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			You may remember ], my ] as ]. ] was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with ] mentioned in story and music. --] (]) 12:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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			:Beautiful, ]. ] &#124; ] 21:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC).
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			:: Thank you! I made Leif Segerstam my ] story today. -] (]) 08:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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			:: ] is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his . - ] was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page ''now'' because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --] (]) 14:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
			:: Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world ]. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted ] in 2016. --] (]) 16:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
			==User:151.124.106.64==
	Awarded by {{u|DHeyward}}
			I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit ] - ] 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
			:Thanks, ], your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — ''not'' in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? ] &#124; ] 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
			::Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson ] - ] 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
			== Macrobiotic Diet ==
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			Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.
	] 24 June 2013]]
			Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".
	==only back==
	for a few things. i pretty much gave up on wiki. ] (]) 20:45, 11 October 2015 (UTC
			The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,
	I kinda feel that he is following me around. IMHO. Even nominated one of my articles for deletion out of nowhere. ] (]) 20:53, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
			all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.
	== Gabbygate ==
			You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.
	Hi. I noticed your comments on Gabby Merger's Talk page, so I thought I would also draw your attention to this discussion, starting from . Though I have frequently disagreed with Gabby in the past, she sought to draw me into her dispute with Jeppiz, continued the 'discussion' after I clearly indicated I was not interested in continuing, and then finished with a 'reminder' about my 'typical hasty arrogance', my "horrendous attitude", my "cold attitude" and how my "brain and biases won't allow" me to be 'nice' except "Maybe only with fellow anti-JWs, or anti-Bible types, and atheists perhaps". If you think any of my comments in the discussion were not appropriate, please let me know. This is not a specific request for admin action.--] (]) 14:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Thank you for the information. Your typical hasty arrogance? Hmm. I'll take a look. Gabby knows now, or should know, that she's not allowed to attack people. ] &#124; ] 14:19, 12 October 2015 (UTC).
	::If you get particularly bored, you could also review the discussion now archived at ] (and that's without the four time I had to prune it at the end).--] (]) 14:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::I'm fine, thanks — the recent stuff will do me. I have posted a final warning on Gabby's page. In an attempt to fix the <nowiki>{{hat}}</nowiki> business, I tried to add a <nowiki>{{hab}}</nowiki> to close the hat, but that only made everything worse, presumably because there are other hats on the page. Groan. I don't really feel like spending the best years of my life straightening it out, especially considering I don't even know what kind of hatting she was trying to achieve, and may merely disoblige her if I try to help. So now my final warning post is invisible on the page along with everything else ... I hope she reads it through the history. I suppose my kind talkpage stalkers wouldn't like to help? But please note I don't guarantee you'll get any thanks from the user. ] &#124; ] 15:11, 12 October 2015 (UTC).
	::::PS, John Carter took care of it. ] &#124; ] 19:42, 12 October 2015 (UTC).
	:::::Thanks. Yeah, there was one {{t|hat}} nested inside another. I think she saw a 'hatted' section on my Talk page and decided to do the same, but maybe didn't realise you have to {{t|hab}} them. I had some trouble following Gabby's reationale of deleting two large seemingly arbitrary blocks of discussion and then hatting other large chunks, but I shall leave that for her to sort out. After the recent rollercoaster of, essentially, 'I don't like you, but I want your opinion, and I still don't like you', I'm a bit worn out trying to work with her.--] (]) 08:56, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::::Oh, you shouldn't try. That's definitely my advice. I understand you may edit the same pages and their article talkpages, but if I were you I really wouldn't encourage her to come to your page any more, or post on hers. ] &#124; ] 09:08, 13 October 2015 (UTC).
	:::::::I've deliberately stayed out of any contact with the user for days, hoping it would lead to tensions cooling down. Unfortunately the user continues making their WP activity mostly about me by the discussion this afternoon at ]'s talk page. . Their continued posting at Jeffro77's talk page after Jeffo77 has told them repeatedly to stay away follows the same pattern. ] (]) 15:13, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::I know. I just warned her to leave him alone. ] &#124; ] 15:17, 13 October 2015 (UTC).
			Thank you. ] (]) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
	== Feedback ==
			:Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
	Hi Bish I was wondering if you could give me some feedback on my ANI report that I feel was not dealt with properly and was closed unfairly. I took alot of abuse on that ANI that I feel was wrong and unacceptable. I'm not asking you to comment on ANI, I'm asking for feedback on what you think and how you feel on it because I really do not understand it at all. Thank you. ] ] 18:15, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
			:If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
	:A thorough review of the history of that section, and the comments related to it elsewhere, would probably be reasonable if you are to do so. ] (]) 18:21, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
			:They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. ] (]) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
	::Bish is a trusted admin who is fair and does her job properly. You have no need to worry. BTW could you please stop following me around John and stop commenting on my ANI report? I do not like it. ] ] 18:38, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
			::You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does '''' mean in your opinion? Or ''''? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and ] you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing <nowiki>{{unblock|your reason here}}</nowiki> on your talkpage. ] &#124; ] 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
	:::I'm sorry, ], it's too complicated for me, and basically I agree with ] . ] &#124; ] 23:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC).
			:::Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
	::::Its ok Bish, I no longer care anymore. I feel like quitting for good. Thanks anyway. ] ] 23:18, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
			:::Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
	:::::I understand it's no fun, ]. I hope you cheer up in a bit. ] &#124; ] 08:03, 13 October 2015 (UTC).
			:::And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
	:::::: (watching:] ], read in the spirale of justice ], and don't expect it to change, certainly not in the ]. --] (]) 09:27, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
			:::"''It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024''"
	:::::::Well Bish its very hard to do that when the same crap from yesterday has continued in to today. And Gerda thanks for that link. It was interesting. ] ] 19:44, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
			:::They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
	:::::::: Which link? Or both? --] (]) 19:50, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
			:::Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
	:::::::: ps: for an educated cry you may quote ], --] (]) 19:54, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
			:::I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
	::::::::It was the first link Gerda. ] ] 20:01, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
			:::I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. ]
	::::::::: You may be interested in the DYK hook on the talk, which I kept on my talk. Every time I look at your talk, I think you look like that pictured person ;) - I have a cat instead - also crying out, --] (]) 20:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
			:::(]) 22:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
			::::If you really think so, {{u|Not a similar account name}}, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the ] noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the {{tq|'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'}}. ] &#124; ] 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
			:::::@] or even ] ] ] 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
			::@] There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. ] ] 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good ] that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. ] (]) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
			== Editing warring user ==
	For crying out loud: now we can use a ] also, and a ]. The cat returned. I made my appearance Jimbo's talk, with this
	{{User women}}
	--] (]) 09:06, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
			{{no ping|Iimitlessyou}} has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on ], to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.
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	|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thanks for steering me in the right direction re ]. ] (]) 14:34, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
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			* is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
	Neat barnstar! Thank you! ] &#124; ] 15:21, 13 October 2015 (UTC).
			* they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"
			At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: ]
	== Thank you ==
			*They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
	Thank you very much Bishonen. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 00:53, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
			*They reverted me a forth time for .
			I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.
	==Question for you==
	Bishonen, why would my revision to ] be reverted when the content is factual, reliably referenced and an improvement to the stub that previously existed? Other editors could improve upon those statements which could be more encyclopedic in tone while leaving a more informative article in place. Really appreciate your time and thoughts here. ] (]) 01:37, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
	:It's a lot to ask of other editors that they follow you around and tweak your additions on the page itself. And so, instead, they revert. I can understand that. I mean, you realize ''they'''re not being paid for their work. Like several other people, I've been urging you to follow best practice and propose changes on the talkpage, and then discuss them there. I haven't seen you respond to this suggestion, so I'll try to demonstrate with an example why the necessary discussion can't be carried out via edit summaries (and absolutely not via reverts back and forth); it needs to be hammered out on talk. {{parabr}}
	:Here's one point: it's not only a matter of style, but of proportion. In how great detail should facts and opinions be covered? As an example, I'm concerned about the section you called "International focus and art criticism". I don't doubt that Genocchio has said that his art evaluation process begins with his belief that “artwork can channel the spiritual, challenge the mind and stimulate the senses,” or that “making art is one of the final arenas where there’s true freedom of expression". He's said it in interviews, these are quotes. But should they be reported in his Misplaced Pages bio? Not in my opinion. Also, when you describe these views, you often do it as it were from inside Genocchio's head — "Genocchio’s art evaluation process begins with his belief that" — "When Genocchio critiques a work of art, he considers", etc. As opposed to "Genocchio has said that his art evaluation process begins with his belief that “artwork can channel the spiritual, challenge the mind and stimulate the senses,” "Genocchgio has decribed.." etc. The sources are reliable, for statements that Genocchio has made in them, but interviews in, say ''The Weekend Australian'', a lifestyle magazine, don't exactly tend to show the notability of such self-descriptions. In my opinion. I would remove the second and third paragraph in that section altogether. (As well as change the "meaningless-variation" artsy word "penned" in the first.) Please present your overhaul a section at a time on the talkpage. Also, it's better to put more general discussion on the talkpage too. I mean, you are absolutely welcome on my page, but the question you have asked me would actually go better on article talk. For more eyes. I think I'll go there now and put a link to our interchange. ] &#124; ] 08:46, 14 October 2015 (UTC).
	::Hi ]. I proposed a few updates to be made to the introductory paragraph of ]. One editor has replied with a very good alternate suggestion. What would the best next step be? Thanks so much. ] (]) 00:43, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::], BMK may not have realized you were asking for somebody else to make the changes. I suggest you ask him to please make the change he proposes — point out that you don't want to, because of COI — and also prompt him (and others) to assess your other suggestions. For the next time you propose changes: if you use the {{tlx|request edit}} template — click and take a look at it — people will know where they are from the start. Just paste <nowiki>{{Request edit}}</nowiki> above your request. Using the template will also add your request to the ], which is useful, because some editors patrol that category, and will be drawn to the page to assess your proposed edit. (So I'm told, at least.) ] &#124; ] 10:16, 18 October 2015 (UTC).
	:::: Thanks so much ]. BMK went ahead and made the edits as I believe you saw which is great. Last question for a while, I promise... Should I propose changes first and begin a discussion and then use the {{tlx|request edit}} you speak of above to request that the edit actually be made after a consensus has been reached on the talk page or do I use the template from the get-go? I think you are saying to use it when I propose a change right away but I'd just like to confirm. Thank you again in advance for helping me become a better contributor. ] (]) 23:57, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::: (May I? I've got Bishonen's talk page on my watch list.) If the article talk page is active, it's probably enough to just propose the changes there and leave it up to the regulars to discuss and decide. If there's little or no recent activity on the talk page, you might as well use <nowiki>{{request edit}}</nowiki> when you post your proposed changes. The point is to try to minimise your use of the volunteers who patrol the <nowiki>{{request edit}}</nowiki> category - they've got a lot on their plate and will likely be less familiar with the topic than the talk page regulars. --] (] · ] · ]) 00:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::::Thanks, ]. I think it's probably good for the regulars too if Penelope uses the template right away — then they'll see at a glance what it is. Also ] isn't a particularly lively page. A request doesn't become any more formal because you use the template, ] — it can be discussed afterwards. Once there's a consensus, you don't have to use any formalities to ask for your changes to be added; somebody who was part of the consensus will surely just add them. Consensus may be a bit of a highfalutin term for such a low-traffic page anyway — the changes will be added if there aren't any objections. Thanks for your help, ]. ] &#124; ] 09:57, 20 October 2015 (UTC).
	:::::::] and ] thank you for providing insight here. And thanks too, ] for your work. Much appreciated. ] (]) 00:16, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::No problem. I don't know how often I'll be around the article in the future, though. If you post something and get no response after a while, feel free to contact me on my talk page. ] (]) 00:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::], really hope you are doing well. What are the best next steps to take if no one responds to my ]? This is a pretty straightforward one too. Thank you! ] (]) 16:24, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::::Wow, the article isn't very well watched, I guess, ]. But you see BMK's offer just above — why not profit from it, and post on his page? Also, quite a few people watch ''this'' page, mine. Dear talkpage stalkers, would somebody like to help? Incidentally, Penelope, it may seem counterintuitive to abandon this thread, but the fact is, most people only look at the bottom of a page for new stuff. So the next time you have a question for me, it might be more effective to create a new section at the bottom. ] &#124; ] 18:52, 27 October 2015 (UTC).
	:::::::::::<small>Creating a new thread is more likely to happen when the old one is archived. Cluebot and Lowercase sigmabot are looking to earn their pay btw. &mdash;]''']''' 19:04, 27 October 2015 (UTC)</small>
	::::::::::::No bots ripping my beautiful page apart! No! I like a good long TOC. Which reminds me... time to reinstall the hardworking hamsters next to the TOC. ''They'' earn their pay! ] &#124; ] 19:26, 27 October 2015 (UTC).
	::::::::::::: I did indeed take ] up on his offer. I am sure he is quite busy. ] thanks again. Next time, you'll find me at the bottom of your page! ] (]) 20:27, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::: Entirely coincidentally, I made the change you suggested just moments ago. See the talk page. ] (]) 20:30, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::::::::: Thanks so much ]. ] (]) 00:39, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
			I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the ], and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.
	== ugghhh ==
			] (]) 03:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
	Hey Bish - how the hell ya doin? Miss talkin to ya. How's the kids? Little ankle biter still got those sharp teeth? How's the honorable monster? You talked to Floz? . he ok? I saw Giano poked his head in a while back - but I was so busy that I didn't talk to him myself. Anyway - just wanted to drop by and say hey. hugs. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 05:09, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Hi Cheddie! Florence is good in himself, just pissed off with Misplaced Pages. I'm thinking of sending the anklebiter to visit some editors I've been, uh, "interacting" with recently. Or Bishzilla, but she tends to be too mellow for my purposes these days. ] &#124; ] 12:47, 15 October 2015 (UTC).
			:Note I've taken this to the ] where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. ] (]) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
	==Discretionary sanctions alert==
			::Sorry, {{u|Zenomonoz}}, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. ] &#124; ] 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
	Hi Bishonen. I wonder: is ] being investigated on the same grounds?
			:::No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. ] (]) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
			== WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India ==
	I mean, I am denouncing harassment coming from this user only to I find that is me who is being investigated. All of a sudden editors appear on his support even using awkward statements and being so hasty, taking decisions in very little time, when the issue at stake is a complicated one. ] (]) 06:27, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
			Hi Bish,
	:The DSA is well-known to me. Actually, I considered myself to post it at your talkpage. I think you should familiarize yourself with Wiki-policies, instead of abusing terms like ]. ] -] 06:46, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
			Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at ].
	*Investigated? What makes you think you're being investigated? Perhaps you didn't notice the line at the top of my discretionary sanctions alert: ''This message ... does '''not''' imply any misconduct regarding your own contributions to date.'' Italics and bolding in the original. But what I see on your page ''after'' you got the alert forces me to warn you: the more you ], and the more you follow the lead of ], who I have just blocked for the personal attacks on your page, the more likely you are to be sanctioned, up to and including a ] or an ]. As for Joshua Jonathan, he's well aware of the discretionary sanctions in the area in question. Your talk, here and on ], of "harassment" by him is absurd. Please click on the policy links in this message, you will find them informative. ] &#124; ] 09:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC).
			So, the latest update in the case involves the Court ] until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by {{U|Valereee}}, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".
	::Hi! I didn´t mean harassment towards me myself but rather to the article at stake.
			Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?
	::"What makes you think you're being investigated?" This
	::As for ] commentaries I understand I cannot/should not erase them. Not even my own user talk page. ] (]) 10:51, 15 October 2015 (UTC)		I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! ] (]) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
			:I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps ''The Hindu'' will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. ] (]) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
	::#You protested, with reference to my discretionary sanctions alert, against being investigated. It turns out you're referring to a checkuser investigation (not performed by me) of your account, mentioned at a sockpuppet investigation that's nothing to do with me. Ask ] about the investigation of your account, if you want to ask somebody. The reason seems clear to me from the SPI, but if it's confusing to you, you should ask. I've no idea why you bring that here.
			:A little more: ''"''" ] (]) 14:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
	::#Only people are capable of being harassed, not objects such as articles. Look up the word, or, as Joshua Jonathan has already suggested, read the ].
	::#Your understanding about removing comments is mistaken. You may remove any posts you like from your own talkpage, see ]. But I haven't been blaming you for Dseer's comments, or suggesting you ought to remove them — have I? No, and I'm not now. I was warning you against following his lead. That was because you explicitly expressed appreciation of his words, with reference to a post that included the word "Nazi" (thrown at specific editors). He has been blocked for that post. I'm glad to hear you now sounding as if you've had second thoughts about throwing in your lot with Dseer. I'm sorry you got such poor advice from him; that wasn't your fault. ] &#124; ] 12:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC).
			== Administrator Elections: Discussion phase ==
	:::Whatever mate, whatever... ] (]) 14:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::? How old are you..? No, don't tell me, I don't really want to know. But why reply at all if that's the best you've got? Silence is golden. ] &#124; ] 14:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC).
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	::Obvious from this unproductive dialogue why I am retiring my user account after 10 years and why I warned Mauna about consequences. If we responded that way we would be sanctioned so it makes the point for me; thanks. Exactly why I abandon my account unapologetic and unmoved by being "lucky" there were not more severe sanctions for blowing the whistle. I knew the consequences going in. Silence here IS golden. Misplaced Pages is not considered a reliable source academically anyway. Goodbye. ] (]) 18:59, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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			The discussion phase of the October 2024 administrator elections is officially open. As a reminder, the schedule of the election is:
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	I noticed that you protected ], which seemed to have been after an IP address pinged you. I don't agree with your reasoning of it being because of sock puppetry. If that's the case then shouldn't there be a case to see if they're all sock puppets? ] 15:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
	:I came here to say the same thing. The discussion was hardly out of hand, and as far as I know there have been no specific allegations backed by evidence against anyone. We shouldn't forbid IP editors from contributing just because a topic is semi-controversial, especially on a relatively backwoods page that is specifically there for discussion of the subject. To put a finer point on it, there's not really anything to disrupt. —<B>]</B> <sup>]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">]</sub> 15:38, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
	::Sorry I've been taking a while to answer, but I had to think. There are some disruptive IPs, but I regret throwing out the baby (meaning {{IP|97.103.154.125}}) with the bathwater. I've unprotected. Thanks for your input. ] &#124; ] 19:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC).
	:::Thank you for responding and unprotecting the comments. ] 19:54, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
	==Tired of Harassment==
	{{hat|Deteriorating copyvio discussion. Open a new thread if you must. ] &#124; ] 07:10, 17 October 2015 (UTC).}}
	and are pure acts of vindictiveness and mean-spiritness. I will not joust with him. The fact that he even approaches me or has anything to do with my actions (under the guise of protecting the encyclopedia) is pure crap. As I say on my User page: "I don't vibrate at that frequency". ]<small>]</small> 06:18, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
	:. I think this is called stalking. I'm at a loss....! Why does he even care what I'm doing? ]<small>]</small> 06:29, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
	::I just noticed and . All Articles I created and I am still working on. If it were anyone besides Collect, else I could collaborate and work out the problem, if there is one. But this is ridiculous. I refuse to be a passenger on Collects "flights of fancy". I'd rather leave. ]<small>]</small> 07:50, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::Buster, I'm afraid Collect is right about ]. Nearly the whole paragraph "Education" is lifted word-for-word from the source. That's not "a brief quotation used in accordance with Misplaced Pages's ]", see ]. You have to rewrite that paragraph from scratch using your own words. Further, you have used very specific expressions from other sources in other places in the article, such as "modernist-leaning" and "whirlwind exhibition". Those ''are'' brief quotations, but they show such "substantial linguistic similarity in creative language" that you must credit them as direct quotes from the sources, with quotation marks and naming the source in the text, if you want to use them. Of course that would get pretty cumbersome, so it's better IMO to simply not use those "creative" expression. There are other similar issues wrt other sources, so please consider these things carefully when you rewrite the article, and stay away from the language of the sources. Good luck. {{parabr}}
	:::I also think Collect's note on ] is reasonable. Look at the similarities, where this extract is practically identical with text in the ''Marion Times'' article: {{tq|"Amongst his many murals was one of the more colorful in Iowa Farming, which he painted for the Cresco, Iowa post office in 1937. In it, he harkened back to his days in Marion and produced a scene depicting the farm and two generations of family that had lived there. It shows horses, cows, pigs, chickens, and family members performing chores as his mother reads a letter just delivered by the postal service."}} Also it's not attributed: you haven't given the newspaper article as a source. That needs to be put right, too. (I realize the newspaper may in its turn have been ripping off some other source, that you have cited. But whatever the source, ''somebody'' surely owns the copyright, and you can't use the text without rewriting it.) I know there's history between you and Collect, but no, I wouldn't call that stalking. The "User contributions" button is there for a reason. Once somebody has spotted a copyright violation, it's reasonable for them take a look at the author's other articles — because it may be suspected that the author is not well aware of how much text they're allowed to quote or semi-quote, and how it's supposed be attributed. P.S. I got an edit conflict, and haven't looked at your latest addition. But you can probably work it out yourself, considering what I have said about the rest. I have to go now. ] &#124; ] 07:59, 16 October 2015 (UTC).
