

You're at it ask away :). Howabout1 02:18, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

?

Why do my Help Desk questions keep getting deleted?

-anon

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Zachsfanclub (talk • contribs) 2005-07-11 21:23:12 CDT (UTC)

• For some reason 68.46.196.69 keeps deleting your contributions, possibly accidentally. See my answer to your question above. Bovlb 02:32:11, 2005-07-12 (UTC)

Cookies not enabled, page gone?

Hi,

I recently created a page called Rise_of_the_Hippies (http://en.wikipedia.org/Rise_of_the_Hippies), I made it on the 1st of July. Anyway, today, I came to check on it, see if anyone had changed it or anything, and, whoah, it's gone! So I go to login into my account (because I had that page on my watchlist, so I wanted to see if it still existed or if it had been deleted for some reason), but when I tried loging in, it said I had to have cookies enabled, but I do have cookies enabled, I even looked through my cookies and found wikipedia cookies. I use Firefox. I also tried logging in in Opera, and it still said I have cookies disabled. I can't try IE because my IE is screwed.

What's happening? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.113.232.224 (talk • contribs) 2005-07-11 21:28:03 CDT (UTC)

• See Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Rise of the Hippies. hydnjo talk 02:44, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
• Perhaps the "Misplaced Pages does not have an article with this exact name" text should link to the VfD page (if any), perhaps in the last bullet item, next to the candidates for speedy deletion link. Bovlb 03:10:46, 2005-07-12 (UTC)
• Note also that another Wikipedian left you a note about this on your talk page on the 3rd of July. If you were able to log in (which no-one has yet addressed) you would have seen that you had a new message. Regarding your login problems, if you have not already done so, you might want to check HTTP cookie. Is it possible that you have installed software or are using a proxy that blocks cookies? Bovlb 03:17:32, 2005-07-12 (UTC)

Shrinking and aligning this table

For a table like this:

How do I shrink it and fit it on the right side of a page?

Thanks, lots of issues | leave me a message 02:56, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

There. On the first line, after the "{|" put "width=X%" for however wide you want it (to shrink it) and "align=right" (to right-align). I did it myself for this table so it'd probably be easier if you just look what I wrote. Good luck. --Dmcdevit 03:42, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Simple question regarding page on Jesus

Why is there no mention on the possibility of Jesus traveling to India during his "lost years"? There are many books about this and weather someone belives it or not is one thing, but it should at least be mentioned shounldn't it?

For questions on factual topics (eg. Who is the pope?) see Misplaced Pages:Reference desk, that is the preferred location for factual questions, or you could always ask that question on talk:Jesus since that would also be an appropriate place to ask this question. Jtkiefer 06:18, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Four ways to answer your question occur to me.

1. If you think an important fact is missing from an article, feel free to add it.
2. If want to ask a question about an article, the article talk page Talk:Jesus is the best place, and the people who have been working on the page will see your question and respond.
3. If you were asking whether Jesus went to India, as opposed to why it doesn't mention it in the article, the right place to ask would be the WP:Reference desk, rather than here at the Help desk.
4. Or I could answer your question directly: because it is someone's fantasy for which there is not a shred of evidence beyond a slight vague similarity of some of the ethical teachings recorded. Lots of other fantasies and speculations about Jesus over the last 2 millennia have been omitted. alteripse 06:27, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages is edited by volunteers. If this is a well-documented fact, it could still be the case that no one came around to adding it before. - Mgm| 08:12, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Neutrality

Sciguy47 06:25, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I want to put up a Neutrality Disputed banner. How do I do it?

• See Misplaced Pages:Template messages/Disputes, but I recommend that you outline your concerns on the talk page first. What article are you looking at? Bovlb 06:31:43, 2005-07-12 (UTC)

double page

I want to insert a notice saying that the there are two articles about the same thing with different names. Where are the templates?? Couldn't find them. --Suspekt 08:09, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

• You want them merged into one. {{merge}} and {{mergefrom}} are the templates you're looking for. Be sure to add a link to the article you want to include after the template. - Mgm| 08:10, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • And take a look at all the merge templates at Misplaced Pages:Template_messages/Cleanup#Merging_and_splitting. --Dmcdevit 08:11, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
    • If the proposed merge is disputed by those editing the articles, you could file the redundant article at Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion and suggest a merge, which would allow others to express their opinion. — Asbestos | Talk 09:16, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

inquiry!

Am would like to inquire on the courses that Bugema University is offering and if people outside Uganda have access to these courses.

regards Mulemwa.

