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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

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Frequently asked questions

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Because of WP:DYKTIMEOUT, a nomination should be reviewed within two months since the reviewer/promoter may agree to reject and close an unpromoted hook after that time has passed.

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Instructions for reviewers

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

• Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
• Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
• The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
• To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

  Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

  If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
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If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures

How to promote an accepted hook

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How to remove a rejected hook

• Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
• In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

• Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
• Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
  • View the edit history for that page
  • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
  • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
• Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
• If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name

• Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

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@Narutolovehinata5:  Request withdrawn I withdraw this nomination Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 22:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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2019 NFC Divisional Playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay)

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• ... that the Seattle Seahawks' loss to the Green Bay Packers in their 2019 Divisional Playoff game was their ninth straight to the Packers at Lambeau Field?

• Source: "Seahawks fans have plenty of bad memories of their favorite team's performances in Green Bay, with the losing streak at Lambeau Field now at nine straight games. The last such win for Seattle was on Nov. 1, 1999."

• Reviewed: Sehome, Bellingham, Washington

« Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

• Question: A few refs say that they were retrieved in 2020. I'm assuming this had a longer draft history than what I'm seeing here, but is there another explanation? ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Pbritti just reused some references from Packers-Seahawks rivalry. I can change the access dates if you would like. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I hate to be saying this so late after you've nominated this article, but I have notability concerns. A cursory review of WP:NEVENT suggests that the coverage ranging from only within a month of when the game was played raises concerns regarding whether it merits an article. If there's a localized standard/guideline that permits divisional playoff games to have a presumed notability (I wouldn't be surprised, as I guess that makes sense), then please let me know. Thanks for the clarification. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Pbritti, I have added three sources from a few years out. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gonzo fan2007: Long enough, new enough. Earwig checks out and so does the QPQ. I don't find the hook interesting at all - what else have you got?--Launchballer 17:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Launchballer ALT1: ... that the Seattle Seahawks' loss to the Green Bay Packers in their 2019 Divisional Playoff game continued a growing rivalry between the two teams, who met in the playoffs four times in 16 years up to that point? SL93 (talk) 03:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry Launchballer, don't know how I missed this. I think nine straight losses, especially in the NFL, is an interesting statistic. For generally any sports fan, that many straight losses is unexpected and unique. Do you have any suggestions? I'm not sure i find SL93 that "hooky". « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 04:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I missed completely that that was what the hook was trying to tell me. I've taken the liberty of adding a clause from ref #21 as I think it adds interest, and would suggest inverting ALT0 as some variant of ALT2: ... that the Green Bay Packers' 2019 National Football Conference victory against the Seattle Seahawks was their ninth at Lambeau Field in 20 years?, though you'll need another reviewer for 'in 20 years'.--Launchballer 00:59, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Launchballer, I am good with ALT2. Thanks! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Sun Haven (video game)

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• ... that players can marry the leader in Sun Haven?

• Source: https://www.escapistmagazine.com/all-sun-haven-marriage-candidates-romance-guide/#h-lucia

• • ALT1: ... that players have unlimited energy in Sun Haven, unlike other farm sims? Source: https://www.ign.com/wikis/sun-haven/Tips_and_Tricks_for_Beginners "One of our favorite features in Sun Haven (or lack thereof) is a stamina system. You don't need to worry about passing out from exerting too much energy like you do in other farming games"
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Crimson Diamond
  • Comment: Coincidentally, the QPQ is also a video game. I've been waiting for this game on the Switch (even though I don't own one) and its finally due to release by end of month! It was all because of this video.

JuniperChill (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC).

• Note: this may be suitable to run on 30 November, the day after the game is on the Switch as its scheduled to release on 29 Nov at 0700 PST (1500 UTC) according to this Reddit post, which was posted by one of the developers (see the username). I totally forgot about the special hook occasion and only just realised. If not, the 29th will do. JuniperChill (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Also ALT0a: that players can marry Lucia, the leader of Sun Haven?
• Pretty well-written and interesting article. Both the length and citation quality are alright, however I am of the view that the proposed hooks might potentially be in violation of the rule that "If the subject of the hook is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must be focused on a real-world fact." (WP:DYKFICTION). Would be great if you could propose some other alternatives. Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
  • @Kingoflettuce: Well, you can't marry the leaders of Stardew Valley, Coral Island and My Time at Portia/Sandrock so I was thinking SH is unique in this way. Plus, marrying is definitely a real-world fact so I only think ALT1 fails DYKFICTION (because you don't have unlimited stamina IRL) and have self-crossed it out, leaving ALT0/0a it is. JuniperChill (talk) 12:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I would disagree with saying that ALT0 definitely meets WP:DYKFICTION because it's about marriage and the concept of marriage is a real-life fact. Plenty of things that happen in real life, such as births, deaths, marriages, going to school, etc. happen in works of fiction. The real issue here based on WP:DYKFICTION is if ALT0 is to be interpreted as a game mechanic or as a plot point: if it's the former, it might meet the guideline, but if it's the latter, it may not. Game mechanics are among those edge cases where it's not clear if DYKFICTION is met or not. At the very least, a reword may be needed. If not, maybe a different angle is needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll hope for the best for this one then. I think i've learnt that DYK hooks shouldn't talk about the game and talk about the real word associated with it. JuniperChill (talk) 08:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

ALT2: "that Sun Haven did not gain a lot of attention until full release in 2023?"

ALT3: "that only a few games combine farming RPG like Sun Haven does?"

Sources: https://www.thegamer.com/best-farming-games-ranked/ "This indie gem has flown under the radar for a surprisingly long time, not gaining much attention until it had its official 1.0 release in early 2023" and https://www.thegamer.com/sun-haven-worth-it/ "Few games blend farming RPG mechanics, casual slice-of-life interactions, and high fantasy styles like Sun Haven does" for ALT2 and 3 respectively

@Kingoflettuce: Pinging for a return to the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:58, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd hate to be that guy, but I really don't find ALTS 3 and 4 interesting at all. Maybe others might? The article is rather well written and the other DYK criteria aren't an issue. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 13:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Thinking about this, I would have to agree. ALT2 is very vague (it is not uncommon for early access games to not gain traction until much later, let alone full release games), while ALT3 as currently written is also pretty vague and not very hooky. Taking a look at the article, I'm actually not sure if the article is even a good fit for DYK as there doesn't really seem to be any hook material in it, not even in the Reception section. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• The only remaining options I can see in the article could be either of the following:

ALT4 ... that the 2023 life simulator Sun Haven has been compared to Stardew Valley?

ALT5 ... that a reviewer described the game Sun Haven as similar to Stardew Valley, but more magical and fantastic?