	::::Was watching Stan and Ollie, and when I finished, you'd said what I was going to say, only nicer, and more comprehensively. -] (]) 08:05, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::I tried to finally create some article on a subject I enjoy. I may have made some errors but....Collect is a stalker and a trouble maker. You know it and I know it. I Quit. ]<small>]</small> 08:11, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::::Please take a break and come back refreshed, ]. You're a valuable editor, and I'm sure you know your contributions are appreciated. As for Stan and Ollie, ], it's certainly a concern if they hypnotize people so much they're unable to post here. ;-) There's an animated gif of ] (or possibly throwing up, it's a bit hard to tell); perhaps I should put that in the edit notice instead. I like to frighten people. ] &#124; ] 09:23, 16 October 2015 (UTC).
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	If there is any "stalking" it is shown by a vast array of posts on the ArbCom case against an editor whose last "interaction" was a vote on an RfA - which failed. I arrived at the pages here as a result of their connection to Philately - so any claim of "stalking" is not only silly, it is a personal affront. Cheers. ] (]) 19:34, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
	:<s>"Whirlwhind exhibition" is hardly a particularly unique phrasing -- here's an example from 1992. <small>]</small> 22:43, 16 October 2015 (UTC)</s>
	::Try looking at and tell me that an editor writing almost an entire article from an uncited article is proper ... or that such turns of phrase as "His parents, Fred and Hattie, ''were pioneer farmers at the turn of the century'' and Richard began sketching scenes of cows and the countryside as a child. ", and "''Amongst these is one of the most colorful of murals in Iowa, which he painted for the Cresco Post Office in 1937. In it, he harkened back to his days in Marion and produced a scene depicting the farm and two generations of family that had lived there. It shows a joyous site of horses, cows, pigs, and chickens, as family members perform chores and his mother reads a letter just delivered by the postal service.''" etc. would strike you as normal edits on Misplaced Pages where the same wording is found in a source ... Cheers. ] (]) 22:56, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
	:*], I explained the situation and the policy to Buster, who I'm sure will understand it when he's less upset. How about you, did you look at the texts and the sources in question (easy to find for an experienced editor if he takes the time), and do you genuinely disagree with me? Or do you just genuinely think trollish nitpicking is helpful? Collect, I agree with you, and you needn't rise to purely silly comments. I'm going to close this thread now. ] &#124; ] 07:10, 17 October 2015 (UTC).
	::*I did not look at the texts and I do not disagree with you -- based on prior interaction, if you said it was a copyvio, the probability that you're correct is sufficiently high I don't consider it a good use of my time to independently evaluate the situation; if I disagreed with your viewpoint, I'd state so explicitly and I'd be much more likely to being discussing it on the article talk page than here. It was merely meant as an observation on language, nothing more. <small>]</small> 14:07, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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	Hello, Bish. Would you mind taking care of {{user2|Arsalan Kiani}}? It's an obvious sock of someone, making unsourced edits promoting Punjabi on multiple articles related to Pakistan, and pasting lots of totally frivolous warnings on my user page in retalation for being reverted, clearly showing that they're not a new user (I don't know who the master is yet, though, since there are several masters doing similar things). They have received up to and including a level-4 for unsourced POV, and have been reported to AIV, but nothing has happened there for a while. ] ] 09:31, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
	:At first I'd have said NAB, but then I thought Kmrhistory, then I got confused...&mdash;]''']''' 09:43, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
	::I'm leaning toward {{U|LanguageXpert}}. ] ] 09:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::LX is Punjabi dialects, a bit different, if {{U|Materialscientist}} is online now he'd probably be able to pick the tells of Kmr. &mdash;]''']''' 09:49, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::I've taken care of AK for now. I'll take a look later. The editing is so, hm, special, that it ought to be possible to relate it to a master. , for example. Have either of you guys seen your suspects doing anything like that? And Space, could you ask Materialscientist, please? I'm on my way out. ] &#124; ] 09:54, 16 October 2015 (UTC).
	:::::Arsalan Kiani edits through Opera Mini, which is a kind of proxy, thus CU data are inconclusive. Kmrhistory didn't use Opera Mini (in the past). ] (]) 10:12, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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	*On second thoughts, why worry about whose sock he is, when he's so eminently ] under his own steam? I've amended the block accordingly. And now I ''am'' going out. ] &#124; ] 10:29, 16 October 2015 (UTC).
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	First , and then . I think that you will find each enjoyable in its way. -- ] (]) 22:52, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
	:LOL, the first was great with my Saturday breakfast — where's my Beluga, though? And who's the "Seal" character referred to, besides being a well-known expert on the international hospitality industry? ]? As for our article, how could you have the heart to remove the entire elegance of an enchanting past? (As you and I know, sometimes it just feels good to have a block button.) Were you tempted to add the ''Guardian'' feature as a reference? Seriously, it's perfectly informative. It could replace , for instance. ] &#124; ] 07:47, 17 October 2015 (UTC).
	Perhaps "Seal", whoever he or she is, is to international hospitality what Paris Hilton . &para; I know, I know, I removed from the article all that was beautiful. This gave me the sads; perhaps I'll recover and, as you suggest, replace crap sources with good ones. -- ] (]) 13:21, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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	Hi Bishonen. I just wan't to apologize for putting a problem in your plate, but this IP (who's hard to track since he/she keeps changing IP addresses) there is a dispute between me an the IP in the article of ] as seen in the , the IP didn't agree with me at first, and he was right, but now that I point out to a given source by the IP that the new edit doesn't have anything in regards to a misleading data (something about a 40% data), he thinks I'm morphing the source to my POV and posted a complain . I tried looking for third parties, but none respond. (] (]) 00:35, 17 October 2015 (UTC))
	:Never mind, it's all good now.... Pretend this doesn't exist.. like it's invisible. (] (]) 03:32, 17 October 2015 (UTC))
	::OK. See also the top of this page: I'm not doing ANI at this time. ] &#124; ] 06:56, 17 October 2015 (UTC).
	:::I never said anything about getting involved in the ANI, just a third party. But like I said, pretend this doesn't exist... please... sorry.. bye. (] (]) 08:18, 17 October 2015 (UTC))
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	In Dec of 2014, Editor Carptrash and I created ] and started to fill it with info and images (when available). While creating the list and doing research, etc. we realized that we were by-passing a lot of interesting information that might come in handy for future articles about the muralists. So, later that same month we created ] and ] and used them as a file drawer of sorts for names and information and sources and whatever was interesting. Most of it was via cut-n-paste in a random, quick, rather loose system of fact gathering from varied sources. Over time I created about 7-8 articles using one of the two Lists as my starting point. Just the other day I decided to start creating more muralist articles and made a personal vow to do one a day.
	'''I regretfully admit that I should have been more careful and concerned to paraphrase and use my own words'''. But I was eager to create content. I kind of knew I was stretching the copyright issue and plagiarism but I figured the articles were about remote individuals; they would be “out of the way” , unseen, and I could get them into namespace and edit them as time allowed. I didn't expect much traffic (if any) at the articles so I thought I would create them, with what I had, and I could fine tune them later.
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	And then, behold, surprise of all surprises, an old nemesis shows up and dis-credits my content creation. I won’t get into the long history that he and I have but I challenge any editor to compare our general history everywhere on WP. Compare our talk pages over the last 6-7 years. See how many complaints come my way compared to his. I stay out of trouble: he searches it out.
	Somewhere, twice, you say that he was right. O! How it pains me to admit that that may be correct, technically. But, what could have been a warm cuddly moment of olive branch entwining and a future of peaceful co-existence was sacrificed for a never-before seen and rarely used template; used against a veteran editor of long and exemplary service to the encyclopedia and the WP community. That would be me. I won’t stay retired. I love WP too much. Also, my wife has started to add jobs to the honey-do list now that I have extra hours in the day. ]<small>]</small> 14:28, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
	:I'm glad you find yourself drawn (and pushed, by your wife) back, ]. As you probably recollect, I'm aware of the long history, and I hope I've been supportive when that was called for. But I won't play favorites, and I don't think Collect did anything improper in this context. Best regards to Buster3.5. ] &#124; ] 15:02, 17 October 2015 (UTC).
	::Being named a ] here I think I will weigh in. My guidelines are, if I cut-and-paste then I just use quotes and reference where it came from. One thing I am always trying to do with articles is to use a variety of sources anyway, so I don't view this as being a problem. We need those articles so don't despair. ] (]) 15:32, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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	Can you do me a favour and correct the move from ] to ]. It was a copy paste rather than a proper move and the edit history was lost.] (]) 09:35, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Sure, a little later today, after I've been to get the groceries. It'll involve the dreaded ], since there has been a little further editing at the new location, so I need to gird up my loins first. ] &#124; ] 09:49, 19 October 2015 (UTC).
	::Never to get in the way of a good loin gird - no rush. The speedy deletion of the new article was declined because of the article history and if further action is to be taken the history will be important.] (]) 09:56, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::I don't seem to remember this trick very well.. I made a bit of a meal of it, and misspelled the name in several ways. But finally the history goes back to 2010. Now let's take a look at the talkpage… ] &#124; ] 11:09, 19 October 2015 (UTC).
	::::I was watching the change. I have had days like that too - thanks for the effort.] (]) 11:12, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::I don't seem able to stop the talkpage redirecting to itself. It's funny in a way, but not... a good thing. Talkpage stalkers please help!! ] &#124; ] 11:16, 19 October 2015 (UTC).
	::::::Sorry, now we're both doing it — I'll stop! I'll leave it completely to you. Just let me know if you need some version deleted. ] &#124; ] 11:25, 19 October 2015 (UTC).
	:::::::Yes I should have left it alone. In any case the talk page is not that important. Let me deal with that and I will send you any deletion requests.] (]) 11:27, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
	*I'm on mobile so won't do tool stuff but you have to undelete oakLey and move to oakey (talk pages).&mdash;]''']''' 11:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
	::Good job - it all looks good. Thanks.] (]) 11:41, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::{{ec}} I will not. I've lost my nerve. And I thought that was what I did before? Oh well, one more time on the roundabouts, it's not as if I've got any more face to lose. Why do they give the admin tools to these fumblers? ] &#124; ] 11:46, 19 October 2015 (UTC).
	::::::Look at the history of ]. It so happened that {{U|Abecedare}} and I came across the same set of disruptive moves at around the same time and edit-conflicted in moving this article back and in the process deleted the article and its entire history and made it a redirect to itself. Luckily {{U|Bgwhite}} or his bot figured it out and got me to fix it. Talk pages are ok to mess with after that. &mdash;]''']''' 13:16, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
	::I am sorry I put you through that. I would suggest deleting ] to tie everything into a pretty knot. A little latter today I will start concentrating on the article. Thanks again.] (]) 12:00, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
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	] demonstrates what appears to be specific and ''deliberate plagiarism'' - using a Washington Post source in the first place, grabbing more than 150 words from it, and then not citing it at all. is the initial edit. There is a pattern here - but I was perfectly happy to be cordial ''until'' the editor then accused me of "plagiarism" for quoting his post about being a sleuth seeking information about me personally, as though it were the same problem as this plagiarism (far worse than a mere copyright violation) of taking a source, quoting it extensively, and then not citing it whatsoever. With warm regards, and noting you will see others also note that using 150+ words from a source which you used in the first place, and then did not cite as required by Misplaced Pages policies and US law is a major problem for an editor. ] (]) 13:19, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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	:Yes, is the initial edit of the article while it was under construction @ User:Buster7/Paul Arlt. Yes, it was a direct copy and paste from the Washington Post Obit which I then chiseled down during construction. It was a starting point. Yes, its quite possible I may have inadvertently used some few of the many thousands of words available in the Obit and then forgot to state it as a reference. ]<small>]</small> 14:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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	::In fact, though, you quite specifically ''removed all mention of your primary source''. I believe that is the essence of the offence. At this point, I am becoming unwilling to accept "accident" or "inadvertently" or "some few" words where your edit summary was simply "''copy edit''." The more I look, the worse the offence appears. ] (]) 15:10, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::I suggest you stop looking. You see a devil behind every tree. My mistake is how I construct articles. My method creates pitfalls that I tumble into. ]<small>]</small> 15:27, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::Then I suggest you no longer ''routinely delete the actual source'' you use - especially when you simply ''lift entire colorful sentences''. I think you might not appreciate just how important the issue of plagiarism is to Misplaced Pages. Copyright is not an area which tolerates accidental "pitfalls" nor do I "see a devil behind every tree." Your problem is that your area of editing overlapped an incidental area I looked at - nothing more. But when you shout that "he is out to get me" it is also possible that you created your own "pitfall". If we wish to retain editors, we should also be an example for them. Warm regards. ] (]) 15:46, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::Collect, you've made your point. The plagiarism/copyvio issues are real and it was appropriate to bring them to attention, but the way you're going about it is petty, mean-spirited, and distasteful, and smacks of using the issue as leverage to bludgeon someone you dislike. Bishonen told you the same thing in the last thread you opened here, although she used nicer language. You're even doing your typical thing where you , an unproductive habit which has gotten you in trouble in the past. If you identify copyvio or plagiarism issues, then you can either edit the article directly to remove them, or bring them to another editor's attention. If you think there is a deeper issue with Buster7's editing, then you can raise it in the appropriate venues, for example ] (if you believe it requires immediate administrative attention). Otherwise, let people with less of an axe to grind handle the issue. The copyvios need to be fixed, but this whole exercise on your part has a very distasteful and vindictive feel to it. ''']'''&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 16:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::Amazing. I note I have found plagiarism by ''others'' as well. You might have had half a point had I not found other plagiarism/copyright violations, but as it is, you appear to be much more interested in following my edits than I have ever been in following yours. Am I on your watchlist perchance? And I fins your characterization of my varied posts as "aspersions" to be an aspersion in itself. Cheers. ] (]) 17:18, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::Well, I find your description of my description of your aspersions as an aspersion to be a third-order aspersion! What a productive thought process. But to be clear, you're not on my "watchlist" and I literally have no idea what you've been up to since your most recent bout of ArbCom sanctions. You posted to Bishonen's talkpage, which ''is'' on my watchlist, and I responded. (In contrast, I don't believe for a moment that you just ''happened'' upon Buster7's edits, but it's not really important either way). Fix the problem, or ask someone else to do it, but at this point you're just being gratuitously mean-spirited. ''']'''&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 17:25, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::I'm a first-order aspersion...the mere presence of MONGO casts a very dark shadow. Other editors usually recoil in disgust when MONGO appears. Everyone better play nice or BISHZILLA is probably going to open up a giant can of whoop ass! --] 22:24, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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	Hey there! Please protect the Power Rangers Dino Charge pages from this persistant vandilism from a person who keeps changing IP's. I understand you've already banned one of him (and he's been banned for this before), so it should be easily justifiable. Cheers! Also, he has a new IP. {{IPvandal|174.236.98.199}} and {{IPvandal|174.236.97.134}} He keeps cycling through IP's. He also is responsible for this dubious activity. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=686779403 . Thank you for protecting the main page, though please do ] as well! It's much appreciated. Cheers! ] (]) 07:35, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Thanks, good point, please stop edit conflicting me! Yes, I saw him on ], that's what got my attention. It's been semi-protected for three months before, so I've done the same. I'll see if maybe I can do a range block as well. ] &#124; ] 07:40, 21 October 2015 (UTC).
	:: Hahha, sorry. I get nervous when writing about stuff like this and I try to make my points as concise as possible, which means editing. My bad. I'll be more careful in the future! Also, there's some vandalism going on WP:DRN from the same user as well.] (]) 07:42, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::It happens! I appreciate your report. The range is much too big to block, so I've tried doing 4 very small rangeblocks for a week (they're static IPs). He may well find his way out of those, though. I'll see if DRN can work as a honeypot! ] &#124; ] 07:56, 21 October 2015 (UTC).
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	== a fabulously trendy British hairstylist ==
	Hi Bish! It's a tale of a ] for a fabulously trendy British hairstylist, Daniel Galvin, who "did" the hair colour of Princess Diana and Twiggy, amongst others. It turns out (surprise, surprise) that the creator of that little beauty, works for Galvin's PR agent and has:
	#a username which impersonates Galvin, i.e. {{noping|DanielgalvinOBE}}
	#claimed on two separate occasions that she was not Mr. Galvin but two different people, the owner of the PR agency (Jessica Psalia) and one of Psalia's employees (Sonia Lall).
	I cannot get a straight answer out of her/them as to whether the password to this account has been shared. If it has, it's going to have to be blocked. If not, at the very least there has to be a name change. I told her/them that I'd ask an administrator to sort it out. Can you help?
	The main discussion is at ]. There's more background at ]'s talk page ], where Ms. Lall/Ms. Psalia claims that despite their being the PR agent for Daniel Galvin, there is no paid editing involved. Righty-O! Best, ] (]) 15:29, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
	'''PS''' As a preemptive strike, I created a puffless ] article. ] (]) 15:29, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
	'''PPS''' Me again. It now transpires that Ms. Lall and Ms. Psalia '''do''' share the password to that account . Best, ] (]) 15:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
	*Well, I've blocked that account, with a nursery word about paid editing and terms of use in the block notice, for when they create new account/s. Are you saying they don't understand that editing when they have Galvin as a client ''is'' paid editing, by definition ? 'Strordinary. ] &#124; ] 16:35, 21 October 2015 (UTC).
	:So, I looked at your article. Where did all the renowneds and famouses and classics go? It's nice and clean, but it's not going to shock the general public into reconsidering hair colour as something creative and expressive, is it? Boring! Let me know if there's anything else I can do. ] &#124; ] 16:45, 21 October 2015 (UTC).
	::You're a brick for sorting that out, Bish. Yep. They did indeed claim that this was not paid editing because it was "no profit" and done of their own... er... free will. . As for my article, I too am quite impressed with its utter boring-ness. It's a veritable masterpiece of boring-ness, if I do say so myself. Needless to say, both ] and I have it on our permanent watchlists in case "someone" tries to make it more "interesting" ]. Best, ] (]) 16:58, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::I'll just discreetly add something about his hair colour vision and what it did for women all over, when you guys aren't looking. Hi, ]. ] &#124; ] 17:12, 21 October 2015 (UTC).
	::::Oh will you now? In that case, you might want to add that he is '''"the man responsible for some 32 million Japanese women now colouring their hair"'''. Damned impressive that'''!''' There are lots more fab suggestions at ]. (Another of his minions?) ] (]) 18:04, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::Bad, ] - {{Scissors}} in ]. {{;)}} -- ] ] 09:39, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	]
	::::::No suggestions on that userpage any more. Explain to me why I haven't speedied the draft you link to, again? It's just as much an advertisement. But it sounded like ] was in favour of letting it (and the other drafts) languish until G13 gets them..? I don't mind either way. They're drafts, and the article exists. ] &#124; ] 19:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC).
