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User:Collectonian/talkheader

Return of DV?

Hey there. I reported this on WP:AIV, but just wanted to leave a message with you. It looks like Okapi7 is another sock of the Disney Vandal, as seen by the number of edits on The Rescuers (an old fave) and 'reviving' the character pages that have previously been deleted. I tried to revert as much as I could... And when I went to Okapi7's page, I noticed a whole bunch of other warnings issued. Just wondering what else I can do to get them blocked. Thanks. Cactusjump (talk) 00:41, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep, that's him. Looks like he found an old sock to use. Checking the rest of his edits. Hopefully blocked soon. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I tried to do my best to revert, but still learning. Appreciate your help. Cactusjump (talk) 00:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

No prob. CSDed all the things he created. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure if my DV radar is working. Evondral‎ (talk · contribs) seemed like a resurrected sock and was blocked per my report, but he was later unblocked. What's your take? —Erik (talk • contrib) 21:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Looking at his contribs, particularly the earlier ones, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. His newer edits don't really send up any warning flags for me. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 22:01, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Help?

Hi! Is there a way to fix User:A Nobody/awards so that on User talk:A Nobody's header is more consistent with your talk page? Something just doesn't look right with mine. Any help is appreciated. And again, good job on rescuing that film article; we could always use help rescuing others at Misplaced Pages:Article Rescue Squadron. Sincerely, --A Nobody 00:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Mine is using a table within the div. You might want to try updating yours to do the same. If it is still running past the page width, I'd add in a row break around the Ron Obvious listing (though if intend to continue doing having your list alphabetically, you'll have to move that around when anything is added above it). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll give it a whirl, wish me luck! But forgive my ignorance, how do I make a row break? Best, --A Nobody 02:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

In a table, have a line with |- :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I think I have it (feel free to check!). Anyway, thank you for your time and help! Have a nice night! Sincerely, --A Nobody 03:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep, looks like its wrapping fine now :) Have a good night. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Fantastic! Thanks again! If you would like, you can add a little life preserver to your page for Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Skeptic (film). Sincerley, --A Nobody 03:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem and thanks :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I have updated it for you. Best, --A Nobody 05:40, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Its appreciated, but I don't keep those there, as I don't consider it rescuing. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Sincerely, --A Nobody 18:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

CCS Cards

If you would please be so kind to explain your reasoning behind the deletion of a very useful page that gave important depth to the cards themselves? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.12.133.192 (talk) 05:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

It was deleted by community consensus in an AfD as is clearly visible. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Quick question

Only admins can have check-user, right? Leave a message back at my talk page. Thanks, Old Al (talk) 20:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Correct, and only under special conditions (not all admins have it). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 21:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that's slightly inaccurate. CheckUser is a flag, like Sysop. It's given to a select few users. All Arbs have checkuser powers, I believe; not admins. We have around 1.600 admins at the time of writing and only 33 Arbs (I think) not including Wikimedia staff. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think being an arb is the prerequisite for checkuser, not adminship. Hope this helps. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR _{talk // contribs} 21:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

True on it being a flag. I don't think you necessarily have to be in ArbCom, though most who do have it either are or are former members. Non Arb-members can request permission, usually through the ArbCom list or discussion with specific Arbitrators (there are currently 8 or so non-ArbCom members with CheckUser). ArbCom does decide who gets approved, though. Also, anyone wanting it must establish their real identity with the Foundation. :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 21:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Interesting... Has there ever been a non-admin checkuser? ɳOCTURNEɳOIR _{talk // contribs} 22:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Good question...I'd suspect not, but no idea how to find out :P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 22:19, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

We Were There (manga)

Hi, I noticed your recent edits to the article and would like to ask where this copyrighted material would have come from. All I've found are mirrors and references to this article. — Jan Hofmann (talk) 18:43, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

ANN, Multiply, blogs, and various fansub sites. Copy/pasted from all over. Better to just start fresh. Some that wasn't copyvio, was pure OR and inappropriate. I've added back in a redone character section (totally spoiled the story for myself *cry*). A redone plot section would be even better, but hopefully that helps fill it out more for now. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 18:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

MASH AfDs

please consider that A), the LoE already covers all of these, and I edited a number of the more pithy LoE summaries to avoid cliffhangers and 'watch it and see' attitudes, as well as humor and informality. B)the article titles in many many cases are highly improbably search terms (Titles of episodes were not displayed on the episodes, except apparently the finale), so redirects would be fairly useless. ThuranX (talk) 04:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Good lordy...couldn't this have been done as a group nom? I didn't know that about the titles (never really watched it myself beyond snippets while flipping channels)...will rethink some of my views. Meanwhile, any change those episode lists can be fixed to properly use the normal episode format? :P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