Stardew Valley is a very popular and well-known game (saying as someone who's yet to play it), but I'm not actually sure if the angles would work if readers don't know Stardew Valley. In addition, JuniperChill has a notice on their talk page saying they are on Wikibreak until the end of the month: should the nomination continue in their absence? Pinging Kingoflettuce again for input, or possibly other editors like RoySmith and Launchballer regarding the latter question. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, im on a christmas holiday rn which is why I made almost no edits this month. As my talk page says, I will be back sometime around 30 Dec. I would think alt5 is the way to go because it adds more info than alt4, but I should put this nom on hold until at least new year. JuniperChill (talk) 06:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:DYKTIMEOUT suggests we should keep this alive until Jan 20th. RoySmith (talk) 16:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@Kingoflettuce, Narutolovehinata5, and RoySmith: I'm home now. Does anyone have an optionion on alt4-5? I think we can work with alt4-5 since this game has often been compared with Stardew (well, Fields of Mistria too given the influx of new farm sims from 2023). A little bit unfortunate that I was on a long holiday wikibreak but at least Tiny Glade (nom) was reviewed just days before that started. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuniperChill (talk • contribs) 12:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Redoing pings to @Kingoflettuce, Narutolovehinata5, and RoySmith:, which wouldn't have gone through because original post was not signed. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I must have forgotten that I need to manually sign posts here due to lack of reply feature and especially due to my wikiholidaybreak. I'm quite used to the reply feature as it automatically appends my signature. I only forgotten to sign my comment a few times and it was all by accident. I was about to leave a followup comment cause I would've expected a reply within 24 hours. JuniperChill (talk) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

As the proposer of ALT4-5, I'm probably not the best person to ask regarding them. As a gamer I might find them somewhat interesting, but I'm not sure if either hook would appeal to non-gamers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Very easy workaround for "no real-world connection" in the marriage thing: "ALT6:.... that Sun Haven has drawn attention for letting players marry the leader?" DS (talk) 21:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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Sugya

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• ... that the composition of a sugya, or passage in the Babylonian Talmud, has multiple layers, with the latest edited with an anonymous voice?

• Source: "Separating the Tannaitic, Amoraic, and Stammaitic layers reveals that the rabbis employ increasingly abstract formulations and concepts in their legal science." Stammaitic = anonymous (same source). See: Rubenstein at https://www.ancientjewreview.com/read/2016/2/9/talmudicstories

• ALT1: ... that a sugya, or passage in the Talmud, may be read as folklore, philosophy, proto-feminist, or legal virtuosity? Source: Folklore -- Stein, Dina (2019). "Linguistic Liaisons: Wives and Vows in the Babylonian Talmud (BT Nedarim 66a-b)". Nashim: A Journal of Jewish Women's Studies & Gender Issues (35). Philosophy: Lévinas, Emmanuel; Aronowicz, Annette; Lévinas, Emmanuel (1990). Nine Talmudic readings. Bloomington: Indiana Univ. Press. ISBN 978-0-253-20876-7. Proto-feminist: Hauptman, Judith (1998). Rereading the rabbis: a woman's voice. Boulder, Colo.: Westview Press. ISBN 978-0-8133-3400-4. Conceptual "virtuosity: -- Moscovitz, Leib (2003). ""Designation is Significant": An Analysis of the Conceptual Sugya in bSan 47b–48b". AJS Review. 27 (2): 227–252. Let me know if quotes from sources would be helpful.
• ALT2: ... that anonymous editors may create a sugya, or passage in the Talmud, by rewording quotations by earlier rabbis? Source: Moscovitz, Leib. "'The Holy Blessed One Be He... Does Not Permit the Righteous to Stumble': Reflections on the Development of a Remarkable BT Theologoumenon." In Rubenstein, Jeffrey L., ed. Creation and Composition: the Contribution of the Bavli Redactors (Stammaim) to the Aggada. Mohr Sieback, 2005, p126 "Second, the anonymous BT redactors contributed to the Talmud by reformulating amoraic dicta, not just by adding to their statements." Friedman, Shamma (2005). "A Good Story Deserves Retelling – The Unfolding Of The Akiva Legend" in same book: see p.72 "anonymous voice in the sugyot... original and creative rather than simply preserving or transmitting"
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tony Pajaczkowski
• Comment: Open to suggestions with the hook, trying to avoid insider jargon. Also, please help with my faulty template use in the QPQ. Btw, "proto-feminist" isn't quite parallel structure.

ProfGray (talk) 04:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC).

• @ProfGray: Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig picks up nothing. I added a {{cn}} tag that needs addressing. More serious, however, is the fact that I don't find any of the hooks to meet WP:DYKINT and I can't see anything in the article that would make a good hook, though the latter may because this is extremely technical.--Launchballer 15:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. How about this? ... that only in the 20th C. were scholars able to prove when a sugya, or passage in the Babylonian Talmud, was invented as if written by earlier authors?

Trying to avoid the plural form, sugyot. "Invented" in the article, could say "composed" in the hook. It's kind of pseudoepigraphic. This finding was crucial to the historical study of Talmud vs the religious. ProfGray (talk) 19:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I still don't find that interesting.--Launchballer 14:28, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Since this is a Judaism-related article, maybe Theleekycauldron might have some ideas? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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Alessandra Rojo de la Vega

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• ...that Alessandra Rojo de la Vega became the mayor of Cuauhtémoc, Mexico City after a very contested election, with a gunshot attack, several vote recounts and accusations of gender violence?

• Source: https://elpais.com/mexico/2024-09-18/el-tribunal-electoral-federal-confirma-el-triunfo-de-alessandra-rojo-de-la-vega-en-la-alcaldia-cuauhtemoc.html

Alan Islas (talk) 15:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

• Comment-only, refer to WP:DYKHOOKBLP. (CC) Tbhotch 05:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: Notwithstanding Tbhotch's comment, QPQ has yet to be done. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 11:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Alan Islas: You need to review another article, and you also need to consider hooks that are not unduly negative for this living person per Tbhotch's suggestion. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
  • @Sammi Brie: Thanks everybody for looking into my submission. Apologies for the delay in replying, I was not able to work on this due to external circumstances. Completed review of Template:Did you know nominations/Marzēaḥ.
    About the hook, it is not intended to be negative, as Rojo de la Vega showed resiliency to overcame all the obstacles. In the end her case prevailed in the electoral courts and she was confirmed as the winner of a very contested election. However, I do see how it can be interpreted differently. I have to go to work now, but I'll get back to this tonight, edit the original hook and add alternatives. Alan Islas (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Pinging the actual reviewer Kingoflettuce for this update. (I just was pinging to move the nomination along.) Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 14:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
      • Thanks, not particularly enthused about the alts either due to lingering BLP concerns, but maybe ALT3 works? KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 03:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

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Qvadriga

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• ... that the 2014 chariot racing video game Qvadriga was inspired by the 1979 board game Circus Maximus?

• Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20201112035235/https://www.wargamer.com/articles/qvadriga-developer-interview/

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/An American Overture

hahnchen 00:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC).

