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Copyright and language issues
I may need some input at User talk:Rajanaicker#Language problems if you can spare the time. If anything there is unclear then please let me know & I will try to explain better. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 07:03, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- I specifically linked to the homepage of Tamil Wikiipedia. This definitely looks like it will be challenging. Please don't feel like you have to sort everything out. There are a lot of editors in Category:User ta (i.e., those who claim to speak Tamil to one degree or another. I have no idea how many of them are active, but probably some are. You could also ask at WT:INB and ask if there's a Tamil speaker who could drop a note regarding copyright and also try to find out if the person can speak English well enough to contribute here. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:24, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Things have deteriorated. On User talk:Rajanaicker it was already clear that there were difficulties and that became more clear several hours ago when they responded to my remark about Sodabottle. But it has not stopped there. I enquired of Ganeshk, who put me in touch with Sundar. That user posted a reply here and, to be frank, it looks to me as if the shit has now hit the fan. This guy had problems on ta-WP and I have already identified huge problems with their contributions to en-WP. How do we move forward, aware as I am of systemic bias etc? What is abundantly clear is that the user cannot adequately comprehend the English language, but it seems also that they cannot abide by the (probably less strict) native language ta-WP policies etc. Effectively, this is a competence issue on quite a major scale. - Sitush (talk) 00:19, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- This is not at all suprising--I can't pinpoint it exactly, but something a day or two ago made me suspect that this was a user who'd been either blocked or otherwise frustrated at another project. As for what we should do--stop killing yourself trying to fix this. I don't see any way that you could help this person without suddenly learning Tamil...and even then, it would probably be impossible, because, as Ganeshk says, it looks like they've got a fundamental misunderstanding and/or disagreement with policy. Part of the problem with systemic bias is that it cannot be overcome entirely, or only with very special "tools" (in this case, bilingualism). We don't counter systemic bias, as you know, by accepting poorer sources for those victims of the bias. Moreover, it's not your responsibility to have to clean up after another editor who doesn't know English or our policies well enough to contribute here. At any point, you can absolutely just step away and say, "You know what, there's just nothing I can do here." I'm going to leave another note to the user now on two specifics. I'm not going to issue a WP:COMPETENCE block myself, but this can be raised at WP:ANI. Right now is not the time to do so, because he hasn't edited main space since you (finally) got him to stop. Maybe he has realized that he's not capable of doing this himself, and so is willing to let it lie. But we'll see. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- Just seen this, having just reverted them again due to OR/synth. I'll back off and hope that they do not reinsert copyvios again. I am nonetheless convinced in my own mind that at least one/possibly two of their created articles should not exist, and another should not be more than a single sentence in length. - Sitush (talk) 09:31, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, that's not quite what I meant. Keep reverting an OR, synth, or unsourced additions he makes to mainspace. Basically, at this point, he either needs to step up to the plate (we've tried explaining the policies and the need for English competence) or we need to establish that he either is unable or unwilling to follow our rules. If he edit wars, that's a problem. If we explain and he can't understand, ultimately that's pushing into his problem. Which are the specific articles that worry you? Qwyrxian (talk) 10:08, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- Just seen this, having just reverted them again due to OR/synth. I'll back off and hope that they do not reinsert copyvios again. I am nonetheless convinced in my own mind that at least one/possibly two of their created articles should not exist, and another should not be more than a single sentence in length. - Sitush (talk) 09:31, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- This is not at all suprising--I can't pinpoint it exactly, but something a day or two ago made me suspect that this was a user who'd been either blocked or otherwise frustrated at another project. As for what we should do--stop killing yourself trying to fix this. I don't see any way that you could help this person without suddenly learning Tamil...and even then, it would probably be impossible, because, as Ganeshk says, it looks like they've got a fundamental misunderstanding and/or disagreement with policy. Part of the problem with systemic bias is that it cannot be overcome entirely, or only with very special "tools" (in this case, bilingualism). We don't counter systemic bias, as you know, by accepting poorer sources for those victims of the bias. Moreover, it's not your responsibility to have to clean up after another editor who doesn't know English or our policies well enough to contribute here. At any point, you can absolutely just step away and say, "You know what, there's just nothing I can do here." I'm going to leave another note to the user now on two specifics. I'm not going to issue a WP:COMPETENCE block myself, but this can be raised at WP:ANI. Right now is not the time to do so, because he hasn't edited main space since you (finally) got him to stop. Maybe he has realized that he's not capable of doing this himself, and so is willing to let it lie. But we'll see. