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WAS ONE OF THE FOUR DIVISIONS WITHIN THE MONGOL EMPIRE.

“centered in the land of Persia and included present-day Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Azerbaijan and western Pakistan”

This sentence gives the impression that “Persia” was cut into pieces and nations of Iran and Iraq and Afghanistan emerged from it. This is a mistake. Iran existed at the time and it did not emerge after Persia was divided. IRAN IS PERSIA.

Modern day nations of Iraq and Afghanistan did emerge after they were separated from Persia and they did not exist (at least not as independent nations) before but this is not the case for Iran since Persia is just a different name for Iran (westerners used to call it Persia while natives have been calling it Iran for the past 2000 years)

I changed it. Gol 23:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Afghanistan

It is false to say that Iran existed before 1935. The name Iran was not recognized by any international community before 1935. Not even its next door neighbors. The Afghans have been calling their native land as "Afghanistan" (land of the Afghans) for ages, but the name Afghanistan came into existence since the middle of the 18th century, according to the Encyclopaedia of Islam.

In the early 1800s...the British wrote down the name "Afghanland" (refering to Afghanistan) in an agreement between Persians, Afghans and British to end the war between Persia and Afghanistan in 1938. Another point I like to make is that Afghanistan was not part of Persia (Iran) as a whole...only smaller western area...about 15% of total present-day Afghanistan was part of Persian (Iranian) Safavid empire. The northern section was ruled by Uzbeks, while most of the larger area (southeast) was ruled by Moghul Empire or self ruled by the Pashtuns. Before that...Afghanistan was ruled by Timur...and before that Mongolian Empire...and before that...Afghanistan was the center (present day Ghor district, Afghanistan) of Ghori Empire, and before that Afghanistan was the center (Ghazni, Afghanistan) Ghaznavid Empire. ~Nisar NisarKand 11:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

References

1. M. Longworth Dames/G. Morgenstierne/R. Ghirshman, "Afghānistān", in Encyclopaedia of Islam, Online Edition

new Map!!

i believe this map is more accurate and better for the article... should we replace it or not???

ps: ill be replacing it within 3 days if no one is really bothered to answer... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arab League (talk • contribs) 22:53, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Franco-Mongol alliance

If there are concerns about the wording of the alliance-related information in this article, I would appreciate if they could be brought up at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for mediation/Franco-Mongol alliance, rather than edit-warring about it here. --Elonka 22:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

(update) The mediation is closed, the dispute has moved to arbitration. --Elonka 18:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Is it really relevant to write Chinese names for places of the khanate?

I don't think that Chinese names are relevant to this article. Chinese were not the native people of this khanate. They were subjects to Yuan Dynasty only. --GenuineMongol (talk) 14:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

They used chinese seals on some of their letters, like here and here, but unless someone provides evidence to the contrary, I don't think Chinese was commonly used by the population or the elites of this khanate. would be nice to have the mongolian form, though, if we can find out what designation the Ilkhans used for their domain. Yaan (talk) 22:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The seal used by Ghazan in 1302 is exactly the one used by Arghun in 1289 (here), with Chinese characters "輔國安民之寶". The seal used by Oljeitu in 1305 reads "真命皇帝和顺萬夷之寶", where "真命皇帝" ("Mandate of Heaven Emperor") is a typical usage referring to Emperor of China.--207.112.34.108 (talk) 02:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

If the seals ("borrowed" from the Yuan Dynasty?) are the only connection to China, then those should be considered a curiosity, especially since the letters as such are written in Mongolian script. It doesn't mean that Chinese language names have any relevance to the topic otherwise. --Latebird (talk) 07:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

You probably misunderstood my point. I actually agree with Yaan's reply above, but just added a few extra sentences explaining the meaning of the text in the seals.--207.112.34.108 (talk) 07:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Berke was Hulagu's enemy not Batu --Enerelt (talk) 03:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Please help with Mongol/Tatar invasions articles

Can you please discuss/help, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Mongol_Empire#Excellent_article_and_general_mongol_invasion_conquest_articles 97.118.116.250 (talk) 12:23, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Hulagu / Hulegu

I've changed the spelling of the Ilkhan's name back to Hulagu, since this is the spelling used at the article on him, Hulagu Khan. If there's disagreement about which is the most common spelling, the best thing to do is to handle it at the Hulagu Khan article, perhaps by starting a discussion on the talkpage and seeking consensus for a page move. --Elonka 16:30, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Textiles

Lampas with phoenix, silk and gold, Iran or Irak, 14th century. Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 15:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Lampas with rabbits, silk and gold, Iran or Irak, 14th century. Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 15:53, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Were Ilkhanids not Persian?