• This is my first DYK review so let me know if I made a mistake. QPQ has been done. Article long enough (5032 characters), images licensed correctly, Earwig null results, article is well-referenced and presentable. Hook is verified and cited to a reliable primary source. However, I do not think the hook is interesting. Why should regular reader care that a video game is inspired by another board game? Ca 02:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks, the reason I chose this hook is because there's a large gap in between the board game and the video game. I thought it was interesting to show the board game's legacy. I can suggest other hooks which refer to chariot racing, like the forty-three hippodromes and circuses, but I felt that less interesting because they are all just presented from a top down view. - hahnchen 15:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
    • To me, the fact that this is a racing game based on turn-based tactics seem interesting, since most racing games are real-time. However, I don't know if WP:DYKFICTION applies here. Ca 01:28, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
      • I think that it being a turn-based tactical racing game is interesting, it is certainly rare for a video game. Alt hooks suggested below, but I still prefer the original

        ALT1... that PC gaming website Rock Paper Shotgun named the turn-based tactics game Qvadriga as the best racing game of 2014?

        * Source: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/best-racing-game-2014-qvadriga

        ALT2... that Qvadriga is a turn-based tactics chariot racing video game set in ancient Rome?

        * Source: https://www.eurogamer.net/qvadriga-review or http://www.turnopia.com/qvadriga/ or the game itself

      • hahnchen 20:28, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• I think the original hook is the most interesting due to the contrast of game years. But the alternative hooks are also good. Maybe more emphasis could be placed on the contrast between mobile game vs board game? Moondragon21 (talk) 15:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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2024 MLS expansion draft

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• ... that San Diego FC, Major League Soccer's newest team selected five new players during the 2024 MLS expansion draft?

• Source: "San Diego FC: 2024 MLS Expansion Draft results". Major League Socccer. December 11, 2024. Retrieved December 12, 2024.

• ALT1: ... that Heine Gikling Bruseth, Hamady Diop, Jasper Löffelsend, Hosei Kijima, and Thiago Andrade were selected in the 2024 MLS expansion draft by San Diego FC? Source: "San Diego FC: 2024 MLS Expansion Draft results". Major League Socccer. December 11, 2024. Retrieved December 12, 2024.
• Reviewed:

Demt1298 (talk) 00:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC).

• Neither hook is interesting to a broad audience, as outside of football/soccer fans, the hook is unlikely to be perceived as interesting or unusual. Please provide more accessible hooks that can attract or interest even non-MLS fans. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@SounderBruce, BeanieFan11, and Gonzo fan2007: Is it okay if any of you propose alternate hooks, if it is possible? Also pinging Demt1298 and Motdattan for their input. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Both hooks are pretty boring, even to this soccer fan. How about this ALT2: ... that the 2024 MLS expansion draft took place at a shopping center? Source: San Diego Union-Tribune SounderBruce 00:29, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Maybe ALT3 ... that the 2024 MLS expansion draft featured only five selections? – the next would need to be added, but perhaps ALT4 ... that the 2024 MLS expansion draft featured the selections of a Norwegian, a Senegalese, a German, a Japanese, and a Brazilian – and no one else? BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I like SounderBruce's suggestion the most. Just waiting for a response from the nominator before proceeding. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:09, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I mean as a soccer fan, I don't know why the fact it was at a shopping mall would make it interesting, but I also understand my suggestions were boring, so I don't know I should be the one who defines what is interesting to soccer fans. Demt1298 (talk) 19:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Article is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. QPQ not needed for a nominator with less than five nominations. The hook is supported in-text, but the relevant sentences lack a footnote: this will need to be fixed before the nomination is approved. More worryingly, the "Format" section appears to be a very close paraphrase of the source. The paraphrasing will need to be addressed for the nomination to succeed. If you need any assistance, don't hesitate to ask a copyright expert. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Pinging nominator Demt1298 or our resident MLS expert SounderBruce for help on the close paraphrasing issue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Rulesets cannot avoid paraphrasing due to the need to explain the exact rules and not misrepresent the subject. FWIW, Earwig only has 7.5% confidence and most of the hits were specific terms or names of mechanisms that cannot be changed; the one outlier is "end of the season", which could be tweaked. SounderBruce 07:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: Given the above, does the article have close paraphrasing to you, or would the wording slide per WP:LIMITED? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Earwig checks only direct copying, not close paraphrasing. I think what's present goes beyond LIMITED, but there is also the option of quoting directly if necessary. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Demt1298 and SounderBruce: The above still need addressing. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

This is not my nomination, so I would prefer not to be pinged. I was only here to offer a suggestion. SounderBruce 00:45, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

• @Demt1298: Per the above, the nomination will be closed as unsuccessful if the paraphrasing issues are not addressed within a reasonable timeframe. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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Mark Hearld

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• ... that a Christmas card featuring "a hand-coloured winter thrush" by artist Mark Hearld was included in a 2021 exhibition of Christmas greetings by modern British artists?

• Source: "How to get my ho-ho-ho mojo back? In their print room, Pallant House in Chichester have mounted an exhibition, Christmas Greetings by Modern British Artists. Here are more than a hundred offerings from Edward Bawden, Ben Nicholson, John Piper and John Craxton. There is a marvellous David Jones engraving of a candlelit mass and Emily Sutton’s cat that got the Christmas pud. Ed Kluz, whose architectural drawings lean towards the gothic (follow him on Instagram), gives us a lovely, lonely city church with a Star of Bethlehem above. Ben Nicholson’s Christmas card of 1939 is a marbled, modernist grid with coolly geometric snowballs, while Gary Hume, once a YBA, moulds a snowman of minimal spheres. Barnett Freedman goes wassailing in his lithographic Christmas card of 1953, Edward Bawden’s linocut lion rampages through the presents and Mark Hearld’s hand-coloured winter thrush rings the round robin changes. There’s a bookmark-shaped Christmas card by Enid Marx wishing recipients not Merry Christmas, but a Happy New Year. Perhaps she was running even later than I am." The Spectator

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jordan Watkins
• Comment: For Christmas Eve/ Christmas Day

Thriley (talk) 20:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC).

•  Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 23:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - Not concise enough; see below.

Overall: Moved from draftspace five days before nom and sized at 2012 B. Page is reliably sourced and everything is verified. The lede is short, but consider this fix optional. Wasn't sure if the "thrush" was intriguing, but the weirdness and linking of the word helps. However, the hook doesn't feel concise enough and I'm having trouble making a hook that doesn't duplicate "Christmas card" and isn't short, but these two fit the bill enough:

• ALT1: ... that one of the designs shown at an all-Christmas card exhibition was "a hand-coloured winter thrush" by artist Mark Hearld? Source: Same as ALT0
• ALT2: ... that "a hand-coloured winter thrush" by artist Mark Hearld appeared on one of the Christmas cards for a specialised exhibition?Source: Same as ALT0

Oh, and I found another one while checking at Earwig, it's more interesting and this is in case it's not done in time for Christmases Eve or Day.