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- Things have deteriorated. On User talk:Rajanaicker it was already clear that there were difficulties and that became more clear several hours ago when they responded to my remark about Sodabottle. But it has not stopped there. I enquired of Ganeshk, who put me in touch with Sundar. That user posted a reply here and, to be frank, it looks to me as if the shit has now hit the fan. This guy had problems on ta-WP and I have already identified huge problems with their contributions to en-WP. How do we move forward, aware as I am of systemic bias etc? What is abundantly clear is that the user cannot adequately comprehend the English language, but it seems also that they cannot abide by the (probably less strict) native language ta-WP policies etc. Effectively, this is a competence issue on quite a major scale. - Sitush (talk) 00:19, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- Rajakambalam_Nayakar - should be a single sentence stub or a redirect to Thottiya Naicker, which I can source. Yes, source is snippet view but there are 47 of them all repeating exactly the same definition from some government report - I can ask at RX for the full page on one of them. See this. Problem is, Thottiya Naicker (aka Thottiya Nayakar]]) might also be Thuluva Vellalar - I cannot make sense of what the contributor is saying. Tbh, with just the one repetitive definition being bandied about, I would prefer to delete the damn thing for now.
- List_of_Nayakar - there is no way that this list can ever have a meaningful focus because the Nayak (title) is used so widely, but this particular contributor is attempting to confine the list to their own community by dint of WP:OR and synth.
- List of Kambalathu Nayakars - this is subset of the above, and despite the apparent sources it is entirely OR/synth - Sitush (talk) 10:30, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- Alright, I'll take a look tomorrow-ish. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:34, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- You've already taken care of the first one, and I just boldly redirected the other two to Nayak (title) because they lacked any sort of verification. Let's see what happens. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:43, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Please give life to this talk and suggestion
http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Dravidian_peoples#Genetic_anthropology_section_needs_updating Have a good time.Nirjhara (talk) 12:34, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- I am involved in that article in only a minimal way--as an administrator, and reverting just the most obvious OR. I need to remain independent of the content dispute as 1) I have no interest or knowledge in it, and 2) in order to continue to act in an administrative capacity. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:25, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Hyderabad
I saw a reply put up by Omer123hussain, which said "mostly you would have given this reason in begging." I thought this was some sort of personal attack and a bad faith comment, and it meant to say that I go round Misplaced Pages, nagging editors to do my bidding submissively. Do you think so? Or is there any other way to interpret it? Thanks. X.One 13:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- Omer's English certainly isn't perfect...I'd personally be willing to let it slide because, even if it was in bad faith, it's about the mildest "insult" (and definitely not a personal attack) I can think of. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:33, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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Alice0000
Thanks for the heads up. I did not realize how much I was removing. I left user talk:Alice0000 an apology (for what it's worth). Cheers! Jim1138 (talk) 08:15, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. I actually edit conflicted with you on her talk page. I think part of the problem is that a number of people were leaving her templated messages, but very few people have been actually giving handwritten explanations. Yes, she wrongly acted out by removing the Afd, requesting protection, even "warning" other users. But I see a frustrated new user who just is lost with what's happening. I hope your message and mine will help make the process more "humane" and actually get her talking rather than being WP:POINTy. If she repeats the disruption, I will block her, because we have to protect the 'pedia. But if we can stop the problem w/o blocking, that will be much better. