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| ::It appears that you have made a habit of making off hand comments ] when you are involved in a content dispute . Do you recognize that this behavior is against wikipedia policy and do you plan to avoid any future violations of this policy?] (]) 15:13, 10 February 2013 (UTC) | ::It appears that you have made a habit of making off hand comments ] when you are involved in a content dispute . Do you recognize that this behavior is against wikipedia policy and do you plan to avoid any future violations of this policy?] (]) 15:13, 10 February 2013 (UTC) | ||
| You seem to have a fairly thin skin, you can give criticism but not take it. You are trying to create a red herring, lets stick to the subject, what is to be in the article. | |||
| The last time I was involved in a dispute with editors who persistently deleted material to promote their own POV, it was me who was trying to get in Archaeological evidence, against a religious point of view. This went on for months against editors persistently deleting material that didn't fit their line. But in the final result I reorganised the Ten Commandments, Critical Historical Analysis Section, largely from a sub editing point of view, which still remains today. You will note that another editor made a positive comment about me. | |||
| But lets just have a look at your OT 8 edit, what is the purpose of that quote, except to create bad feeling. It wouldn't get published in a newspaper because you don't have original documents. It would be a legal problem for a newspaper - now I'm just telling you that in terms of standards of writing. We want Misplaced Pages to be professional standard but this is pure prejudice. You want to quote some half truth because it suits your prejudice. It has nothing to do with OT 8 which is one of the higher levels in Scientology and deals with being exterior to the body. Now if Hubbard actually said that his source would have been the Secret Gospel of Mark, which is a controversy about homo-erotic material on Jesus found in a Monastery and is so accurate from all the tools of Biblical and linguistic analysis, that the only criticism that can be made of it is it is too perfect and lacking the small errors in all old manuscripts. By the way, Hubbard is also purported to have said that Jesus didn't actually exist, I have a book by a leading theologian, Bart Ehrman, on that topic titled: "Did Jesus Exist". And finally there is the quote I put in, one of many actual quotes, this time from a book with a page number where Hubbard made admiring comments about Christ. Which is it to be? You choose the least accurate and the most shocking one. It could only be from a desire to create prejudice. I will play ball with you if you will play ball with me, this ought to be deleted, but it could remain if the other two positions and explanatory comments. I'll have another go at that and see if we can get a consensus on it.] (]) 16:11, 10 February 2013 (UTC) | |||
| == Response from Andrewman327 == | == Response from Andrewman327 == | ||
Revision as of 16:11, 10 February 2013
August 2011
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:Ten Commandments. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. JFW | T@lk 08:57, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- I share your view that the article is slanted toward the religious rather than the academic perspective. I hope you choose to stick around. Misplaced Pages can be a very fulfilling place to donate your time. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 15:00, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
February 2013
Your recent edits to Volunteer Ministers could give Misplaced Pages contributors the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Misplaced Pages itself. Please note that making such threats on Misplaced Pages is strictly prohibited under Misplaced Pages's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a dispute with the content of any page on Misplaced Pages, please follow the proper channels for dispute resolution. Please be sure to comment on content not contributors, and where possible make specific suggestions for changes supported by reliable independent sources and focusing especially on verifiable errors of fact. Thank you. Coffeepusher (talk) 17:07, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
It is not a legal threat, it is a fact. I think it would be considered by you to be "uncivil" if some little hacker published your private emails in Misplaced Pages. In 1998 the Church of Scientology sued an organisation called Cult Awareness Network and got full possession of all its assets. That is a matter of history. Furthermore Anonymous is coming under increasing legal attack by Governments and their members are being jailed. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-25/anonymous-hackers-jailed-for-paypal-attack/4483552
There are vested interests at work in Misplaced Pages, articles are being vandalised by members of Anonymous and also possibly Skeptics. Most articles about the Church of Scientology in Misplaced Pages violate the agreement in that they are a soap box for the paranoid theories of neofascists. Why neofascists? Because they do not allow another point of view.
In the Talk Scientology as a Business, you might note that I caught out Andrewman327 he said there was "no consensus" for the edits that I had made, yet he was the only other editor active beside myself at that point - page stats were spiking dramatically every time I made an edit, so I could only conclude that he was discussing it in another forum which is proof of what I said in the preceding paragraph. Here's the relevant section:
"There was no consensus for the non-neutral edits that you made so I reverted them. Janet Reitman addresses the connection between Dianetics and Scientology in her book, so I added a bridge sentence to address that concern. I can expand it if you'd like. I have not seen any reliable sources that indicate Hubbard living anything close to a "frugal lifestyle". In fact, several sources I've seen indicate that he had a private ship staffed by "Sea Org" members before he moved into hiding on his private ranch. More to the point, this article is about the business practices of Scientology, it is not an essay for a comparative religions class. If you would like to create Scientology compared to other religions, you are free to do so. Andrew327 08:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC) When you say "there was no consensus for the non-neutral edits that you made" (your edits of course being neutral), and I notice visitor stats spiking, are you discussing this article in another forum, perhaps Anonymous?"