• ALT3A: ... that Mark Hearld works "with the idea of the artist working as a designer rather than making images to stick in a frame"? Source: He has also been strongly influenced by mid-twentieth century art and design, “with the idea of the artist working as a designer rather than making images to stick in a frame”.
• ALT3B: ... that artist Mark Hearld works "with the idea of the artist working as a designer rather than making images to stick in a frame"?

@Thriley: Thoughts? ミラP@Miraclepine 00:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Thank you for your review. I’m going to add a bit more to the article. There’s some good potential hooks about his home I’d like to add. Thriley (talk) 06:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Thriley: You're welcome. I'll follow this page and recommend adding to the lede. ミラP@Miraclepine 04:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• ALT4: ... that a profile of artist Mark Hearld stated "If you want a child to care about the planet, don’t tell them it’s burning, show them Hearld’s wrens and squirrels, field mice and owls"? Thriley (talk) 06:27, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

• @Thriley: Yeah, I don't think that's as intriguing as the ones I proposed. Which specific one do you prefer? For the record, my preferences are: 3A > 3B > 2 > 1 > 0. ミラP@Miraclepine 15:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 13

Madagascar banana

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• Article history

• ... that there are only three mature Madagascar banana trees?

• Source: "Only five mature individuals of E. perrieri have been previously identified in the whole of Madagascar, and a recent survey has suggested that now only three of these may be left (Analavelona, Ampefy and Maintirano areas)." https://www.kew.org/read-and-watch/madagascan-banana

• ALT1: ... that the Madagascar banana is critically endangered? Source: https://www.kew.org/read-and-watch/madagascan-banana
• Reviewed:
• Comment: No QPQ required as Laffuble will own this DYK as you can see from talk page. I (Chidgk1) just put it in for them and will deal with any questions they might be unsure about being relatively new to Misplaced Pages

Chidgk1 (talk) 16:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:

Overall: Hello Laffuble, welcome to DYK, I hope you have a wonderful time here! I have a few concerns regarding the article which I will outline below, and will ping Chidgk1 since there are outstanding inquiries about the state of this article:
ALT0 is truthfully the most interesting of the two hooks proposed. Plenty of things out there are critically endangered, it is a conservation category onto itself. The severely restricted population serves as a much better hook. However, the hook as it stands right now is not supported by the material within the article and the source, which states there are five mature individuals rather than three. I will strike ALT1 from consideration.
iNaturalist is not a good source for the plant's morphology, nor is Rarepalmseeds, which is a site with commercial interests. A much better source for that information is either a study or the original description, if it can be located. iNaturalist's image gallery being a source falls into WP:OR. Google Scholar is a helpful source for finding research papers regarding Ensete perrieri, if you're stuck finding trustworthy sources.
Earwig detects no copyvio issues, long enough, and new enough. I hope this can be of help to you! Ornithoptera (talk) 07:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ornithoptera: We have made some changes - is it ok now?

Chidgk1 My apologies but I see that you have simply replaced the problematic sources for the “Description” section, rather than consulting the source and making the necessary changes to the article using the information presented there. That will not be enough to allow for the article to pass scrutiny. Would you be able to take a look at the source rather than simply replacing the original citations? In addition, the hook has not been updated per my request, since it is not supported by the article text. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I've taken a look at the cited article and the description for E. perrieri is as follows: Ensete perrieri (Claverie) comb. nov. ; Musa perrieri P. Claverie in Comptes Rendus Acad. Sci. Paris 140 (1905), 1612, nomen, et in Ann. us. Colon. Marseille ser. 2, vol. 7 (1909), p. 74, descr. cum ic. t. 8., this will not serve as a viable source for the passage. I would be most ideal to first consult with the source before using it in the article. I noticed that you and Laffuble had issues with accessing sources, the Misplaced Pages library at WP:LIB, if you have made enough edits, can be a great resource since it has institutional access to several journals that can be of use. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:16, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ornithoptera: Thanks for explaining Misplaced Pages Library. Have added quote for hook - is hook OK now? If there are any remaining problems with the description please could you comment in the talk page section below this as it is easier to reply.Chidgk1 (talk) 08:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Chidgk1, I really want to emphasize to you and Laffuble that you should both read the issues I have outlined with the article. Only a few significant edits that I have outlined have been addressed properly, I will break the issues down line by line so that it can be easier to guide you in going about the necessary edits.

1. The text in the original description section has not been changed to match the source. The source was simply replaced, with the passage's text not significantly changed to address the new source. On top of this, Annales du Muśee colonial de Marseille does not explicitly identify this as E. perrieri. Unless the source is beyond a reasonable doubt that it is E. perrieri, it is not the most ideal. I would emphasize that it is most ideal to have the entire section re-written and updated to reflect sources that explicitly include a description of E. perrieri.

Laffuble Are you able to deal with this? If you are at uni maybe the librarian there can advise? I don't think there is any rush now so if you cannot fix it please contact me after Xmas and I will root around in the Misplaced Pages library mentioned above.

1. iNaturalist is not a reliable source. It is a social media site that provides valuable insight, but the information cannot be considered reliable as anyone can upload an observation and provide faulty information.

@Ornithoptera: You are right that most info on iNaturalist is from members of the public so should not be cited, however the few photos which they classify as "research grade" are reliable in my opinion. If you disgree I will be happy to start a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard so we can get more thoughts on it. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I really want to assist this DYK make it through, but I really would like to have all necessary edits be done before I am alerted to allow for it to pass. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Laffuble and Chidgk1, has there been any adjustments to the article since we have had our last conversation? I don't believe there has been any activity since the 30th. In terms of the iNaturalist comment, "research grade" is a meaningless designation exclusive to the site, and has little bearing in many circles outside of that. Compare that concept with "reddit gold" or "subtweet." While it is important in some circles, I don't think it would be a meaningful piece of content for the article, and a statistic that can be in flux if the status of the observations is changed or if another is found. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Ornithoptera:. I am busy now with a GA of mine which is being reviewed. Pretty sure no one else but me will be interested in writing about that coal-fired power plant here in Turkey. Totally guessing but Laffuble might be a student so perhaps busy with studies. Whereas I am surprised no one from the plants project seems to be interested in this - I will ask there one more time. Otherwise I might have time to look at this next week. If none of us have done anything by the end of next week feel free to close it off as out of time. Even if that happens your comments are still useful for the future so I don't think your time has been wasted. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I think that the statements about saving the Cavendish banana are mostly hype. Resistance factors potentially can be obtained from any species of Musa or Ensete, including members of the Musa acuminata AAA cultivar group.