	:::::::Ah, but you missed ], Bish. These folk have been '''very''' busy. That one could definitely be deleted as G11. As to the latest (very slightly toned down) version, ], in the past drafts have been deleted as G11 (blatant advert), but I gather they have to be very blatant. If you think it is, just zap it. I'm not sure if A10 (existing article on same subject) applies to draft space. ] (]) 06:26, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::Zap zap! ] &#124; ] 07:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC). {{Small|{{Thumbs up|Well done.}} -- ] ] 09:39, 22 October 2015 (UTC)}}
	{{od}}Hmmm. You don't hang out much at ], do you? Loads of tasty pond life there. I'd say about 80% of the queries are "Why did my <s>flaming advert</s> draft get rejected?" Of course, it's blindingly obvious why to everyone else, and even when they're told yet again why, they still don't get it. ] (]) 08:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	Advert, nah! {{oldid|Draft:Govberg Jewelers|680348054|'''This''' is an advert}}. Bish bring bucket. {{;)}} -- ] ] 09:39, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::Brits who stalk may ask why there is no page for ] and yet there is one, a whole paragraph, for ] -] (]) 18:17, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::::But there is a redirect to ] from {{noredirect|Laboratoires Garnier}}. You forgot the "s", ]. ] (]) 06:26, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::An indication, I'm afraid, of the quality of my editing. -] (]) 08:43, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	== ] ==
	Who was the master? --] <sup>]</sup> 20:01, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
	:I don't know who the master was. I do know a user who calls themselves ] has been around the block. Actually I meant to refer to both socking and advertising, but for some reason the opportunity to add a second reason to the deletion summary didn't come up (as it normally does). Feel free to recreate the article and delete it per G11 instead, if you think that would be useful. I have warned the IP who removed the speedy template, btw. I think it's very obvious that it's yet another incarnation of the same person. (And I doubt their butt is actually in Morocco.) ] &#124; ] 20:25, 21 October 2015 (UTC).
	::Deletion was fine. Would have been useful to know who Justlattersandnumbers was in case they pop up again. As it stands, it's a username block so they're free to create a new account. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:39, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::Sorry, it's hard to tell — the real user, Justl'''e'''ttersandnumbers, chases vandals and promoters quite a bit, so I couldn't guess who it is he has disobliged to the point of impersonation. Anyway, it's a "hard" username block, so I don't think they're any more free to create another account than people are after any block — are they? If I've understood the concept of a hard vs a soft block, which isn't necessarily the case. But I don't want to fall foul of ], so I'll say no more. ] &#124; ] 21:07, 21 October 2015 (UTC).
	== Rosie ==
	There is currently a question at the reference desks ] where an esteemed colleague brought up the notion that Rosie might be implying a bit more than "We can do it" in her gesture ... As Rosie is one of very few images currently illuminating your page, I thought I might point this out. And say hello. <small>(And look at Laurel & Hardy).</small> And wish you a happy Halloween in advance! ---] ] 21:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Lovely sound effect with the gesture in ''I vitelloni''! I'll always imagine that now, whenever I catch sight of Rosie on my page. You know, I once got a similar image from Soviet Russia on my page (as a barnstar?), long long ago. An older image, I'm pretty sure — from the twenties. Not sure if there was a gesture… it's got to be in my archives somewhere. ] &#124; ] 22:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC).
	:: wasn't a Soviet poster, but is arguably ''more'' Soviet Realist than anything the USSR ever came up with.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;] 23:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
	::: That's evocative of old memories: "Ask at any employment exchange" - do other folks still remember labour exchanges? There's stubby information on Misplaced Pages at ], ], and ], but nothing that really does the topic justice. --] (]) 15:10, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::There's an at-least-adequate summary of previous incarnations at ]. Remembering the hassle Eric and PoD had trying to write ], I'd be extremely reluctant to touch anything similar with a barge-pole, especially since in the current climate anyone writing on such things will have a flock of assorted Corbynistas ranting about your being a lackey of the neoliberal war machine for not explaining that unemployment is part of the global plot hatched up by rootless cosmopolitans in Wall Street and Brussels <small>(I was accused of using offensive language for using the term "lower classes" recently)</small>, right-wing cranks accusing you of being a commie agent trying to legitimise government control of what should rightly be left to the open market, and nationalists of all flavours accusing you of being an English/European (delete as appropriate) stooge for failing to mention some arcane difference between how they operated in Carlisle, Carmarthen, Carstairs and Carrickfergus.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;] 15:54, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::I thought "rootless cosmopolitans" (especially combined with "Wall Street") was antisemitic code, ]? Either I've got that wrong, or you're suggesting the "Corbynistas" are worried about a jewish plot for world domination … really? Perhaps I've totally misunderstood the subtleties, or I'm simply <s>fifty</s> eighty years out of date with the phrases. ] &#124; ] 16:54, 22 October 2015 (UTC).
	::::::In current British leftie-speak, "rootless cosmopolitans" means American bankers; the code for "Jewish plot" is "oligarchs of east European origin". (.)&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;] 16:58, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	::]. Only friendly helpful gestures depicted! And at the time we translated the bottom text (in grey) as "Say NO to the oppression and ] of the household work!" (meanwhile changed) ---] ] 16:00, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::Thank you, ]. It warms the heart to see the unfortunate Marta being helped out from under a crushing mountain of samovars and ]s! ] &#124; ] 16:12, 27 October 2015 (UTC).
	== A cup of tea for you! ==
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	|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | With this ever dramatic world including WikiDrama, here's a cup of tea to alleviate your day! {{smiley}}<small>This e-tea's remains have been e-]</small> ] ] 07:27, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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	*Thank you, that looks like the delicate Keemun tea in a Meissen cup. Just what I needed. ] &#124; ] 13:12, 22 October 2015 (UTC).
	== ] ==
	FYI - I have renominated ] for speedy deletion: like you I believe was perfectly ok as a user page but IMO subsequent version is not; it was previously deleted when it was the same or broadly the same as the latter. ] (]) 19:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Yes, quite, Richard. I've reverted the additions to the userpage and in doing so removed the speedy again... and replied on the talkpage. I hope he gets it. ] &#124; ] 19:41, 22 October 2015 (UTC).
	:: Many thanks! ] (]) 19:48, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
	== 500/30 enacted for four caste articles and a talk page under DS ==
	. I'm leaving you a note since you reminded me to close it. Thanks, ] (]) 00:09, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Thank you, ], that's great. A much-needed tool for the overworked editors and admins in this area. Are you going to log it at ] under India-Pakistan, page-level sanctions? Compare Zad's note under Gamergate. ] &#124; ] 08:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC).
	::. ] (]) 13:45, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
	==Userfy==
	I went to Sandstein to userfy an article. He won't, but he said go to another admin. . Can you please userfy it for me. Thanks. ] (]) 19:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
	:I'm afraid I'm not looking up those Google searches, ]. Please convince me that you really have significant new info — stuff that's not already there — and I'll put it in your userspace for a limited time — say a week. {{parabr}}
	:I'm not going to encourage you to sock, though. What do you know about the IPs who supported keeping the article in ]? Do you have any theory about how they happened to find it? ] &#124; ] 20:10, 23 October 2015 (UTC).
	I believe he passes ]. As per http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_fields_0901.htm <br />
	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:q1i72pyM-RwJ:https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/101466676/Judo-Sadaki-Nakabayashi-1965+&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us <br />
	https://books.google.com/books?id=adkDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=judo+japan+nakabayashi&source=bl&ots=jVPy3l_GB5&sig=sjfyZhvlpfEh2UoHLxN3rkn7BlM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAmoVChMIvoO4qtHVyAIVwnk-Ch3QCg4Q#v=onepage&q=judo%20japan%20nakabayashi&f=false <br />
	http://www.usja-judo.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/USJA-Story-V2-5-69.pdf <br />
	Also he was a 2 time college champ in Judo in Japan. This was before there was Olympic Judo and any judo world champion He is an author of a number of Judo books. He held the highest rank in Judo in the United States. 173 is mine. Anyone else, I don't know. I won't put any other article in userspace for a bit under a year. So a week won't mean a thing. I could simply start from scratch and use the links I currently have (until the year is done), but I wanted to see some of the information and sources in the old article. ] (]) 21:48, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Well, the consensus at the AfD was that he doesn't. I notice you don't answer my question about the IPs, btw. If you won't answer, I've got to assume they were all you. :-( Anyway, I'd rather not put it into your space, especially since you say a shorter period is no good to you. But I don't mind e-mailing you the last version. You can get the information and sources from that. Most conveniently if you paste it into Misplaced Pages and use preview to look at it (without saving, please). OK, I'll do that. {{parabr}}
	:..sigh. No, I guess I won't. I can't, since you don't have wikimail enabled. That really is not convenient. Oh well. If you'll give me a temporary e-mail address in some way, I'll send you the article. That's the best I can do. ] &#124; ] 22:58, 23 October 2015 (UTC).
	I said 173 is me. The other I dont know about. I didn't log on. Please send me the latest version. I will put up an email. ] (]) 03:22, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
	:I'm sorry, CA, I missed where you said that about the 173 IP. I apologize. (But I don't much like to see that that IP removed the AfD template. You're an experienced editor, you know not to pull stuff like that.) I've mailed you the last version of the article. Good luck. ] &#124; ] 08:50, 24 October 2015 (UTC).
	::The AFD of an article i wrote drew me back in. When did an IP remove an AFD template? I will see what I can do with the new information. ] (]) 22:08, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::(Do you ever thread your posts?) The 173 IP that you say you is you removed the AfD template on ] on September 24. ] &#124; ] 22:17, 24 October 2015 (UTC).
	:Prob an accident. IT's pointless to remove them. IT won't take away the AFD. ] (]) 23:09, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
	==Your edit to my page!==
	Please do not mock! it is important for other editors to know the education and experience of those to whom they speak and address. While some lesser educated Japanese people may experience difficulties when conversing with me in Japanese; this is largely due to a lack of concentration on their part. Indeed. the manager and staff at my are all very complementary about my Japanese and have no problems taking my orders. My aunt and I will both be displaying our accomplishments for all to see. Not to do so, is false modesty. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]</span> ] 15:57, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Mock? Never — I celebrate you as a Renaissance man. But do I have to do it two metres down in the right-hand corner of your page? {{Ping|RexxS}} You see the problem, Dino? ] &#124; ] 16:30, 24 October 2015 (UTC).
	::
	:: Yes Chère, there were two opening box-tops, but only one closing box-bottom. Speaking of the Renaissance, did you know I was born 500 years to the day after Leonardo da Vinci? Spooky, huh. I like his Excellency's new reastaurant in Knightsbridge, but it has a sign on the door
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	:: and I haven't finished my training yet. --] (]) 17:20, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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	:::Oh that's all too confusing for words. More excitingly, I have just found this: {{Gom}}, so I think we'll all have one each. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]</span> ] 20:13, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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	::::Ha. That really is handsome. ] &#124; ] 22:18, 24 October 2015 (UTC).
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	::::::::*No, no, no, no. I think that's quite horrid and possibly full of bookworms and suchlike, we had a lot of ghastly Egyptian type things in the library at Scrotum Towers brought back by my father in the 1920's (he was very close to dear Lord Carnavon) - nasty little cats and things. They upset my darling Pekes, so I burnt the lot of them for hygiene reasons. Oh yes, My Dear, I am back too - one can't play bridge during the winter, especially as all foreigners cheat. ] (]) 18:33, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
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	:::::::::*Dear ], prepare to be shocked: I've been that ], whom you (deluded no doubt by affection and family pride) have so often referred to as "a saint", is actually a misogynist who ought to be "topic-banned" from anything to do with gender. A woman-hater! Please have a nursery word with him. And topic ban him from something or other, perhaps? ] &#124; ] 22:38, 25 October 2015 (UTC).
			] (]) 00:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
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	Not sure I approve of an image that just provides a link to the crappy main page. I'm sure we could do a lot better. {{User:RexxS/Bishgom}} {{-}}Ah, that's better. --] (]) 20:56, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Aspire to be little 'shonen? Ha, unlikely. See better box below! (Little Rex perhaps line up all the boxes horizontally? Too much whitespace on page!) ] ] 22:30, 25 October 2015 (UTC).
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			== Kefas Brand ==
	== Closure box at ] regarding submissions from IPs ==
			Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,
	Please see where I boxed up the ] thread for which you implemented the result. Yesterday an IP filed a new request at AE and couldn't recall whether IPs were allowed to post. Now it appears that you and a few other people settled the matter in September. Thanks, ] (]) 22:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Yep, with some arb input, and after a well-attended ANI discussion. I note the IP is edit warring to reinsert it; I went to warn them, but I see you already did. Also, it looks kind of reasonable to remove that request no matter who filed it; it's hardly a proper AE request. ] &#124; ] 22:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC).
			So in July 2024 you protected ], ] has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –]<sup>]</sup> 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
	== Hey, question. ==
			:The content is in fact different, ], so I guess AfD is the better fit; ] was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for ] also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. ] &#124; ] 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
			::Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages ( and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
	Someone I reverted on Misplaced Pages contacted me on Reddit and I don't know what to do about it. Can you offer advice? Cheers. ] (]) 23:00, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
			::I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –]<sup>]</sup> 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
	:Sorry, I got nothing, I don't do Reddit. Talkpage stalkers please assist? ] &#124; ] 23:09, 25 October 2015 (UTC).
	:@]: Without looking at Reddit the usual rule would be ]. It's conceivable that a new and naive user might contact someone at another website in order to discuss some point; in that case, you might post at the user's talk page here to say that if they have a question, please ask at the article talk page . However, it's much more likely that contact at Reddit is a first step in a campaign. I would not reply because each reply is another step into a trap. It's less clear what should be done if someone posts hostility at another website. If you don't mind linking your Misplaced Pages account to Reddit, you might post ''once'' at the Misplaced Pages user's talk and ask them if they wrote the comment . Don't offer an opinion about the comment, you merely want to determine the authenticity of the comment's author. The fundamental point is that replying to someone on a campaign is always counter-productive—your aim is to be as boring as possible. ] (]) 01:09, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
	::Cheers. I won't talk to him unless he brings it to my talk page, then. ] (]) 01:29, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
	==Clarification==
	Hello, would my editing ] and removing Mahabharata content be in violation of ban? Someone has mixed history with mythology, as there is already a ]. -- Pankaj Jain ''] <span class="plainlinks">(] '''·''' ] '''·''' )</span>'' 13:45, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Please ask before you edit, ]! Are you talking about removing the whole section "In Mahabharata"? That's 75% of the article! (Mind you, I suspect all those other subsections aren't actually meant to be part of "In Mahabharata", but the way the headers are currently formatted, that's how they're presented.) {{ping|SpacemanSpiff|Abecedare}} Could you guys take a look, please? It doesn't look very religious to me, more like mythical history, so I think it would be OK as far as the ban is concerned. But please wait for input from Space or Abece first. ] &#124; ] 15:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC).
	::Anything related to ], ] etc would be covered under ] as they are religious works. Whether this merits an exception from the ban itself, I'd suggest not at this point as this sort of thing is where the original problem started. If the content is bad, I'm sure there are other editors like {{U|Kautilya3}} or {{U|Cpt.a.haddock}} who edit these areas and are bound to identify problems sooner or later. &mdash;]''']''' 15:11, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::Thanks for the reply {{u|Bishonen}}. The edits you mentioned were on ] which is a historical kingdom and I think is not covered in my ban (Please correct me if I am wrong). Further I asked, when clarity faded for Mahabharata. As regards {{u|SpacemanSpiff}} comment, well (no offence meant) they haven't been able to do so till now. -- Pankaj Jain ''] <span class="plainlinks">(] '''·''' ] '''·''' )</span>'' 15:23, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::The historical kingdom is not covered, but any edits related to ] are covered by your topic ban.&mdash;]''']''' 15:27, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::OK, with that information, I'm with ]: you need to leave Mahabharata alone, in all articles, ]. I do remember, indeed, that it was the uncertain, shimmering, vague borderland between myth and religion that started all the trouble where you're concerned. ] &#124; ] 15:50, 27 October 2015 (UTC).
	::::{{Reply|Capankajsmilyo}} I'll take a look at the Kalinga articles.--] (]) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 19:32, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::Thank you, ], much appreciated. Amphitryon! Misérable ectoplasme! Nom d'une pipe! ] &#124; ] 19:43, 27 October 2015 (UTC).
	::::::Billions of bilious blue blistering barnacles! You really know how to get my goat, you bashi-bazouk! :P--] (]) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 20:04, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
	== Need your opinion ==
	Hi Bishonen, I need an outside opinion, I'm discussing whether the British Empire was a "Superpower", whereas the other editor disagrees, but c'mon, look at these: , , , , , , , , . They all call the ] a superpower> Not to mention, these dictionaries applied to the Empire's position during it's heyday , . (] (]) 16:43, 28 October 2015 (UTC))
	==Clarification==
	Hello, can I use tools like chrcklinks on pages like Jainism? -- Pankaj Jain ''] <span class="plainlinks">(] '''·''' ] '''·''' )</span>'' 10:37, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Don't do anything that will or could result in an edit. ''Please'' just leave the article alone. ] &#124; ] 10:46, 31 October 2015 (UTC).
	::OK thanks -- Pankaj Jain ''] <span class="plainlinks">(] '''·''' ] '''·''' )</span>'' 17:13, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
	==Warning==
	I have received another warning, please help me in getting clarification. In BLP articles, do we have to state the whole lineage upto great grandfather? Also are tools like checklinks act with POV? Please help. -- Pankaj Jain ''] <span class="plainlinks">(] '''·''' ] '''·''' )</span>'' 17:13, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
	:Also do we have to discuss an edit on the talk page of article or user? -- Pankaj Jain ''] <span class="plainlinks">(] '''·''' ] '''·''' )</span>'' 17:14, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
	::Bish, this is related to my warning to Capankajsmilyo. He was soapboxing at ] and was warned for it (not by me) and then he went to the political opponent ] to make pointy edits by removing contextual content and tag bombing with cn tags (because sentences and not phrases are cited!) and stuff like that. I left a warning that this sort of editing is likely to get the scope of the topic ban expanded or editing privileges revoked altogether.&mdash;]''']''' 17:28, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
	:*], at the Teahouse, I noticed you were trying to gather some support against ]'s, in particular his latest warning on your page. That hasn't profited you any, as the uninvolved users replying there didn't see any "bullying" (as your section header called it). I don't either. Look, I've seen you do good work, for instance at ] — your tagging and removal of tourist-y promotion there drew me in to do some further cleanup — why can't you stick with that kind of useful editing? Your questions above are highly pointy. You merely make yourself look foolish with a question like "In BLP articles, do we have to state the whole lineage up to great grandfather?" — as if you had been removing any old greatgrandfather — and not giving me any context, so I have to dig out that you were talking about removing ] and ] from the ] article! Please don't try to tell me you're not aware of the importance his descent from them has had for his political career, or of the relevance of that descent in his biography. Also I don't altogether understand your question "are tools like checklinks act with POV?" — it's strangely put, and of course a tool isn't POV in itself — it's always about how it's used. As for "discussing" an edit — yes, that should be done on article talk — but a ''warning'' should be placed on yours, to make sure you see it. I'm frankly having trouble seeing any of your questions as asked in good faith; they're tendentious in themselves. In short, I agree completely with SpacemanSpiff that you're editing tendentiously and cruising for a wider topic ban or a block. You should listen to him. ] &#124; ] 20:53, 31 October 2015 (UTC).
	::: May I request both of you to go a bit easy on {{U|Capankajsmilyo}} this time? Yes, he was soapboxing at ], but he wasn't the only one doing it. The edits he did to ] may be pointy, but again they may not be, because he was doing similar edits at a whole lot of other pages. Pankaj, please take the warning seriously and be very cautious in editing topics that may be influenced by your political views.
