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| I apologize for hitting the wrong key just now, thereby thanking you when I intended to revert you on ]. If you will reread the source you deleted, you will see that he is mentioned as an heir at the end of the article about his uncle in the Cleveland Encyclopedia. I again request that you cease ]. I made a mistake a couple of weeks ago. I apologized. But you are continuing to make Misplaced Pages an unpleasant experience for me - not to mention wasting the time of other editors on that AFD. I make no objection to your improving the Whitaker article or other articles that I started or worked on. I only point out that your time and everyone else's could have been better spent improving articles, than on on WIKIHOUNDING me for an error for which I have repeatedly apologized.] (]) 18:55, 30 August 2015 (UTC) | I apologize for hitting the wrong key just now, thereby thanking you when I intended to revert you on ]. If you will reread the source you deleted, you will see that he is mentioned as an heir at the end of the article about his uncle in the Cleveland Encyclopedia. I again request that you cease ]. I made a mistake a couple of weeks ago. I apologized. But you are continuing to make Misplaced Pages an unpleasant experience for me - not to mention wasting the time of other editors on that AFD. I make no objection to your improving the Whitaker article or other articles that I started or worked on. I only point out that your time and everyone else's could have been better spent improving articles, than on on WIKIHOUNDING me for an error for which I have repeatedly apologized.] (]) 18:55, 30 August 2015 (UTC) | ||
| :{{ping|E.M.Gregory}}: Actually, you're the one holding onto a grudge. I'm following your contribs because you are making constant errors in every article you ware working on. There's gross misrepresentation of sources on Whitaker (which I and others have fixed). You also wrote ] to talk about "political repercussions" (as stated in the edit comment) based solely on Breitbart, which we don't consider RS. The folks from WP:SWEDEN cleaned that up, and there's nothing left "politically" as a result, even from Swedish sources. Your political claims in "impact" have all failed verification, meaning that what you say the sources say is not what they say. You then write three sentences on a guy, put in the wrong surname, and then expect that to be "correct". You see a personal problem, I see persistent and verifiable poor editing. If you can't edit properly, don't. ] (]) 19:05, 30 August 2015 (UTC) | :{{ping|E.M.Gregory}}: Actually, you're the one holding onto a grudge. I'm following your contribs because you are making constant errors in every article you ware working on. There's gross misrepresentation of sources on Whitaker (which I and others have fixed). You also wrote ] to talk about "political repercussions" (as stated in the edit comment) based solely on Breitbart, which we don't consider RS. The folks from WP:SWEDEN cleaned that up, and there's nothing left "politically" as a result, even from Swedish sources. Your political claims in "impact" have all failed verification, meaning that what you say the sources say is not what they say. You then write three sentences on a guy, put in the wrong surname, and then expect that to be "correct". You see a personal problem, I see persistent and verifiable poor editing. If you can't edit properly, don't. ] (]) 19:05, 30 August 2015 (UTC) | ||
| ::I see persistent wikihounding: you started a pointless AFD instead of just improving the Whitaker article, removed a good source from the Harry Payne Bingham article instead of just correcting the transposed name, pushed your POV at the Ikea article |
::I see persistent wikihounding: you started a pointless AFD instead of just improving the Whitaker article, removed a good source from the Harry Payne Bingham article instead of just correcting the transposed name, pushed your POV at the Ikea article - which, come to mention it, makes me wonder if you are Wikihounding me not out of simple, misplaced pique but, rather, because you are pushing a POV on issues surrounding illegal immigration and hope to HOUND me off Misplaced Pages.] (]) 19:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC) | ||
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Please help me with...resolving a policy collision - WP:FCOI wrt WP:OUTING.
MSJapan (talk) 02:22, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Well, if you are paid by a company, then you shouldn't edit its article. WP:OUTING refers to public disclosure. As long as the fact that you're working for a company isn't publicly disclosed, WP:OUTING doesn't apply. --Eat me, I'm a red bean (take a huge bite) 03:07, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Eat me, I'm a red bean: Yes, I know that. The reason I'm asking is because it's not me, and the person who is likely won't disclose it directly (although it has already happened without the editor realizing it, I think). So I don't know how to pursue the matter without getting myself into trouble for outing. MSJapan (talk) 03:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- The headlong clash between these two policies is a longstanding issue. My advice, if you suspect paid COI editing, is as follows:
- First, contact the user explaining that you believe they may be editing for pay and pointing them to the Terms of Use (particularly section 4, which specifically forbids undisclosed paid editing]). Give them some time to respond.
- If they openly deny paid editing, or fail to respond, and you still believe that they are an undisclosed paid editor, contact functionaries-en
lists.wikimedia.org. This is the mailing list for the functionaries team, who can deal with privacy related issues such as undisclosed paid editing. However, please only contact this list if you are able to provide sound evidence of a WP:NOPAY violation.