• You'd be better off contacting Bugema University directly about this. We are not connected to them. - Mgm| 10:31, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Template question

I'm trying to use 19°56′N 99°51′E / 19.933°N 99.850°E / 19.933; 99.850 on my wiki at home, but it doesn't work.

Template:Coor dm is displayed instead of the href and Latitude Longitude tuple that are shown on Misplaced Pages.

I imagine that my home media wiki 1.4.6 does not understand the Template?

Where can I "download" the Template, or whatever I need to do to make it work?

Thanks for your help.

• Have you got Template:Coor dm on your home wiki? Otherwise you need to copy the code to the template on your own wiki and follow instructions on the related talk page. - Mgm| 10:34, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Where can I find the code for the template?

I found several pages that discussed the template... no code.

How do I install the code once I've found it?

Thanks again.

Follow the link to Template:Coor dm, click edit and copy the code from there. In general, to find the code for the template {{some_template}}, just look up ]. Most templates are in the Template namespace. If it's not, it's just a normal page and can be found at ].

Templates, whether within the Template namespace or not, are just normal Wiki pages and don't need to be downloaded or installed into the MediaWiki in any way. Try, for instance, sticking the name of any page between curly brackets in the sandbox and you'll find that the contents of the page get displayed. Check the two links at Help:Template for more information. — Asbestos | Talk 11:16, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry.

I go to the Template:Coor dm, the edit page, and copied what was there :

{{{1}}}°{{{2}}}′ {{{3}}} {{{4}}}°{{{5}}}′ {{{6}}}

I guessed at what the positional parameters ought to be, faked it when I got to 7, saved it... what was produced was the whole string, with the numbers I gave, wrapped in three layers of curly braces.

{{{19}}}°{{{56}}}′ {{{N}}}{{{99}}}°{{{51}}}′ {{{E}}}

• What you need to do is ensure that Template:Coor dm on your Wiki contains the same source as the corresponding page here. Then {{Coor dm}} should work for you. Bovlb 14:23:21, 2005-07-12 (UTC)

• Ok:

1. Copy the contents of the page (after clicking edit). You should get
2. Now, create a new page in your wiki called ]. Paste the contents of the above into the page and save it.
3. On some other page, type {{coor dm|19|56|N|99|51|E|}}
4. The link you made in your first post (19°56′N 99°51′E / 19.933°N 99.850°E / 19.933; 99.850) should show up in your wiki.
5. See Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Geographical_coordinates for how to use the three different templates available (you'd have to copy and paste each one, as above, if you want them all).
6. For details of the parameters, including the optional seventh one, see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates#Implementation_details

   — Asbestos | Talk 15:45, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank You Asbestos! I did not understand the extra layer of indirection required to make it work.

However...

I am working on http://ws8.kic.muangchiangrai.net/index.php/User:Jfl/Sandbox

I create http://ws8.kic.muangchiangrai.net/index.php/User:Jfl/Sandbox/Template:Coor dm and place the Template there.

I place {{coor dm|19|56|N|99|51|E|}} on the sandbox page, but it shows up as Template:Coor dm

• Try {{User:Jfl/Sandbox/Template:coor dm|19|56|N|99|51|E|}}. The default namespace for templates is the top-level Template one. Bovlb 03:42:06, 2005-07-13 (UTC)

Thank you Bovlb! It now works as expected. And thanks to all. I am developing an understanding of how all of this works. Jfl 04:54, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

The secret police:

I would like to know who the secret police of the soviet union (Russia) were and how did they operate?

Well, the reference desk is really the place where this question should go, not here. But to try to help you out... During what time period were you thinking of? Under what rulers? Were you thinking as far back as czarist Russia or maybe after the break up? You could probably start with the KGB which weren't all that secret but had a lot of secrets attributed to them. Dismas 12:30, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

What is a crimson tide?

(Reply) This is easier to answer than you might think. On the left of the Misplaced Pages screen is a box labelled Search. Just type crimson tide there and click the Go button. Notinasnaid 16:24, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

And if you're actually asking about the origin of the name for the University of Alabama sports teams, you might want to see this web page. -- Rick Block (talk) 00:34, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Renaming an article

How do I rename an article, if the title of the article (name of a person) is misspelled?

I was trying to enter a stub on Allan Lichtman and wound up misspelling it Allan Licthman.

