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:::{{ping|Af420}} Those are not “my” sources, I didnt add them. Is it that hard to answer a simple question? I ask again: Can you please demonstrate how these sites constitute as ]? Are they academic sources, written by historians? If you cant adress this then I will restore the original revision, and if you revert after that, it will be ]. ] (]) 22:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Af420}} Those are not “my” sources, I didnt add them. Is it that hard to answer a simple question? I ask again: Can you please demonstrate how these sites constitute as ]? Are they academic sources, written by historians? If you cant adress this then I will restore the original revision, and if you revert after that, it will be ]. ] (]) 22:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Af420}} I see you conveniently disappeared. You have till Monday to demonstrate it, that's seven days counting from my earlier comment. --] (]) 23:53, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Af420}} I see you conveniently disappeared. You have till Monday to demonstrate it, that's seven days counting from my earlier comment. --] (]) 23:53, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
::::::{{ping| HistoryofIran}} what’s your problem, why do u think everything on Misplaced Pages should work the way you want it to work? If websites like United Nations and ] says that ] was in fact born in Afghanistan, then there is in fact a chance that he was born there. Moreover, now we have both places as the birthplace, so let people see both sides, if u find better sources than mine, please add them, as many sources u have the strongest your opinion will be. Furthermore, instead of just writing your feelings, please add some good sources! BTW, not everybody has so much free time, so I’ll not be able to discuss this situation with you anymore, you can absolutely do as you wish, but I advise you to always have sources that proves your point:)
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Most recent research on the Divan-e Shams-e Tabrizi.
Here you can find a most recent research on Divan-e Shams-e Tabrizi, in 2 volumes. They are in PDF format, and are donated to the public by the authors. In these volumes accents (اعراب) have been added to the words which will make correct reading and understanding of the contents much easier for those commanding Farsi. In addition difficult words have been translated to help. You are termite to download the contents to your devices should you want to.
"DJALAL AL-DIN RUMI B. BAHA' AL-DIN SULTAN AL-'ULAMA'WALAD B. HUSAYN B. AHMAD KHATIBI, known by the sobriquet Mawlana (Mevlana), Persian poet and founder of the Mawlawiyya order of dervishes, which was named after him, was born on Rabi'I 604/30 September 1207 in Balkh, and died on 5 Djumada II 672/1273 in Konya." --The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Vol. II:C-G, Brill, 1991, page 393, H. Ritter.
"Rumi's birth in Balkh..." -- The Masnavi, Book Five, Jalal al-Din Rumi, page xxvii, transl. Jawid Mojaddedi, Oxford University Press.
"Afghanistan vigorously claims Rumi on ground of "jus soli" because he was born in Balkh..."-- Rapture and Revolution: Essays on Turkish Literature, Talat S. Halman. Syracuse University Press, page 263.
"Rumi, was born in Balkh on the 6th of Rabi' alawwal 604 A.H...." --Islamic Art and Spirituality, Seyyed Hossein Nasr, page 115, State University of New York Press
"Mawlana Jalal al-Din Rumi was one of the greatest poets and mystics of the Islamic world. He was born in Balkh (Korasan) in AD 1207.." --Poetry and Mysticism in Islam: The Heritage of Rumi, ed. Amin Banani, Richard Hovannisian, Georges Sabagh, page 3, Cambridge University Press.
"Perhaps the greatest Sufi poet of all, Jalal al-Din Molavi Rumi, was born near Balkh.. --Iran: What Everyone Needs to Know, Michael Axworthy, page 35, Oxford University Press.
In-depth works on Rumi, such as those by Franklin Lewis, and including the books and articles already cited in the note on the page, explain the residence of Rumi's father in Vakhsh at the time of Rumi's birth in some depth, led by the early scholarship of Fritz Meier. We also have Annemarie Schimmel attesting this scholarship. That's already three eminent subject-matter experts. The above works by contrast appear to be mainly more generalist sources, which one might forgive for being looser on the finer biographical detail. Hellmut Ritter is also an expert, but his 1991 EoI entry is dated. Jawid Mojaddedi is an Afghan scholar who might be forgiven for leaning into the POV identified by Talât Sait Halman: "Afghanistan vigorously claims...". The works by Seyyed Hossein Nasr and Richard G. Hovannisian are again generalist, while Michael Axworthy says "near Balkh", not "in Balkh", which in a very broad sense Vakhsh could be considered to be. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
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Rumi was born in Balkh in present day Afghanistan. This was deleted and someone claims he was born in in the present day post Soviet republic of Tajikistan while there is no proof for that. How can you ignore the fact that Rumi was born in Balkh, present day Afghanistan according to the vast majority of all historians and intellectuals in this world. Misplaced Pages really has become a playground for vandals and ultranationalists 2A00:20:D00F:C03:7904:9EFF:C562:62C5 (talk) 17:27, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
@Af420: Wanna explain to everyone why you are removing supported by two WP:RS (including one by the Oxford University Press) and instead adding information supported by random websites such as rumibalkhi.com? HistoryofIran (talk) 21:44, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
@Af420: This is barely any better, as you still are using non-WP:RS. I ask you again as I did on your talk page, which you failed to answer: How are your random websites WP:RS? Explain. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:55, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Let’s just remove “rumibalkhi.com”, my other sources are still much more reliable than yours. The sources that proves my point are some of the most popular, known and respected websites, like:
@Af420: Those are not “my” sources, I didnt add them. Is it that hard to answer a simple question? I ask again: Can you please demonstrate how these sites constitute as WP:RS? Are they academic sources, written by historians? If you cant adress this then I will restore the original revision, and if you revert after that, it will be WP:ANI. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran: what’s your problem, why do u think everything on Misplaced Pages should work the way you want it to work? If websites like United Nations and The New Yorker says that Rumi was in fact born in Afghanistan, then there is in fact a chance that he was born there. Moreover, now we have both places as the birthplace, so let people see both sides, if u find better sources than mine, please add them, as many sources u have the strongest your opinion will be. Furthermore, instead of just writing your feelings, please add some good sources! BTW, not everybody has so much free time, so I’ll not be able to discuss this situation with you anymore, you can absolutely do as you wish, but I advise you to always have sources that proves your point:)
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lemonaka (talk) 18:15, 25 December 2022 (UTC)