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:18, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- Also left a request on Misplaced Pages:Huggle/Feedback requesting that a AfD revert give an option to only revert the template removal. I think I was confused as Alice about what was going on. Jim1138 (talk) 08:25, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- Just so you know, I left her a handwritten message here a while before you posted, but she blanked her talk page...not sure she even read it. :( Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:12, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- Also left a request on Misplaced Pages:Huggle/Feedback requesting that a AfD revert give an option to only revert the template removal. I think I was confused as Alice about what was going on. Jim1138 (talk) 08:25, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Corey Smith (artist)
If noy copyvio, then is it a copy paste issue? The core of the article is lifted from the users bio written by someone else. If the article does pass AfD, this issue still remains.--UnQuébécois (talk) 12:03, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- Let's see what happens after the AfD. Again, a copy and paste can actually be fine. For example, I'm sure that many many websites have exactly the same information as found in our Clint Eastwood filmography, because it's basic facts about what movies he's been in, directed, etc. If those are the artworks that she is famous for, then they should all be listed, and there is no logical order other than chronological, and you can't change the name of art shows/pieces. As long as she is notable, then the list is appropriate, in my opinion. As to whether or not she is notable, I am declining to look or check, because I don't want to become involved in the content itself. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not talking about the list of shows or exhibits, but the lede section it's self, It's almost verbatim from the artists online biography. --UnQuébécois (talk) 13:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't realize it was the lead that was the concern. I've rewritten it a bit, enough that I think it is no longer "close paraphrasing". The one sentence about currently held positions is still a little close, but I can't think of any way to change it that would still make sense and not just be change for change's sake. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not talking about the list of shows or exhibits, but the lede section it's self, It's almost verbatim from the artists online biography. --UnQuébécois (talk) 13:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
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Kali (Punjabi music)
I've tagged Kali (Punjabi music) for speedy deletion, please have a look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TariButtar (talk • contribs)
- Well, it definitely didn't qualify for speedy deletion. Your reason (no references) is never a reason for speedy deletion--such an article would have to be prodded or taken to AfD. Furthermore, there is no category for speedy deletion that covers genres/styles of music. You may want to review WP:CSD, which lists the very limited set of circumstances that articles can be speedy deleted in. I see that another editor redirected the article, which is fine, though the target is a bit odd. But, I'll let interested editors take care of the issue. I did a little cleanup on Manak's article since I was there. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Jan Lokpal Bill
Hi,
This is in connection with one of your edit to remove paragraph from this page Jan Lokpal Bill I have compiled that data in-conjunction with adequate references and resources.
Please also take in notice from resource http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org/lokpal.html which I haven't mentioned it before.
I will try revised version of same paragraph again.
Thank you for your efforts to bring light on contests of this page and propelling forward to make it perfect.
Randombytes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randombytes (talk • contribs) 12:02, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Randombytes. First, that link you have above definitely doesn't qualify as a reliable source; you may want to review the reliable sources guideline. Also, if you do find sources, be sure that you add the information neutrally. For example, a Misplaced Pages article can never say, "This law is necessary because of X, Y, and Z." It could, possibly, include a statement that said, "Person X believes the law is necessary because...", but only if you have a reliable source, and Person X is important enough with reference to that topic that their opinion belongs in the article. There's no firm rules on that (though WP:UNDUE is the governing policy), so sometimes it takes discussions between editors to figure out whose opinion is worth including. In any event, though, the bulk of the article should not be such opinions, but, rather, factual statements about the law, attempts to pass it or squelch it, etc. Let me know if you have any questions. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:24, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
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Lisa Dewey