Robert McClenon 17:13, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Click on move at the top of the page. Then enter the new name. Howabout1 17:17, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Enter the new name in the correct field and don't forget to include a reason for the move. - Mgm| 18:00, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Provide wikilink to a section of an article

How do I wikilink to a certain section of an article rather than just the article. e.g. On the Rangers F.C. page how do I link to the 'Honours' section rather than the whole article. Thanks in advance. - Forbsey 18:58, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

It'll look like this: Rangers_F.C.#Honours. Notice that if you're at an article and you click on that in the table of contents, that's what the web address reads as well, so you can just copy it all (starting with the article name) to be sure. Also, when you do redirects, they can't go to a specific section only articles. --Dmcdevit 19:33, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Resistance to expert opinion

I remember seeing at one time an article about the potential for Misplaced Pages to marginalize input from experts. Does someone know where this might be? ‣ᓛᖁ♀ᑐ 19:46, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like you're talking about that infamous Larry Sanger essay. Is this what you want? --Dmcdevit 22:53, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

I think that's it. Thanks! ‣ᓛᖁ♀ᑐ 23:30, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

If you're interested in the opinions of experts who contribute, I'd be happy to give you mine. (As in, do I feel marginalized). -- Essjay · Talk 11:45, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

List of special Misplaced Pages keyboard shortcuts?

Dear Misplaced Pages help desk volunteer,
          I have just spent the last half hour searching throughout Misplaced Pages, trying to find a definitive list of the special Misplaced Pages keyboard shortcuts. What I mean is, for example... Normally in MS-Internet Explorer, the keyboard combination: Alt+F will pull down the file menu, however in Misplaced Pages the Alt+F keyboard combination causes the selection of the Search field, enabling the user to have quicker access to this field.

          There are at least 5 or 6 more similarly reassigned keyboard combinations that Misplaced Pages enables whenever it is browsed. Apparently Misplaced Pages uses some kind of keyboard reassignment script, that becomes functional whenever it is browsed.

          My question is, would anyone happen to know if there is a definitive list of these special Misplaced Pages keyboard shortcuts available anywhere, and if so, where? As apparently there was previously no Wiki article about this, I have started one at Misplaced Pages Keyboard Shortcuts which is still basically a stub.

                                                                                Thanks,

                                                                                Scott P. 21:14, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

• Hmm. Good question. The best I can find is this from Help:User style#Changing access keys. Note that it's likely to be skin-specific. Bovlb 23:54:25, 2005-07-12 (UTC)

What to do if someone uses Misplaced Pages improperly?

If I see someone using Misplaced Pages for their own linking campaign for spammy sites, what should I do to report it?

I could not find a page to read up on this isssue.

You could start by removing it yourself, but try the wikipedia:admins noticeboard. Howabout1 23:42, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Spam is a common occurence, and most editors take it upon themselves to delete spam where they see it and leave notices on the talk pages of the users doing the spamming. If a particular user(s) is persistent, then do indeed being it to the attention of the admins at the noticeboard at the above link. — Asbestos | Talk 00:28, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Also, if you see a mass campaign (not one or two articles; like thirty or forty) and it's still going on (as in, they haven't stopped yet) report them at Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Only use that page for items requiring immediate administrator intervention, though. -- Essjay · Talk 11:43, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

AD vs CE

I noticed an edit to Jewish leadership changing one to the other and now the article has mixed notation. What is WP policy (if any) about this? hydnjo talk 00:33, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

AIUI, mixed notation is discouraged, unless there's an obvious reason for it (like discussing the terminology). Best to stick with whatever was the dominant one before, or the one most appropriate for the context. Similar practice to, say, using British/American spellings - doesn't really matter which, since people will cope with both, but at least be consistent in any given article. (The obvious additional points are "don't go changing articles wholesale" and "if possible, use the more appropriate of the two styles", though this latter is less relevant for AD/CE than it is with spelling, when article titles may be in dispute...) Shimgray 00:41, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

policy is one thing practice is that we creap away quitely in the hope that no one will notice and start another edit war over this (or we change the whole thing to VE just to confuse people).Geni 00:48, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

I should probably have mentioned that People Get Real Touchy About This One At The Moment, So Be Careful, yes... Shimgray 01:08, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

So, since both the lead-in and the only other reference were written as AD it would seem that to change only the second reference makes no sense at all. And it would seem that the editor that did that was wrong to do so. Correct? hydnjo talk 01:27, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and I don't know if this matters or not but the article originated as AD. hydnjo talk 01:37, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

This issue is a can of worms. You may want to check out Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view/BCE-CE Debate and all its associated subpages and talk pages (if you are brave!). Basically I'd just make sure an article is internally consistent, and then run like heck from any dispute about the notation. --Dmcdevit 01:55, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

