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Your revision to Kingston, NY: Revision as of 03:40, 29 September 2015 included a reference to the city becoming a "tide-ware coal terminal". I am unable to find other references to this online, and wonder about your source, and what "tide-ware coal" might be. 72.76.101.209 (talk)

Replied on your Talk page. Mannanan51 (talk) 00:02, 19 March 2018 (UTC) (GOT IT, THANKS!)

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	Thank you for your edits and expansion of Saint Chrodegang! Sıgehelmus (Talk) |д=) 17:00, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

The Queen of Sheba visits King Solomon

I've edit all information that I could found about that painting. Please, can you control if this page could be good? Thank you. --82.56.171.191 (talk) 16:38, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Philip II of Spain is depicted as King Solomon, Mary I of England as the Queen of Sheba, and Viglius van Aytta as a king's soldier. Then even the other king and queen's retinue could be depicted as Philip and Mary's related characters. Can you find if there are sources about it and their attires? Thank you! --79.44.235.74 (talk) 10:06, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Please, can you find the English translation of the Latin text in the composition? Thank you! --80.182.55.164 (talk) 15:01, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

So what exactly is going on? I see messages from three different IPs, most of whose edits have been largely disruptive. Mannanan51 (talk) 16:44, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

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		Your patience and diligence in cleaning up the wreck that occurred at Criticism of the Catholic Church are appreciated, and thank you for finally giving us a Criticism article, that has been missing since the 2008 days of the five Catholic Church FACs! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:53, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

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	Really appreciate your commitment and contribution for Wikipidea Tudor Godwin (talk) 16:31, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

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Just to clarify, the reference to the first sentence "Anglo-Saxon missionaries were instrumental..." is fr Thurston in the CE article as indicated in footnote #36. The second sentence "Both Ecgberht of Ripon and Ecgbert of York were instrumental in the Anglo-Saxon mission...." I added to the A/S on April 24, 2019. It was not, however, copied to Insular Monasticism as the A/S mission section was rewritten almost entirely with five citations to various CE articles. I don't care about the attribution tag, but I generally add it myself whether or not it's material I first posted to the source. Manannan67 (talk) 19:56, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in replying. The same content appears in both articles, and that's what the bot found. Sorry for the mistake, you did cite the source and I did not notice. — Diannaa (talk) 13:28, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

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	Thanks for all of the work you've done today in rescuing refs in Gregory Peck! Schazjmd (talk) 01:57, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Btw, I left a note on the other editor's page explaining the problem she'd caused and how to avoid it in the future. Schazjmd (talk) 02:02, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I was going to get to that after I located all the "invoked but not defined" citations. The article is very long, and I do not take issue with the removal of some of the film reviews, but I think I would have wished that the information had been moved to the relevant film rather than outright deleted. Some of it looked fairly articulate and well-sourced (not to mention the product of somebody's hard work). As I don't think it should be altogether lost, I will probably see how much I can recover for the appropriate pages. Btw, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Solstice, Merry Christmas, Happy Kwanza, a Blessed Yule, or anything else you may be celebrating this time of year. Manannan67 (talk) 02:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Apology

I apologise if you interpreted my edit war warning as presumptuous, it was imply meant to head off an edit war and suggest that we go to the talk page. Please feel free to delete it if you wish. Achar Sva (talk) 11:29, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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In reference to the cn tag: it did not appear that the information was all that controversial, the tag is seven years old at this point, and more than likely pertains to Kleinhenz's cite at the end of the paragraph. Although I suppose after this length of time I should probably have just deleted the sentence, regardless of how instructive.

• Re the sentence "For its first 300 years, within the Roman Empire the Catholic Church was..." You will note some discussion on the Talk page regarding the use of "Catholic Church" rather than "Christian". Indeed, this seems to be rationale for the "neutrality" tag at the head of the article. Since the Catholic and Orthodox didn't split until much later, those espousing the term "Christian" are quite correct. But I left it as I've got better things to do than get involved in pointless, contentious debates. Catholic/Christian were not consistently "persecuted" for the entire 300 years.
• The sentence "As central Roman authority disintegrated throughout the late 5th century,... appears to be grammatically incorrect as the word "both" implies someone/thing besides "the Church organization in Italy," but does not indicate what.
• The phrase beginning "The Eastern Roman Empire..." is not a coherent sentence absent a verb.
• The phrase "plus coastal exclaves" appears to be both something of an afterthought and an awkward construction. They are in addition to the Ravenna corridor, not a part of the so-called narrow band.
• -I would have thought the reasoning behind these minor adjustments were in each instance rather self-evident, but if you think your revert rendered the article more grammatical or over-all better, knock yourself out. Manannan67 (talk) 06:20, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