The Seljuk empire was created by Turkish speaking nomads but they were influenced by Persian culture, so they are called Turco-Persian.

The Ilkhanid khanate was created by Mongol nomads but they accepted Islam and Persian culture, so why are they not called Mongol-Persian?

The Seljuk and Ilkhanid empire has no difference, so they should have been named the same way. But the difference is : nobody speaks Mongolian today in Iran.

But at least 25% of the population of Iran speaks Turkish today. But according to Misplaced Pages Turkic nomads are considered Persian but Mongols are always Mongols? Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DragonTiger23 (talk • contribs) 18:51, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

"Turco-Persian" is an old descriptive which relates to the military, in which peoples of Iran were conscripted under Turkic commanders - the Seljuks were Turks, not Persian.104.169.47.12 (talk) 05:47, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Interesting. I have never heard of Mongol-Persian. Unlike other conquest nations in Iran, the Mongols preserved their identity for a while and very quickly assimilated into Persian society surrounding them, totally losing their origin. --Enerelt (talk) 11:55, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Further to my previous comment, Hulegu had more than 10 wives but their children's major descendants all died or killed during the purge of internal conflict between Mongols. By 1335, there had been only Arpa from the House Qasar left to succeed the late khan. Abu Said nominated him to be his successor.--Enerelt (talk) 02:35, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

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no mention of the destruction caused in the area of modern Iraq?

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Early Mongol rule

>> Möngke Khan prohibited ortog-merchants and nobles from abusing relay stations <<

What are/were ortog-merchants? -- Picapica (talk) 00:11, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Muslim merchants contracted by the Mongols - I will effect repair to the article today. - HammerFilmFan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.24.39 (talk) 22:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

caution with tertiary sources

The use of "coffee table" type references - in this case, Chris Atwood's Mongol encyclopedia, should be looked at carefully to see if they conflict with more scholarly sources. This reference has it that Hulagu self-proclaimed himself as "Il-Khan" in one part of the article, where another has it that Kublai granted him the title. I will copyedit to fix the problem. I've found errors in other general works on the Mongols where the editors either were careless or had some editorial POV with more specialty works on the subject.50.111.24.39 (talk) 23:36, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Few problems

• Until when were they a division of the Mongol Empire?
• Was their religion shamanism (not a religion) or Tengrism?
• Why is the Mongol name (not even Middle Mongol) in bold? I propose to change it to: The Ilkhanate, also spelled Il-khanate (Template:Lang-fa, Ilxānān; Template:Lang-mn, ᠬᠦᠯᠦᠭ ᠦᠨ
  ᠤᠯᠤᠰ, Hu’legīn Uls)

opinions? Beshogur (talk) 13:42, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Eh dunno about the first two, but I do agree with the third. Ilkhanate-related articles generally need a rewriting, I hope to begin with it sometime soon. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:31, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Meaning of Early / Middle / Late Islamic period

Hi. What do the terms Early / Middle / Late Islamic period mean? How are they defined? When do they start and end? They show up in articles about Jordan for instance, but I cannot find a periodisation offering the basic meaning. Are these terms mainstream, are they outdated, can they be used over larger parts of the Muslim world?

I will post this also on other relevant pages. The discussion should be held at Talk:Timeline of Islamic history (so not here). Thanks. Arminden (talk) 15:23, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Capital

My edits were deleted by Houser historyofiran due to the capitals I added aren't cities/capitals but residences. But here some reasons they have to be accepted as capital: Firstly, Maragegh the city which written as capital between 1256-1265 was an Ilkhanate city after 1259 so it is impossible to be the capital. And the state was established in 1256 so untill 1259 there must be a headquarter. Secondly, Hulagu, his army and some officers of him were nomads in these years and they settled down later so they ruled the country from the places where I added. I highly recommend my informations must allowed to be added for the sake of inaccuracy. Ultimete (talk) 22:32, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Err.. thanks but I'm not a houser (?). If they're residences, then they shouldn't be added under 'capitals', due to the simple fact that they weren't capitals. Feel free to add it in a relevant place in the body of the article, with properly cited, reliable sources of course. The sources you mentioned in your edit summary, did not seem WP:RS. This is not the first time you have done something like this . --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:35, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

while sources may call these palaces "summer capitals," they were just residences that the khans went to when the weather was favorable - don't get too worked up over the term — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.39.61 (talk) 05:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Please do not delete my editing

Please do not delete date and timeline of ilkkanate Pervezmusk. (talk) 05:15, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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