And thank you for reinforcing my reversion of the attempts to move all the screenshots over to the LoE. I know that's been shut down repeatedly before, and have argued against it on some of the AfDs, but I can't move fast enough to get replies in to the cut n pasting of the multiple editors now editing the AfDs. ThuranX (talk) 04:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

No, it couldn't. I've never seen a TV based mass deletion nomination go anywheres but hell in a handbasket. I'd hoped that by spending my nights for a month examining each episode, I'd demonstrate diligence on this, but now I'm being attacked for NOT mass nomming it, by the very inclusionist types who burn all the mass noms(you're not the only one whose mentioned that I should have mass nom'd). it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If you look back a couple days on AfD, you'll find another editor also looked over my efforts and could find no sources, but that's not helping me today. ThuranX (talk) 04:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Trust me, I totally hear you on the dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. Same folks tend to say "should have done a merge discussion first", but then when you do its, "OMG don't you dare merge!" while other editors who are ready to improve an article get annoyed that you are forcing the merge discussion to go on for a month so no one can say there wasn't enough time for comments. *sigh* If you get a minute, can you check Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Television and make sure I got them all in there? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:45, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

go back to 12 may, for more. I think you missed those. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to withdraw them all, the TV project never deletes anything, and now that they're involved, it's over. No ppoint, it's the hivemind of inclusionism. ThuranX (talk) 04:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Please do not do that. The TV project actually DOES delete things, and are frequently the most vocal advocates of getting rid of episode articles like this (I wouldn't be a member of it if it were like that). WP:AGF and let the process work. Grab a cup of tea (or I prefer a nibble of chocolate) and try not let the bad faith accusations of RAN get you too upset. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm logging out. I can't handle this. he's revising HIS comments AFTER I reply to make my replies look like I' m some kind of asshole. I can't take this. I'm either going to lose my patience entirely and then get banned or i'm gonna fling my computer. THis is bad faith in the extreme. If i could calm down long enough i'd take it to AN/I. i can't. Please stop him. ~!`~~

Oh good lord...pointing to his own essay and trying to claim it trumps "Other stuff exists"? That's so stupid...-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

He did it everywhere. look at his contribs... hes doing this over and over and not stopping. closing my laptop now. This isn't fair at all. I'm being as civil as I can be and he's playing this nonsense? redacting his comments and acting like i'm the one doing wrong? ThuranX (talk) 05:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I think walking away from the computer would be a good thing for now. This is obviously stressing you a lot, and its starting to show in your edits. There seems to be an AN/I thread about you a the moment, an dI'd hate for you to lose your tmeper to the point that you get blocked. I agree RAN is acting in some inappropriate fashions and I will note so there. For now, again, I urge you to get away from the site for awhile and let yourself calm down some so you can continue to maintain a cool, civil head rather than letting others provoke you into doing saying you'll regret later. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

End of yarn again

I'm now convinced that End of Yarn was faking the Quark review: they've done it again. If you want to reopen the issue at ANI, I'll be happy to comment in support. In any case I thought I'd make sure you were informed. Diderot's dreams (talk) 05:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I was almost expecting that. I'm not sure that he's technically doing anything wrong, though, as he hasn't passed it, only claimed he was doing a review (even if its a bad one). It might not be an ANI issue yet, though might be worth noting at the main GA talk page so other GA reviewers keep an eye on him. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

My mistaken edit on Aria (manga)

Excuse me for deleting the external link to the official site. The link had the same general format as another external link that was spam. I didn't recognize, in the link you restored, that the word "Nozomi" was a company name. Piano non troppo (talk) 07:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Nozomi/Right Stuf is one of several US licensors of anime (with Right Stuf also being the name of their store). I think its important when doing link clean ups like that that you visit the link itself to see what it has and check the article for context. The lead clearly notes it is licensed by Right Stuf, and the site does indicate its ownership of the English version. Spam clean up is, of course, a worthy thing to do, just please make sure links being removed are actually spam. :-)-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:38, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Yah. It was a mistake on my part. I actually did visit the other link I mentioned that had a similar format -- I thought both were links to artist's home pages. I confess I'm a little leery of checking other external links in an article, once I've chanced across one that is completely non-English and illegible to me. It was only a couple weeks ago one of those tried to install a virus on my computer. Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 20:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that would generally make on leary! Glad it didn't work. For anime/manga topics, at the last, if you aren't sure feel free to pop me a note or ask at the project. We tend to be very good about removing bad links when we find them. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 20:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

