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:I share these concerns. In my opinion, the lobbying section as it currently stands does not express a neutral point of view. ] (]) 22:03, 1 January 2025 (UTC) :I share these concerns. In my opinion, the lobbying section as it currently stands does not express a neutral point of view. ] (]) 22:03, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::I agree that the lobbying section appears biased. That was my original concern about it and why I removed it. Neither thenightaway nor DACartman has explained why they felt the need to add/keep that content to/on the page. Can one of you help me understand this review process? If "project Medicine" agrees, does the content get removed? Thank you. ] (]) 16:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC) ::I agree that the lobbying section appears biased. That was my original concern about it and why I removed it. Neither thenightaway nor DACartman has explained why they felt the need to add/keep that content to/on the page. Can one of you help me understand this review process? If "project Medicine" agrees, does the content get removed? Thank you. ] (]) 16:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I think removal for the time being makes sense. I'm not sure that permanent removal is correct but it might be better to talk, objectively, about the lobbying efforts. That can include things they have pushed for that have helped safety (were they involved with standardizing anesthesia carts to prevent patient injury related to user errors?) as well as lobbying that might be viewed as self serving. I think the later should be minimized and probably should also point to a (hypothetical) article on the influence of lobbying on healthcare. Gsasa1061, something you can do that would help is provide ]'s on the topic. ] (]) 17:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

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Addition of lobbying section UNDUE concerns

This is a relatively short article about a professional organization. Recently a lobbying section was added which is entirely negative and roughly doubles the length of the article. Additionally, it seems much of that content is based on grabbing any/all examples that could be considered problematic lobbying and inserting them into the article as a continuous section. It is possible that some amount of this material is DUE in the article. At this point the addition has been challenged thus consensus is needed to decide how much of the new content should be included. I'm reaching out to project Medicine to get additional editor feedback. Springee (talk) 19:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I share these concerns. In my opinion, the lobbying section as it currently stands does not express a neutral point of view. T g7 (talk) 22:03, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
I agree that the lobbying section appears biased. That was my original concern about it and why I removed it. Neither thenightaway nor DACartman has explained why they felt the need to add/keep that content to/on the page. Can one of you help me understand this review process? If "project Medicine" agrees, does the content get removed? Thank you. Gsasa1061 (talk) 16:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
I think removal for the time being makes sense. I'm not sure that permanent removal is correct but it might be better to talk, objectively, about the lobbying efforts. That can include things they have pushed for that have helped safety (were they involved with standardizing anesthesia carts to prevent patient injury related to user errors?) as well as lobbying that might be viewed as self serving. I think the later should be minimized and probably should also point to a (hypothetical) article on the influence of lobbying on healthcare. Gsasa1061, something you can do that would help is provide WP:RS's on the topic. Springee (talk) 17:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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