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-- Djinn112 00:28, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)

I just noticed that you've been here since November '03; if this is a repeat greeting or none of the info above is anything new to you, sorry for the redundancy. -- Djinn112 05:53, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)

System of facts and opinions

On your userpage, you write about the idea of a system of facts and opinions that shows the logical reasoning behind each step. I thought you might like to know that there's a similar idea that's already been implemented here. This isn't quite the same thing that you were thinking of, but it's a step in that direction. Unfortunately, much of it is pointless silliness, but it's still an interesting experiment. Cheers! --Mr. Billion 21:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Dispute resolution for Virtual Inheritance (object-oriented programming)

Just wanted to let you know (from your comment on discussion page) I added some recommended changes and put in the articulation for the semantics of Virtual Inheritance.

Please feel free to review. I'll be removing the 'dispute' status (as per your recommendation) in a few days.

I still have to add the class Figure/Square/Circle/Triangle examples. Will add some good concise references after I update the examples.

Thanks much ahead of time.

Shawnk --Shawn wiki 15:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Moller

Moller advances that FAA certification date by one year every year, and has been doing it since 2003. It's always two years in the future. He's been doing that for a very long time. See , where he claimed he was going to have FAA certification by June 30, 1976. That's right, in 1974, 32 years ago, FAA approval was two years in the future. --John Nagle 20:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Request for edit summary

When editing an article on Misplaced Pages there is a small field labeled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this:

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Filling in the edit summary field greatly helps your fellow contributors in understanding what you changed, so please always fill in the edit summary field, especially for big edits or when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you. – Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Salut, salut, dom'le. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Web Cartoonist's Choice Awards

I noticed your comment on bogdan's talk page. Perhaps it's more logical to discuss the issue with the person who closed the AfD? (Or start the process of deletion review) V 01:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I came over here to say the same thing. :) -- Ben 01:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The Schlock thread

Hi! I’m sorry I haven’t replied earlier, but when I posted the URL to my talk page in that thread, the blog software appended a full stop, so your reply went to a page that I didn’t watch. Regarding Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ursa Major Awards, I think the ‘I hate furries’ comment was definitely outside of what is considered acceptable here and in no way a sound rationale, but—without being able to look at the deleted article—I find the evidence for the notability of the awards, as presented in the debate, very weak. Based on the debate, I would tend to agree with deleting the article. The deletion process is based on good reasons, not democracy, and apparently the nominator was right in that there was no evidence of importance; in fact, I can’t find any, either. With my hypothetical decision on this in mind, I would not find it necessary to keep an article whose only claim of notability was by the awards, but, conversely, an article that mentioned the awards but would remain notable and verifiable even if the mention was removed should be kept with the mention.

Regarding your suggestion to ‘resurrect’ the awards article, I would do it if I had enough sources with which to write it. At the moment, I have none. —xyzzy_n 21:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

John Michael Botean

I hope you don’t mind, but I looked at your contributions and noticed your comment at Talk:John Michael Botean. Can you please clarify whether the permission was granted for use on Misplaced Pages or for use by everybody and whether it included releasing the material under the GFDL? Unless the permission was to release the content under the GFDL for use by anybody, we cannot keep the content on Misplaced Pages. —xyzzy_n 21:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

My objection is that you haven’t actually said what the permission was. Can you please quote it on the article’s talk page? It must permit releasing the text, including the parts which you did not write, under the GFDL. This is not clear from what you posted on the talk page so far. Releasing only your modifications to the original text under the GFDL is not enough.

By the way, when starting a new section on a talk page, please put it at the bottom (unless there is a good reason to do otherwise) or just use the ‘+’ link next to the ‘edit this page’ link, which does that automatically. —xyzzy_n 23:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Gone, looked. Since they don’t mention any permission on the website and you don’t want to provide the necessary details, shall I just tag the article as {{copyvio}} and be done with it?

I’m not in the habit of contacting the copyright holder for a work that has been copied into a Misplaced Pages article. Either whoever copied the material (in this case, you) already has obtained permission and can post the statement of permission somewhere for others to check (which you don’t seem to want to do) or there is no (sufficient) permission (to publish the content anywhere under the GFDL) and it gets deleted. Either way, there is no reason for me to go bother somebody else.

Note that I’m doing this even-handedly. That means I treat a copy of a church website as seriously as a copy of an AP report. And in either case, I won’t wait until 2010 to have the copyright status clarified. —xyzzy_n 03:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I have no reason to ask. For what it’s worth, it would have been better to find some good sources and write the article from scratch.

As for procedure, no, I’m not following any guidelines; I am loosely following the policy Misplaced Pages:Copyrights. (Loosely because I didn’t tag the article as a violation right away although I suspected that the permission you obtained was insufficient.) I do understand the matter well enough not to need a step-by-step manual. You should have been following Misplaced Pages:Requesting copyright permission, but I’m not so much interested in those formalities.

I asked a fairly simple question. You’re evading it. Unless you provide a direct answer, I see no reason to continue this discussion here. —xyzzy_n 03:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

You have not actually said what the permission was. Now following process. —xyzzy_n 04:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Deletion/tagging

You have expressed an interest in the practice of putting up for deletion articles that needed to be tagged instead. You are therefore cordially invited to contribute to, review, clarify, and/or discuss a working draft on my userspace of a policy that needs to be clarified on Misplaced Pages, User:Balancer/Wikpedia:Deletion_is_not_a_substitute_for_tagging. Balancer 18:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

shotguns

I can appreciate your question, and I suggest that a neutral compromise is to use the literal definition as written in Miller, and as written the Firearms Act, 'shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches'. That way there is no ambiguity of definition, and no risk of POV push. BruceHallman 17:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I still disagree. First, you say 'pretty much like', but 'pretty much like' is a form of original research and is not the same as 'is'. Much more neutral to just use the exact wording found in Miller ruling than to stretch the facts. The Miller article mentions the 'military use' extensively. Also, Cases v. United States establishes the military use of trench guns, so what is the big deal of your complaint? Also, the Miller decision had four points, and the legal standing does not just hinge "make or break" on the one point you are focusing upon. BruceHallman 04:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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You wrote: "The difference between the conclusion of the Court and the physical history and real military use of those weapons means that there's grounds for reversal there."

