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Wikidata list of ongoing conflicts
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Corrections of Inaccuracies and Omissions
In the column showing location, there are several historical errors:
In Major Wars: The war involving Israel is misnamed and misleading. It was NOT the "Israeli- Palestinian conflict." It WAS named Israel War of Independence. The day after its statehood, Israel was attacked by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and a formation from Saudi Arabia that fought under Egypt. Under 20,000 died in that war. Iraq and Yemen were not involved, and there were no "Palestinians " or "Palestine" in 1948. The term "Palestinian" was created by Arafat in 1964. The refugees from the War of Independence were called "refugees."
(The attacks on Israel from "refugees" began in the 1950s. The attacks on Christians and Jews in the area (now Israel) before statehood were from "Arabs" living in the region beginning with Arab Colonialism in the 7th century.)
In Wars (1,000- 9,999): Israel is incorrectly shown as involved in the area 2014 Yemeni Civil War. Israel was not involved nor in any way related to the cause of this conflict. Placing Israel in this conflict as a location is both misleading and revisionist.
Yemen's current attacks are a new conflict and not just limited to Israel and include Saudi Arabia, US, Pakistan, Norway, UK, and Panama. Those countries should be included in "location" for 2023.
In the Minor Deaths Conflict.
In the 1948 Israeli-Lebanonese conflict, there is an icon and link to the Palestinian flag. There is no country named "Palestine" now, and there wasn't one in 1948. The 1948 attack on Israel by Lebanon had nothing to do with "Palestinians." By including an incorrect reference to them, the site contains revisionist history.
The Palestinian flag is incorrectly shown as being a country and participant in this war. The term "Palestinian" became a reference to refugees of this war in 1964 by Arafat.
In Deaths by Country
"Palestine" is not a country and is the only inclusion of an ethnic group. Please remove or reclassify it to what it currently really is.
Omissions:
Sahel
Indonesia
Philippines
Taiwon-China Dr.Donna23 (talk) 08:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- The naming of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not in the scope of this article as this is the name agreed to be used in various other articles on the topic. Furthermore, its inclusion today does not refer to the initial war of independence, but rather the low-intensity conflict between Israel and its neighbors which has seen intermittent flare-ups ever since.
- Israeli involvement in the Yemeni civil war is tied to Houthi strikes as a result of the ongoing war against Hamas, hence Israel is marked as a belligerent party both here and on the article. Again, this grievance is not in this page's scope since editors here did not make the call to include it as a phase of the civil war in Yemen.
- Palestine's inclusion in the Israeli-Lebanese conflict has been removed given that the PLO ceased participation decades ago (a fact reflected in the article as well).
- Palestine is a de jure state with deaths on its territory due to one or more conflicts listed in this article and, as such, should be included. ACLED, the source of the casualty statistics, recognizes this and thus catalogues deaths which have occurred within Palestine's borders due to war.
- The Sahel is not omitted (insurgency in the Maghreb under "major conflicts") nor is Indonesia (Papua conflict under "minor conflicts") or the Philippines (civil conflict and drug war under "minor conflicts"). The Chinese Civil War, though continuing under the Cross-Strait conflict, is omitted because no deaths have been recorded in the past or current calendar year as a result of it. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 09:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Why are the wars in Israel and Myanmar both dated back to 1948, while the war in Ukraine is dated to 2022, despite having ongoing disputes dating back to 2014? I understand this article is not the place where this is decided, so where is the place where that decision is made?