Also, elsewhere I have seen complaints that research grade at iNaturalist is too easily obtained, and can't be relied upon. Lavateraguy (talk) 16:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• The article need to be moved to its scientific name, Ensete perrieri. This is the consensus at WP:WikiProject Plants in general, and in this case in particular, "Madagascar Banana" seems to be a recent invention by publicity departments. Abductive (reasoning) 12:48, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ornithoptera: Following the improvements by Lavateraguy is there anything more needed for DYK? Chidgk1 (talk) 13:47, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Abductive: Unless Ornithoptera says it is essential to pass DYK please can you formally propose renaming on a separate section of the talk page and I will detail my opposition there. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:47, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

You don't think the article title going against longstanding consensus is a problem? Abductive (reasoning) 05:55, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know whether it is a big enough problem to stop DYK - that is a decision for the DYK reviewer @Ornithoptera: Chidgk1 (talk) 07:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Decolonization is Not a Metaphor

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• Article history

• ... that the title of a paper calling for the return of the United States to Indigenous sovereignty has become a slogan for pro-Palestinian protestors?

• Source: Combination of Indigenous sovereignty was never ceded, and the continued presence of settlers is essentially illegitimate. and which explains how "Decolonization is Not a Metaphor". The paper itself as a primary source also supports the first part of the hook.

• Reviewed:

Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 05:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC).

Thus far, I have been unable to verify that the paper "calls for the return of the United States to indigenous sovereignty." Neither of the two sources you cite above appear to support the statement, they just say the paper calls for a stricter interpretation of the meaning of the word "decolonization", which is a very different thing. Gatoclass (talk) 22:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: That's a very good point. What about "views the United States as fundamentally illegitimate?" Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 22:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Again, you would need a source for that statement. Gatoclass (talk) 22:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: This is very verbose, but what about that the title of a paper describing the continued presence of non-indigenous in the United States as being illegitimate has become a slogan for pro-Palestinian protestors? The claim that settler presence in the United States is supported by the source, the only thing I've done is explained "settler" as being "non-Indigenous" because the average person would be more likely to understand that. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 05:46, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Again, a quote from a source confirming the hook statement would be required at minimum. But these suggestions thus far all look a little tortured to me. How about keeping it simple and straightforward, something like:

ALT4: ... that the title of a 2012 academic paper, "Decolonization is Not a Metaphor", has been adopted as a slogan by pro-Palestinian protestors? Gatoclass (talk) 06:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: Sure, that works. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 06:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Having looked a little more closely at the article, I'm not sure your interpretation of the paper is accurate. Certainly, it's a difficult text to come to grips with - at least for me, as it contains a lot of academic jargon that tends to obscure the authors' meaning to a non-professional in the field. But for example, you state: "Tuck argues that ... because the existence of settlers on stolen land is illegitimate must be redressed by decolonization". Did he really say that? Because I would have thought that if he had, the paper would be more notorious than merely influential. On the other hand, if he is only saying that that's what decolonization must mean, he is simply defining a term rather than arguing in favour of it, and there is a world of difference between the two.

However, since most of the article is sourced directly to the paper itself, without clarifying quotes, it's hard to know whether your interpretation is accurate. I'm not even entirely sure if the paper itself doesn't count as a primary source here, which might also be problematic.

So, is there any chance you could provide some actual quotes from the paper, or better still perhaps, reliable secondary sources that have written about it, in order to clarify the point? Because I think it's obviously an important distinction to get right. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 06:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: The article is far from perfect and I welcome suggestions to improve it as I'm less experienced than I should be with writing from scratch.

I looked into this when you raised it the first time. The closest thing in the text I can find right now is We don’t intend to discourage those who have dedicated careers and lives to teaching themselves and others to be critically conscious of racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, xenophobia, and settler colonialism. We are asking them/you to consider how the pursuit of critical consciousness, the pursuit of social justice through a critical enlightenment, can also be settler moves to innocence - diversions, distractions, which relieve the settler of feelings of guilt or responsibility, and conceal the need to give up land or power or privilege. (emphasis mine)

So, the authors explicitly acknowledge a need for settlers to give up land. Likewise, page 10 of the paper criticizes decolonial scholars that enable "settler moves to innocence". I will likely have to make the article more directly explain what Tuck and Yang said, with better inline citations.

Also, Eve Tuck is a woman with she/her pronouns (at least on her website). Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 07:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: This is a bit of a drive-by comment (I haven't looked closely at the wiki article itself), but as someone from this academic discipline who has often seen this article cited/discussed in the field, I'd say it's completely accurate to say that "Tuck argues that ... because the existence of settlers on stolen land is illegitimate must be redressed by decolonization", that the article "views the United States as fundamentally illegitimate", and that "the return of the United States to indigenous sovereignty" is what "decolonization" ought to mean. The impact of the article is more like "let's stop saying we're decolonizing when we're just close-reading a novel" than it is "let's decolonize the US for real immediately!" but I haven't seen any exaggerations or misinterpretation of its argument here. I do think ALT4 is the clearest and best hook, though. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 04:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but we can't base content-related decisions on the testimony of wikipedia editors, we need reliable sources to verify content. So again, either clear quotes from the article that the authors are actually endorsing decolonization of the US, or critiques from reliable secondary sources supporting such an interpretation (although other interpretations would also have to be included if they exist to provide balance). Gatoclass (talk) 07:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I have to agree with Gatoclass on this; plus I have some other concerns. What we have here is a summary of the paper, but not anything that meaningfully demonstrates why this topic is encyclopedic. A one sentence line saying the paper is influential isn't going to cut it. We need details on how it is influential and who is claiming it is influential. Additionally, we need to see different critical responses to this paper through quotes in published reviews, both positive and negative to meet our WP:POV policies. The current text relies too heavily on the paper itself which is inappropriate as the paper is the subject and is therefore a primary document in this case. Additionally, it isn't clear that the summation of the paper is entirely accurate and is not an original analysis of the paper which would run afoul of WP:SYNTH. What we need here is more reliance on critical analysis and reviews of the paper, and text which more closely aligns with the meaning in the sources without being so close as to be considered plagiarism. The use of clarifying quotes from the paper could also assist in this (ie let the paper speak for itself in key places). It's a difficult line to walk. Additionally, the current text of the article lacks any meaningful critical engagement with the text; to the point that I would consider this incomplete (ie fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE).