Obivously, this is your opinion, not the court's, or they would have reversed already. The article should be about what is actual per WP:ATT. Not about your opinion WP:NOR.

You wrote: "That the Court got the facts so wrong in *the* seminal 2nd amendment case for modern jurisprudence is noteworthy "

They did not get the 'facts wrong'. They simply said:

"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia ".

You are leaping to a fallacious logical conclusion that if evidence of historical military use was presented they would have ruled differently. This is a huge logical leap. They could easily have ruled that trench guns do not help preserve the modern militia. Your logic is contrived: That the court would protect private unregistered weapons simply because of any possibility of military use? By your logic you read Miller to say the courts would strike down regulations on bazookas, stinger missiles and nuclear bombs if presented evidence of a military use.

In truth, I expect that after the 1903 Military Act, the court acknowledged the obvious. The militia at this time is the National Guard and is not the militia of 1789. The National Guard does not as a 'reasonable relationship' ever again expect to ask recruits (called up from the unorganized militia) to bring their own weapons to military service, nor even for recruits to come 'self trained' in the modern arts of war.

Be reasonable, the 1789 militia you dream of is archaic and anachronistic, and it not the actual militia defined by the 1903 law. The Miller wording clearly says "...at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia"

The court has balanced a minuscule benefit of having citizens self-trained in trench gun use for trench warfare against the very real problem of gangsters and bootleggers having unregistered sawed off shotguns in crime. This is a normal and reasonable trade off while making a public policy decision. BruceHallman 18:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, but our dialog is not efficient if you do not respond and address my questions and concerns posed above. You have not addressed my concerns about avoiding original thought and original research, required per Misplaced Pages policy. Your claim of 'factual error' is not founded in the wording of Miller and fails the WP:ATT test. Your association between a gangster's sawed off shot gun and a military weapon known as a 'trench gun' appears to be not found in the wording of Miller and fails the WP:ATT test. Your invitation to explore the State codes about militia is interesting, but not really relevant to an article about the federal constitution, and a court case about a federal law. BruceHallman 17:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I did not see that any of those articles claimed that Jack Miller had a trench gun. If I am not mistaken, you are proposing to say that he did. What he did have was a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than 18 inches in length'. BruceHallman 16:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

You wrote: "Jack Miller's gun, as described by the Court, fits the category of improvised combat shotgun." Incorrect. It was not 'described by the Court' like this. The court did not say 'fits the category'. You are claiming something not found in Miller to make your partisan point.

You wrote: 'a mistake of fact'. Incorrect. What mistake of fact? The Court did not endure a mistake of fact. Read Miller again. They only describe an absence of evidence. The only 'mistake' was (viewed now in hindsight) in how the defense argued the case. From your perspective that is a shame, I can see, but, there was no mistake of fact. And absence of evidence is not the same as a mistake of fact.

And, even if the Court was presented evidence of military use of combat shotguns, there is no reason what-so-ever to now conclude that presentation of that evidence would have caused the Court to rule differently. How do you make such an assumption?

Bear in mind that the Court said "...at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia" I imagine that the court would have seen the statutory National Guard and Naval Militia as the well regulated militia at this time and observed the obvious. That the unorganized militia did not at this time reasonably need access to trench guns for preservation or efficiency. That is just my guess, which doesn't matter really, because my 'original research', like yours, should be omitted from the article.

I have asked you two questions today. On previous days, I have asked questions and raised issues which you refuse or neglect to answer. When you do not answer my questions, it makes for an inefficient conversation and makes it hard for me to 'assume good faith' about your actions. BruceHallman 00:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject Catholicism!

Hello, TMLutas, and welcome to Wikiproject Catholicism! Thank you for your generous offer to help contribute. I'm sure your input will be much appreciated. I hope you enjoy contributing here and being a Catholic Project Wikipedian! If you have any questions, feel free to discuss anything on the project talk page, or to leave a message on my own talk page. Please remember to sign all your comments, and be bold with your edits. Again, welcome, and happy editing! --Thw1309 14:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Arbour group

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I deleted this file at a time when it had almost no content, & had not been worked on for 2 days. I never delete articles like this except at least overnight--but some admins do. There's a handy template {{underconstruction}} The present article is substantial, and in my opinion should not be subject to speedy as empty (or as re-creation). It might have been better to wait until I had responded before re-creating it. I suggest a title that does not begin with FBI--I see no other WP titles in this format, perhaps Silverman FBI file. And I do not know if a separate article is warranted--please make sure there is not too much duplication of content. DGG (talk) 22:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Alger Hiss

This article seems to have reached an impasse concerning whether or not most scholars believe Hiss engaged in espionage for the Soviets. I think if fair minded people review the admittedly lengthy discussion on this issue it will help advance the issue, which is presently stumbling on claims that a "consensus" of Wiki users do not believe there is, in fact, a consensus amongst historians. I believe all parties concerned would welcome more participation in order to avoid senseless edit warring.Bdell555 05:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Hiss

re. . This is not bad English. Please undo your revert. Thanks. RedSpruce 19:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)