- In all 3 cases, there were triggering events in 2022-2023 with subsequent large scale conflicts involving 10,000+ deaths, so I'm curious what the criteria difference is here for Ukraine in this case. As a reader, I think it is much clearer to differentiate between the immediate conflicts and the ongoing conflicts, for example, with the Myanmar coup leading to an outbreak of civil war. Fileyfood500 (talk) 03:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- List of ongoing armed conflicts#Major wars (10,000 or more combat-related deaths in current or previous year) has the Russo-Ukrainian War entry near the bottom of the table and it is dated to 2014 not 2022, so I don't understand where you get 2022 from? Kathleen's bike (talk) 03:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oh that's right, ok, that makes sense, I mixed something up- Fileyfood500 (talk) 04:03, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- List of ongoing armed conflicts#Major wars (10,000 or more combat-related deaths in current or previous year) has the Russo-Ukrainian War entry near the bottom of the table and it is dated to 2014 not 2022, so I don't understand where you get 2022 from? Kathleen's bike (talk) 03:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Maoist insurgency in Turkey
Maoist rebel groups are still active in turkey and skirmishes between Maoist insurgents and Turkish army is still happing so shouldn't the Maoist insurgency in turkey be added to “skirmishes and clashes” Christsos (talk) 01:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- There have not been any known deaths associated with this conflict in 2023 or this year so far in order for it to be on the list. Whitesin21 (talk) 23:39, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- here is a list of deaths due to this conflict
- One person killed in attack on Istanbul courthouse | News | Al Jazeera Christsos (talk) 23:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Arab-Israeli conflict
Would it be appropriate to add "Arab-Israeli conflict" as the top-level conflict for the "Israeli-Lebanese conflict" listed in the 1000-9999 chart? Like the "Israeli-Palestinian conflict", the "Israeli-Lebanese conflict" got its legs back in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Or going even further, perhaps we should merge these two conflict entries into a single conflict, because they have common origins, tend to flare up together, etc. Discuss here, please. --Quantling (talk | contribs) 16:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Lebanon barely participated in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Anyway, the current conflict is not really between Israel and the Lebanese government or military as such. It could be OK to group the two conflicts together, but DON'T indiscriminately merge them, not least because Nasrallah is sniping and harassing at Israel, but not daring to launch a full-scale war, while the Gaza situation has gone beyond that. AnonMoos (talk) 17:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Agree that based on the grouping of all other conflicts since 1948 under the Arab-Israeli conflict, the Israeli-Lebanese conflict falls within the scope of the category. The 1948 article lists Lebanon as a participant with troop counts, cites sources of a Lebanon goal to conquer territory in northern Palestine, 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Syria and Lebanon are listed as participants in both conflicts as well, and both conflicts are dated to 1948, implying that both sections are including the same Syria-Lebanon-Israel conflict since 1948.
- I understand the clear distinction between the current conflict in Gaza and the the Israel-Hezbollah engagement, however, I understand from a discussion above that the current methodology in place is to combine all conflicts in areas where there is ongoing violence, which is why the Myanmar conflict is also dated back to 1948.
- Is the logical next step to make an edit request to review/further discuss this change? Fileyfood500 (talk) 03:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have learned a bit more, and found that the Israeli-Lebanese conflict is listed under the Arab-Israeli conflict in wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/Q8669.
- I checked to see if this error occurred in other entries.
- For Sudan, I found that the 2 concurrent wars listed are not connected by a parent conflict.
- For the Yemen Civil War, I found that this also did not connect back to the Arab-Israeli war, and is correct to list separately.
- It is unclear why Israel is listed as a belligerent for the Yemen Civil war, although it is not listed as a belligerent in any of the linked articles, including the latest article. The United States is listed as a belligerent in multiple of the conflicts, including the current conflict.
- The Boko Haram insurgency and the Anglophone Crisis in Nigeria are not connected in wikidata
- Fileyfood500 (talk) 04:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Lebanon was rhetorically belligerant in 1948, but Lebanese troops fought with Israeli troops in relatively few battles. The Lebanon-Israel fighting was unimpressive compared to other fighting in the 1948 War. AnonMoos (talk) 11:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide a source and clarify what you mean by unimpressive? From our current article on the 1948 war, there are 436 soldiers listed for Lebanon, 300 listed for Yemen, 800-1200 listed for Saudi Arabia, 2500-5000 listed for Syria, 3500-6000 for the Arab liberation army, etc. Currently we list all of these countries as belligerants in the 1948 conflict, and in the arab-israeli conflict dating back to 1948, which is in line with wikidata and the sources.