In short, we need a decrease in reliance on the paper itself as a cited reference and an increase in reliance on secondary sources about the paper with more critical engagement highlighted. A significant amount of work is needed before this can pass a DYK review. Aside from this, I think Alt4 is a good hook that is usable. It is verified to the cited reference and is interesting. I think these issues are solvable. Ping me when the article has been improved and needs a second look.4meter4 (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Update. In just doing a cursory look in google scholar, SAGE and JSTOR, there are many articles that cite and summarize Tuck and Yang's paper which could be used to source the summary. There are also multiple publications which respond to the work, both affirming and questioning the limits of its praxis. This type of critical commentary is exactly what is needed in this article. I suggest the nominator rewrite the summary based on these types of secondary sources, and create a critical reaction section. 4meter4 (talk) 04:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@4meter4: Can you link some of those or provide the search terms you are using? Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 08:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I gathered some sources for you and put them on the talk page of the article.4meter4 (talk) 09:13, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

• @Chess: Given that the issues regarding sourcing remain unaddressed, the nomination will be marked for closure if they are not resolved within a reasonable timeframe. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:13, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

@4meter4: What do you think of it now? I've attempted to remove most of the primary sourcing and included reactions to the paper itself. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 02:22, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

The summary is too perfunctory to pass WP:DYKCOMPLETE. You have not grasped the main point of the paper, and have not identified who the audience is and what the central problem is which in this case is intimately linked to the audience: educators mostly but also social justice workers who have been influenced by education praxis. The article is fundamentally a critique of education praxis around decoloniality calling out teachers specifically but also social justice workers for engaging with "settler moves to innocence" ("settler moves" is a term; these words go together in this order always) through various forms like "Colonial equivocation", "Free your mind and the rest will follow", etc. You've fundamentally misunderstood this section in some ways because you haven't identified that its educators/social justice workers/activists being addressed as being complicit in some of these practices within their work. Which brings us to the "Ethic of incommensurability" which is the meat of the paper and the first truly original part not based on prior work. You've not talked about this at all, which is not surprising because you never really hit on the earlier identified problem that Tuck and Yang are addressing through this ethic, and who they are encouraging to implement that ethic and why. See the talk page for more comments, but honestly the abstract and opening and concluding sections of the paper are your best resources in crafting a summary. A reminder that you can use clarifying quotes from the paper in the summary. At this point, I'm concerned that you fundamentally are missing basic comprehension of the text because neither your first draft or second draft have demonstrated that you can identify the key terms and conclusions in the paper. At this point we are no closer to being ready for the main page with this particular article. 4meter4 (talk) 06:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 14

Articles created/expanded on December 15

The Man in the Yellow Tie

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that Brandon Routh found it easier to return for The Flash than he did to return for Legends of Tomorrow despite being a regular on the latter?

• Source: https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2021/11/16/small-victory-brandon-routh-makes-his-dc-return-on-the-flash

• ALT1: ... that the The Flash episode "The Man in the Yellow Tie" concludes a plotline established two years prior on a different show? Source: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a40319869/the-flash-john-diggle-arrow/
• ALT2: ... that for The Flash episode "The Man in the Yellow Tie" both Tom Cavanagh and Matt Letscher reprise their role as Eobard Thawne? Source: https://comicbook.com/dc/news/the-flash-that-eobard-thawne-twist-in-the-man-in-the-yellow-tie-explained/
• ALT3: ... that the The Flash episode "The Man in the Yellow Tie" guest stars Matt Letscher and Tom Cavanagh as Eobard Thawne and Eobard Thawne respectively? Source: https://comicbook.com/dc/news/the-flash-that-eobard-thawne-twist-in-the-man-in-the-yellow-tie-explained/
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Browning
• Comment: The first source is from a blog interview with Routh.

Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:08, 16 December 2024 (UTC).

Overall: Great hooks! I think ALT1 and ALT2 are most interesting, though I recommend removing "the The Flash episode" from each for concision/more of a surprising effect. I am approving ALT2 as properly cited as-is. The "two years" claim in ALT1 isn't entirely verified by the currently cited source, but (from the article) does verify it, so I'll say that's also approved.

I am requesting another reviewer take a look at this, since this is my first DYK review. By the way, OlifanofmrTennant, you are free to dispense commas more liberally throughout your (article) prose, which I have done for you here :) Toadspike 18:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Giving a second review as requested above. Verifying that the nomination was done on time, the article was long enough, and is free of close paraphrasing. The done QPQ, however, is slightly incomplete. OlifanofmrTennant forgot to also check for the article's newness (according to DYK requirements) and length. She also forgot to verify the hook and to check if it was cited inline. Given the issues, I would suggest replacing the provided QPQ with a more complete review of another article. More pressingly for this nomination, however, is the sentence verifying ALT2 (the only hook I'd personally approve) lacks a footnote: the relevant footnote is instead located in the next sentence. The ref has to be duplicated for DYK verification purposes. Otherwise, Toadspike did a pretty good job for a first review and I hope he takes the above second review for tips in their future reviews. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I've been holding onto a few other QPQs so here is another: Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas (goose) I have taken your advise and rechecked the nomination and everything checks out Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Please make it clear in the original review, making sure to check all the DYK criteria listed in WP:DYKRI. Regarding Thomas (goose), the provided QPQ did not check for article length, only newness, so that has to be corrected for that QPQ to count as well. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: amended Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 11:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: is it good to go? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

No, given how the requested re-review that checked all the criteria was still not done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:31, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Actually, given the difficulties, I am pinging assistance from an editor like Launchballer, RoySmith, or Theleekycauldron regarding how to assist you in performing more complete DYK reviews. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:33, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5 it's not clear to me what the issue is here; could you clarify that? RoySmith (talk) 15:43, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@RoySmith: The provided QPQ for Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Browning was an incomplete review, as it did not take into account all of the DYK criteria, particularly with regards to article age or referencing/verification. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Meh. It looks like this was Toadspike's first review. Let's not get all bent out of shape because they didn't do everything right. My suggestion is to just move on and chalk this up as a learning experience. Who among us didn't screw things up the first time we reviewed an article? RoySmith (talk) 01:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

@RoySmith: The comments were meant for OlifanofmrTennant, not for Toadspike. OlifanofmrTennant had a number of other similar reviews, so I was hoping that some assistance and guidance could be given to them. If you want, I can re-add the tick, although it might still be a good idea to help assist OlifanofmrTennant so that their future reviews can be more complete. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Ah, I think I understand now. Maybe what makes sense is the next time OlifanofmrTennant does a DYK review, they ping a more experienced reviewer to look over their review and give them additional advice if needed. RoySmith (talk) 01:27, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Would you be able to give them the needed advice and make the necessary changes to their listed QPQ so that this nomination can be reapproved? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

The goal here is to make sure OlifanofmrTennant knows how to do a complete review. Looking at their most recent review, Template:Did you know nominations/Armstrong House (Britt, Iowa), I see they checked the two items in question here: article age and referencing, so I'd say we've achieved tht goal. I'll again suggest that we just move on. RoySmith (talk) 00:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@RoySmith: To be clear, this is approved right? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 09:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 16

Dubai chocolate

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that Dubai chocolate has become so expensive, it is being smuggled and sold on the black market?

• Source: From border seizures to supermarket shelves: Dubai chocolate fever in Hungary, dailynewshungary.com, Man Caught Smuggling 45 Kg Of Dubai Chocolate Over The Swiss Border, falstaff.com, Dubai chocolate a global frenzy: Germans smuggle and queue up for hours in cold for these luxury Lindt bars indiatimes.com, The socials made me do it: The viral Dubai chocolate bar, ladlesandlinens.com

• Reviewed:

Killarnee (talk) 15:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC).