And I noticed you deleted the reference to the Secret Gospel of Mark article from the OT VIII article, this reference of purported comments has no external validity but the Secret Gospel of Mark controversy is real and it is what is purportedly being quoted. Did you actually read that or did you just reactively revert the article?Drg55 (talk) 23:15, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, we will try this again. Stating "wikipedia could be sued" in an edit summary is a legal threat. This is against policy. You can be blocked for making this threat just one time. I am assuming good faith in that you didn't realize that statement was against policy and I was just informing you of the policy itself so you don't accidentally get in way over your head in wikipedia administrative proceedings. NORMALLY I would have already reported this to the administrative notice board and you would be explaining to them why you broke the policy, I didn't because I recognize you are a new user and probably didn't understand what you did. Do you understand that making legal threats is against policy?Coffeepusher (talk) 05:33, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- I really need you to understand that your edit summary, along with the statement "In 1998 the Church of Scientology sued an organisation called Cult Awareness Network and got full possession of all its assets. That is a matter of history. Furthermore Anonymous is coming under increasing legal attack by Governments and their members are being jailed." makes it very hard for me to not report this. Please change your behavior and let me know that you understand and will follow the policy.Coffeepusher (talk) 05:52, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- It appears that you have made a habit of making off hand comments regarding legal action when you are involved in a content dispute "This article is supposed to neutral and not libelous". Do you recognize that this behavior is against wikipedia policy and do you plan to avoid any future violations of this policy?Coffeepusher (talk) 15:13, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
You seem to have a fairly thin skin, you can give criticism but not take it. You are trying to create a red herring, lets stick to the subject, what is to be in the article.
The last time I was involved in a dispute with editors who persistently deleted material to promote their own POV, it was me who was trying to get in Archaeological evidence, against a religious point of view. This went on for months against editors persistently deleting material that didn't fit their line. But in the final result I reorganised the Ten Commandments, Critical Historical Analysis Section, largely from a sub editing point of view, which still remains today. You will note that another editor made a positive comment about me.
But lets just have a look at your OT 8 edit, what is the purpose of that quote, except to create bad feeling. It wouldn't get published in a newspaper because you don't have original documents. It would be a legal problem for a newspaper - now I'm just telling you that in terms of standards of writing. We want Misplaced Pages to be professional standard but this is pure prejudice. You want to quote some half truth because it suits your prejudice. It has nothing to do with OT 8 which is one of the higher levels in Scientology and deals with being exterior to the body. Now if Hubbard actually said that his source would have been the Secret Gospel of Mark, which is a controversy about homo-erotic material on Jesus found in a Monastery and is so accurate from all the tools of Biblical and linguistic analysis, that the only criticism that can be made of it is it is too perfect and lacking the small errors in all old manuscripts. By the way, Hubbard is also purported to have said that Jesus didn't actually exist, I have a book by a leading theologian, Bart Ehrman, on that topic titled: "Did Jesus Exist". And finally there is the quote I put in, one of many actual quotes, this time from a book with a page number where Hubbard made admiring comments about Christ. Which is it to be? You choose the least accurate and the most shocking one. It could only be from a desire to create prejudice. I will play ball with you if you will play ball with me, this ought to be deleted, but it could remain if the other two positions and explanatory comments. I'll have another go at that and see if we can get a consensus on it.Drg55 (talk) 16:11, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Response from Andrewman327
Because I have been mentioned by name, I would like to respond. Assume Good Faith is one of the foundational rules of Misplaced Pages. I have not discussed any article off-wiki and it is common for viewcount to increase as people notice new updates to their watchlists after edits are made. I pride myself on my edit history and dislike being accused of conspiring with a group of hackers. No personal attacks is another very important rule of Misplaced Pages. If you would like to know if something is appropriate or not, consider visiting the Misplaced Pages Teahouse for advice. There are plenty of editors willing to help you, but we have a limited amount of time to volunteer to Misplaced Pages, and if you continue your pattern of making damaging contributions to the project, you will have to deal with scrutiny from administrators. Andrew 06:53, 10 February 2013 (UTC)