	::: Bishonen, can I ask you to keep an eye on ] and its talk page? There is some new critical material coming and the fan club is not able to take it objectively. I think most other admins I know think they are involved with the topic and so can't intervene. But the discussions are likely to get quite inflamed. So, a watchful eye would be welcome. Cheers, ] (]) 22:35, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
	::::Yes, as ] pointed out, ] was not the only one doing soapboxing at ], I was also blamed for the same, though I usually don't do these things, still if there was any kind of soapboxing I will take care next time. As far as ] is concerned, he is relatively new and as of now he is like any other typical new user who usually joins Misplaced Pages to push own political/social/religious views. I think he may need more time to settle because as per my experience same kind of users usually convert themselves to more sensible user once they spend some more time on Misplaced Pages. Kautilya said to "take it easy" on Pankaj because "he is not the only one", it is an argument like ]. There are many very experienced editors on India-Pakistan arena who are involved in some kind of POV pushing. Bishonen can keep many other India-Pakistan conflict related pages on their watchlist and should endorse discretionary sanctions for POV pushers (whatever their experience) on this arena (including me obviously). POV pushing by experienced editors usually goes unnoticed but new editors usually becomes victim of ]. Pankaj needs more improvement, he should keep his political views aside while editing Misplaced Pages if he want to become nice editor someday. --]]&nbsp; 23:52, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::::"New" can only go so far Human, a lot of leeway has been provided here, but pointy editing on BLPs is not something that can be easily excused. Context matters, you may also have indulged in soapboxing (I'm not saying you did or didn't -- just a follow on from your statement) but that did not affect your editing behavior elsewhere. And to Kautilya's point, the deadlink thing (which is what was being done on multiple articles) by itself is fine and welcome -- it's all that surrounded it. In this case, the behavior has already been sanctioned in one area, if instead of being used as an opportunity to learn and modify that behavior the user indulges in similar behavior elsewhere then that is problematic. There are always going to be good-faith errors and some leeway provided for some sort of behavioral issues, but not again and again because it's new to a particular article or topic. &mdash;]''']''' 05:42, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::{{ping|Kautilya3}} I should probably have linked to in my post above, for the benefit of the watchers. Did you see it? Note the header Capankajsmilyo gave it, "Admin Bully", and the advice from an uninvolved admin, ]. As for watching ], I do realize that uninvolved admins are thin on the ground there, since the knowledgeable and interested admins understandably tend to dive in and edit. This is something of a systemic problem on Misplaced Pages, with only the ignorant and less-than-interested admins left able to perform admin actions on a topic. ;-( This is my case here. I'm frankly not sure how much use I'd be on ], and also I have a lot on my plate. But feel free to alert me if you see major problems. ] &#124; ] 10:07, 1 November 2015 (UTC).
	::::: Hi Bishonen, I didn't see the teahouse pose earlier. Now that I have, it seems to be a good sign that Pankaj is going to the teahouse to get another opinion. Some people have to go through a painful learning process. What can I say? I will try to say a few words to him on his talk page. As for the ] page, all that I would need is to remind people about policy periodically. Cheers, ] (]) 14:10, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::Now that you've seen Caps' posts at the Teahouse you think they're a good sign, really? In that case I have no more to say to you on the subject. ] &#124; ] 14:30, 1 November 2015 (UTC).
	::::::: Well, I think Caps did feel "bullied," rightly or wrongly. I see his reaction as immaturity rather than malice. That is my reading of it anyway, having seen his work pretty much every day. How much of it can be tolerated is up to you folks to decide. - ] (]) 14:47, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
	==Pizza - Mafia (Mandolino, Spaghetti, etc. :-))==
	Ciao page stalker :-) did you understand what happened on my talk page about mafia? I found myself in the middle of a dispute about pronunciations of Italian words on Misplaced Pages, but at the end I was overwhelmed by the Northern Cyprus issue... :-) I tried to answer to the ip on his talk page, but I disappeared. Who was right, who was wrong there? (Except myself, of course :-)). Cheers, ] (]) 17:32, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
	:{{ping|Alessandro57}} Who was right or wrong about putting in the pronunciation for those well-known loanwords, you mean? I don't know. I can't face researching it. But if there's consensus about it, as I believe you said somewhere, then the consensus is right. (Sorry to hear you disappeared — what happened?) ] &#124; ] 13:57, 1 November 2015 (UTC).
	::Thanks Bish! I meant, he, the ip, disappeared :-). About this issue I asked an opinion at the manual of style TP, but, as it is often the case, it was rather inconclusive... ] (]) 04:42, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
	== I have to idea how to reply to this... ==
	- I wasn't aware that there was a 3RR "process" ... and that having a 3rd party step in was bad and grounds for a third revert... ] - ] 18:07, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
	:], I agree that's a very unusual edit summary. I think you really know what's wrong with it, and what reply to make — indeed, the user in question has been here since 2010, so I rather think they know it, too. But I've posted on their page. ] &#124; ] 13:51, 1 November 2015 (UTC).
	:: I will freely admit to being a grumpy old lady ... so rather than posting what I want to post (which was a bit like {{u|Eric Corbett}}'s more intemperate replies), I thought it best to have some outside input before spewing swear words all over. Thank you. ] - ] 13:57, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
	== Gabby Merger ==
	I have been involved in one of the articles in which Gabby Merger and Jeffro77 were at odds, and I was shocked to find that the reason Gabby stopped taking part in the talk page was because he/she was blocked. I didn't see any "personal attacks" against Jeffro by Gabby Merger, but I did see plenty of ad hominem comments by Jeffro against Gabby. I would ask that you please reconsider the decision to block Gabby Merger. ] (]) 07:57, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
	:A longer block was an appropriate response to a long-term problem of personal attacks, accusations, edit-warring by Gabby Merger, coupled by her utter contempt for the concept of collaboration. This editor's last series of absurdly long, rambling rants shows she just doesn't understand what is wrong with her approach. And God, this Laurel and Hardy gif is irritating. ] (]) 08:09, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
	::I'm sure it's a coincidence that GBRV supports Gabby Merger's position in the editing dispute at ]. In any case, GBRV is possibly unaware of not only Gabby Merger's history of POV edits but also Gabby Merger's long-winded badgering. For example, in the period 22-23 September alone, Gabby Merger made '''eighty''' edits to my User Talk page, all the while claiming that ''I'' was 'hounding' ''her''. (For clarity: I made a total of 14 edits to my Talk page in the same period; nearly half of them were requesting that Gabby Merger cease commenting at my Talk page, and some were in response to other editors.)--] (]) 08:18, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
	== Thanks for protecting my user talk page ==
	The IP vandal has moved on to ]. Could you protect that too (although my "mother was a slave of my shoes" was entertaining). And also, ] and ]. Thanks. ] (]) 11:24, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
	:The great and good ] created a script for semiprotecting everything with a particular prefix with one click, at a time when I was getting my userspace vandalized a lot. I just tried to semi yours, but the script didn't seem to work this time. :-( What happen, Writ? Anyway, I've done the three you requested by hand. No doubt they'll move on… but I have to go now, for my part. ] &#124; ] 11:55, 3 November 2015 (UTC).
	::Thanks. All my other pages were protected yesterday, so that should be it for now. Thanks again. ] (]) 12:48, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
	== User: Help me edit ==
	Hi Bishonen,
	Thank you for reverting personal attacks on my user and user talk pages by this user. He personally attacked me because i reverted a vandalism edit by his IP address on ]. He then created an account just so he could attack my pages. I have also told another admin, ] who helped me a couple of weeks ago, but since you restored my pages, i decided to tell you about it. Could you please protect both my pages or do i have to send a request for that?
	Thanks
	] (]) 20:42, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
	:No no, I'll protect them for a couple of weeks (semiprotect), no problem. Since that was how it was, I've blocked the account (on second thoughts; as you probably saw, I warned them at first) indefinitely, and the IP for a few days. ] &#124; ] 20:46, 3 November 2015 (UTC).
	Thats what i meant, semi-protect them. Thank you very much for your help!
	] (]) 20:53, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
	== A barnstar for you! ==		== A barnstar for you! ==
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	|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For semi-protecting my pages from personal attacks and vandalism. Thank you very much! ] (]) 20:55, 3 November 2015 (UTC)		|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you! <b><span style= "font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:#00C000"> ]] <sup>(])</sup></span></b> 20:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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			:Hey, what a fine star! Thank ''you''! ] &#124; ] 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
			::Thank you for being so proactive at blocking that user IP. I appreciate your work. <b><span style= "font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:#00C000"> ]] <sup>(])</sup></span></b> 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
			==My guess...==
	:Very pretty! Thanks! ] &#124; ] 20:57, 3 November 2015 (UTC).
			: Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
			: Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
			: Give my regards to 'zilla. ] (]) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
			::Hi, ]. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied ] or they lied ], or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked {{u|Girth Summit}}, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. ] &#124; ] 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
			::: Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. ] (]) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
			::::I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. ] &#124; ] 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
			:::::Welcome in pocket, little ]! ] ] ] 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
			:::::: What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of ], and if I'm not then it's a lie. ] (]) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
			::::::: Pint-size James! ] ] ] 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
			:::It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. ]] 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
	== Query of DS sanctions ==
			== ''Scheisst'' ==
	Last time I had seen the request to topic ban Swamiblue and had read your comment. Knowing that you had previously told that you can topic ban disruptive editors from the subject if they have been alerted with DS notice, I wanted to know if you are still willing to take review such requests for DS sanctions. ] (]) 16:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
	:I'm sorry, ], I don't think I can. I don't understand the area well enough. Actually I never said '''''I''''' could topic ban them, but that they could ''be'' topic banned. By an admin who understands the ins and outs of it — not me. In my ] post that you link to, I was giving advice, and pointing out that I had handed out a DS notice. When users have had the notice, an uninvolved admin can topic ban them if they're being disruptive. I suggest you request review at ]. Sorry to be so useless. ] &#124; ] 17:21, 5 November 2015 (UTC).
			''ist wie Scheisst macht''. ] (]) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
	== Margaret Sanger ==
			:Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? ] &#124; ] 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
			== NOTHERE user ==
	Slow motion edit war with anti-birth control activists, trying to plant argument that birth control is racist. Centers on minimizing importance of web du bois. Page needs semi-protection or full. Thanks for watching. ] (]) 03:10, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
	:Semi for two weeks. I see the account that removed the same content has been alerted to discretionary sanctions. ] &#124; ] 05:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC).
			Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user {{noping|Powerinhand}}. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - , . He also created which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.
	== Danish? ==
	Bish, was your assertion that you could understand Shouroff because you understand Danish a joke? I know many Danes who do not understand Danish. OP Curious. ] (]) 04:45, 6 November 2015 (UTC)		It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. ] (]) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
	:Gosh, I must have been unclear; I was trying to say that I could ''not'' understand Shourov, and that I understood him even worse because I ''can'' read his Danish sources. (He used the sources in an incomprehensible way.) That wasn't a joke — a bit of hyperbole, maybe — I probably don't actually understand him ''worse'' than the people who can't read Danish; just, it doesn't help any. So you know Danes who do not understand Danish? Well, I have in fact heard it's increasingly the case that Danes themselves don't understand their own spoken language, which is getting more and more blurred. I'm not Danish, and I sure as hell don't understand what they say, but I can read the language. I come from one of those other little countries up north. ] &#124; ] 05:16, 6 November 2015 (UTC).
	::Er dette en dobbelt, tredobbelt eller endnu mere kompliceret negation? I don't understand Danish too, but I'm Dutch. Some people don't understand Dutch either. But there are some nice Dutch people who do understand <s>Dutch</s> Danish. ] -] 05:57, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::Joshua, did you know Scandinavian and Dutch people share a unique bond, or so I'm told? Apparently we're the only people in the world who like ] — salmiak. (I love it passionately.) I read somewhere on the internet a theory by an American, who had been so appalled when he tasted the stuff that he decided we must be eating it out of masochism, based on our puritan heritage. His idea was that we're ashamed of enjoying sweets, so we ruin the nice liquorice with salt (ammonium chloride), and only then will our conscience allow us to eat it. Clever fellow. ] &#124; ] 12:15, 6 November 2015 (UTC).
	::::Salmiak? Ja, lekker! Americans play American football, instead of soccer, and they have Santa Claus, instead of Sinterklaas; how can we take them seriously in matters like this? ] -] 13:59, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::American football is sort of like ], the foot is as key to it as salt is to the taffy. &mdash;]''']''' 14:26, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::Actually I've just thought of a similar theory of my own to explain the existence of white chocolate: people who're ashamed of enjoying chocolate ruin it by removing the cocoa. The resulting dreary concoction, consisting only of sugar and fat, seems to be very popular in the U.S. It keeps popping up in their cake and cookie recipes. If it wasn't for the internet, we wouldn't know about these strange things. ] &#124; ] 15:36, 6 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::::::Gah! Our "white chocolate" has as much vanilla in it as your salty liquorice has ammonium chloride. ] (]) 17:07, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
	:«''I come from one of those other little countries up north.''» Did ] finally secede then? --] (]) 17:33, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
	::Not yet. Norway has seceded from Sweden, though! In 1905, which is quite recently, as these things go. See ] — I think those various words for it sort of hint that the languages are mutually intelligible, right? ] &#124; ] 18:02, 6 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::Norway? No longer part of Sweden? Of all the nerve! Unleash ] and those other Jurassic creatures of War to put an immediate end to this comeuppance and arrogant action by those lesser Norwegians! They will either resubmit to their natural subservience or perish in a rain of fire!--] 18:21, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
			:To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . ] (]) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
	:::{{ec}}A language is a dialect with an own army and navy. I.e. it's purely political. The difference between Swedish, Norwegian and Danish is less than the difference between various dialects of German, as anyone who has had the chance to compare southern highland German (for example Bavarian) and northern lowland German knows. ] ] 18:28, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
	] -] 19:10, 6 November 2015 (UTC)]]
	:::Well, sure, except they're kinda long and multisyllabic, and have funny characters in them, so they might as well be ] for all most folks on here are concerned. No, if you want to demonstrate mutual intelligibility you want to go with something short and that most people here can relate to. Like ], ], and ]. I wonder though, what can be read into the fact—in anthropological terms, obviously—that of the Scandinavian Wikipedias, only nowiki and fiwiki have an entry for that one (apparently) entirely unforgivable word that is the proximate cause of the latest bout of drama on here, and on fiwiki that article is even featured content (GA-equivalent I believe). I feel certain something quite profound about '''' may be understood by careful study of this phenomenon. --] (]) 19:02, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::Ask ] about Scandinavian Wiki's... ] -] 19:11, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
			::This is a new user, ]. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in ], and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. ] &#124; ] 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
	== ] ==
			:::Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. ] (]) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
			::::Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them ] when they pop up again.-- ]<sup>]</sup> 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Thanks @]. Will do. ] (]) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Thank you very much, my little ]. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. ] &#124; ] 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
			== The Admin's Barnstar ==
	I notice that you deleted the user page and blocked the above user. Apparently, it was just the tip of the iceberg, as I've found a whole lot of similar accounts/pages, where "Abbas Nurrollahi Diba" -- as he or she signs him/herself -- creates a new account (seemingly as a title) and posts yet another rambling bit of discourse. I think I've found a couple of dozen, going back a year. --] | ] 09:26, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
			{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
	The aforementioned user pages I have come across, so far, in no particular order:
			|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | ]
	*{{User|Non Scientific Merit Politics}}
	*{{User|Mindless Political Neuroethics}}
	*{{User|Rabbi Abraham Herhsberg}}
	*{{User|Bioethics Fritz Jahr}}
	*{{User|Bioheredity}}
	*{{User|Neuropseudology}}
	*{{User|Biochemistry in Global Politics}}
	*{{User|Carteronomics}}
	*{{User|Political Moralnomics/sandbox}}
	*{{User|Geriatric Economics}}
	*{{User|Dignity Neurochemistry}}
	*{{User|World Diseases Economics}}
	*{{User|Carter Jimicracy}}
	*{{User|Karbakh Neuropolitics}}
	*{{User|Finpolitical Neurodiplomacy}}
	*{{User|Tetonia Diplomacy}}
	*{{User|EDIDS}}
	*{{User|Biohaustus}}
	*{{User|Abourezk Kennedy Diplomacy}}
	*{{User|Glucopexiology}}
	*{{User|Dyscognitive Diabetes}}
	*{{User|Global Aylan}}
	*{{User|Spinal Neuronomics}}
	--] | ] 10:07, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
	::Wow. Great work, Calton. I see ] has recently written advice on a few of the talkpages, such as ] and ], explaining about userpages and articles, and he has also moved the essays to draftspace. I've just pointed John to your list here. Maybe ] is the place for this, to try to do something for the future. And about the others probably left out there that you haven't come across... ] &#124; ] 11:57, 6 November 2015 (UTC).
	== I feel loved ==
	Whenever I see such lovely comments about me I feel much endeared. Fun times!--] 21:52, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
	:Yes, that turned up on my watchlist, I enjoyed it, too. ] &#124; ] 21:55, 7 November 2015 (UTC).
	::Note the timestamps: the lovely comment at 21:37 UTC, the block at 21:38. Under ideal circumstances my banhammer is pretty fast these days (thank Twinkle). ] &#124; ] 21:59, 7 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::Yes...the speed and violence of that block made me think it was done by Bishzilla...it was thunderous!--] 22:02, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::ha ha ha, yes, I get a steady stream of love letters from that guy now that he's out of jail. How to begin to describe the subtlety and range of delicate feeling expressed. How do I love thee? let me count the sockpuppets ... ] ] 22:02, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::Hehe. Do they all begin with "Antbrain"? {{ping|MONGO}} Oh, right, I should tip off Bishzilla about Twinkle. You see how slow she was . If she'd had Twinkle, the little arb would surely have been reduced to a crisp before I could intervene. ] &#124; ] 22:08, 7 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::::I think giving Bishzilla block ability as your avatar makes more sense than ever giving MONGO block capabilities...just my thinking.--] 22:24, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
	== Hey hey! ==
	I have already seen the new version of ] used by seven different administrators. (There may be more, for all I know.) None of them has objected to the change. If I had known it would be so completely uncontroversial, I would have done it years ago. <small>''The editor who uses the pseudonym''</small> "]" (]) 15:43, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
	:Yeah. I suppose, with Twinkle, people may tend to use existing templates without question, as if they were the stone tablets brought down from Mount Sinai. I know I did, when I started looking at the new user creation log not long ago and became hooked on blocking promotional usernames. (Only if they've posted something objectionable — if it's just the name, a block seems unnecessarily blunt, IMO.) But after a while I became worried about the templates. Thanks for composing this one — now we can all use your version! ] &#124; ] 18:38, 9 November 2015 (UTC).
	::PS: and now I have also used it. It felt good. ] &#124; ] 18:49, 9 November 2015 (UTC).
	== As Someone I Trust ==
	Hi! Hope you are doing well. An editor seems to really be impressing things upon my on ] re paid editing disclosures. I feel as though I am complying with ToU and the directions you have given me. When you have time, would you please give me your take on what they are asking me to do. Thank you so much! ] (]) 19:28, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
	:Excuse dropping in here, there's discussion of the policy and compliance at ] (several sections). <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span>; ]</span> 00:01, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
	::Thank you very much, ], I wasn't aware of that. There do seem to be some contradictions in and between the policies and guidelines, and I hope the discussion is ironing them out; I'll try to get my head around it all as it affects Penelope. It may take a day or two, ], sorry. In the meantime, please feel free to join that discussion. You don't, IMO, have any reason to mistrust the people there, even if they can occasionally sound impatient. ] &#124; ] 07:45, 10 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::I must add, that the integrity of my communication with Penelope1114 has been compromised, as detailed in the full-circle journey at Talk:PAID. Best I withdraw from discussion due to patience vs ]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span>; ]</span> 09:30, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::Thank you, Bishonen, as always. The general nonacceptance I receive from the majority of editors due to my sometime paid research and suggestions make me hesitant to join a discussion about it. Thus far, the only editor who has acted on any of the suggestions I have made is BMK (a big thanks to him). Numerous editors are happy to advise/drill me on how they think I should disclose my paid suggestions. It feels like a bit of a witch hunt when I comply, even disclosing paid editing from before June 2014, am not a PR person, and yet have proposed edits to improve articles just sitting there with no discussion beginning. I really appreciate the time you are giving to me. Best ] (]) 16:23, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::: {{u|Penelope1114}} has been generally, but far from fully or without prompting, responsive to requests for disclosure. The matter that caught my attention was that she <em>removed</em> disclosures from her talk page as being 'no longer current'. I see she has fixed that now. A '''huge''' problem that I see looking at her talk page disclosures is she has added <em>"Penelope1114 is an independent Misplaced Pages editor."</em> to {{tl|Connected contributor (paid)}} on ] and ]. An editor can not by by the definition of COI be independent and paid, {{u|Widefox}} has brought this up on her talk page. <p> Looking at the other articles she has disclosed; ], ] and ], I see she has not disclosed at all on the talk page as is required. In addition she has not disclosed <em>anywhere</em> the full "employer, client, affiliation" as required both bu ] and the ToU. This requirement has been explained to her <em>many</em> times. Proper disclosure is very easy {{tl|paid}} and {{tl|Connected contributor (paid)}} exist for a reason, they have all the fields needed for talk page and user page disclosures all that must be done is fill them out properly and the matter is closed. <p> {{ping|Penelope1114}} your input would be valued in the discussion over at ] in particular it would be nice to get a paid editor's view on why not simply use the proper templates and disclose on your user and talk page. Why the resistance? I know paid editors can be treated poorly but paid editing is a huge problem here and disclosure is <em>required</em> and wiki-lawyering the <em>minimum</em> disclosure sets off alarm bells. ]] 16:47, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::I too brought it up on her talk page, {{u|Jbhunley}}. My comments there received no reply or acknowledgement from {{u|Penelope1114}}. She hasn't removed that dishonest (yes, it's dishonest to claim to be "independent" when in fact you are editing for pay) claim from her paid editing declarations, nor has she added such declarations to the other pages she's created. Our terms of use require disclosure; but what's the remedy when the editor refuses to comply? As {{u|Widefox}} correctly points out, this is just a time sink for everyone; but only one person here is getting paid for her time. Bishonen, I can't imagine you want this to be thrashed out here – do you want to re-open the COIN discussion, for example, instead? ] (]) 17:44, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::Maybe, but since ] came here because she trusts me, I'll take a shot (at last) at outlining my opinion here, and if that isn't effective, I suppose the COIN discussion had better be reopened. Penelope, quite frankly, you are being treated with suspicion because people get the impression you will only comply with the minimal absolute rules of the WMF's Terms of Use. You should comply with ''best practice'' (an important concept on this site): ]. Best Misplaced Pages practice is outlined in the policies and guidelines Widefox put on your talkpage. To summarize them: please disclose your affiliations, including the specific client involved for each article on a) your userpage (not your user ''talk''page) and b) on the talkpages of all the articles affected. WMF may theoretically be satisfied with ''either'' a ''or'' b, but it's surely clear by now that Misplaced Pages is not. And what do you have against it? How is it onerous?