- Are you arguing that we need to modify wikidata, and the article on the 1948 war, and the current entry in the list for the Arab-Israeli war to remove Lebanon? And is your implication to also remove Yemen? Please clarify.
- Presently, to be consistent, and without any judgement/sourcing about if the Lebanon-Israel fighting was impressive, we need to combine the Israeli-Lebanese conflict with the Arab-Israeli war, as it's counted twice.
- I think it would be great if we could establish a definition of what constitutes a sufficient conflict to qualify as a belligerent, if that hasn't been established already. I'm sure there are existing discussions/guidance on this within wikipedia and from public/international policy sources. Fileyfood500 (talk) 02:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Lebanon was rhetorically belligerant in 1948, but Lebanese troops fought with Israeli troops in relatively few battles. The Lebanon-Israel fighting was unimpressive compared to other fighting in the 1948 War. AnonMoos (talk) 11:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not talking about changing anything on Wikidata, but in Quantling's original comment Quantling said "the `Israeli-Lebanese conflict' got its legs back in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War", but while there was a formal state of war, in fact there wasn't much direct fighting between Lebanese and Israeli forces in 1948, which would seem to contradict Quantling's comment. If Quantling meant something different, should have written something different. AnonMoos (talk) 13:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is difficult for me to comment on this, because "got its legs" can be interpreted in different ways. At the simplest, it states that something started, which we agree is the case. Beyond that, I understand you are interpreting it to imply that fighting is substantial, and it's unclear if Quantling is interpreting the phrase in the same way, or yet another.
- Given the fighting started in 1948, I'll make a separate edit request to combine the entries. Fileyfood500 (talk) 16:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not talking about changing anything on Wikidata, but in Quantling's original comment Quantling said "the `Israeli-Lebanese conflict' got its legs back in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War", but while there was a formal state of war, in fact there wasn't much direct fighting between Lebanese and Israeli forces in 1948, which would seem to contradict Quantling's comment. If Quantling meant something different, should have written something different. AnonMoos (talk) 13:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Grouping all of the wars Israel has been involved in since 1948 as one conflict is self-evidently non-factual, tendentious and deliberately intended to inflate the total casualty count (which itself is highly dubious; hundreds of thousands!? Add up the casualties in the 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982 and then other conflicts does not come close to 300,000). The total Arab casualties in all of the wars of the Arab-Israeli conflict in the Arab-Israeli conflict article is around 90,000. I don't know how to do a signature here so sorry User:Idontknowhowtodothissorry
Map accuracy ?
In other words, this map is not just extremely prejudiced but also outdated. Mystrixo (talk) 12:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do you mind elaborating? Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 13:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- I do mind, yes.
- I could go into more detail, but I know that would just be a waste of time.
- There is not a single nation in the West, NATO, or Europe that is colored in any way.
- Upon initial glance at the map, it is immediately apparent that the ARAB region has the most color.
- Completely unprofessional, prejudiced, and extremely unwikipedian. Mystrixo (talk) 16:04, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- If you or another editor were to include/suggest an edit for adding an ongoing armed conflict taking place in a currently-unmarked country that satisfies the article criteria, then the map will be updated accordingly. Active conflicts in Western countries have been previously included (e.g. Dissident Irish republican campaign) when meeting those requirements. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 17:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Whether or not I modify, include, suggest, or add a topic to the chat page is entirely up to me.
- The author of this ought to have employed a neutral point of view rather than providing blatantly biased material in an attempt to indoctrinate readers on which nations are unsafe! WhooooA! I am from a nation that is shown on the map in red, but it is safer than the United States when it comes to safety in general.
- According to statistics, there are a lot of gun-related fatalities in the US. In 2023, there were around 43,000 gun-related fatalities, according to organizations like Everytown for Gun Safety and the CDC .
- Oh, you will argue, it is different; it is not military battles.
