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Stade de France explosions

https://fr.wikipedia.org/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_France#cite_note-incoh.C3.A9rence_avec_la_vid.C3.A9o-50

If you look above, the explosions happened just over three minutes from each other. Why do we keep perpetuating the idea that they were 10 minutes apart and nicely aligned with the :20 minute and :30 minute of the hour? I tried to update this ambiguity but my sources were thrown out as "too old". We should be accurate on this and at least have a note about it. Bod (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I added a note and linked to it. Bod (talk) 20:26, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

The computer internal clok is nanosecond. -9. The speed of sound depends on weather. Given the FR/GE event was recorded on computer and usualy is it is possible to check the time aligment with presision: imo 10-5s (for higher frequency wave mor if superposition defourierized). If the precise locatipon of explosiaons is knows. 10 cm of position displacement give substantial part of second delay. If you say time is aligned then is remote detonation by kind of computer software, Terrorist may use this easy. But given fortunately for us low body cont of the explosions . Anyway seem this time this terrorist did not intended to maximize demage . What if they predicted more destruction will push Holande to Iraq in furius statew like war? Anyway they crosed the line doing enought destruction. 70.211.65.207 (talk) 06:08, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

November 2015 Paris attacks - were they targeting President Hollande?

Did the terrorists who targeted the stadium in Paris on November 13th have advance knowledge that the President of France would be there? Why is there no discussion about this?

WP:NOTFORUM. If you have any source making this claim, then feel free to present it, otherwise, it's idle speculation. LjL (talk) 17:31, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Septimius Severus is still down at the Forum. Just saying. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:50, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

Also, there's an Africa (Roman province) and Africa (Toto song). Coincidence? Does this train go to Amsterdam or Morocco? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:57, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

funerals

Please ad info on funerals. Why it has been here removed? 70.208.33.97 (talk) 18:34, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

IMO limited number of authorized editors. So the subject lag. Kind of logistic. Anyway the do good job kiping things by time order. the order of proceding is.

count victims
body identification
authposy
returnig decesed to family, last will
anoncing funeral
last farewall
main funeral.

some other depending on custom religion etc. Only the first is mentioned here. One (symbolic or real?) funeral was alredy hold in Benetki.

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What is its purpose? What articles link here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bodhi Peace (talk • contribs) 00:20, 1 December 2015‎ (UTC)

@EG, can you comment? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bodhi Peace (talk • contribs) 04:41, 1 December 2015‎ (UTC)

Sanctions template

@WWGB and Kendrick7: as well as everyone else who keeps on the dance of removing Template:SCW&ISIL sanctions just to see it re-added later... I know you and several other people are against the sanctions existing at least on this particular article, and yet, very few people (among which, not you) provided their view in the AN motion about these sanctions that I had started and clearly advertised on this talk page. To be honest, just removing the template without saying a word there seems silly and almost like disruption at this point. You don't build "consensus" by edit warring, especially when it comes to Misplaced Pages-wide sanctions. Take it to the proper place, and maybe we'll eventually accomplish something: if "most here do not want it", then say it for heaven's sake! Right now, I feel silly for even having started it, since I thought a few people would follow up, but instead, everybody was too lazy or something. People get what they deserve. LjL (talk) 15:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, @LjL: I simply don't believe in WP:FORUMSHOPPING, and I won't be goaded into such behavior. I appreciate your point of view, but nevertheless, rules are not the purpose of the community. This page is getting along just fine without the WP:JANITORS slamming their boot down upon anyone who crosses some imaginary line. Take a chill pill, count backwards from 100, and relax! -- Kendrick7 05:17, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Taking things to their proper venue is not "forum shopping", please don't accuse me of that for no reason. Someone has actually ended up on WP:ANEW and almost been blocked for a breach of WP:1RR that was only technical (the reverts involved were perfectly justified), and I've been forced to self-revert myself even though I had made a change that was in line with consensus, because the one editor who disagreed put the 1RR dagger on me. But whatever. The sanctions apply whether the template is there or not, anyway, as long as no one has the guts to actually challenge them. LjL (talk) 15:38, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

The sanctions apply whether the template is there or not Pfft. Nonsense. We have a consensus here that the 1RR sanctions do not apply. Any rogue admins attempting to breach this consensus risk losing the mop per WP:DICK. -- Kendrick7 03:08, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

The page for the Syrian Civil War/ISIL general sanctions clearly says: "Pages may be tagged with {{SCW&ISIL sanctions}}, and {{Editnotice SCW 1RR}} may be used to indicate that articles are under general sanctions. The presence of these templates is not a prerequisite for issuing sanctions, but editors should be made aware of them prior to being sanctioned." and "In addition a one revert rule, which does not require notice, with the following specifications is imposed:" Since an attack planned by ISIL is obviously related to ISIL, broadly construed, the sanctions would apply regardless of if the templates are present. Given the direction of the discussion on AN linked above, these sanctions still have the support of the community. Yes, it is tedious to have to follow 1RR at times, but it also saves a lot of time from having to deal with POV-pushers. ---- Patar knight - /_{contributions} 04:05, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

LjL is correct. All communities since the beginning of civilization have seen the need for rules, since that is how communities survive. The problem is with the bad-faith use of rules as weapons, and I have seen no evidence that LjL is doing that. WP:BURO is not a license to be disruptive. 72.198.26.61 (talk) 21:35, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

IP is right. What LjL did in no way constitutes forum shopping. After a contentious debate on this talk page, he talks it to the only forum where the sanctions can be officially overturned for discussion. I see no problem with this. ---- Patar knight - /_{contributions} 04:08, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

I also note that WP:Local consensus cannot trump global consensus, so just because there is consensus on this page that 1RR should not be applied, sadly, that doesn't make the sanctions go away. Whether the template should stay or go is a slightly separate issue (the template can scare editors off, which was part of the rationale for originally taking it away), but Kendrick7's insistence that the sanctions can and should be challenged by the local consensus right here is simply out of place. What I do note, however, is that the local consensus on here is formed by almost as many editors (if not more) as the ones who took part in forming the community consensus for the sanctions in the first place: so how about challenging them properly? LjL (talk) 18:38, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

I consider removing the template 3 times + mocking comments to be edit warring. If you don't like the sanctions, go change them in the appropriate forum. Legacypac (talk) 04:32, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Suggested edit

I don't have an account, so I can't edit the article myself since it's protected. But I would like to suggest an edit to correct an error. One of the perpetrators is named as "M Al-Mahmod" in the article. To match what the source says, this should be "a person travelling under the name M. Al-Mahmod." It is fairly likely this is a false identity, so Misplaced Pages should not be claiming that this is the perpetrator's real name. I hope someone will make this correction.96.46.197.13 (talk) 04:43, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Why not create an account? --Monochrome_Monitor 19:19, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

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Please remove Category:Current events from November 2015 from this article (non-current event already). 178.94.166.186 (talk) 01:02, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Criticism

Without a criticism section, elaborating on the opinion that the event was a hoax, this article is very simple. Justitia Nai (talk) 18:15, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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