@Manannan67: First off, very little here is "self-evident", and if you had included an Edit Summary (or—even better—a Talk page entry) explaining your intentions, it's likely this would never have happened. Even a note like "Removed really old CN tag from non-controversial text." would have made a world of difference. I, too, have better things to do than engage in pointless arguments, so I try to always explain what I'm doing (and why) so my fellow editors won't have to waste time guessing. — UncleBubba  13:47, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

What is demonstrably self-evident is that the edit summary "not an improvement" is the subjective opinion of someone who either doesn't write very well or in their haste to revert never even bothered to check the items adjusted. You would have found that "both" connects to nothing at all, and another phrase doesn't even amount to a sentence. In no way did my edit remove any information or change the substance of the article. Rather than undoing the revert, you have now restored all those clumsy errors. Well done. Your edit was both pedantic and petty, and was "not an improvement" to the article. Manannan67 (talk) 16:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

What Gives You The Right...

Who are you to delete the the true Augustinian Ethos???

To what R U referring? Manannan67 (talk) 02:52, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

IM Talking about what you know you deleted. dont play dumb your messing with the wrong person i suggest you revert it back to what it said before. Who are you to delete such sacred and inspiring words. EAD and fix it or there will be a Problem

Apparently you are relatively recent to wikipedia and need to acquaint yourself with the process -like indenting your response, signing with four tildas, and avoiding making veiled threats. "Ethos" is directly addressed both under Charism in the Augustinians article and specifically on Augustinian nuns. As far as edits are concerned, they are briefly explained in the respective edit summary. Get back to me after you've learned the basic rules; -unless, of course, you're just here to troll. Manannan67 (talk) 18:41, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

So Why do you have to delete it... What gives you that right... That is something that should be known... sad for you you day will come... LOVE AND LIGHT>>>NXXTLVL<<<

Not very Augustinian of you; sounds like you need a nap. Manannan67 (talk) 17:46, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

The Protector777, please sign your posts by adding ~~~~ at the end of them, it makes following discussions much easier. Also, please do not imply something bad will happen to editors if you do not agree with something they have done. Thank you, Moneytrees🏝️ 17:56, 10 June 2021 (UTC

So you still have yet to answer my question!??? What gives you the right to delete something like that. But I will see you. 2603:7081:4900:F1F6:9DE:24B9:6594:B6E4 (talk) 18:59, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

You will please note (1) the lengthy discussion on the Augustinians Talk page to the extent that it is totally disorganized; (2) that the page is still tagged for being too long. For the most part, I only sorted out some material among the various Augustinian articles. However, since there was quite a bit re-located you will have to be specific as to what exactly you think was deleted out of hand. I doubt very much that anything was removed that was adequately sourced. Manannan67 (talk) 19:07, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your edits to Gothic Fiction!

I thought I should say hello because I've been watching Gothic Fiction for a long time while not feeling up to the task of rescuing what seemed like a very baggy, badly-organized article. Your edits have been wonderful and have inspired me to do a little poking at it. Especially when I'm messing with the structural elements, if you disagree with my approach please do just ignore/revert it -- I don't want to get in the way of your work! But if there are points where it would be helpful to have a second set of eyes or hands, feel free to ping me. Thanks for your work, the article is already very improved! ~ L 🌸 (talk) 04:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

• I like your edits. I found the article a little "all over the place" and tried to get it into a little bit better chronological order. I also wanted to identify the generic elements before its indicated how they were used by various writers. The article is still over 100k bytes and could be both trimmed with a link to the appropriate Main (particularly where there is excessive description of novels that have their own articles) or split (but I have no idea where). It also seems to slide a bit into Romanticism, which although related, figures more prominently in later works, I think. That's about where I m now. Feel free to improve it. (I was going to add a link to the Main French Revolution and the English Gothic Novel, but that looks like it needs a lot of work.) Cheers. Manannan67 (talk) 05:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Our Lady of Medjugorje

Thank you for your edits on this page but we are in a situation where we are slowing editing, enhancing, bringing balance and cleaning up the page. We agreed to bring edits we want to include or change to the talk page. Please do the same. Thank you. Red Rose 13 (talk) 16:01, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I have. Read the Talk page. Manannan67 (talk) 16:07, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank youRed Rose 13 (talk) 17:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

So are you willing to work in collaboration on this page? Red Rose 13 (talk) 21:24, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I have no problem whatsoever with collaborative effort, but I think we may have a different understanding of the term. "Neither one of us should have to ask permission to add well documented information to a page because no one "owns" a page." Manannan67 (talk) 21:31, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Reversion of Andeolus

Hi, can you please explain why you reverted Andeolus? I used Wikisource versions of the references (which are public domain) rather than the newadvent.org versions of the same reference which contain advertising. regards, DivermanAU (talk) 20:06, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