- Time up! I have wasted enough time already, and I have spoken the painful truth. Mystrixo ✉️ 19:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Correct, there's a separate article for that. Conflating homicide with casualties in armed conflict even when reliable sources and organizations such as the United Nations make that distinction is blatant synthesis.
- Now if these deaths were part of a second American Civil War, their inclusion would be perfectly relevant. Fortunately, it is not the job of editors to misconstrue political realities and make all countries seem equally afflicted by conflict when that is not the case. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 22:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Clyde H. Mapping I did not suggest that the editors should make every country appear the same—that would be foolish—but rather, I drew attention to the inaccurate map, pointing out that many of the countries marked as such do not actually have any active conflicts going on, and if the article does contain non-active historical conflicts, then where is the American Revolutionary War? World Wars I and II? If I had not known from multiple sources that the map is out of date, I would not have started this discussion. Why do not we just agree on that? Mystrixo ✉️ 00:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- What non-active conflicts are included? Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 14:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Let us talk about the active conflicts that are not included.
- The ongoing armed conflicts between USA and YEMEN ? Mystrixo ✉️ 21:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- How many Americans have died on US soil as a result of the Red Sea crisis?
- Per criteria for inclusion: "Location refers to the states where the main violence takes place, not to the warring parties..." Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 15:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Who gave you the order to determine whether or not to limit the map to nations with casualties on their soils only? Mystrixo ✉️ 18:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Whoever first added that without any major opposition. While the consensus to depict locations rather than belligerents hasn't been challenged, it can change; proposing expanding inclusion to countries currently participating in wars (not just the locations of wars) probably warrants a new topic. Judging by a section I found in the talk page archives, this long predates my editing. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 18:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that there needs to be a change made regarding this.
- Really, all of the participating nations must be included in the ongoing armed conflicts in an impartial manner. Mystrixo ✉️ 19:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Whoever first added that without any major opposition. While the consensus to depict locations rather than belligerents hasn't been challenged, it can change; proposing expanding inclusion to countries currently participating in wars (not just the locations of wars) probably warrants a new topic. Judging by a section I found in the talk page archives, this long predates my editing. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 18:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Who gave you the order to determine whether or not to limit the map to nations with casualties on their soils only? Mystrixo ✉️ 18:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- What non-active conflicts are included? Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 14:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Clyde H. Mapping I did not suggest that the editors should make every country appear the same—that would be foolish—but rather, I drew attention to the inaccurate map, pointing out that many of the countries marked as such do not actually have any active conflicts going on, and if the article does contain non-active historical conflicts, then where is the American Revolutionary War? World Wars I and II? If I had not known from multiple sources that the map is out of date, I would not have started this discussion. Why do not we just agree on that? Mystrixo ✉️ 00:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- This article is about armed conflicts. The countries not highlighted currently are not at war. If your country is in red, well you have my sympathies, but as long as the data is accurate all the map is doing is representing that. Homicide rates in countries at peace are irrelevant to this. There's no "indoctrination" going on here, please assume good faith. — Czello 22:15, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Is Algeria currently at war? How come it is orange? Is there a war in Morocco? Brazil? Saudi-Arabic? India ? Do they have a war going on? Where is the American Revolutionary War? Where is World War I & II, unless we are talking about wars throughout history? Though it is merely words, you can argue that the data is correct. And if you want to restrict free speech, do not bring up the faith practice; it doesn't apply here. I have the right to start a topic and engage in a conversation regarding the map's accuracy. Mystrixo ✉️ 23:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- It might help if you learnt what "ongoing" means before asking about the American Revolutionary War and other conflicts that are very obviously not "ongoing". Kathleen's bike (talk) 23:41, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- It could be beneficial if you read my response with open eyes and notice that I mentioned the ongoing conflicts in nations that the map falsely indicates are at war when they aren't. Mystrixo ✉️ 23:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- The article does not distinguish whether a country is de jure at war or verifiably engulfed in armed conflict. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a de jure "special military operation" but it is still included, as was the preluding Donbas war which was likewise never a declared, formal war. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 14:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Did I bring up the Russian-Ukrainian conflict during our conversation? No.