Hi. I noticed you deleted the Lisa Dewey article. Per the AfD the consensus was narrow, if at all. Looks to me like the level of sourcing was appropriate to meet notability. Can we restore the page without Deletion Review? Thanks for your help! Beefalo (talk) 22:14, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
- Like I said there, though the issue was close, I read a narrow consensus in the discussion that the sources included did not rise to the level of "significant coverage". Furthermore, the only keep !vote contained a number of false arguments which are not grounded in policy. I do think it possible the person will become notable in the future if he gets more coverage, but as of right now there isn't quite enough per the consensus on those sources, so I must decline. As I mentioned, though, anyone who wants a userfied copy is welcome to have one. I also have no problem if you take it to DRV--I'm still relatively new at closing AfDs (maybe 30 or so thus far), so I don't at all mind a review of my analysis. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:29, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delayed response. I think I'll hold off on a deletion review, as I agree, there was narrow consensus for deletion. Though I disagree with the outcome. Userfying might be a good idea, though I think I'll leave that to someone else. Thanks. Beef out. (talk) 14:40, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Inhabited places
See this. Bearing in mind Pmdrive1086's nuking of of MKY's stuff about 10 months ago, where do we draw the line? I mean, honestly, there were/are people on my tiddler of a street comprising 28 houses who have had more "mentions", and we have our own postcode, too! - Sitush (talk) 00:40, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you
Dear Qwyrxian, I noticed a comment you posted on the Possible topic ban violation thread at AN/I, which I only stumbled on when I noticed the word 'block' on the watchlist (I was being nosey in all honesty) In your comment you invited the review of others, to which I innocently left a suggestion for you to mull over in regards to re-issuing the topic ban on a specific user. I'm aware that AN/I is a busy place, so felt it best to make you aware that I left a comment for you on there, in case you missed it on the watchlist. Have a good day - regards Wesley☀Mouse 03:06, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, I saw the suggestion; yours is a reasonable one, though I can think of a half dozen other ways to consider further sanctions. Hopefully others will also comment so we can see what a broader range of people think. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:19, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Wiki bullying
Can you look at the Alan Forsyth page I found a link to a page that gives a second verification to the gold medal win and had it took down. I had already explained this on AFD Alan Fosyth but the editors ignored this and my summary statements and posted misinformation. The strategy seems to be to discredit the page to get their own way. Yaloe (talk) 06:49, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, the initial removal was my mistake; I'll fix it now. Note, though, that this is largely wasted effort, because neither of those awards even slightly imply notability, and I'd wager that it is almost certain that the page will be deleted in a few days. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Revdel
I think that we need a revdel for the most recent message on Talk:Rajput - Sitush (talk) 11:53, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- MikeLynch did it while I was reading it. And yes, it definitely needed to go. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:58, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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Dealing with a dead source
Zeenews is an entirely online news resource - no print version etc. Rajnath Singh uses it extensively, with the details being "Rajnath Singh: Profile". Zee News.. Alas, no date is mentioned and the link is dead. It is also dead at Wayback.
I have searched Zeenews extensively and cannot find the article among the 2600+ headlined results for "rajnath singh" or numerous variants. I've even tried searching on the name given for his father and that returns no result at all.
It bothers me because some of the statements attributed to the article just seem to be a "too much information" situation: that one profile should contain all of that is pretty unusual in my experience of Zeenews coverage. Do you have any thoughts regarding how I can progress this? I could ask for alternate sources on the article talk page but my guess is that I'll be ignored or shouted at, on the basis that it is already sourced. - Sitush (talk) 13:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
- I've some ideas, but I want to look at it in detail; I'll either get to it in about 4 hours, or I'll have to leave it for about 2 days. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
- Not a rush job. It is sourced, albeit I have some doubts. - Sitush (talk) 00:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
New Article
I was going to search for Joseph Marinaccio and noticed that the page was deleted so before I created it (I believe I have a number of sources) I wanted to run it by here.