I figure about 1/3 of the cn tags I come across are by editors who cannot recognize a CE article even when it bears the template. The CE template indicates it's PD but doesn't give the author w/o additional adjustment, and a lot of CE articles don't even have that. The citation to New Advent automatically gives the author, which makes a difference if it's someone like Kirsch compared to somebody like Grattan-Flood. Adding the PD template flags that it's Public Domain. (I recently had a new article declined because the reviewer didn't notice.) Wikisource doesn't always give the sources; New Advent has links to related articles. I use both. By using New Advent with the CE wstitle template users can choose which version they want to read, -and everybody should be well-advised that it's PD. Manannan67 (talk) 20:41, 19 November 2021 (UTC).

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Werburgh

Hi - please could you let me know what your reference is for Saint Werburgh being trained by Saint Chad. Many thanks 318HolyFathers (talk) 22:25, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

It's from the Catholic Encyclopedia article "Werburgh" by Dame Gertrude Casanova O.S.B. of Stanbrook Abbey. Manannan67 (talk) 18:04, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Bonny Portmore

Hi In October 2015 you put a note on this saying further references were required. It is quite a short article and it seems to me that pretty much every statement is referenced. I would like to remove the note. Could you look again?Aineireland (talk) 21:31, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

•  Done

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CatholicSaints.Info

Hi Manannan67, I just wanted to let you know that CatholicSaints.Info is a non-expert WP:SPS. It has basically no use to us. As he himself says "it’s still a hobby" and he is an "Amateur Hagiographer" . If you see it around please remove it. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:02, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

I am not remotely interested in CatholicSaints.Info apart from it's occasionally being a convenient portal to access original sources such as Butler or Ramsgate, and I will continue to do so. When a source refers to a prior source, it's generally considered preferable to cite the original from whence the material first derived. Manannan67 (talk) 22:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

We can't use it as a portal, we can only use WP:RS like that. Theres nothing which guarantees that some rando on the internet isn't going to change something in a hosted work or accurately represent it. Thats the whole reason we have a WP:RS policy in the first place. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:14, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Wait, by "continue to do so" do you mean that outside of that revert you have used CatholicSaints.Info? If so you're going to need to remember where so we can go remove it together. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:15, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Is there a problem with reading comprehension? I clearly stated that I do not use CatholicInfo; I go to his sources. That is more than acceptable. Manannan67 (talk) 22:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

You are using catholicsaints.info as a source. If the link is to catholicsaints.info thats your source. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, no. That is incorrect. If I cite McClintock and Strong's Online version, it's still PD because it displays the 1922 text. If I cite CE, it may be from newadvent or it may be from wikisource. It's still CE. Manannan67 (talk) 23:34, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

You are not citing McClintock and Strong's Online version... You're citing catholicsaints.info. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 23:55, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

The Catch-22 (logic) is that without the original source you can't verify that what catholicsaints.info has posted is accurate and if you have the original source then there is no need to cite catholicsaints.info. There just isn't a valid time beyond WP:ABOUTSELF to cite sources like catholicsaints.info. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:12, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

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Ivo of Chartres

I am not seeing where Ivo is mentioned in the source you provided. Do you have a specific page number? A possible quote? --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

• p.122 "the Bishop of Chartres" -who at that time was Ivo. Also, : Ivo provided the foundation charter. See also Manannan67 (talk) 22:18, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

No worries. I just did not see a page number and was unable to find Ivo or the year mentioned. Stay safe! --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:34, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

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That wasn't copied so much as moved wholesale with a link to the Main as I thought Our Lady of Consolation was a better, and more specific location for information concerning the "Archconfraternity of Our Lady of Consolation" rather than a more generic article about cords. The edit summaries indicate where the material came from and where it went. I thought moving text was different from copying as for the most part, it's no longer in the original article and not duplicating it. (It's not precisely a split either.) I routinely use the Attribution edit summary when copying and will do so when moving text if that's the problem.Manannan67 (talk) 21:41, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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I routinely use "Catholic|wstitle=" but prefer to cite NA. While Wikisourse is derived from NA, it does not include the inline links to related topics, and Wikisource doesn't always give the sources. I use both, thus giving the reader a choice. The PD notice was suggested by someone from ce. Manannan67 (talk) 17:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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As the Cortez section indicates, he was a protege of Jara, who died with him. They were canonized together on May 21, 2000 as "Cristóbal Magallanes Jara and 19 other companions" and share the same feast day. There isn't all that much information about either one of them, and between the two of them only a half-dozen citations. As a relatively obscure "other companion", I thought Cortez was likely to get "lost". It just seemed they belonged together. -If you disagree, feel free to reverse it. Manannan67 (talk) 02:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

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