- Hope that helps. Yunshui 水 09:36, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- The headlong clash between these two policies is a longstanding issue. My advice, if you suspect paid COI editing, is as follows:
- @Eat me, I'm a red bean: Yes, I know that. The reason I'm asking is because it's not me, and the person who is likely won't disclose it directly (although it has already happened without the editor realizing it, I think). So I don't know how to pursue the matter without getting myself into trouble for outing. MSJapan (talk) 03:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
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Wrong headed as a compliment
Well I used the pejorative term for your argument as wrong headed. I actually dont think you are, but thought that your argument was. Of course you think mine are too. So thanks for being so professional about this discussion. I will leave the article alone because I have said my bit and am not expert on the case or on policy. --Smokefoot (talk) 12:55, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
New message
MSJapan, do you have a personal email?Quill&Sword (talk) 23:35, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
WP:WIKIHOUNDING
Please cease WP:WIKIHOUNDING me.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:01, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- I am again asking, quietly, here, not on inappropriate talk pages, that you cease WP:WIKIHOUNDING me. I don't want to take this higher, but I will if you don't take a deep breath and stop following me around and making highly colored and outright false assertions about me.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:47, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Seriously, how is it a false assertion? You claimed on your talk page that professors run their own webpages and write their own content, and therefore that content is not appropriate for a Misplaced Pages article. Nevertheless, it is an official university source, and will be what is sourced for most news articles and press releases, so it's at least factual. However, let's say that you are entirely correct, and that a person wrote their own official content and that therefore we can't use it.
- I am again asking, quietly, here, not on inappropriate talk pages, that you cease WP:WIKIHOUNDING me. I don't want to take this higher, but I will if you don't take a deep breath and stop following me around and making highly colored and outright false assertions about me.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:47, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- However, on Susya, you claim the self-description of Regavim is appropriate. Regavim's material also comes from their website and is written by them. That's not unreasonable, and you did call it "self-description", so I don't think you;re disputing that characterization. So Whitaker writes and maintains his own material, and Regavim writes and maintains their own material. Therefore, there is no discernable difference between those sources. However, in one case, you want to remove it, and in the other you want to keep it.
- If you were using neutral assessment alone, you could not take opposing positions on the same issue. That's inconsistent, and there must be an underlying reason for that. In both cases, taking the position you take supports the portrayal of the article subject in a manner with which you agree, and you don't want anything else portrayed in the article contrary to your viewpoint. That goes against what Misplaced Pages is about, and I am sorry that you don't like it and don't see it, but that is indeed the case. MSJapan (talk) 17:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Citing the self-description of an NGO is hardly the same as objecting to the behavior of an SPA who is blanking and replacing the text of a WP page with an unsourced and highly personal bio . E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:21, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's exactly the same, and I'd really appreciate it if you didn't lie. You stated very clearly here that you knew it was an official university bio. You know the sock was an ASU person, and the uni bio is right here, which is also where the article photo comes from as well. Therefore, it was not unsourced, and you can't maintain that it is. You want to say it's unsourced because that way you don't need to say anything about the subject that doesn't fit with your views. I think you seriously need to realize your own personal biases here, and maybe not write about something that I think you have too close a personal connection with somehow. MSJapan (talk) 17:04, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Citing the self-description of an NGO is hardly the same as objecting to the behavior of an SPA who is blanking and replacing the text of a WP page with an unsourced and highly personal bio . E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:21, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- If you were using neutral assessment alone, you could not take opposing positions on the same issue. That's inconsistent, and there must be an underlying reason for that. In both cases, taking the position you take supports the portrayal of the article subject in a manner with which you agree, and you don't want anything else portrayed in the article contrary to your viewpoint. That goes against what Misplaced Pages is about, and I am sorry that you don't like it and don't see it, but that is indeed the case. MSJapan (talk) 17:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Ongoing Wikihounding
I apologize for hitting the wrong key just now, thereby thanking you when I intended to revert you on Harry Payne Bingham. If you will reread the source you deleted, you will see that he is mentioned as an heir at the end of the article about his uncle in the Cleveland Encyclopedia. I again request that you cease WP:WIKIHOUNDING. I made a mistake a couple of weeks ago. I apologized. But you are continuing to make Misplaced Pages an unpleasant experience for me - not to mention wasting the time of other editors on that AFD. I make no objection to your improving the Whitaker article or other articles that I started or worked on. I only point out that your time and everyone else's could have been better spent improving articles, than on on WIKIHOUNDING me for an error for which I have repeatedly apologized.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:55, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
- @E.M.Gregory:: Actually, you're the one holding onto a grudge. I'm following your contribs because you are making constant errors in every article you ware working on. There's gross misrepresentation of sources on Whitaker (which I and others have fixed). You also wrote 2015 Ikea murders to talk about "political repercussions" (as stated in the edit comment) based solely on Breitbart, which we don't consider RS. The folks from WP:SWEDEN cleaned that up, and there's nothing left "politically" as a result, even from Swedish sources. Your political claims in "impact" have all failed verification, meaning that what you say the sources say is not what they say. You then write three sentences on a guy, put in the wrong surname, and then expect that to be "correct". You see a personal problem, I see persistent and verifiable poor editing. If you can't edit properly, don't. MSJapan (talk) 19:05, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
- I see persistent wikihounding: you started a pointless AFD instead of just improving the Whitaker article, removed a good source from the Harry Payne Bingham article instead of just correcting the transposed name, pushed your POV at the Ikea article - which, come to mention it, makes me wonder if you are Wikihounding me not out of simple, misplaced pique but, rather, because you are pushing a POV on issues surrounding illegal immigration and hope to HOUND me off Misplaced Pages.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)