- Using Algeria as an example, what are the current armed conflicts going on there?
- And why are not just de jure war countries included in the article? Mystrixo ✉️ 21:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I do not have any more time, so let us stop here.
- Update the map—according to ACLED data, it is out of current.
- Case closed. Mystrixo ✉️ 22:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- The map is currently accurate to the criteria upon which it is based, detailing conflicts listed in the article table, accounting for deaths on territory due to conflict (not coloring in countries based on participation) as distinguished between major wars, wars, minor conflicts, and skirmishes. I or someone else will continue updating it if new countries meet the requirements for armed conflict listed out there (or as ACLED numbers for countries are updated, something I've kept to for about a year now).
- Algeria is listed as a location of the insurgency in the Maghreb to which it has suffered conflict-related deaths within its jurisdiction in the past/current year.
- The article is called "List of ongoing armed conflicts" not "List of declared wars/interstate conflicts." "Declaration of war" already has a section on declared wars post-WWII. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 15:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- I will paraphrase from your response: "Algeria is... the past/current year."
- Provide proof and a reference to the locations of conflict-related deaths in Algeria in 2023/2024.
- I am holding out! Mystrixo ✉️ 18:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- +
- Even the insurgency in the Maghreb article is outdated, so it can not be used as a reference to the on-going conflicts. Mystrixo ✉️ 19:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- From ACLED Dashboard (1/1/2023-22/3/2024):
- "ID: 10160903; LOCATION: Bordj Emir Abdelkader; FATALITIES: 1; ACTORS: Military Forces of Algeria (2019-); NOTES: On 10 May 2023, an Algerian army patrol clashed with presumed AQIM militants during a clearing operation in Ain Al Ksira near Bordj Emir Abdelkader (Bordj El Emir Abdelkader, Tisselit). One Algerian soldier was killed and four militants were arrested."
- "ID: 9790872; LOCATION: Babar; FATALITIES: 4; ACTORS: AQIM: Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb; NOTES: Around 13 January 2023, an IED presumably planted by AQIM militants exploded at the passage of a group of hunters in Boudkhar in the commune of Babar (Babar, Khenchela) killing four of them."
- Unfortunately for most African conflicts the lack of media reporting makes databases the next best sources. Should the insurgency in the Maghreb be reliably marked as "over," any countries whose deaths can be attributed to that conflict would be unmarked on the map. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 19:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Heh, they still blame Al Qaeda; those are just a series of routine strikes similar to those that occasionally occur in the US, France, and Russia. Thus, the ongoing battles do not correspond to the year 2024, and it is likely that we are still in 2023.
- You discuss media reporting from Africa as though it were a single nation, when in reality, Africa is a continent made up of at least 54 countries, as opposed to North America's 23. Is that not what proves my point? Mystrixo ✉️ 19:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- There you have it—the only filter I left out is the violent demonstration,
- which does not include using armed battles:(ACLED Dashboard Screenshot) Mystrixo ✉️ 19:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The starting date I used goes back to 2023, not 2024, hence "past/current calendar year." In just this year, Algeria has no deaths. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 21:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I take it that you are holding out for deaths to happen in 2024 😂?
- If conflicts are not ongoing in 2024, then ongoing must, in my opinion, exclude conflicts from 2023.
- If the sources are available, which they are in this case in ACLED,
- the
Map of ongoing armed conflicts (number of combat-related deaths in current or previous year)
, - must be updated to the current year. Mystrixo ✉️ 01:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Plenty of conflicts with casualties only in the past year are included (North Korea, Angola, Peru) mostly under Skirmishes and clashes. Should they be removed? I concede the phrasing is ambiguous since both "past or current year" and "past and current year" are used in the list. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 01:53, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Again I don't care what time span the article chooses to determine a conflict as "ongoing" if a consensus can be reached.
- My guess is the current 2 year measure was chosen to avoid the list + map being wiped clean every year, which might give the impression that certain ongoing conflicts had just ended (e.g. Syrian civil war 10,000+ casualties 31 December 20XX, one day later completely reset). Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 01:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- For what reason would you view an annual update to the map as wiping?