(Cards1477 (talk) 00:38, 2 March 2012 (UTC))
- First, take a look at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Joseph Marinaccio. This contains the previous discussion that found the subject to be non-notable and thus led to the article's deletion. Don't pay too much attention to the Keep votes, because they seem to have primarily come from one or more people gathered off-wiki to promote the subject without actually understanding how Misplaced Pages works. The key thing is that you need multiple, independent, reliable sources that discuss the person in detail. The second thing I recommend is to first create the article in a Sandbox in your user space--this is a temporary holding place where you can build the article first before bringing it into mainspace. Once you have what you think is a legitimate article, I'd be happy to review it and let you know if it seems to overcome the problems of the previous article (admins can see copies of deleted articles in most cases). Then, if you have met the previous concerns, we can move the article into mainspace. If you don't meet the concerns, though, it will be deleted nearly immediately under ]. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:10, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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Brian Lamb
Hi there Qwyrxian, thanks for your perspective on my Brian Lamb draft earlier this week; there seemed to be consensus for some of your Personal life suggestions, and I edited my draft accordingly, with a follow-up. Since then, however, the discussion hasn't progressed any further. Would you mind looking again and, if you think it's ready, do a histmerge? WWB Too (talk) 13:52, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
- Qwyrxian, are you around? Sorry for continually bothering you about things like this. :( Silverseren 23:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
- I was busy, then sick for the past few days. I'm going to try to catch up on my watchlist today; I'll probably get to this tomorrow. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- All done! Qwyrxian (talk) 07:36, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- I was busy, then sick for the past few days. I'm going to try to catch up on my watchlist today; I'll probably get to this tomorrow. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- Hey, thank you very much! And I agree, sorry to bother: I think you're the only admin currently involved at Paid Editor Help, and I'm very glad you are. Of course I'd like to see other admins get involved involved; not fair to you or (perhaps) me for there to be just one gatekeeper on big overhauls. I've actually added one more request w/r/t an error I introduced late, but I'll bug Silver about it as well. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 14:59, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Possible_topic_ban_violation
You closed this discussion at ANI, but I think you forgot that the current year is 2012. Could you correct your close? Armbrust, B.Ed. about my edits? 08:40, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing it out; I changed it in the archive since it was gone by the time I got back. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:49, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
About User talk:Trevguy
You recently left a block warning for this person. He just created a new bogus article, see his talk page. Thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 12:57, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for notifying me. I've blocked xyr for a week, and tagged the page for speedy deletion. If xe starts up again after the week, let me know--the next block is indefinite. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:54, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
New Article User:Cards1477/Joseph Marinaccio
I finished creating this article and wanted to run it by here because it had been deleted in the past. I believe it does meet the notability requirments and I found sufficient sources.
(Cards1477 (talk) 20:58, 4 March 2012 (UTC))
- None of those are both reliable sources and independent. TrueKnowledge and Therichest.org copy their info from Misplaced Pages. Crunchbase is a user edited wiki. PRlog are press releases, which means it's content created by the subject, and thus not independent (and only reliable for a very minimal amount of info). The slamcontent and blog.apprmaker are, of course, not independent. Thus, this version does not in any way address the problems of the deletion discussion, nor does is verify that the subject is notable. Could Marinaccio be notable in the future? MAybe. But until xe's covered in detail in multiple, independent RS, he cannot have an article here. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:02, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
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Ron Paul comments in Codex Alimentarius article
On the Codex Alimentarius talk page, you state that "The Ron Paul comments are WP:UNDUE" and that "Paul is not a recognized authority on the subject, he is not directly involved in major legislation related to it, and thus his opinion simply isn't important. As such, it violates WP:NPOV to include the comments here." I find this to be an interesting argument, as it clearly runs contrary to the approach on other WP alt-med related articles. To take but one example, in the Alternative Medicine article, we find the anti-alt med opinions of an Australian comedian, Tim Minchin, being quoted. Many people have tried to remove these comments, quoting essentially the same grounds as yourself, but without success. I'd therefore be interested in your thoughts on this.Vitaminman (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- Well, the Codex isn't alt-medicine. That is, it's a mainstream, widely recognized advisory board that is listen to by many governments. That being said, I would also question the inclusion of Tim Minchin's opinion on almost anything, unless the article had a dedicated pop culture section (which some people like, and others don't). Alternatively, if Minchin had done regular, widely recognized fundraising or support for or against some form of alternative medicine, that might be okay (like how we have lists of "famous vegetarians").