• Comments by Tbhotch

General eligibility:

• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - See below

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - See below

Overall: A newly created article that is long enough. No QPQ required. No copyvio issues.

• The hook is interesting, but the source in the article says "secondary market", not black market.
• There is a contradiction. The first section starts with "Fix Dessert Chocolatier was founded in Dubai in September 2022". Immediately below it says "Sarah Hamouda, who founded the company Fix Dessert Chocolatiers in the Emirate of Dubai in 2021, claimed to be the inventor of the Dubai chocolate". Ignoring the "Chocolatier(s)" inconsistency throughout the page, this first needs to be fixed.
• I added a few maintenance tags that need to be solved as well. (CC) Tbhotch 02:51, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tbhotch: I've gone ahead and fixed several problems with the article, please have a look now. Thanks, jolielover♥talk 08:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

 Reviewing... (CC) Tbhotch 20:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@Jolielover: We're missing the secondary market / black market thing. The cited source trademagazin says "The special candy can be bought for up to 250 thousand forints on the secondary market, according to a report by Pénzcentrum." I'm not an economist but the secondary market doesn't sound similar to the black market. (CC) Tbhotch 22:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@Tbhotch: There is a primary market where stocks are rated and sold by the listed company itself and a secondary market where stocks are rated and sold at the stock exchange by the listed company independent traders like you and me. And there is a black market where illegal goods, goods without paying taxes, etc. are sold. I think the difference is quite clear.

I have no idea why some newspapers use secondary market as a synonym for black market, maybe because of the word "black" like the controversy about the black in blacklist, e.g. . In this case, black market or at least when using secondary market linking that word to the article black market and not the article secondary market, is right. Btw, in German media, black market (Schwarzmarkt) is predominant.

Thanks for your work on that. Killarnee (talk) 03:07, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. My concern would be WP:DYKHOOK since the hook says "it is being smuggled and sold on the black market", which was what hooked me to review this article. When I reviewed the article it did say that it was smuggled and sold on the black market, but the coupled source (mentioned above) was saying "secondary market", which makes it less illegal and attractive for the general audience (i.e. "The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic"). The other sources linked on top of this page just say this: "The smuggling operation unfolded over two separate incidents at the Nickelsdorf", "customs officials at the German-Swiss border stopped a man who was attempting to smuggle around 45 kilograms of the coveted 'Dubai chocolate' into Germany", "products from other brands with both the original Dubai chocolate and its many variations fetching high prices on the resale market", "Limited-edition bars are commanding exorbitant prices, with some enduring long queues and even resorting to smuggling", and the most relevant statement, "Dubai doesn't ship to the U.S. and there is a black market for these chocolate bars now, at exhorbitant prices" from this source that is not used in the article. Both the hook and the article must be in synchrony to be approved. (CC) Tbhotch 03:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I think the hook is an overbording claim if it remains without an indication as to where this would be- the German Swiss border, maybe....! In fact checking how "expensive" it is, it isnt any more in Germany, and the claim apperas to be sensationalizing and not neutral.Wuerzele (talk) 18:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I was going to make a similar comment to Wuerzele here, the article reads slightly promotional, with sentences like "She aimed to create chocolate bars that combined unique textures and flavors, focusing on the filling to set her company apart from competitors." There are other prose issues, such as not specifying which border is meant both times the word is used and never explaining what kadayif is. This source , which appears to be unreliable per WP:FORBESCON (written by a "Brand Contributor"), also does not verify the statement that bars are 100g, which is contradicted by the paragraph right above it. Taken together, I am not sure if this article is presentable enough for the main page at the moment. Toadspike 20:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Why not include the photo in the hook? Surtsicna (talk) 11:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Jolielover: Any updates to the comments above? (CC) Tbhotch 02:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

2014–15 College Football Playoff

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• ... that the championship game of the inaugural College Football Playoff was the most-watched cable television broadcast in history? Source: https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2015/01/college-football-playoff-national-championship-espn/
  • ALT1: ... that Alabama, Florida State, Ohio State, and Oregon participated in the inaugural College Football Playoff?
  • ALT2: ... that the first game of the inaugural College Football Playoff was the first edition of the Rose Bowl in which a team scored more than fifty points?
  • ALT3: ... that one writer criticized the College Football Playoff system before its first edition had even begun? Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2014/12/07/college-football-playoff-no-way-to-determine-a-national-champion/
  • ALT4: ... that one writer criticized the College Football Playoff selection committee even before they had revealed the field of teams for the first edition of the tournament? Source: Same as ALT3
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/NCAA Season 7 basketball tournaments, Template:Did you know nominations/Amata of Assisi

PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:41, 16 December 2024 (UTC).

• Should it be specified to be American history? The current wording is vague and doesn't state if it was worldwide or just in the US. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: the source wording is a little vague as well: Ohio State’s 42-20 victory over Oregon at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas – averaged 33,395,000 viewers and an 18.2 US household rating, according to Nielsen, delivering both the largest audience and highest rating in cable television history. The Nielsen rating is definitely US-only and I think the same is true for the viewers but it's not explicitly stated one way or the other. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Given that it is an exceptional claim and given with the circumstances it will almost certainly find scrutiny on WT:DYK and/or WP:ERRORS, it may be for the best to propose a new hook using a totally different angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Full review needed now that additional hooks have been proposed; as this is the oldest nom on T:TDYK, I may take this on myself if Lily Phillips is kept.--Launchballer 15:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Long enough, new enough. QPQ is done and I see nothing that would demand a maintenance template. I don't find ALT1 interesting (the playoff is always going to comprise teams from somewhere) and ALT2 would need an end-of-sentence citation and depends on knowing what the Rose Bowl is. I saw the word 'controversy' in the article; perhaps you could propose a hook based on that?--Launchballer 21:18, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

@PCN02WPS: Please address the above.--Launchballer 14:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Does linking Rose Bowl not serve as an explainer for what the Rose Bowl is? In any event I have added ALT3 and ALT4. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

It does; however a broad audience won't click on it without already knowing. ALT3 is considerably tighter than ALT4 and I am approving only that one.--Launchballer 16:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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Hooks ALT1 and ALT2 are approved. ALT5 is also approved with an online source given here and an offline source cited in the article, accepted in good faith. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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2024 drone sightings

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• ... that news outlets reported drone sightings in August 2024 over US military bases in Germany, well before the major wave of sightings in the US in December 2024?

• Source: https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/29/drone-sightings-near-bases-infrastructure-unnerve-german-officials/

• ALT1: ... that news outlets reported drone sightings in November 2024 over US military bases in the United Kingdom, well before the major wave of sightings in the US in December 2024? Source: https://www.twz.com/air/multiple-drone-incident-just-occurred-over-usaf-fighter-base-in-england
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Boxheim Documents

Sm8900 (talk) 15:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC).