	:::::::Why do you call yourself "an independent editor"? Are you referring to the editing you do without being paid for it (if I understand you, that's mostly copyediting)? It does run the risk of being misleading. A statement about you being an "independent editor" should absolutely not appear on the talkpages of articles you are or have been paid to edit, such as ]. I don't even understand what it means there, because you're not independent in relation to those articles. Please remove it from those talkpages.
	:::::::These things seem obvious to me, but your complaint that you make suggestions on talkpages and nobody responds is quite different; it's a problem that shouldn't be ignored. ] states that it's best practice to only suggest edits on talk, but it doesn't say what you should do if the suggestions aren't answered. For instance, I see you suggested an update on ] on November 7, and your suggestion is still the last post on that talkpage. :-( In an ideal world, all articles would be well-watched, but the actual fact is that some are obscure, and nobody watches them, or nobody can spare the time and energy to respond. (People mostly edit Misplaced Pages as an unpaid hobby, so that happens quite a lot.) Now this is my opinion: provided you comply scrupulously with a) and b) above, and if nobody has responded to a talkpage suggestion within say 48 hours, then I think you should go ahead and make the edit. Indicate your COI status in a simple way in the edit summary, for instance with "See COI disclosure on talkpage". What do you say, guys? Pinging {{ping|Justlettersandnumbers|Jbhunley|Widefox}} is this reasonable? ] &#124; ] 19:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::::::: I disagree with the idea she should go ahead and make the edit after 'some time', in fact if she does so she will very rapidly end up back at COIN. It can be easily gamed and most articles for hire will have very few, if any, page watchers. What she should do and what COI editors are told to do, is fill out an {{tl|edit request}}. The list of pages with edit requests is displayed at ]. If it is time critical she can post a message at COIN about the request. <p> While she may want to see action in a matter of days, she is the one getting paid not the ones assessing her requests. She should expect response times on the order of a week or so. If there is some critical matter {{ping|Penelope1114}} is welcome to {{tl|ping}} me <small><code><nowiki>{{ping|Jbhunley}}</nowiki></code></small> from the article talk page. My email notifications are on and, if I am able to, I will take a look at her {{tl|edit request}}. ]] 20:24, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::: I have filled out the paid coi template at ] properly as an example. Note employer = 'who is paying you' and client = 'on whose behalf you are making edits'. If they are the same <em>place the same name in both fields</em>. Also, use first <em>and</em> last names. Do not add anything like 'to edit the article to be factually accurate' or 'independent editor'. That is all public-relations dross and meaningless. You already <em>must</em> edit the article in a factually accurate NPOV way; You already <em>must</em> follow Misplaced Pages's rules; and you are <em>not</em> independent. So saying those things is either redundant or false. In neither case should they be in a disclosure. <p> Please now go and place proper disclosures on the article talk pages. You also should, in my rather firm opinion, also simply fill out a {{tl|paid}} on your <em>User:</em> page in the same way for each article. ]] 21:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::*PS I took a quick look at ] there is something going on between that article and ] which she has also been hired to work on. For some reason someone thought is appropriate to edit the article to include " In September 2015, ] reported that Genocchio had edited the content of this article to remove controversial material regarding her activities at the Hirshhorn and to add a laudatory statement."<small>Heil, E. washington Post, September 18, 2015.</small> so there is more than meets the eye going on here. ]] 20:33, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::: Just a minor point, in agreement with ]: there's a guide for "likely waits"..."no guarantee of response" for editors in response to a COI edit request at ] which details 1 week. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span>; ]</span> 21:16, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::::I'll try to answer all your questions.
	::::::::::1. I refer to myself as an independent Misplaced Pages editor because I am self employed and have offered to help folks who wanted to see their articles improved but did not want to do so because of COI and/or did not know how to navigate Misplaced Pages. I am not in this as a PR person. I edit independently from those who hire me, notifying them the entire time that all edits or now, proposed edits will be made adhering to the guidelines that run Misplaced Pages. That meaning, I will do my best to adhere to strictly factual, highly referenced, NPOV edits, etc. Sometimes I fail and I appreciate especially how ] and ] have pointed out where I can do better.
	::::::::::2. I thought I was complying by doing '''one of the following options''' as per the options being, a statement on the user page, a statement on the talk page accompanying any paid contributions, or a statement in the edit summary accompanying any paid contributions. I disclosed my COI on the talk pages for ] and ]. The pages I wrote a while back ], ] and ] were written and disclosed on my talk page, as I now understand needs to be the main user page(!), from the beginning. ], I was simply updating the format of my talk page and I think it looks much better. I am also happy to comply with best practices ], I only wanted your and others feedback on ].
	::::::::::3. I am happy to discuss the situation with ] and ]. They hired me to help improve their pages in a proper way. They themselves do not want to have anything to do with Misplaced Pages as per COI. They just hope to have factual information represented in their BLP articles instead of some nonfactual, damaging, potentially libelous sentences. written by gossip columnist is out there and is referenced currently on ]. A good example of why their articles need improvement can be seen in the ] section for Melissa Chiu. The section contains mostly negative references and does not provide much information about Chiu's position, the direction she is taking the museum, major curations, etc. That section does not offer a balanced POV.
	::::::::::Thanks for everyone's input. I appreciate it. ] (]) 22:03, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
	*{{ec}} (with above) @Bish - It is because of edits like which show the least possible compliance that people are continually posting on {{u|Penelope1114}}'s talk page. She added the last name and left the disclosure saying {{green|"Penelope1114 (talk · contribs) has been paid by Benjamin Genocchio to help make this article factually accurate while adhering to the guidelines for editing Misplaced Pages. Penelope1114 is an independent Misplaced Pages editor."}}. This stretches my AGF to the breaking point and I think it is past time she see that there is some teeth in our paid-coi policy and gets a bit of a time-out. ]] 22:07, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
	{{od}}Bishonen makes a fair point about the possible wait time before requested edits are looked at ({{u|Widefox}}, I suspect that in practice it may often be a good deal more than a week). Though ] is not as over-loaded as I had expected to find it, requests (like everything else that needs doing round here) are handled by volunteers. They get handled when someone gets round to it; and anyway, what's the hurry?
	My guess is that Bishonen's 48-hour wait idea would be unlikely to gain much support if it were proposed as a modification to our COI guidelines. It's one thing to say "you are '''strongly discouraged''' from editing articles where you have a COI", and quite another to say "you are '''strongly discouraged''' from editing articles where you have a COI – unless you wait a little while first". And unless the guidelines were radically changed, I believe I would in most cases revert such edits on sight. COI editors are discouraged from directly editing articles; but how? In practice there's only one way to discourage those edits, and that is to revert them.
	{{u|Penelope1114}} is a particular problem: her ] is a massive waste of everyone's time; more seriously, the material she proposes for addition is poorly written and dubiously sourced (at Benjamin Genocchio I had to remove a BLP violation, unsourced material, and a Misplaced Pages mirror used as a ref, all added – entirely in good faith – at her request). Any request she makes should be examined with the greatest care – another timesink! I don't know when a paid editor crosses the line into being considered ], but I note that {{u|Jbhunley}} seems to think it's been crossed here, and I'm inclined to agree. ] (]) 23:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
	:Yes, ], I have to agree she takes too much volunteer time. ], I understand your explanation of why you call yourself "independent". But you should also understand that ''in the context of Misplaced Pages'' it's misleading: self-employed or not, you're still dependent on the people who pay you. (There's nothing to stop you from explaining about being self-employed on your userpage, but it should be a separate and really explanatory section.) You're not independent ''here''. Please remove all statements where you call yourself "an independent editor". They're at best ambiguous and mysterious, and have no business at all on article talkpages. But I've already told you that. I'm flattered that you trust me, but I was hoping it would result in you taking my advice. I'm an unpaid volunteer too, and repeating this stuff is not the most fun I can have on Misplaced Pages. I now think I should give you the full version of the sentence from WP:COI I quoted above: ]. My italics. (BTW I'm going to bed now, it's night in my timezone. This had probably better be continued at WP:COIN, in fact. ] &#124; ] 23:32, 10 November 2015 (UTC).
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			== ] ==
			Look familiar? ] (]) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
	Thank you, ], that's very nice. Especially the mouth full of sweets! ] &#124; ] 16:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC).
			:]. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, ] (]) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
	== bish for arbcom? ==
			::Thanks, ]. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title ]. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. ] &#124; ] 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
			:::Hello @] I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks ] (]) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
			::::No, {{u|Idrisskunle}}, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in ] — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual wikipedia editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also . Thank you. ] &#124; ] 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
			::::: @] thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
			:::::once again thanks for your response im greatful. ] (]) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
			== Ah well ==
	it's that time of the year again!
	I say we elect Darwinbish to arbcom. bishzilla too busy pocketing users. -- ]<sup>] - ]</sup> 02:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
	:Oh, I think I've got a better idea: let's have 'zilla keep the entire little committee in her pocket, and keep 'em in order. Perhaps consider adding special pocket annexe, or lean-to, with round table, for their cute deliberations. Without catflap — don't want 'em scarpering and running around the project! And very nice to see you on my page again ], you've been quite a stranger. ] &#124; ] 03:16, 12 November 2015 (UTC).
	::"Without Catflap?" I'm shocked at your blatant attempt to unduly influence ]! ] (]) 04:20, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::All right, without rope ladder, then. ] &#124; ] 08:26, 12 November 2015 (UTC).
	::::]. High time she had her own sock!''] ] '']'' ] 08:29, 12 November 2015 (UTC).
			I tried.
	::yeah, I kinda burned out, plus RL stuff, job, school, and herding cats on an Internet forum. I still hop on from time to time, make a few edirts, beat backa few vandals. -- ]<sup>] - ]</sup> 04:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::You should try herding evil fish some time! ] '']'' ] 08:29, 12 November 2015 (UTC).
	::::that's kinda like working retail. -- ]<sup>] - ]</sup> 00:51, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
	:]
	] 19:03, 13 November 2015 (UTC)]]
			Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
			:Not much you can do with a pure troll, ]. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? ] &#124; ] 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
			::Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
			== Block evading ==
	Sit in Victorian parlor, little Confederate guerilla! Hang out with Bigfoot, have some tea! ] from ]'s page, but can't go there today — all girls banned! Giano may fear being tempted by Bishzilla sexiness!''] ] ] 19:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC).
	::Yep, sorry Sweatheart, you too are banned from my talk page. Apparently, I am a danger to womankind - I suppose it's a certain Latin charm and all those hours spent in the gym. Whatever, it seems it's entirely my fault that no women edit wikipedia (apart from you, of course, and about 4 million others). Therefore, I'm becoming a virtual cyber celibate, and then Misplaced Pages will suddenly blossom into a green garden of butterflies and pretty maidens editing. Oh vomit! It's just all too silly for words. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]</span> ] 19:46, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
			The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address ] ] (]) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
	== ==
			:] seems to be related to the ip ] (]) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
	] -] 17:47, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
			:Blocked both. Thank you. ] &#124; ] 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
			:PS, please take any further information to ANI, , rather than to my page. ] &#124; ] 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
			== Email ==
			{{You've got mail}} ] (]) 07:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
	== Jakeleereed ==
			== Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of ] ==
	{{vandal|Jakeleereed}}
			Hi Bishonen, {{noping|CharlesWain}} has violated 3RR in the article on ] in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
	... is back. {{ipvandal|208.54.4.204}} <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;">]</span> <sup>''] ''</sup> 02:44, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
	:Thank you! What a stubborn character, and, with the earlier 208.54.4.246, what a nice blockable tiny range. I've blocked 208.54.4.192/24, which is slightly more than covers the two IPs we have so far, for a month; I really doubt anything useful is likely to come from it. Please let me know if it turns out more is needed. ] &#124; ] 10:49, 13 November 2015 (UTC).
			:They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - ] (]) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
	==Help==
			:Why did you use <nowiki>{{noping|}}</nowiki> template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as ] violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this edit. ] (]) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
	I am trying to improve ] and have added some info and references. Can you please refer me to someone who can help in peer review of the article. Thanks -- Pankaj Jain ''] <span class="plainlinks">(] '''·''' ] '''·''' )</span>'' 04:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
	:I'm sorry, I don't know. You probably know more about Indian editors than I do. Just pick somebody or -bodies with a good reputation. ] &#124; ] 10:53, 13 November 2015 (UTC).		::Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, ], as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making ''more'' than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the <nowiki>{{noping}}</nowiki> template here was not appropriate. ] &#124; ] 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
			:::Noted. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
	==An unintended grin==		== Hmmmm ==
	Hi Bish. I know you were just performing a normal admin duty but the thought that the mafia needs is a delightful irony. It gave me a chuckle and that is a good way to head into the weekend. I hope that yours is enjoyable. ]&#124;] 18:36, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
	:It was simply an offer they couldn't refuse. ] &#124; ] 18:46, 13 November 2015 (UTC).
	::That is excellent - and thus the chuckles increase. Cheers. ]&#124;] 20:23, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
			I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar).
	== ArbComm? ==
			Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ ] (]) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
			:Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by ] into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. ] &#124; ] 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
			== ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message ==
	You know you want to. --] (] · ] · ]) 16:34, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
	:+1 <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]</span> ] 16:38, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
	::Yes, ]. &mdash;]''']''' 16:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::Yes. ] (]) 21:19, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
	: I would not ''wish'' it on you, but if it was of your own choosing, then I would surely support it. (BTW - I like your heart better than the ribbon I chose. Very nice, but very sad.) Best always. (and my very best regards to the honorable Giano) — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 17:06, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
	]! ] &#124; ] 20:31, 14 November 2015 (UTC).]]
	:::Thank you Ched. Apparently they are looking to increase the number of womenfolk on the Arbcom, so you may as well have a go. They certainly need someone with some common sense and experience of writing here. Looking at some of the candidates so far, one's heart does not soar like a lark, but festers like a sore. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]</span> ] 18:11, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
	*(Where's your ribbon, ]?) ArbCom no, I'm not motivated. The disadvantages seem to outweigh the perks by a mile. But it's about time people started to ask, I must say! I get huffy if nobody asks! Also, the people in this thread would all be an adornment to the committee, but especially ] and ], because I do feel the committee needs a non-admin or two. Mind you, if you run and get elected, I expect you'd find yourselves forcibly adminned, because it's just impractical for an arb to not be able to see deleted pages and such. But that's something else — you could remain non-admins at heart. Come on, self-nom page is ]! Hey, check it out, suddenly ] is on there, how cool is that! Drmies, be careful, you'll sweep the board, you know! Then what're you gonna do! ] &#124; ] 20:18, 14 November 2015 (UTC).
	::Have you seen the discussion at ] and Jimbo's page? I don't see why anyone elected to the committee who isn't an Admin shouldn't be given the tools. ] (]) 21:49, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::My days of hoping to be an Arb are long gone. Even if there were enough people to vote for me, I wouldn't trust the Foundation with my initials, lat alone my name and address. Have you seen the type of people they employ? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]</span> ] 20:25, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
	:: is my ribbon, but I'll likely replace that with yours. Giano - you don't have to even supply an address, or even a "real" name: See: . I went through that "Phabricator" thing, and the most it did was require a valid email address. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 20:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::Oh, right. I missed your ribbon because it's not French. It's a little unfortunate that my heart (not the lark, but the French heart up top) comes from the ]. But I still rather like it. ] &#124; ] 20:36, 14 November 2015 (UTC).
	::No, seriously, I looked at it a few years ago - they practically want a scan of one's passport. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]</span> ] 20:32, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::I think I sent a copy of my driver's license (well, I borrowed a DL from a student who needed to pass a class) a couple of years ago, when I was gonna be a Trustee and get an expense account. So far no one has asked me for anything so I assume I'm still good. {{U|Giano}}, I think non-admins have to sent copies of two IDs, plus a stool sample of course. ] (]) 21:21, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::Ah, that explains why so many people have been posting stool samples to Arbcom members this year. Oddly, they usually forgot to include the ID's... -- ] (]) 23:02, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
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	], the lede paragraph which has been reverted to is entirely self-interested opinion, with not a single source cited. And it completely ignores the explicit factual findings of multiple courts- who are the legitimate triers of fact. Neither it is consensus, since I and others disagree with it, and have said so on the talk page.
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	There's no question here that Misplaced Pages is simply unaware of what the neutral and objective facts of this case are. I have provided them. With citations attached to my edit, and, additionally on the talk page, direct verbatim quotations. Rather, you are knowingly allowing a de facto public relations proxy with an ax to grind to suppress the findings of fact made by the South African courts. This is not to Misplaced Pages's credit. You should revert the fair, neutral, and salient edit which I provided, or, alternatively, you should delete the article entirely if you're unable to provide a factual/neutral article. But to allow an article titled "Murder of Anni Dewani" to function as a platform for a public relations manifesto is disgraceful.] (]) 16:50, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
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	:You have not been banned for misstating facts per se, but for warring to present them in the lede in an ] way (in September and again today) that implies Shrien Dewani's guilt. Organizing facts in a certain manner to make a certain implication is not neutral, let alone "fair" or "salient" (well, I'm not sure about the "salient" part, because I'm unsure what you mean by the word). There has never been any question, in a court or out of it, of anybody else hiring the assassins, as you well know. See ]. Your slow edit war to insert a lede that states it was a murder for hire, and thereby hints Shrien Dewani is guilty, after he has been found innocent in a court of law, is a BLP violation that could get the Wikimedia Foundation in hot water legally. Naturally the accusations about murder for hire should be mentioned in the body of the article, but placing them ''in the manner you have done'' in the lede gives them ]. In the two months since you first inserted your preferred lede (twice) you haven't made any progress that I can see towards getting consensus for it; and yet you inserted it again today, word for word, with the same edit summary. Therefore, I decline your request for an unban. Since this is an arbitration enforcement ban per , I suggest you appeal it at ]. You can also appeal at ] or ], if you prefer. ] &#124; ] 18:23, 14 November 2015 (UTC).
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	:::], my edit of the lede paragraph is not unbalanced. It is a neutral summary of the salient facts of the topic. By "salient" I mean facts which are fundamental to an accurate understanding of the "Murder of Anni Dewani". It may be a fact that the victim's dress was fashioned from linen and silk. However that is not a salient fact. It is a trivial one and there is no justification for including it. The fact (and it is indeed a proven fact, as found by MULTIPLE courts, and not merely an "accusation") that Anni Hindocha was killed by a hired assassin carrying out a planned hit IS salient. And there is no justification for excluding this fact from an article which has any pretense to accuracy and balance. For clearly this goes directly to the "Five W's" (which, as Misplaced Pages will tell you, are the basic questions that MUST be answered for any story to be complete).
	:::So it is the currently published article which is unbalanced and unduly weighted. As it handwaves away most of the relevant and salient findings of fact about the article's topic and resorts instead to opinion-based editorializing and rhetoric. Now, I'm sure no one would quibble were such to be contained in a publicity agent's spin-doctored press release. Everyone knows that's what press releases do. However that is not, as I understand it, what Misplaced Pages articles are supposed to do.