- If you think the info is being included inappropriately, I recommend following dispute resolution. In this case, it sounds like a post on WP:NPOVN may be the best bet, since WP:UNDUE is a part of WP:NPOV. I regret that I cannot get involved, as I've got too many issues on my plate already. But if you need help setting up the DR (like an RfC or the like), let me know. And, of course, if you think I'm wrong on the Codex, I can help you set up DR there, too. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:07, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- Many thanks for these comments, very helpful indeed. Re. the Codex, whilst it's not alt med per se, it is a major alt med issue. Re. Tim Minchin's opinion on alt med, I think I'll begin by making an edit and citing the same grounds as you did for the Ron Paul removal. I'll also make an appropriate entry on the talk page. If this fails, which it probably will, I'll follow the approach you outline above. Meantime, thanks again.Vitaminman (talk) 18:32, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Except Royal College Colombo other schools do not hold a Royal Charter or consent according to Cossde
Check this link ] according to en.wikipedia.org/User:Cossde Royal College Colombo is the only school that has Royal charter or consent to use Royal prefix in Sri Lanka (Masu7 (talk) 10:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC))
- Okay, if that's true, to add to the Royal College Colombo article, it 1) needs a source, and 2) needs to be written differently. You can't put two different sets of parenthesis next to each other. Finally, even if all of that were fixed, I think it's probably not important enough for the lead, and definitely not important enough for the first sentence. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:54, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Please. Stop adding the claim that Royal College Colombo is the only college that can "officially" use the word "Royal" in Sri Lanka until you have a reliable secondary source that verifies this claim. Period. This is a disputed point (obviously, by the simple fact that other colleges have the word and the government has never tried to stop them). So you need a rock solid source, and even then we'll have to phrase in terms of "Source X has argued that ..." But until you have that source, it cannot be in the article, per WP:V. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:14, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
It was the user super accurate Cossde who had mentioned about this on Royal College Colombo article . In fact he dominates or all users and wants to have only one school that uses "Royal" prefix in wikipedia (saying it is only Royal College Colombo who is entitled and got the consent to use the Royal prefix by Royal charter without absolutely no references at all. Infact this user may be thinking that Royal College Colombo although situated in Colombo Sri Lanka is located in United Kingdom.
His prestigious bullying attempts can be clearly seen on Cinnamon Gardens article as well and attempts to avoid Thurstan College Colombo being added.(Masu7 (talk) 02:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)).
- That's exactly my point: we cannot use Cossde's word as evidence that these are not royal colleges. We go by what sources say. Now, at the momemnt, I'm not watching those other articles...and I don't really want to get involved in another massive dispute (as this appears to be)...but I will consider it. Let me ask a very first question: what do the universities call themselves? What's on their websites, their official brochures, their tax forms, etc.? Qwyrxian (talk) 03:10, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- I checked the first one, and I have moved it, and provided an explanation. I didn't realize the extent of the problem (i.e., intentionally using non-English names when policy requires that we use English ones if they exist), and deliberately ignoring what the sources say, is not acceptable, and bugs me enough that I'll get involved. I've moved just one for now; I want to wait at least a few days and see if there is a response, then I'll start moving the rest (I may be busy though, so it may take a fair span of time). Qwyrxian (talk) 03:21, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Glad to see at least one administrator is alive and understands the simple point that I am making (this is in no way I am blaming wiki administrators - I just want to make my point). All details are on web sites and the references that are addded. Any one who can read English could understand my point. I recon that the user ] to be banned from editing due to his unfair domination on other Sri Lankan schools just blindly trying to undermine the quality of other schools for example Nalanda College, Colombo and all other Royal Colleges in Sri Lanka. Check the comments on Cossde Talk Page ]. If the administrators can't monitor and see what the user Cossde is doing any one could think that they are blind and playing double standards.(Masu7 (talk) 04:27, 8 March 2012 (UTC)).
Cossde - Show the world your entitlement and consent to use Royal prefix to your Royal College Colombo before claiming that other schools that use Royal prefix do not have entitlement and consent by Royal charter to be called Royal. You also always try to sling mud at Nalanda College Colombo. Do you think that the students from Nalanda College Colombo do not have the entitlement or consent to talk and write English by Royal charter ?. I also have clearly seen your desperate attempts to avoid Thurstan College Colombo being added to Cinnamon Gardens page. Shame on you Royal College Colombo. Do you think that you own Misplaced Pages ? Check your page ratings at the bottom too.(Masu7 (talk) 04:41, 8 March 2012 (UTC)).