- I do not see why we do not even update the map once a year;
- what is the point?
- I believe I was right when I mentioned that since it will merely be a waste of my time, I do not mind elaborating.
- Since editors are no longer free to edit, update, write, or even exist, you are free to do with the map what you choose.
- There is nothing more that I want to talk about, end of discussion. Mystrixo ✉️ 02:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Justification ≠ defense.
- Want the list to reflect the current year only? If you could directly edit I'd say be bold, but otherwise, I recommend making an edit request and getting editors on board. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 02:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Justification ≠ defense
- Kindly refrain from using that legal phrase on me; it is reserved for defendants, not Wikipedians.
- Instead of being about (I want), it is about what should be.
- I can't edit; the article is on extended protection.
- Feel free to archive or delete or mark this discussion as resolved, I no longer want to continue
- discussing, since whether I bring up to date credible sources or not, in the end it doesn't even matter. Mystrixo ✉️ 03:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- The starting date I used goes back to 2023, not 2024, hence "past/current calendar year." In just this year, Algeria has no deaths. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 21:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- The article does not distinguish whether a country is de jure at war or verifiably engulfed in armed conflict. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a de jure "special military operation" but it is still included, as was the preluding Donbas war which was likewise never a declared, formal war. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 14:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- It could be beneficial if you read my response with open eyes and notice that I mentioned the ongoing conflicts in nations that the map falsely indicates are at war when they aren't. Mystrixo ✉️ 23:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- It might help if you learnt what "ongoing" means before asking about the American Revolutionary War and other conflicts that are very obviously not "ongoing". Kathleen's bike (talk) 23:41, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Is Algeria currently at war? How come it is orange? Is there a war in Morocco? Brazil? Saudi-Arabic? India ? Do they have a war going on? Where is the American Revolutionary War? Where is World War I & II, unless we are talking about wars throughout history? Though it is merely words, you can argue that the data is correct. And if you want to restrict free speech, do not bring up the faith practice; it doesn't apply here. I have the right to start a topic and engage in a conversation regarding the map's accuracy. Mystrixo ✉️ 23:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- If you or another editor were to include/suggest an edit for adding an ongoing armed conflict taking place in a currently-unmarked country that satisfies the article criteria, then the map will be updated accordingly. Active conflicts in Western countries have been previously included (e.g. Dissident Irish republican campaign) when meeting those requirements. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 17:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Mystrixo -- With a few seconds of Googling, I found this: "In 2021, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (26,328), while 43% were murders (20,958), according to the CDC." I assume there would be a roughly similar proportion within the 43,000 number you pulled up... AnonMoos (talk) 01:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- I did not pull that number up, EveryTown for Gun Safety Fund did.
- Source Mystrixo ✉️ 02:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Mystrixo -- With a few seconds of Googling, I found this: "In 2021, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (26,328), while 43% were murders (20,958), according to the CDC." I assume there would be a roughly similar proportion within the 43,000 number you pulled up... AnonMoos (talk) 01:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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The suggested edit is combine the entry for the Arab-Israeli conflict, and the Israeli-Lebanese conflict, which is listed as a subcategory of the Arab-Israeli conflict in wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/Q8669
In "Major wars (10,000 or more combat-related deaths in current or previous year)" section, change:
To:
In "Wars (1,000–9,999 combat-related deaths in current or previous year)" section, remove the row starting with:
Change the Cumulative Fatalities entry for the Arab-Israeli conflict row, using the same source: https://www.systemicpeace.org/warlist/warlist.htm
| − | + | 94,000+ |
Fileyfood500 (talk) 17:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC) Fileyfood500 (talk) 17:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Appears to have already been done. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Make Belarus Yellow