You can also drop me a line; if I happen to be around (otherwise Collectonian would probably beat me to the punch ;P ), I'll look for you as well. 「ダイノガイ千？！」 03:00, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for The Skeptic (film)

On May 16, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Skeptic (film), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Paxse (talk) 06:00, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Help with Gryffinclaw

I know what's Gryffinclaw (talk · contribs)'s deal is, but he kept changing spellings on articles relating to Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch despite official spellings already established in official merchandise and the English-language manga and never backs up his edits. I've left him a message about him, but he insists on his own edits and always reverses my edits. I need your help or back-up on dealing with this guy. Thank you. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

P. S.: I decided not to revert his latest edits, which was minutes ago, because doing so now borders on violating WP:3RR. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Reverting is fine as it is basically vandalism - introducing deliberate factual errors after being made well aware that he is acting inappropriately. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 07:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

This is what he left on my talk page to justify his edits:

"Manga and Anime are 2 different things, you need to stop confusing the 2 as one, what is used in the Manga does not automatically mean it must be used in the Anime. At the end of the Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch Manga, Mikeru's Clan comes for him, however, that part is not in the Anime, because Anime and Manga are 2 Different things, the name Mikeru is used at the end of the Manga, i have not read some parts of the manga but like in other manga's the name Mikeru would be mentioned the manga. The company translating the Manga changed the name to Michel, but the company that translated the Manga does not own the Anime, therefore the names they have changed to do not apply in the Anime. www.boukenshin.net is a fan made website, as Bignole also mentioned to me, information on fanmade websites is not useable, unless it is backed with solid evidence that the name Michel is used in the Anime, however, if you look on the following link you will see that the names used in the anime are as I said. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2289 please get your facts right, your Manga facts are right, but only for the Manga, however for the Anime you are wrong and inserting unnessesory information."

What can you say about this? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

He is still in the wrong. We use the official English names from the primary work. They are the same basic media. If the English versions of secondary works use a different spelling from the primary work, this is noted in one line in the character list, but that's it. For consistency, all the articles use one set of names. Also, ANN's encyclopedia is not RS. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 07:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

BTW, he even blanked all previous messages on his talk page except the welcome message. I don't know why, but I think he doesn't want to be reminded further. (I was supposed to post this immediately after the message, but the edit conflict came up.) - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

He has started again, BTW. Can we report him for disruptive editing? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:53, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I've left him a 3RR warning for his reverting on List of Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch characters. If he reverts either again, he can be reported for blocking. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 08:00, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

If you have hard proof that the edits you make are used in the Anime too then you can keep the names as they are, but editing the Anime section with names from the manga is un-professional, why don't you create a manga section for said series and use the manga used names there. Oh, and i blanked my page because you deleted all the posts regarding this matter that i posted onto your page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gryffinclaw (talk • contribs) 07:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Again, we use the official English names of the primary work, as noted above. It is not unprofessional, it is Misplaced Pages's consensus based guidelines. In this series, the manga is the primary work, so its English spellings are used in all the articles except where there is none (such as anime only characters). I explained this to you on your talk page as well. You are being disruptive and edit warring. If you continue, you will likely be blocked from editing all together. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 08:00, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

It is unprofessional, I am a professional CIW Webpage Design qulified. I know that if the need to use certain information arises then one needs to create a page for it, the Anime section is not for the Manga, from my point of view, it's like have identical twins and calling both with one name. it takes away indvidual rights, the manga has the right to use the english names, however the anime has the right to use the japanese names because the anime has not been dubbed into english as of yet therefore the english names are not yet to be used in the anime. --Gryffinclaw (talk) 08:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

So what? I'm a professional web application developer, but that has nothing to do with anything. Misplaced Pages has its own guidelines, which have already been been pointed out to you repeatedly. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 08:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

@Gryffinclaw

You want 2 characters lists then ? One for the manga with Official English name and one for the Anime adaptation with Japanese names ? I doubt you will get much support for that.

Now the one list case: What are your argument(s) to have Japanese names superseding the Manga official English names ? --KrebMarkt 08:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you don't know how much confusion and hurt it is causing young children that are fans of the series to see something different written down and hear something else. when teaching young children to write we teach them through sound. i'm also a school teacher and i'm fed-up of you lot making children cry. The Anime should stay as the anime stop inserting manga data into it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gryffinclaw (talk • contribs) 08:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)