	:::If Misplaced Pages is so worried that truthfully reporting the salient facts of a topic will get it sued, at worst you should just delete the article entirely rather than allow it to not only suppress those facts but, at the same, disseminate biased, self-serving opinions that are belied by the facts you are suppressing. It would be better if you told the truth in the article. If you're not willing to tell the truth, it would be better for Misplaced Pages to say nothing rather than lie by omission. Anni Hindocha and her family have suffered enough. You should not permit them to be further victimized by offering up Misplaced Pages as a platform for polemics and propaganda that ignore the South African courts findings of fact about the "Murder of Anni Dewani".] (]) 09:24, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::My answer stands. You've done a good deal of ignoring yourself, such as my point about balance, due weight, and ''implication''. It's been made to you several times before, on the article talkpage, and you simply don't seem willing to engage with it. For more eyes, please take your appeal to one of the boards I have indicated. There's little point in persisting here on my page. ] &#124; ] 10:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::::], I addressed balance and due weight. I ignored "implication" because it's a absurd argument for a number of reasons. For brevity, I'll only mention one: something like "acquitted of the charges, even though he probably did it" would be implying guilt. OTOH, stating, as I did, someone was acquitted of charges due to insufficient evidence does NOT imply they were guilty of those charges. It's simply fairly reporting the facts. For that essentially precisely mirrors the wording the judge used in her judgment. Incidentally, many news outlets reported the decision in a manner similar to my offering.
	:::::The current article on the "Murder of Anni Dewani" is exploiting Anni Dewani's name, and I find that unconscionable. Hopefully, I can get it corrected on one of the boards you introduced me to. If not, I'll be content that there is a record that the obvious biases in the article had been brought to Misplaced Pages's attention. One final question, and then I'll move on: assume- strictly hypothetically- that it were true that: a) multiple courts have explicitly found it is a fact that Anni Dewani's killing was a murder for hire which was staged to appear as a random carjacking in order to conceal the fact it was contract killing, b) no court has ever ruled or found as fact that it was NOT a contract killing. If (a) and (b), hypothetically, were true, are you willing to assert that the current "Murder of Anni Dewani" article is fair and balanced and written from an unbiased, neutral point of view?] (]) 08:54, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::] How about including other ''salient'' facts in your little hypothetical? (c) The two key witnesses who told the "murder for hire" story in the S V Mngeni trial, turned out to be self confessed liars and repeat perjurers. Puts a very different complexion on the findings of that court. Renders those findings worthless, and in fact makes them no longer ''salient''. That is why the later court (S V Dewani) explicitly excluded "murder for hire" when the judgement declared ''"It is clear that Mr. Tongo, Mr. Qwabe and Mr. Mngeni (and Mr. Mbolombo) acted in execution of a common purpose to commit at least the offences of kidnapping and robbery and possibly also other offences".'' There is no ambiguity there. The "murder for hire" story was not proven and was not regarded as factual by the court. If the court did not seee fit to ascribe credibility to the "murder for hire" claim, then why would Misplaced Pages present it differently? The effect would be to grossly mislead readers whilst implying that the crime was a contract killing. We know that this was not the case and that it was a robbery/kidnapping that got out of hand. Three of the four conspirators admitted as much in their initial confessions. There is no consensus for your viewpoint, and no consensus for your ridiculous suggestions that the article is somehow "exploitative" of Anni Dewani's name. ] (]) 08:31, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::As for your continued false claims that "''multiple''" courts have found the crime to be a a "murder for hire", this has been explained to you many times. There were ''not'' multiple judgments that made such a finding. The convictions of both Qwabe and Tongo occured as a result of Section 105A plea hearings. No judgement was made in either case and no evidence was heard. The court documents were simply formalisations of a plea deal reached between the criminals and the National Prosecuting Authority. Those plea deals were based solely on the later discredited versions of events given by those same criminals and were not verified or tested in any way, let alone subjected to proper cross examination and scrutiny. The NPA and court took the word of the criminals and signed off on the deal. That leaves the finding in S V Mngeni. In this matter, the court did in fact convict Mngeni on the basis that the "murder for hire" story was grounded in truth, the judgement based largely on the testimony of two key witnesses - Qwabe and Mbolombo - who were later found to have perjured themselves. This is all detailed and verifiable in the court's judgement in S v Dewani, where the "murder for hire" story was dismantled and shown to be fiction. ] (]) 08:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::], there's not much point in continuing to comment on this here on my page. You may as well keep your gunpowder dry for when/if Lane99 appeals the ban at one of the aforementioned noticeboards. ] &#124; ] 14:30, 18 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::::::::Sorry. Will cease. Just thought that if Lane99 wanted to throw silly hypotheticals at you, he should not omit ''salient'' facts! ] (]) 14:38, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::]. Dodge noted. And not unexpected. For you couldn't really answer the question truthfully without it leading inescapably to proving my point- that Misplaced Pages's article is rigged and biased. And shame on Misplaced Pages for rubbing salt in the wounds of a murder victim's grieving family by, knowingly, permitting a deceitful article to be published under that victim's name.] (]) 19:21, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
	::<small>{{tps}} = "worthy of note, pertinent or relevant". ] ] 18:31, 14 November 2015 (UTC)</small>:::As a user that has followed the edits at Anni Dewanis article for several months, I have to say that I fully support this topic ban for the user in question. The edit warring has been going on too long. --] (]) 20:44, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
	] Could you please clarify the implications of being "topic banned". Specifically, if someone is "topic banned" are they still permitted to edit the Talk page of the topic in question? I ask because ] is still attempting to insert his BLP violating rhetoric onto the article's Talk page. ] (]) 13:41, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
	==Question==
	Did you read the exchange over at ]? After the AfD for the ] article things did get very heated over at the article's talk-page. I am kind of curious what you would have done to defuse the situation? - ] (]) 05:02, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
	:I had not read any of that before I unblocked, no. It was enough for me to see an admin warning the user against further personal attacks, and then blocking them without any further attacks having been perpetrated. (Incidentally, I misspoke when I said Sitush hadn't edited the page again after the warning; he had; I missed it. But he hadn't made any attacks, so I stand by my unblock.) How would I have tried to defuse it? The usual, I suppose: making a speech, closing the hottest thread, telling a few of the people not to post on each other's pages, asking everybody to take a break away from the computer and have a cup of tea and submit a selfie of themselves drinking/making the tea privately to me by e-mail or face an indefinite siteban… like that, the usual. Defusing is hard. You can't talk to strangers of unknown age as if they're children; being an admin doesn't mean being a parent. I sure as hell wouldn't have done it by blocking any editors. ] &#124; ] 10:31, 16 November 2015 (UTC).
	::My paws wont handle the boss's iPad, so no pics. I like builders tea, with lots of milk and no sugar. The boss prefers the same, with just a splash. -] ] 11:36, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::I love builders' tea! I was in England for a couple of years in the seventies, and I've been making it ever since. My friends look askance at the barbarism. :-) ] &#124; ] 13:25, 16 November 2015 (UTC).
	::Fair enough, thank you for answering my question. - ] (]) 14:36, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
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	:Doesn't specify who created the content? I'm not surprised. It was in 2004! I was eight! Well, maybe a little older. But I was very new on Misplaced Pages. Today, eleven years later, I really, really have no idea. You'd better delete it, ]. Unless you can find the copyright holder yourself? ] &#124; ] 23:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC).
	:: It is {{tl|PD-art}}, so I found a suitable source. - ] ] 23:34, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
	::: That's a wp mirror. The Comical Revenge, or Love in a Tub, 1715 engraving, Montague Summers, Restoration Theatre (1934), Plate X - ''The Comical Revenge; or, Love in a Tub, a comedy by Sir George Etherege, produced at Lincoln's Inn Fields, March, 1664. The scene represented is Act IV, Scene 6. The engraving is taken from an edition of 1715 in the author's Collection.'' A higher resolution image can be seen (Corbis is notorious for "licensing" public domain works.) This illustration appears as the frontispiece for the 1723 and 1735 editions. http://i.imgur.com/zkV1WiL.jpg, http://i.imgur.com/t3QiZsl.jpg The illustrator is ]. ] (]) 18:41, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
	== Courtesy notice ==
	Hi Bishonen. Just a note to let you know I mentioned you in a thread at the main drama board: ]. It's about some ne'er do well IPs -- ] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> (]) 04:57, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
	:Please see notice at top of this page; I can't go there. But I'll take a look (through binoculars). ] &#124; ] 05:34, 18 November 2015 (UTC).
	== DudeWithAFeud ==
	Eh, just thought I'd "assume good faith" for once :) He only made those two redirects as far as I tell. ] (]) 19:26, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
	:No, he has made more; look at his deleted contribs. But what worries me is that there may be more, not deleted, out there. That's why I threatened him about coming clean. ] &#124; ] 19:40, 18 November 2015 (UTC).
	::Because it's BLP-related, I looked through all of their undeleted page creations to see if there were more. There are multiple dumb redirects from unlikely misspellings (for example, ] --> ]), and lots of unlikely chemistry misspellings (]) - I started deleting these, but then realized it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, and was a waste of my time, and stopped. There was only one that I thought was problematic, not in a BLP way, but in a political POV way: ] --> ]. No one calls it that. --] (]) 20:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
	== Your long ago block of self-admitted sock Paway2 ==
	Back as another self-admitted sock ]. See edit history for more. ] (]) 03:24, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
	:See, this is the trouble with all the different timezones. That ] or whatever his name is probably saw your note while I was asleep, and blocked the sock. (My sock! Reported to me!). Just kidding, ]. Thanks for reporting. Sock blocked. ] &#124; ] 11:41, 19 November 2015 (UTC).
	::Sorry, meant to comment that I did that here, but forgot. I'm down to about 17 seconds of short term memory now. -- ] ] 11:47, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::I love your new name, ], hope you do too! ] &#124; ] 14:59, 19 November 2015 (UTC).
	::::Didn't seem worth opening an SPI when I knew you had been online fairly recently. ] (]) 17:53, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::Absolutely not worth an SPI. And this page is pretty well-watched while I sleep. ] &#124; ] 17:59, 19 November 2015 (UTC).
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	Oreos! Thank you! I've never had an oreo (not being American). Yours aren't bad! ] &#124; ] 09:05, 20 November 2015 (UTC).
	:Oreos pale in comparison to . Just ask any charitable American, it's the best intersection of philanthropy and gluttony. &mdash;]''']''' 11:52, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
	::Apparently not only that, ], but following your link I learn that "purchasing a box of Thin Mints — our round, mint-flavored cookies with a delicious chocolaty coating — helps a girl learn money management." Not what I expected, but it sounds like an excellent side effect of eating cookies. I'll try it and see! ] &#124; ] 14:35, 20 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::If the {{U|Drmies|good doctor}} gets a break from campaigning, he might be around to sell you some. You can ensure that MissMies learns money management. &mdash;]''']''' 16:01, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::I have an entire case of Girl Guide mint cookies in my pantry. They're $5 CAD per box but totally worth it in my opinion (as opposed to the classic chocolate/vanilla ones my ] sells in the spring).--]<sup>]</sup> 20:35, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::My ] eats them all herself. :-( ] &#124; ] 16:17, 22 November 2015 (UTC).
	== Question ==
	I would kinda like stuff I put last year on my user page to be revdeled (is that the right word?). Not my user talk page, the user page. Is this possible? ] (]) 20:16, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
	:Sure. But if this concerns your privacy, don't specify here what it is you would like removed; e-mail me. ] &#124; ] 21:23, 22 November 2015 (UTC).
	::{{You've got mail}}
	:::Haven't used the email feature before so in case I goofed and you get nothing tell me. ] (]) 21:46, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::In fact, you goofed and I got nothing, ]. ;-) I've e-mailed you now. Hopefully you've received it and can just reply. ] &#124; ] 23:35, 22 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::::It aint a day till you goof at least once. I usually reach at least twice. Think I have responded. :) ] (]) 23:49, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::Sure. Got it and replied. ] &#124; ] 23:51, 22 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::::::Some providers like yahoo don't work with sending WP email, so if your email id is from them you get a notification that the email has been sent but the recipient will not get it. There's probably a post on this at one of the pumps. &mdash;]''']''' 02:53, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
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	:And so is Bishzilla, I see. Cool. ] &#124; ] 17:02, 23 November 2015 (UTC).
	::Too bad you're not running, Bish. I would have !voted for you... ] ] 18:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::Remember: One 'zilla One Vote! ] (]) 00:31, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::but we're not !voting, we're actually voting. does it still count? -- ]<sup>] - ]</sup> 00:48, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
	*Glad to see you are voting to oppose all, same as me. I just oppose the system and this is the only way I can see change happening. ] - ] 17:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
	:*Er.. that was Darwinbish. I'm supporting a few people. ] &#124; ] 18:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC).
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	::: I ], one withdrew. Thanks to all who help here, with pumpkin pie and music, - thanksgiving is a good idea any date ;) Special thanks to ] for the diligent GA review of the music ;) --] (]) 11:12, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	== ] ==
	]
	You recently blocked this IP for edit warring on ]. I see the article has now been semi-protected, which IMHO makes the block superfluous, plus some of the other participants in the edit war have . Can we entertain an unblock? I could decline the current request as it doesn't address the reasons for the block, but I suspect this would just lead to another unblock request and perhaps a few custard pies thrown in my direction for good measure. ] ] ] 12:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
	:You do see them evading the block with other IPs, right? And their singularly unpromising comments on their page? I'd frankly like to keep the individual out of Misplaced Pages for a longer time, if it was possible — but it's not. As for unblocking the particular IP, sure, go ahead. You don't mind custard pies, do you? Have one (splat!). ] &#124; ] 15:16, 25 November 2015 (UTC).
	::I do, and I do, but sometimes it's worth considering a slightly unconventional route if it reduces the drama level a bit, and I think leaving the article locked will sort everything out in the long run. I don't know about you, but I need a new arbcom case like the price of beer going up again, to be honest. (PS: Any chance of some ice cream for the pie, though?) ] ] ] 15:41, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::Sorry, you'll have to put the icecream on your face yourself, I don't have any handy. I'll buy you a beer if they do take it to ArbCom. And a keg if a case is accepted. And an ocean of beer if either you or I need to write "statements" or "evidence" for such a putative case. It's a ridiculous notion. Almost as ridiculous as the notion that I'm "too close" to ] to block an edit warring IP. ] &#124; ] 15:54, 25 November 2015 (UTC).
	]
	::*Hey, incidentally, ], as long as you're here, were you talking to Worm or Kevin with ? Kevin responded — I think — but the threading — you know, your colons — looked like you were addressing Worm. ] &#124; ] 16:33, 25 November 2015 (UTC).
	::::It was Kevin I was addressing, and he did respond. I am concerned he is busy digging his own grave on Misplaced Pages :-( ] ] ] 16:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
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	== Your Edit Warring Block ==
	] There is currently a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you.
	:Thank you. Please sign your talkpage posts. I'm banned from ANI, see the top of this page, so I won't be responding there. I'm quite happy to leave it to others, in any case. They can surely find their way to the IP's talkpage, and all they need to know is on there. ] &#124; ] 18:21, 25 November 2015 (UTC).
	::The issue at ANI has been dealt with. --] (]) 18:55, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::Thanks, Kudpung. ] &#124; ] 19:15, 25 November 2015 (UTC).
	==A most useful and perceptive insight into the 2015 Arbcom elections==
	My dear darling Mrs Bishonen, how are you - well I hope? I do so admire your fortitude and stamina, I just hope when I get to your age, I have the same strengths and brain cells - although they do say that brain cells decline at about a million a second after the age of 80, so I do admire you so much. Why am I here, when I'm so busy and important, I hear you ask. Well I'm after a teensy favour, my very much demanded ] is ready for consumption, and you and your guests here are so clever, you'll know what to do with it - no, not give it an award - I merely want it put in the public domain like the other less perceptive and informed guides. Now do take care of yourself, there's no need to be embarrassed if you need to wrap yourself in a blanket when you go out in your bath chair, it's so cold in that nasty country of yours at the moment. Much love. ] (]) 18:48, 25 November 2015 (UTC) (currently in the Cayman Islands)
	:Right. I'll put it in the category. Floquenbeam transcluded mine to the voter guide template (sorry to use these advanced technical terms, they are quite normal to me). I'll try to figure out what he did. ] &#124; ] 19:15, 25 November 2015 (UTC).
	::Done. Now one and all can benefit from your insights. ] &#124; ] 19:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::Perhaps template edits are best left to Rexx? I've fixed it this time, but you generally never know whether I'll be around or not. --] (]) 19:37, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::It's Gloquenspiel again. I beg to differ, you seem to be everywhere! ] &#124; ] 19:39, 25 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::::A remarkable document. I believe a copy should be sent to every household, as was the late ]s stirring letter of encouragement upon the outbreak of the last great war. I trust this inspiring work would have the same stiffening effect on morale, and to help readers better reflect on quite what we are fighting for. Or indeed voting for. With great respect. Simon. ] (]) 19:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::True every word of it. (I'm assuming you clicked on Bishzilla's guide by mistake.) ] &#124; ] 19:56, 25 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::::::Ah. ] (]) 20:15, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::Bishonen! I'm thinking the fine Lady Catherine de Burgh may <s><small>be off her rocker</small></s> ah I mean <s><small> er, no I mean off her meds</small></s> not be feeling well?--] 04:24, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::::Of course I'm unwell, you ], I wouldn't be editing Misplaced Pages if I was well would I? Most editors here are grossly unwell - some are even completely bonkers. One Arbcom candidate is even a miracle of medical science. ] (]) 17:40, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::::::Please forgive my lowly peon commentary...it is rare that I can converse with near royalty as such majesty rarely ventures forth into untamed wilderness such as Misplaced Pages.--] 18:23, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::Nah, just feeling her oats. ] &#124; ] 09:29, 26 November 2015 (UTC).
	:::::::::{{U|The Lady Catherine de Burgh}} doesn't feel anything. 'They' have never made a single mainspace edit in two years and are most likely the bad-hand sock of another account. ] (]) 10:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::::::I can assure you {{U|Kudpung}} that editing mainspace is not something done by people of refinement such as myself. You will find this approach is taken by most members of the Arbcom and a fair few Admins. Like many others, I am here to share my wisdom and wise opinions, not display my education in a vulgar fashion. If you hadn't realised these basic Misplaced Pages facts. you'll find life on the Arbcom très difficult indeed. Do you see our esteemed Mr Wales writing articles for the common general public? No, you do not! ] (]) 11:54, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::I fully realise it is difficult for we humble editors living in ]s to appreciate what the ''nouveau-riche'' socialites like Lady Catherine get up to, but I'm sure I could dig out a reliable source or two that clearly shows the upper-middle class far prefer the maid to do grotty things like article copyediting and adding {{tl|refimprove}} tags.<ref>{{cite book|url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lpySR5C1kuoC&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244|title=Dilbert and the Way of the Weasel|first=Scott|last=Adams|publisher=Pan Macmillan|p=244|year=2003|isbn=978-0-752-21559-4}}</ref> Indeed, I believe m'Lady actually fired a maid for not following up on those tags back in 2007, and they ]! ] ] ] 12:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::::Her maid? A bit of a faux pas there, young ]. Lady Catherine's maid (and her au pair and her dog walker) have other jobs. Mundane Misplaced Pages tasks such as content creation are seen to by her social and diary secretary, ]. Naturally. ] &#124; ] 17:48, 26 November 2015 (UTC).
	::::::::::::::::*Furthermore,], and another very large faux pas on your part: Her Ladyship is not "nouveau-riche". Her illustrious family, the Scrotums, are mentioned in both the ] and ]. In fact, there has been a Scrotum at every major world event since ] ruled East Anglia. So please redact your post! ] (]) 20:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::::I take it you're not familiar with the Lady then.....] (] '''·''' ]) 10:55, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::*See, that's where you're wrong, ]. She's the ''good''-hand sock of an obnoxious user who'd be embarrassed to show so much wisdom and humanity in propria persona. ] &#124; ] 11:01, 26 November 2015 (UTC).