^ 66.244.233.10 (talk) 23:24, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, I'm open to this. Can you provide any sources or documentation of ongoing fighting in Belarus? Also, is this conflict information reflected in wikidata? Fileyfood500 (talk) 03:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Good faith edits by user Illegitimate Barrister
While the edits were in good faith, there are several issues with the removal of all flags, the unlinking of all countries, and the listing of countries through commas. No other article does this. MOS:FLAG does NOT apply here, as this is a military article, and the flags both help the article visually and can help users distinguish between countries in ways outside their name. Also, the italics were on nations like Armenia and South Korea due to them being disputed states (which Illegitimate Barrister would've known had they read the CRITERIA "Italics indicate disputed territories and unrecognized states."). Then, the unlinking of countries to their respective articles is just kinda stupid, considering it makes it harder to find more info on the nations for people who aren't educated in the subject. Also, HARDLY ANY OTHER ARTICLE IS FORMATTED IN THIS FASHION. Look at most other lists around wikipedia. List of wars: 2003–present, Misplaced Pages:Unusual articles, and the majority of other military-related articles. All would break the MOS:FLAG according to IB's edits on this page. Also, it just looks so damn horrible. Someone, please revert the edits. I cannot do so as I am not extended confirmed. Or hell, even better, @Illegitimate Barrister themselves revert the edits. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 02:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree the edits should be reverted. The flags are in line with other articles and standards. Possibly @Illegitimate Barrister removed the flags because the article is controversial, and MOS:FLAG states that flags may be removed in controversial artricles. However, in this case, the flags do not appear to be the controversial aspect of the article, and the change is now inconsistent with List of wars: 2003–present, as @IdioticAnarchist points out. Fileyfood500 (talk) 03:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Inaccurate and tendentious categorisation of Israel-Hamas war
Grouping all of the wars Israel has been involved in since 1948 as one conflict is self-evidently non-factual, tendentious and deliberately intended to inflate the total casualty count (which itself is highly dubious; hundreds of thousands!? Add up the casualties in the 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982 and then other conflicts does not come close to 300,000). The total Arab casualties in all of the wars of the Arab-Israeli conflict in the Arab-Israeli conflict article is around 90,000. If you're actually saying Israel is a "belligerent in the Yemeni civil war", and then adding all of the deaths from that conflict (given Israel has not struck back at all and is not at war with Yemen or Houthis, and has not caused any deaths in Yemen) is so obviously biased, as is calling Israel a "belligerent" in what are, in fact, unlawful terror attacks by a non-state actor. I don't know how to do a signature here so sorry User:Idontknowhowtodothissorry -- 2 May 2024 2a02:6b6d:1338:0:fd31:8c17:3cf2:3a56
Legend and map have specified types of war
To preface, I do not think that there is an error, I do believe this is intentional, I just think it would be better done differently.
For the legend for the map: Yellow is "Skirmishes and Clashes (1-99)" Orange is "Minor conflicts (100-999) Red is "Wars (1,000-9,999)" Maroon is "Major wars (10,000 or more)"
Why does it take casualties as a measurement, and then apply a label to it? Wouldn't it make more sense for it to just be by casualties? It seems to be overstating these conflicts, especially considering many conflicts throughout the past 20 years have had well over 100,000 casualties, and in the past 100 years many that have reached millions dead. I am not saying these ongoing ones are not still horrific losses of life, any death is terrible, but calling anything with at least 10,000 casualties a 'Major War' seems a bit strange when looking at the number of deaths of other wars in history.
Pretty much I just think the map and legend should be by casualties alone, without labels such as "Minor conflict" or "Major war" being applied.
If I'm missing something obvious, please do point it out, I just want to make Misplaced Pages better. Texinova (talk) 18:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
why the Arab-Israeli conflict Casualties are high there are?
most source show there around 110,000-120,000 not 200,000+ like in table
like https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-casualties-arab-israeli-conflict Thetal1324 (talk) 10:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Time to update with UCDP data for 2023 and before
UCDP data for 2023 was published 29 May 2024. See https://ucdp.uu.se/year/2023 . As usual, many numbers are lower than in this table.
Who has time to update the table? (I often have done it previous years). Tomastvivlaren (talk) 21:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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