• This article is largely a piece of original research, combining sources that make no mention to other events. Its scope, as relates to the US sightings, is redundant with 2024 Northeastern United States drone sightings. Regarding UK drone sightings, it utilizes the deprecated Daily Mail (WP:DAILYMAIL). Regarding the German sightings, maybe there's something there. However, I'm not seeing enough sustained coverage to clear WP:NOTNEWS right now. Make some corrections, remove the bad sources, and make the scope more precise. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti:, I appreciate your valuable feedback. I have revised the article, and added citations from reliable sources, as you requested. I would welcome any comments on the revised version. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Sm8900: At the minimum, you must also appropriately link and bold the article you are nominating in both proposed hooks. Please do that and I'll look over the article again. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti:, ok, sounds fine.  Done thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 17:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Sm8900: Sorry to be a grinch, but there are still outstanding issues. I have, as a courtesy, bolded the link in your hook. The other issues will be listed below:

1. Citations are awkwardly spaced. Since you are an experienced editor (if not necessarily an experienced DYK nominator), I will ask you to fix this substantial formatting issue.
2. The scope of the final section is, with the exception of the California arrest, fully overlapping with the other drone sightings article. That portion ought to be summarized more succinctly.
3. Cutting down on redundant coverage may cause a length issue; consider adding further content on the German sightings and more clearly tying them and the UK sightings to the US events.
4. You oscillate between "US" and "USA" within your hooks. Please pick one for consistency.

Please let me know if you require further guidance. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti:, ok, as requested; 1) fixed spacing between refs. let me know if further work is needed. 2) made section on US events more concise. 3) added signficant additonal facts and details to section on Germany. 4) used US consistently. I hope thats helpful. Please free to continue your helpful feedback. --Sm8900 (talk) 17:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Sm8900, seems fine to me. is in no way an adequate QPQ review, so I have struck your inclusion of Template:Did you know nominations/Boxheim Documents above. You need to do a complete review of an article (Boxheim Documents, which is all done except for a hook disagreement, is not appropriate), and be sure to address all of the DYK criteria (newness, meets size requirement, hook interestingness and sourcing and length, article sourcing, etc.). See the reviewing instructions and the guidelines for further information. Best of luck! BlueMoonset (talk) 21:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

ok, no problem, glad to help. reviewed. C/1975 T2 (Suzuki–Saigusa–Mori). thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 21:57, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Formally requesting a second opinion due to the uncertainty about this article. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sm8900: I was going to review this, however the article has an {{updated}} tag and would deserve a {{lead too short}} tag and probably {{globalize}} and {{notability}} tags. The cited QPQ is also massively incomplete and needs to address all of the criteria at WP:DYKRI. I will close this in a week if these aren't fixed.--Launchballer 18:18, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

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Scorsese Baby Daddy

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• ... that SZA named a song after a well-known crime film director, but did not expect him to know about it hours after release?

• Source: Centeno, Tony M. (December 24, 2024). "SZA Freaks Out After Famed Director's Family Co-Signs Song from Lana LP". WHYI-FM. Retrieved December 26, 2024.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Crabs for Christmas

Elias 🦗🐜 07:41, 26 December 2024 (UTC).

• Comment I'm gonna suggest an alt, if you don't mind :).

  ALT1 ... that a song about desiring an emotionally unstable boyfriend is named after Martin Scorsese?

Di (they-them) (talk) 11:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - While the hook seems true, the source attached here doesn't explicitly support some of the facts. It doesn't verify that Scorsese is known for crime films (just films in general) nor that SZA didn't expect him to find about it (just that his daughter (and potentially him) found out about it). It's possible his daughter posted the story without sharing the song with him. "SZA was shocked after she received the Scorsese family's blessing." could be partially implied to mean this, but I'd still prefer a more direct statement to confirm.
• Interesting:

Overall: Overall, the article presents no problems. Reliable sources exist, the paragraphs are cited, it's new enough, long enough, and there's no copyvio. ALT2 reads as more interesting to me, but it would also need a valid source as the linked one doesn't support the "emotionally unstable boyfriend" portion. I'd be more than happy to approve if this part is resolved. TheDoctorWho (talk) 19:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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Crabs for Christmas

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• ... that "Crabs for Christmas", a song about a man asking Santa Claus for crab as a Christmas gift, became a Maryland holiday tradition?

• Source: Worthington, Aliza (December 12, 2023). "The enduring Baltimore charm of David DeBoy's 'Crabs for Christmas,' more than 40 years after initial release". Baltimore Fishbowl. Retrieved December 25, 2024.

• ALT1: ... that a radio station refused to air "Crabs for Christmas" due to its use of the Baltimore accent? Source: DeNike, Lisa (December 14, 1981). "His Christmas record won't make him crabby". The Evening Sun. p. B7. Retrieved December 25, 2024 – via Newspapers.com.
• ALT2: ... that the writer of "Crabs for Christmas" joked that it contributed to Baltimore's population decline? Source: "Our very own Bawlmer, hon, has been immortalized on CD". The Baltimore Sun. November 25, 2001. Retrieved December 26, 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mahra Al Maktoum

charlotte 06:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC).

• Hi. Made a copyedit here before my review; feel free to revert some of the changes if you don't agree with them

Overall: AGF on all the offline sources. Baltimore Sun review has no citation though so you would want to fix that. ALT2 is interesting, but a bit misleading -- it does not convey the jocular nature of the writer's comments. The rest are also fine, although I recommend rewriting them as well to bring out more of their hookiness. Elias 🦗🐜 07:22, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@PSA: thank you for the copyedits. I'm unsure what you mean by the review being unsourced; the quotation is in the cited source ("His Christmas record won't make him crabby"), although it is a stretch to call it positive, so I removed that from the lead. I've replaced "said" with "joked" in ALT2 and would welcome any copyedit on the hooks. charlotte 04:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hm, first off my bad for the "unsourced" comment. Second, my issue with ALT0 right now is that it is a bit too wordy. Perhaps you can trim the hook so that it just focuses on "a song about crabs as a Christmas gift". That's all I have for now Elias 🦗🐜 05:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

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 Disagree According to the sources in the article, after forcing the child she and her husband wanted to have as a boy to "behave like a boy" for 4 years, forcing them to play with cars, football and Marvel heros and even listen to heavy metal at 2-3 years old, and chasticizing them for liking "girl stuff" and throwing away all his "girl like" toys, until the poor child was proposing to die and reborn as a girl so he could play with the stuff they liked, this openly conservative women finally gave up imposing such "boy stuff" on them and at 4 years old decided they are a girl instead, thrusting that identity on the child since then and eventually forming that NGO to "spread the word". I don't know this section very well, so maybe such troglodyte and incredibly prejudiced display of behaviour is something so bizarre it would be worth to have here, but I have to disagree. Darwin 18:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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