	::::::::::*Her nephew must be aghast at the notion of being called the black sheep of the family. &mdash;]''']''' 12:40, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
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			Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug . ] (]) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
	I had a hunch and reported the user. I was not aware of the actual meaning. After seeing your block level; i had to know the meaning of "Fap for" --<strong><span style="font-family: 'AR DESTINE'">] ]</span></strong> 16:34, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
			:: <small> sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself ] (]) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC) </small>
	:So, did you try the Urban Dictionary, ]? I never saw your report, actually, sorry about that. I noticed the username when I glanced at the . It actually looked as if a couple of admins had missed it, since a few other obscene usernames registered around the same time had been quickly blocked before I looked. Very educational, the user creation log. Occasionally I notice objectionable names in my own language, and I bet indefs like puzzle people (don't ask, and yes, I now know it's a band also, but it's not going to be a username on en-wiki on my watch). Anyway, thanks for keeping an eye out! ] &#124; ] 17:08, 26 November 2015 (UTC).
			:I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. ] (]) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
			::And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. ] (]) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::Yeah, I know, thanks, ]. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. ] &#124; ] 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
			::::I've got it. --] (]) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
			::::{{tq|I'm a slow little old lady.}} No one says that about you as far as you know. ] (]) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
	== Thanks ==		== Past disagreements ==
			We've had disagreements both here- and not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. ] (]) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
	Thanks very much regarding . I try not to get hot under the collar about vandalism but there was something really rather depressing about this. Thanks again - best wishes ] (]) 21:16, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
	:Yeah, quite depressing, I agree. When I stumble on that kind of stuff, I'm always rather pleased to notice the hammer in my hand. (Wham!) Thanks for reporting. ] &#124; ] 21:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC).		:], I've done what I intend to do about that ]. I've no further comment. ] &#124; ] 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
			== I'm always coming to you for advice ==
	== Dewani again ==
			The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article . That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see ), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me , in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to ], who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of ]'s many, many socks (see ). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.
	I suggest you might look at the edits thereon - including edits by Lane99, "Advocate BG" and an IP each of whom appear to be disproportionately desirous of pushing what might be a POV as the murder being "proven" as a "murder-for-hire". Was the sanction on Lane99 vacated? ] (]) 20:44, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
	:Certainly not. Time to block. I'll consider the socking issue separately. Thanks for the heads up. ] &#124; ] 22:09, 30 November 2015 (UTC).
			Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. ] (]) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
	== One of my friends is missing! ==
			: Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. ] (]) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
			::What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for ''how long'' such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.
			::Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. ] &#124; ] 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
	Where has that ] gone? I know she pops in here from time to time, for a glass of wine and rubber of bridge, but she seems to have gone missing. I don't like missing people - it takes me back to when one of our housemaids went missing in the shooting lodge, and we didn't find her until the grouse shooting started the next year - it was all very inconvenient. I don't normally care for Chihuahuas (nasty yappy little things), but I quite like her - so where is she? ] (]) 17:50, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
			:::For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
			:::While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. ] ] 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
			::::It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is ''not'' Leonid. – ] 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. ] &#124; ] 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
			:::I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor ''intentionally'' attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. ] (]) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
			::::In that case, I've revdel'd. ], do you wish to oversight? ] &#124; ] 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
			:::::Done. – ] 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
			::::::Thanks. ] &#124; ] 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
	== A barnstar for you! ==		== A barnstar for you! ==
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	|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Blocking a user who, after only two posts, appeared to be a troll, and removing trolling from my talk page. ] (]) 00:02, 4 December 2015 (UTC)		|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For dealing with a nasty case of racist, anti-semitic vandalism. ] ] ] 05:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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			*Oh, wow, thank you, ]. "Dealing with" sounds so masterful; I mainly messed it up. Relieved I got it right in the end. The credit goes to ]! ] &#124; ] 10:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
			*:@] Well, in the end, you did your best, teamwork happened, and everything turned out well. Good job all around! {{smiley}} ] ] ] 19:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
			== Your view on Mauryan Map ==
	*No problem, ]. Sometimes they're easy to identify! ] &#124; ] 21:25, 4 December 2015 (UTC).
			Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @] ] (]) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
	== Thank you ==
			:I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. ] &#124; ] 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
			::understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. ] (]) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
			== November music ==
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			greetings from a trip -- ] (]) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
			:Aw, ]. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (''Defiantly:'') But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! ] &#124; ] 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
			:: Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang ] at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --] (]) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
			==You've got mail!==
	:+1, ] (]) 15:27, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
			{{You've got mail|subject=|ts=04:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)}}
	::No problem, protecting is easy (as well as being a blunt tool). I wish I could figure out how to block an IPv6 range such as the one your guest posts from. See me making an effort : pathetic, I'm afraid. ] &#124; ] 16:06, 6 December 2015 (UTC).
			<span style="padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:-1px">] <span style=color:red>F</span> ]</span> 04:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
			:Replied and actioned. ] &#124; ] 09:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC).
			== My topic ban ==
	== ] socks ==
			You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.
	New socks ] and ] are obviously the same editing any pop song pages as previous sock ]. (I think he/she is not doing rock band album or song pages, as well as ].) ] (]) 23:44, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
	:], could you please ask another admin, or report directly to ]? I don't know the sockmaster and I'm no good with the kind of articles. Sorry. ] &#124; ] 23:50, 6 December 2015 (UTC).
			And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"
	== ] ==
			1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.
	You shouldn't give up on this user, who is clearly a sockpuppet of '''''somebody'''''. The cartoon/animation subject area is lousy with them. ] (]) 04:32, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
	:But I have such a low boredom threshold these days... did you see the contribs? Oh, very well, I'll watch the user talk, at least. Their removing my post as harassive wasn't a really good sign. Real newbies don't do things like that a lot. (They do blank their pages, but not so much with ridiculous, or any, edit summaries.) Do you have a notion of who the master might be? Also, ], did you ping them on purpose? They can't post here. Not autoconfirmed. ] &#124; ] 11:29, 7 December 2015 (UTC).
	::No, the ping was a slip of the mind (too frequent these days, alas). ] (]) 21:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::You know the useful <nowiki>{{noping}}</nowiki> template? ] &#124; ] 21:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC).
	::::No, I did not, so thanks for pointing it out. Concerning HomerS, MarnetteD pointed out to me that it might be , who has used similar handles. I'm also keeping an eye on CartoonFan97. ] (]) 22:58, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
			2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)
	You shouldn't keep sticking your nose were it doesn't belong BMK, I've read up a history of you and you gave others users a hard time on here, not just me. Don't listen to him Bishonen. I've done nothing to him at all, I didn't say any threats to him, swears, or anything else. He's trying to frame me and cause trouble. He does this to user's all the time. ] (]) 04:38, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
			3) edit warring - @] has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.
	{{out}}@Bishonen: Here's an interesting coincidence:
			He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)
	*CartoonFan97 (talk | contribs) (Created on 28 November 2015 at 18:59) ''first edit: 18:28, 3 December 2015''
	*HomerSimpson543 (talk | contribs) (Created on 28 November 2015 at 19:16) ''first edit: 22:09, 4 December 2015''
			He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).
	There's also the use by HS543 of "our" and "us" instead of "my" and "me".
			4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). ] (]) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
	] (]) 08:03, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
			:Topic ban immediately violated . ] (]) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Take a look at some of the other accounts created in that general time period:
			::That topic box was started before my topic ban ] (]) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, ]. Please read ] more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries '''and your own user and talk pages'''. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. '''That is not allowed''', as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
			:::When I see you went to ] and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read ] at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. ] &#124; ] 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
			::::I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
			::::But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
			::::I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. ] (]) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
			:*'''Vandalism/Disruptive edits'''
			:- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]]
			:-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]</nowiki>
			:-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
			:*'''Bad Faith'''
			:- ], no idea how this is bad faith.
			:*'''Original Research'''
			:-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
			:- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
			:- Even my current article ] is getting called 'original research'.
			:@] my defence. ] (]) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
			Hi again, {{u|JingJongPascal}}. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about , and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the . The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.
	:*18:56, 28 November 2015 User account DisneyPixarFan1995 (talk | contribs) was created
	:*18:57, 28 November 2015 User account VideoGamesandMario2006 (talk | contribs) was created
			As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.
	:Now take a look at some of the names used in the past by the sockmaster Bigshowandkane64:
			The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)
	:*Marionluigi49
	:*MarioandSonic56
	:*TheSimpsons98
	:*CharacterFan876
	:*Mario Kart is the Best
			Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy ] to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: ] (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard ), ] (deleted after ]), ] (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), ] (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), ] (deleted after ]), ] (deleted after ]).
	:Sure, it's still a bit boot-strappy, but something like a pattern begins to emerge. {{ping|MarnetteD}} may have some thoughts. This may be enough to file an SPI, but it'll have to wait til tomorrow, it's late here. ] (]) 08:29, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
	::Sorry, I'm actually trying to go to bed, but I keep running across stuff. Look at CartoonFan97's edit summary :
			All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also ] from {{u|Vanamonde93}}. ] &#124; ] 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
	::'''"An actor alway's needs an inbox"'''
			:also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN ] (]) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
			::I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at ] are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all ''pages'' (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the ''parts of other pages'' that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "]"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the ] area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. ] &#124; ] 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
			:::Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
			:::and yet he gave me a edit warning.
			:::Please do something, he did it without any consensus. ] (]) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing ], a page they created themselves. Also, ], I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? ] &#124; ] 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
			:::::Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
			:::::Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see ], before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. ] (]) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::::], I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did ''after you were T-banned'' doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ] article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See ]. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.
			::::::You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ], which you're ''banned'' from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described . You can appeal either at the ] ("AN") or the ] ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the ] ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our ] projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. ] &#124; ] 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
	::and compare it to HomerSimpson543's edit summary :
			:::::::look at my talk page , "November 2024".
			:::::::You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. ] (]) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::::::(] padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as ], and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. ] (]) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::::Thanks, ], you're very right. It's all right for ] to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
			::*You added an extremely bad main source for your article ] (later moved to ]) ], only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's ''Chaulukyas of Gujarat''. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name ], describes the writer as "an ] spiritual writer and teacher associated with the ] in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
			::*Editing against consensus ]. Note Remsense's edit summary.
			::*Original research: ] of ] (now a disambiguation page). Compare ].
			::*], you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then ]. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for ] in another article?
			::*] to ] is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
			::*Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.
			:*I also want to say I was sorry to see ], JingJongPascal. I hope you're getting help. ] &#124; ] 21:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
			:*:Don't worry @], most of that is humour! ] (]) 06:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
			:*:I wouldn't say that the Mughal Empire one was disruptive, as the sources were present in the article themselves, but I can agree on the "Indian Empire". ] (]) 06:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
			== December music ==
	::'''"Adding infobox, an actor/voice actor alway's needs an inbox for there articles"'''.
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			I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- ] (]) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. ] &#124; ] 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
			:: Listen today to the (new) ] --] (]) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::On the heckelphone! Thanks, ]. ] &#124; ] 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
			:::: Listen today to ]'s 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the ] when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with ], because he was on my ] this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --] (]) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::: I come to fix the cellist's name, with ] and new pics - look for red birds --] (]) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::: Today is ]. --] (]) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::: Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - ] it's another great woman, soprano ], and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote ] for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --] (]) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Seeking assist on ] ==
	::Note the incorrect use of the apostrophe in "alway's", a trait also shown in HS543's comment above. Also note that both CF97 and HS543 are terribly concerned with the spousal information in infoboxes. (Diffs easily available).{{parabr}}Just some more bricks for the wall. ] (]) 09:00, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::One more thing (I hope). This is from the SPI on Bigshowandkane64, posted by one of his socks (I'm much too tired to dig up the diff on it):
			Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in ], which has persisted with ] and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply ] for contributing objectively on WP.
	:::'''"I don't know why you guy's still keep thinking were sock puppets. were not at all. WikipediaGuy01543 (talk) 01:12, 24 July 2015 (UTC)'''
	:::Note the incorrect use of the apostrophe. I'm going to ping {{ping|Bbb23}} for him to have a look-see, in case the above may be sufficient to run a CU. ] (]) 09:09, 8 December 2015 (UTC)		Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. ] (]) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi @], this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. ] (]) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
	I seriously don't know what your talking about. This my only account, that's not my other account! ] (]) 13:14, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
	:Almost precisely the words used by two sock in the SPI linked above. Amazing! ] (]) 15:47, 8 December 2015 (UTC)		::Hi ], do take note that this is one of the many instances of ] by said IP address, going against ]. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) ] (]) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? ] (]) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
	::I just saw the ping and was about to post that the protestations are very similar to ones made in the past but I see that BMK has already made the connection. IMO a ] is quacking. BMK, Bbb23 is away until the 16th (or thereabouts) and may not see your ping until then. ]&#124;] 16:00, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
			*Why are you moving this from ]'s talk to mine, ]? Please don't canvass admins at random. I'm afraid I don't in any case have the time for it. ] &#124; ] 13:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
			== Métis Nation British Columbia ==
	*Thank you all. We don't need no stinking checkuser, as the quacking of HomerSimpson543 is deafening. I've blocked and tagged and will add a pro forma SPI. Good work, ].
	:The timing of the creation of {{noping|DisneyPixarFan1995 }} and {{noping|VideoGamesandMario2006}} is certainly suggestive, but IMO they haven't really edited enough to make the call. ] &#124; ] 16:22, 8 December 2015 (UTC).
	*I came across this from another angle, however {{noping|CartoonFan97}}, {{noping|Music743}}, {{noping|VideoGamesandMario2006}}, {{noping|DisneyPixarFan1995}} and {{noping|Futurama1431}} are all {{Tallyho}} from your friend {{noping|HomerSimpson543}} above. And I am not a stinking Checkuser. I like to think I smell quite lovely.--]<sup>]</sup> 23:11, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
	:*{{ping|Ponyo}} Thanks for confirming that. ] (]) 23:25, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::No problem. Someone's gotta pick up {{U|Bbb23}}'s slack. <small>Just kidding! Hope you're having a great holiday if you see this!</small> --]<sup>]</sup> 23:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::: I'm sure 'Shonen wasn't commenting on your scent, {{u|Ponyo}}. It's just an allusion to ] and perhaps subconsciously to my much-missed wikifriend, ]. --] (]) 00:45, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::::Yeah, I've realized it should probably have been spelled "stinkin'". And no, Ponyo doesn't stink, I quite like Chanel no 5. (Better used in moderation, though. You needn't splash it on like it's Giano's cologne.) Anyway, I may add those socks to the SPI when I have a minute or two. ] &#124; ] 11:51, 10 December 2015 (UTC).
	:::::: "steenkin'" - for reasons of verisimilitude. --] (]) 15:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::Oh I understood the film reference, I simply chose to take offense regardless. I've taken entirely too little offense of late and thought I would step up my game.--]<sup>]</sup> 16:46, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::Quite right, gotta keep 'em on their toes. I've added your handful of socks to the SPI, just to keep in practice. ] &#124; ] 16:59, 10 December 2015 (UTC).
			I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Asheville ==
			:Thanks, ]. There was a note at ]. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done ''nothing'' on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. ] &#124; ] 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
			::They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here ({{cvt|-25|C}}), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have ] from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! ] &#124; ] 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
			::::The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Revert ==
	One of my favorite cities. If the US had an NHS I'd move there. Why's it on your watchlist? ] (]) 07:33, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
	:It wasn't, I was just running my eye idly down the user creation log. (A harmless hobby which has left many traces in my contribs in the past few weeks.) And this was a new user with a name I thought might mean something I didn't quite understand — "bang" is a kind of dubious word — so I clicked on their single contribution. I'd never heard of Asheville. But it's on my watchlist now! Did you ever attend the ]? ] &#124; ] 11:36, 7 December 2015 (UTC).
	::Is this how watchlists get out of control? -] ] 23:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::No, that's more when you see vandalism to a page you watch, revert it, check the contribs, and revert the person's other "contributions" too. Hey presto, you're now watching three more pages. ] &#124; ] 00:27, 8 December 2015 (UTC).
			I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:
	==Request for lifting ban==
	It's been months since ban was imposed on me. As you might have noticed, my editing has also reduced significantly. Would you please review the ban now under changrled circumstances. Thanks -- Pankaj Jain ''] <span class="plainlinks">(] '''·''' ] '''·''' )</span>'' 04:33, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
	:], your ban is set to expire on Christmas Eve — not long now.:-) But if you can tell me how you plan to avoid the previous problems with your editing of Indian religious articles (chiefly ''unreliable sources''), I don't mind unbanning you a little early. ] &#124; ] 20:56, 8 December 2015 (UTC).
	::Thanks, the issue was huge no. of edits, I was asked to go slow, that's what I'll do. -- Pankaj Jain ''] <span class="plainlinks">(] '''·''' ] '''·''' )</span>'' 03:46, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::I had to mull over this, but I've responded positively on Pankaj's page now. Sorry it took a while. ] &#124; ] 20:11, 10 December 2015 (UTC).
			Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per ]? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."?
	==Another DegenFarang sockpuppet==
			You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article.
	There are so many it makes my head spin, but you blocked and one or more of his socks. Another duck to block has appeared . In less than 50 edits total (none in articles I've ever edited), he managed to vandalize my talk page and use the tell-tale phrase "peacock" in one of his edit summaries. I don't know if posting this info to you here is okay process, but it is such an obvious sock that I thought I'd try here first. (Also, this User first registered 3 days after the last Degen IP sock was blocked.) Thanks. ] (]) 07:12, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
			You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. ] (]) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Posting here is fine. I see they've been harassing you (I've warned them), but I don't see any poker editing — isn't that the major characteristic of Degen Farang and his socks? (Isn't there anybody else who might be angry with you?)
			:Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, ]. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See ] and ]. ] (]) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:I took a quick look at the contribs in general. The edits to ] are fine. The latest edits defending a troll on ANI less so IMO. (I've given the troll in question a discretionary sanctions alert.) Back later, I've got to run. ] &#124; ] 11:38, 8 December 2015 (UTC).		:Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. ] &#124; ] 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).
	::However... you were right, ], it's DegenFarang. Checkuser blocked. ] &#124; ] 20:51, 8 December 2015 (UTC).
	:::Thanks. ] (]) 22:23, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
	==We are returned!==		==Io Saturnalia!==
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	Good News Mrs Bishonen! We are returned to you from our adventures in Vienna. Some dear little girl, connected distantly with my nephew, was marrying some frightfully important Austrian (not as important as me of course) so we all went across for the 'free beano' (as one of Giano's sons called it). I don't normally like new money, but the groom paid for all our hotels and flights, which I think is very generous, and one shouldn't be too quick to judge. Dearest Giano was taken ill on arrival at Heathrow, I said to him, just because the champagne was free on the flight doesn't mean one has to take it to excess. Watching him and his sons being stretchered across the tarmac was not attractive. I don't normally like his wife, but the poor woman does have a cross to bear. I shall be staying with them until the New Year - so felicitous greetings to you all. ] (]) 18:46, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
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	Thank you, ], and the best wishes of the season to you! I can't believe I ever thought your sot of a nephew dashing! ] &#124; ] 21:24, 8 December 2015 (UTC).
			|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. ] (]) 14:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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			|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The '']'' (1563) by ] is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. ] (]) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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			==Continued hounding despite your warning==
			{{Ping|Qalb alasid}} has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you for battle ground conduct as they did so only to now they have reverted my ] of ] ,] ,] and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on ] and edited ] where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of ] me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - ] (]) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi, ]. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, {{u|Qalb alasid}}, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. ] &#124; ] 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
			::Thank you, @]. @] - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
			::For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
			::Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per ], "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
			::Based on ], "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @], is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? ] (]) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, {{u|Qalb alasid}}) ]-quoting? Just a suggestion. ]. ] &#124; ] 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
			== Thank you for granting the selfblock ==
	I think I was writing my RfAr comment at the same time you were writing yours. I'm not sure what happened with the order, but I'm glad for yours to appear ahead of mine, as yours is more succinct and therefore better. Regards, ] (]) 18:25, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
	:I just e-mailed you, to tell you what Bishzilla does with top-posters. We really said the same thing at the RfAR, didn't we? Only one of us said it nicely, while mine was nasty, brutish and short. ] &#124; ] 18:31, 9 December 2015 (UTC).
	*], Kevin has removed that bit. Perhaps it would be humane for you and me to remove our comments on it? I'm just disappearing outside, but if you agree and remove yours, please take mine with it. ] &#124; ] 18:44, 9 December 2015 (UTC).
	::I've struck the portion of my statement that has become moot. I haven't stricken or removed mine altogether, because I think my last paragraph is still important. Regards, ] (]) 19:44, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::(Crossing out makes stuff more noticeable, not less, IMO.) Well, our comments have already been commented on, with our names. I guess I'll just leave my words, so as not to force the commenter to cross out theirs… jeez. ] &#124; ] 21:32, 9 December 2015 (UTC).