- As much as Cossde is wrong on the naming issue, I also don't want to help someone like yourself who is attacking other editors. Stop it. If you can deal with the issue civilly and per our dispute resolution policies. If you cannot, thank you for alerting me to it and I will take it from here. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:21, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Lot of thanks.
- Hi Qwyrxian,thanks for moving British Lingua to proper name,actually I wanted that,but it was twice deleted,was not possible to create it again,and I had no mood to ask the administrator to reopen the page,so I created with a bit new title.I appreciate your move.Cheers.Justice007 (talk) 13:21, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- You're welcome. However, I can't recommend the approach you took; it actually falls under disruptive editing. Recreating a page under a different name to avoid a page lock is simply not allowed, and will likely get you blocked. Instead, create the page in a sandbox in your userspace, then when it's done, ask an admin to move it over. Or you could even use Articles for Creation, where it will automatically be reviewed over time. So, glad that it worked out in this case, but please don't do that again in the future. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- Acctually the said article was created first by someone else not by me,and was speedy deleted because of WP:Copyvio and WP:Advertisements,I wanted to remove the content which was also under WP:NPOV,but got no chance.The present article I created with new name and with NPOV.Thanks for letting me know about disruptive editing,I think I have to read it again?.Cheers.Justice007 (talk) 22:23, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
a gentle ping re Talk:Sanatan Sanstha
Hey, Qwyrxian, just a gentle reminder about the progressing discussion at Talk:Sanatan Sanstha, which has also now spread to my sandbox. Apologies if you're still following it and I'm just being impatient; I just wanted to double check. I've created a draft of the proposed changes to the section in question in said sandbox, but I think more eyes on it would be useful, especially since some of the sources seem dubious, and this is not my area of expertise. If you get a chance, could you take a look at it and let us know what you think? Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:11, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reminder--I had forgot, in fact. I should likely have time to respond today, though since it's a more involved task I'll need to leave it until later (maybe 6 or 12 hours). If I can't get to it in detail, I'll at least leave a note. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:30, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- No worries, whatever you have time for (even if that's nothing!) :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:31, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Royal College Panadura
Hi, Qwyrxian, would appreciate your input on my suggestion on the talk page. Cossde (talk) 13:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
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Cossde (talk) 15:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
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Cossde (talk) 10:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Hyderabad
Hi. As you would have noticed in the talk page, the entire lot of articles pulled into the "Telangana" fray seem to suggest that it would be better discussed in WP:GEOG. Don't you think the discussion should be closed, the matter taken there and put up clearly so that many more editors, including those who are experienced in Geography related discussions, can comment? I see this one turning a bit hostile between the two editors, should it go further. And the other cities, including those from outside India, have been cited as examples, and though a violation of WP:OSE, lead me to believe that this would go smoother if it were discussed elsewhere. Regards. Secret of success (talk) 13:40, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, absolutely. One discussion is much better than ten. It's odd: it seems abundantly clear to me that the push to include it is being done entirely for off-Wiki POV pushing purposes...but it may well be that the inclusion is actually "right" in a Misplaced Pages sense, too. Do you think we should try to forcefully close the discussions (i.e., just collapse them), or instead ask nicely if we can move them? Qwyrxian (talk) 23:05, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
- Lets use that "do not modify" template and close it. Carrying the plague certainly won't do. The matter has to be clearly laid out on the appropriate noticeboard, I'll do that, and this one, just forgotten about. Off-wiki POV's don't matter here, do they? I'm not sure whether we need the consent of the editors to close it, though. Think you might know better. Secret of success (talk) 09:22, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Avoiding Interaction
I have chosen to not have any further interaction with Hengistmate and have deleted all such interactions from my talk page. Alas, this also removed your answer to him. You may wish to re-post it on his talk page. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
COPS
Thank you for stepping in on the COPS page. Very much appreciated. NECRAT 06:07, 13 March 2012 (UTC)