And this is the anon's one and only edit (with no talk page of course). Any more advice before I act boldly? hydnjo talk 02:28, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, since I just noticed it's an article on Jewish ledership, perhaps the sentiment is that AD (effectively recognizing Jesus) is POV. This is similar to how we don't use CE on Jesus and related articles because it POV in the context of the article's subject. I'd say use your best judgment aand either change it all to CE if that makes it seem less POV, or change it back to whatever it was before. And if you do think it would be controversial, maybe raise the issue on the talk page of that, or associated higher-profile articles. But I'd tend to just be bold first. Good luck. --Dmcdevit 02:58, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

• The best is to discuss these things on the article talk page. Elfguy 03:07, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Unseen text

Hello Misplaced Pages, I did a search on 'Kevin Trudeau' and my result came up three paragraphs shy of the full detail.

My search revealed the following:

" Kevin Trudeau is an "as seen on T.V." author of the book Natural Cures "They" Don’t Want You To Know About (ISBN 097559950X). In it he makes various claims about the safety and health of our food supply. Also he maintains the pharmaceutical industry is actively suppressing these cures, so that they can continue to profit from their patented treatments.

Legal trouble On September 7, 2004, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) announced that they were banning Trudeau from "appearing in, producing, or disseminating any future infomercials that advertise any type of product" because he repeatedly made "fraudulent" and "unsubstantiated" claims in them. Trudeau reportedly paid 500,000 dollars in cash and a luxury vehicle to suffice a $2 million dollar fine against him. The charges arose from work Trudeau did on an infomercial advertising Coral Calcium, a dietary supplement. However, Trudeau's infomercial advertising his book still airs on a daily basis because he is still allowed to promote publications.

Book

Trudeau's book In the book Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About, consumer advocate Kevin Trudeau claims that the Food and Drug Administration is actively banning all-natural cures so that consumers are forced to buy drugs and therefore support the drug industry. He also claims that there are all-natural cures for serious ailments such as cancer, attention deficit disorder, arthritis, acid reflux disease, herpes, and many other diseases. However, the drug industry would not take in any profits if consumers bought all-natural remedies, so Trudeau says that the FDA shuts these companies down in order to keep the drug industry in good financial shape. "It's all about the money" he says.

The other main issue in Trudeau's book is his accusation that the food industry is actively putting ingredients in food today like MSG that make people fat and make people addicted to that product. He also claims that growth hormone is being used on animals such as cows to make them grow faster, and therefore we are getting "hormone replacement therapy" just by eating at fast food restaurants. "

A friend of mine alerted me to the rest of the article (below) which he could see on his browser, but for some reason I cannot.

" Trudeau claims that many diseases are the result of toxins in our water and poisonous additives in our food supply. To attain health and become disease free one must eliminate toxins from the body by drinking only distilled water or spring water. Kevin and many others claim that tap water contains contaminants like chlorine, fluoride and should be avoided. Kevin advise using a shower filter and a reverse osmosis filter to mitigate the harmful effects of contaminants in our water supply. Kevin recommends other holistic detoxification methods such as colonic irrigation and herbal remedies.

According to Trudeau, another essential component to health is to nourish the body with 100% natural foods. Highly processed or even lightly processed food are devoid or lacking essential nutrients that the body needs to be strong and live free of disease. Trudeau advocates eating only Organic food, including vitamin, mineral and whole food supplementation. According to Trudeau nutritional deficiencies can lead to depression, lack of energy, lowered immunity, sickness and disease. Many foods like eggs and coconut oil which have been widely believed to be unhealthy, Kevin claims are perfectly healthy.

Kevin Trudeau encourages healthy lifestyle choices and reducing unnecessary stress such as excessive driving or dwelling on negative thoughts. Positive thinking, random acts of kindness (what goes around comes around), meditation and even having sex improves health.

Kevin says that chiropractic, homeopathy, acupuncture, and other alternative medicine have been the target of negative propoganda campaigns by the establishment despite having an excellent track record in treating their patients.

Beyond this claim Kevin insists that there are cures for many diseases like diabetes, heart disease and cancer that are deliberately supressed or outright banned by the FDA. Kevin begins his book with his own story when at the age of 21 he discovered he had a mitral valve defect in his heart, an incurable debilitating condition according to establishment medicine. Kevin claims his life was saved by a procedure which was performed in Mexico because it was banned in the United States. "

This is spam and your presentation is as dishonest as Kevin Trudeau. Go away. alteripse 03:04, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

• Uhm it would have been best not to copy the whole article. In any case, articles on Misplaced Pages can be edited by anyone at any time. That means between 2 users watching the same article, there can be modifications and they see different versions. Click on the history tab on the top of the article to see the previous versions and who added what to it. Elfguy 03:06, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Tildes

The help page says to sign discussion entries with four tildes for handle and time. That worked last year, but after a period of inactivity it doesn't recognize me any more, showing me as unregistered like this: 63.226.198.214 04:42, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

I can say Art LaPella, but then I don't get the date and time.

• What happens when you try to log in? - Mgm| 05:06, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

• I logged in, and that fixed it, at least for now. Thank you. Art LaPella 05:14, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

joseph wilson's ny times article

Are articles and books concerning the CIA subject to vetting and approval by the "company?" If so, who approved the Joseph Wilson article in the New York Times concerning "yellow cake" purchases? If the article did receive approval, why? If the article was approved by the agency, was it an attempt to protect the intelligence community from "bungling" by the administration? Without passing judgment on the article, my question is, how did it get published in the first place?

Multiple Topic Returns in Search Related Question

If I am searching for all articles on a specific topic, say a specific city, but I want a return for all the articles relating to that city, how do I do that search? When I try and search, all I get is the city's main page, but I'd like to expand it to all pages. This' especially helpful with smaller cities. Thanks!

-Anon

If they exist, the Search button should turn them up. Perhaps you're hitting Go instead of Search. -- Cyrius|✎ 05:41, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Hrm. There must be a problem with Wiki maybe?

IE when I do a search for "pirate" & click go, I get the main "pirate" page. When I click search, I get nothing except "Misplaced Pages search is disabled for performance reasons. You can search via Google or Yahoo! in the meantime.", along with search boxes for wiki, yahoo & google.

Hrm...

I also used to (as of yesterday) be able to search for a partial word search, ie typing in "pirat" & I would get everything with "pirat" (versus pirate) in it. That doesn't seem to be working.

-Anon

in other langages

I copied a page from Misplaced Pages which had a section on the left labeled "in other langages" containing a list of links to pages on the same topic in other language wikis.

But no such section appears on my copied page. Instead the same links are just arrayed along the bottom of the page.

• Did you copy the coding from the edit window or from the main article screen? Such links are usually written at the bottom of an article and later interpreted by the software and placed on the side of your screen. -Mgm| 09:39, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Right. I copied from the edit window.

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The links are arrayed, by the wiki software, in a box on the left of the screen in the original page, with href's pointing to the relevant language wiki and page; but at the bottom of my copied page, as local href's. As Above.

praying with shoe on

why most of muslim of nowadys abandon praying with shoe and practicing bid'a of puting their shoes outside the mosque?

• As far as I know muslims have left their shoes at the "front door" of their mosque for ages. They have to wash their feet in order to be clean when they enter the holy place. As far as I'm aware, most mosques have storage facilities for shoes, so people don't have to leave them outside, but that may be different in some countries. - Mgm| 09:43, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Interwiki: Stub

Hi. I'm hoping to get some help here to solve a dispute in the Interlingua wikipedia. In the Iawiki, the term 'Esbozo' is used for stubs, but this has been disputed. As part of resolving that dispute, I'm trying to find out what 'Stub' articles are called in other langauges. The problem is that templates, naturally, can't have interlangauge links to other templates, and I can't read most of the other langauges well enough to find a stub article and look it up myself

I need to know what "stub" articles are called in French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Russian, Dutch, and German. Other languages would also be handy (I know they're called "gxermoj" in Esperanto), especially Scandinavian languages, but aren't 'officially' used to derive words.

Gratias! Almafeta 08:52, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

In French it's "bouchon", in Spanish "esbozo", in Italian "stub", in Portuguese "esboço", in Russian "Болванка" ("bolvanka"), in Dutch "beginnetje" ("a little start"), in German "Stub". See "in other languages" on Misplaced Pages:Find or fix a stub. David Sneek 09:03, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Sub domain wiki's

I wanted to know , how wikipedia , handles the wikis of different languages .

i.e, http://en.wikipedia.org/ , http://de.wikipedia.org/

 * is this done by having different instance of mediawiki and different instances of database
   or 
  * is it just one many wiki instance and one datbase instance
    or 
  * is it just one wiki instance and one wiki database , if yes , how to acieve it 

Thanx heaps,