	:::::* I always love the crossings out; they're always the best bits. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]</span> ] 22:05, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
			Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. ] (]) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)<br>
	== Apologies ==
			:Very glad to hear it! ] &#124; ] 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
			::] Merry Christmas, young clown! ] ] ] 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
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			'''Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025! ♦ ] (]) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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			== Hope you are doing well ==
	*No problem. With handheld devices, many of us have fat fingers. ] &#124; ] 21:09, 11 December 2015 (UTC).
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	::*Well, '''I''' wouldn't say many. A woman who doesn't have a manicure and practice her arpeggios once a week, to keep her fingers slim, has lost her self respect. ] (]) 22:27, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
			I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi, ], very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! ] &#124; ] 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
			==Merry Christmas!==
	==Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kevin Gorman==
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	::Oh, I won't contribute, ], in fact I'm rather sorry it's come to this. Tell Bishzilla about it instead. She'll be glad to help by superclerking. ] &#124; ] 11:43, 11 December 2015 (UTC).
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	:::I would, but I don't fancy a quick and stompy death at Bishzilla's claws ;-). ] <sup>(])</sup> 11:49, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
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	:::*Oh my dear Mrs Bishonen what a funny world we inhabit; I am stuck in a dreary wet London with no hope of escape. Scrotum IV is in dry dock having a new propellers fitted, the Queen has left town and the city is deserted. My nephew is insisting we all remain here for Christmas; I went to Harrods to do some Christmas shopping, but it was full of Americans, why do they all come here in December - I suppose they are trying to escape that Trump man, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't let half of them back in, then I will never be able to get the perfumery counter. Then there's the all these Chinese and the Russians, it's a wonder the earth hasn't fallen off its axis with all this uneven distribution. Anyway, I am here for some information - I need a Misplaced Pages project to divert me, and my perceptive antenna have been tweaking at something called GLAM - what exactly is it and where do I join? Obviously as one of Misplaced Pages's more glamorous lady editors I have a great deal to offer. It's such a pity it's not something we could do together, but I am more than happy to give you some beauty tips and advice, should you ever decide to alter your image. ] (]) 14:17, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
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	:::::With your love of culture, a project for Galleries, Libraries, Archives, and Museums should suit you to a T, especially now that it also includes botanic and zoological gardens. Those might even be able to provide a ] for your superannuated Pekes. Join ] to contribute content and expertise. ] &#124; ] 15:06, 11 December 2015 (UTC).
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	== Need longer block on 81.183.217.1 ==
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			I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! {{smiley|christmas}} Whether you celebrate ], ], ], ], ] or your hemisphere's ], this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. ] (]) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC) <br />
	Hi. Regarding ], after their one week block expired, the IP went right back to the same personal attacks against Anna Frodesiak and disruptive editing. Can we get a longer or indefinite block now? Thanks. ] (]) 08:27, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
	:No indef on IPs. But it's good and static and clearly used by the same... hmm... some words occur to me, but I suppose I'll just call it the same "user". Kudpung has placed a one-month block; I'd have made it three if I'd seen it first. Never mind. They'll be back I'm sure, they're quite incorrigible, and then perhaps we can make it six months. ] &#124; ] 09:54, 12 December 2015 (UTC).
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			] (]) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
	{{noping|Shvrs}} is back, 15 months on. You in April 2014 and then blocked for repeated breaches. They've just tagged ] as disputed but didn't even explain their rationale on the article talk page & indeed can't because of the ban. I doubt that rationale is any different from their previous disruptive original research etc but what do we do here? Obviously, even tagging is a technical breach because the ban appears to be indefinite. - ] (]) 14:24, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
	:Technical? Certainly it's a breach of the topic ban. I'll just remind them. ] &#124; ] 14:39, 12 December 2015 (UTC).
	== A good block there ==		== Season's Greetings ==
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	:I've made three blocks in the past 15 minutes... but a little research of your contributions shows me which one you mean. Yes, I'm pleased with it. (I softblocked, where I ''could'' have hardblocked.) ] &#124; ] 16:41, 12 December 2015 (UTC).
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			|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | <blockquote>When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it." </blockquote>
			(Text on page 17 illustrated in the ] in ]'s ''Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers'', illustrated by ], London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)
	==Ban broken==
	CrazyAces broke his article creation ban by bringing the ] into mainspace. I would have brought this to the blocking admin, but he has not been active for awhile. The article is of similar "quality" to the past ones and I don't want to have to go through attempting to fix the bulk of articles he has reserved in his sandboxes for mainspace. At the very least, I ask for a warning so this doesn't get out of hand, again. Thanks as always.] (]) 01:30, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
	:? ], I'm not sure if you mean the blocking admin (]) or the banning admin (]), but they're both as active as ferrets. Well.. OK, I'll warn CA. ] &#124; ] 10:42, 13 December 2015 (UTC).
	::*Guy has blocked for a week. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 11:00, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::: Yup. This saddens me. Crazyaces seems like someone who is trying to help, but just doesn't get it (for multiple values of ''it''). <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 11:08, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::::I tend to agree with that. I have seen him lots at DRV and he simply hasn't grasped how it works round here. When you reach
	out, he is always positive but never follows through and returns to his old ways. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 20:14, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
	::::::Sorry, Bishonen you are correct. I based my statement on what CA said at an appeal he made, but looking back I see I misunderstood what he said. I wish there was something that could be done to help CA, I would mentor him if he'd let me. However, with Guy, I'm not sure he quite understands "it".] (]) 21:35, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
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			== Happy Holidays! ==
	Hi. I noticed you recently deleted . Could you please point me to where the creator explicitly requested deletion per U!? Thanks. --] (]) 11:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
	:You haven't quite got the right name; I think ] is the one you want. The request for deletion was made privately, by e-mail. ] &#124; ] 11:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC).
	::I see, And will that e-mail stand up to Arbcom scrutiny? --] (]) 11:48, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::What..? I should think so. What's the problem, exactly? Why would arbcom "scrutinize" it? Are you suggesting I might have just deleted the page because I took a notion to delete it? ] &#124; ] 11:54, 14 December 2015 (UTC).
	::: Arbcom probably have enough to do without investigating speedy deletions.&nbsp;] 12:13, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::: Unless our good Lady Catherine posts here objecting strenuously to the speedy deletion, I think policy has been correctly followed. Technically, one could argue that G10 ("disparage, threaten, intimidate, or harass their subject") could be an additional reason for speedy deletion, but I think that could be a contentious opinion, so U1 is better. I do wonder if m'lady's ] has had a word. ] ] ] 12:22, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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	:Bishonen, I am not accusing you of anything. I'm doing some research that ''may well'' be of interest to Arbcom and I'm just asking you some questions that might help me. ] (]) 12:37, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
	::I see. Well, I won't mind sharing the e-mail with ArbCom if they should ask. ] &#124; ] 12:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC).
	:::That's good to know. You may wish to consider keeping it intact with its code and raw headers. Thank you very much. ] (]) 13:11, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
	::::I hate to break it to you, but you have to be a fool to not know who HRH is. --] &#124; ] 18:53, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
	::::::*Is it really necessary for me to be here and make public my wishes? My beloved nephew informs me that this entire site is run "off-wiki" by some Irish Republican Conglomerate (IRC?) or somesuch illicit organisation, so while it's in order for others (Admins such as Mr Kubpong) to use secretive methods of communication, it is not permissible for me! I find that quite extraordinary - I worked with my dearest friend, ], at ] during the war you know - and that was very hush, hush indeed! I wished '''my page''' deleted because there is nothing so tawdry as an amusanti after the party is over - rather like Christmas decorations at the end of January when the working classes have returned to doing what they supposedly do best. If Mr Kupbong wishes the page to be re-instated, then of course it must be. As always, my thoughts were purely charitable and of "les Autres" and that of course was not just Mr Kudping. ] (]) 19:21, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::*Anyway now Mrs Bishonen, enough of poor Mr Kiddleping, you must come and have luncheon with me at . My rather good looking nephew says he wouldn't be seen dead there, which I think makes it quite appealing, rather like one of those rather thrilling underground dens one went to during Prohibition. ] (]) 21:32, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
	: I just arrived here to investigate that deletion myself! I found it a lot of fun and was saddened to see it get memory holed. (I snagged a copy as a souvenir from a site mirroring Misplaced Pages, so not to worry.) ] (]) 07:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
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	* I'm here to investigate this investigation. {{ping|Kudpung}}, has anybody emailed you about this so called user sub-page deletion incident? If so, please save any and all such emails, with full headers, timestamps and hashes, naturally, in case there is a case related to this case. Thank you so very much. Lastly, ]. ] <sup>]</sup> 14:06, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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	==Edit Quest!==
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	{{User:titusfox/Invite|<span>]</span> <sup>{ ] } { ] }</sup> 20:32, 15 December 2015 (UTC)}}
	*Thank you, Titusfox, but I think I'll pass. In my world, role-playing games are for boys and the boyish, not for little old ladies. ] &#124; ] 20:42, 15 December 2015 (UTC).
	:*Well, I like slaying and looting! ] '']'' ] 20:44, 15 December 2015 (UTC).
	::Trust me Darwinbish, you're part of the Legion of... Well, you'll just have to find out! ;) <span>]</span> <sup>{ ] } { ] }</sup> 15:52, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
	==Hi==
	Could you please take a look at user Legacypac edits. He is removing candidate lists for different Miss Earth pageant years. He has nominated plenty of AfDs without much explainations. Just being kind of disruptive. Atleast take a look. Regards,--] (]) 15:22, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
	:Could you please ask somebody else or take it to ANI, ]? I really don't want to go near, let alone immerse myself in, beauty pageant articles right as the festive season is kicking off. Sorry, but my heart wouldn't be in it. ] &#124; ] 19:18, 19 December 2015 (UTC).
	::Grrr...it is quite annoying that I, being a hairy woodland beast, has yet to even be nominated for the Mr. Earth pageant....or some gender neutral such contest. Its hard being but a pawn in the game of life.--] 19:45, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
	] at the head of the Mr. Earth pageant]]
	*I love it Mighty Bishonen! Indeed, it is my cousin Bigsquat, though some ghastly beast put that horrid Sonics tunic on him, likely using some new fangled machine that alters otherwise such fine photographic artwork. Amazed one captured an image of Bigsquat, perhaps he was in one of those rare moods in which he was less seclusive, as we are rarely seen excepting at night when we descend upon unwitting and pesky campers and other annoying infiltrators to our woodland realms.--] 20:16, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
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	] '''''To You and Yours!''''' ] (]) 01:56, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
	:Thank you very much! ] &#124; ] 17:49, 25 December 2015 (UTC).
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	:Make sure to click on both pictures to see them full size Bishonen as they will give you a chuckle. May your 2016 be full of joy and special times. ]&#124;] 03:11, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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	::Thank you very much, ]! Cool pics. I celebrate Christmas with ], like my forefathers before me! ] &#124; ] 17:49, 25 December 2015 (UTC).
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	* to special refrigerated pocket winter sports branch, also known as "Scandabrod"."''] Welcome to ] with full facilities, little Lady C! ] ] 15:56, 20 December 2015 (UTC).
	::<small>Preparing to book a room at Scandabrod too, we just can't resist pointing out how much we adore the phrase ]. ---] ] 04:46, 21 December 2015 (UTC)</small>
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	Please see the history of ]. The page has been vandalized (or edited unconstructively) recently. ] (]) 20:22, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
	:{{tps}} IP blocked for a week, page restored to former glory. --] (]) 20:27, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
	::Thank you both. Merry Christmas! ] &#124; ] 21:04, 20 December 2015 (UTC).
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	==IBAN request==
	{{hat|I think we're done here. ] &#124; ] 11:17, 22 December 2015 (UTC).}}
	You told me about IBAN requests months ago. Right now I am requesting an IBAN request between myself and TheGracefulSlick. . I am asking that you approve this. If I can't get this approved, I will retire immediately after having a checkuser done on my OWN account to prove that I wasn't doing any sockpuppet behavior . Additionally, '''Niteshift36''' has referred to me as "Crazy Aces" a number of times after you warned him about him calling me '''Crazy'''Aces in WP:AN/I Bishonen | talk 14:44, 10 April 2015 (UTC) where you stated "Don't do it again. However frustrated you are, it's seriously inappropriate, and, yes, I'd call it bullying." This isn't his first rude attack on me and I had previously made a notice on AN/I about it. ] He deliberately put the space in between Crazy and Aces to subtly annoy me not once, but twice. (]) 17:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
	::*In the instance, months ago, that you refer to, I bolded the word "crazy". THAT is the difference. Calling you Crazy Aces is normal because '''that is your name'''. You'll see people refer to me as Niteshift, without the 36. Not much different that having someone named John Doe III and not adding III to the end of everything. Move on. ] (]) 18:46, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
	:Again you said "Crazy Aces" not "CrazyAces" nor "CrazyAces489". You are much smarter than that and were already warned by Bishonen, lets see what Bishonen has to say. ] (]) 18:51, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
	::*Yes, I said Crazy Aces. I already addressed leaving off the 489. You'll find that's pretty common among editors, not just me. As for the space in between words, it's actually 2 words, each one capitalized. Just because I chose to write them like real words, using standard English rules instead of the stylized version is not a violation of anything and I think Bishonen will back me up on this. And oh, your request just got closed.... ] (]) 19:13, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::*Yes, I will back up Niteshift here. I warned him back in April about calling you '''Crazy'''Aces with the crazy in bold, and he promised not to do it again. I think you know this about the bolding, CrazyAces, because I specified it at the time. I think it's silly of you, and potentially misleading, to bring up that singular incident 8 months ago just because Nightshift is now calling you "Crazy Aces". It's quite normal on this site (as well as others) to call a user by their name ''without'' the clump of meaningless and hard-to-remember digits at the end. I do it all the time (see my second sentence above). And I don't see the subtle attack in using a space in the name, either. (Though please stop spelling it like that from now on, Mr Nite Shift, since CA objects: the "stylized" version is the name he's chosen, and I'm not impressed by the argument that your version is "standard English".) As for approving an IBAN with ], CA, sorry, no, I won't. I do believe that you speak in good faith when you say you ''feel'' harassed because TGS watches your editing and turns up a lot, but I can't agree that TGS ''is'' harassing you. They're giving you legitimate criticism, and if you'd listened to it from the start, instead of cutting up rough, I think you'd now be a better editor. ] &#124; ] 19:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC).
	::::Thanks Bishonen, I knew any sensible admin would see my case (for the second time) as being the right one. {{u|CrazyAces489}} I do not see why you need to retire when you can just improve your edits, it's not too difficult, and if you truly care about what you write about, the transition is simple. Your stubbornness to make the change is both unnecessary and confusing. Whatever your decision, I wish you the best of luck either here or off Misplaced Pages.] (]) 20:05, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
	:TheGracefulSlick, you are so quick to report all small and many times unintentional mistakes I make that I really can't believe what you say. I am quite sure that you will write on someone's page as you did before that you won't believe my retirement is real. So you really got what you wanted! I was barely editing as it was. I actually enjoyed creating articles and allowing others to build them up (as many of my articles were getting gutted). You can now watch something else! Maybe nurture you growing friendship with Niteshift and other people! This historical minority of the USA is out of here like ]. ] (]) 23:07, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
	:*Maybe if "retirement" wasn't a recurring event, it would be more believable. Oh, just a reminder, a new account isn't "retiring" either. ] (]) 00:21, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
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	Just thought I'd add to the festivities! Since it's the Winter Solstice, I thought I'd replace the conventional cupcakes with some yummy ]! Enjoy! ] ] 12:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
	*Mmmm… thank you very much little ]. New treats to me! According to Misplaced Pages, they consist of glutinous rice flour mixed with a small amount of water to form balls which are then cooked and served in boiling water. Yes.. yes.. sounds.. delicious. (The serving in boiling water seems especially exotic.) ] &#124; ] 19:46, 23 December 2015 (UTC).
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	Buon Natale e Felice 2016 indeed! If I hear that expression one more time I shall truly expire and be buried on this horrid little island People wouldn't be Buon Nataling if they were virtually imprisoned with a woman who is becoming more like a homicidal maniac everyday. If they weren't RCs I'm sure darling Giano would have divorced her years ago. Try to impose some discipline on her children and dogs and she becomes like a mad tigress - I've never felt so unwelcome in all my life. Even the dear little priest, she called in, to talk to me seemed very ill at ease; I couldn't understand a word he said, so I gave him £5 for a new altar cloth, that's generally want they want. I took a look at the alternative you were offering - is there nothing slightly more commodious in Scandabrod? I'm thinking more of a cocktail bar, Michelin starred restaurant type establishment. Otherwise, I may as well stay where I am, even though "she" with a rare touch of generosity (Giano's money I expect), has offered to buy me a plane ticket to Norskaland. Yours ever ] (]) 10:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
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	*Thank you little ]! Nice little ], pocket ice hotel look modest from outside but may possibly come up to requirements inside! Respectfully, ] ] 17:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC).
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	I can quite assure you dear Mrs Bishonen that in the depths of Winter dear old ] is more than a match for any ice hotel, and so it should be - only the middle classes heat their homes to such a degree that they are always unhealthy and snivelling. My staff have all deserted me for the Christmas duration, even beloved Stanislas has returned beyond the Iron curtain and won't return my calls. Giano (normally so abstemious and blessed) has now started matching his wife drink for drink, there's goats in the grounds and a man (obviously a hitman from the Mafia) who claims to be reading the electricity meter. Now! When are you coming to rescue me from this household of Hell and take me to your beloved little Skandabrod - I've quite a few ideas for its much needed redecoration and of course yourself, you have rather let your looks go - there's so much help and advice I can give you. ] (]) 18:44, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
			'''Hello Bishonen:''' Enjoy the ''']'''&#32;and ''']''' if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, ] (]) 15:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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			== I was responding to an edit summary I saw from User:Doug Weller ==
	**For how they ''used to do it,'' after they'd finally made Christmas legal again, read Pepys's diary on Dec. 25. (Let's remember that the only group in the West to make it illegal was Cromwell's Puritans.) If you haven't your copy handy, or haven't gotten around to decoding it, you can click on this I think. (Perhaps it's two brackets now? Perhaps it's codecodelinklink noncodelink? It's three w's and pepysdiary and a com, anyway.) The man goes to church -- with his Mrs. and servants -- and then goes to work. ] (]) 18:48, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
			]. I was hitching up the dogs and I put a quick block on it, intending to give it a longer look when I returned. I didn't intend to add a second notice, just forgot to hit the correct toggle. I acted hastily in removing TPA, I'll concede. ] (]) 11:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
	**Dear ], I'm a little concerned at the conversation between Lady C and Bishzilla above. The monster is well-meaning but lacks tact, and her assumption that an establishment without a restaurant but with two bars would just suit her ladyship (based on some incidents that she has clearly misunderstood) is beyond ]. Please apologize to Lady C for me. I'm sure Norskaland with its sober culture and ] ] would suit her better. What a delightful idea of mrs G's. ] &#124; ] 20:42, 23 December 2015 (UTC).
			:I looked at my admin stats and I'm still at 174 total blocks; I'm way inexperienced at that aspect of the work. Happy to be corrected by somebody who has been in deeper kimchi than I. ] (]) 11:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Kimchi. Hehe. ] &#124; ] 14:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC).
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			Happy new year 2025, opened with ] that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw ] by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see ]. -- ] (]) 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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			], my ] 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. ] will be my story tomorrow. --] (]) 21:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			My ] is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --] (]) 09:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	God jul på dig själv, kära ]! ] &#124; ] 20:17, 23 December 2015 (UTC).
			Today a violinist from Turkey, ], whom you can watch playing Schubert chamber music --] (]) 22:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
	== WillShowU ==
			... and today, ], ], in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author ]. --] (]) 18:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hi Bishonen, thanks for dealing with {{noping|WillShowU}}. I've filed a sock report at ] because I became convinced the user was a sock of WikiBriefed. I'll defer to your judgment, but I'm thinking that if WillShowU is a sock, he might need to have his block adjusted. Thanks! ] (]) 17:01, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
	:Sure. But now that you've filed an SPI (good work), I suppose we might as well see what comes of that first. It's of course common that disruptive users jump over to a sock even after quite a short block, even without thinking they're indeffed — simply because they realize the first account has outstayed its welcome and they'd rather start again with a "clean slate" (ahem, cough). Well, that's what we have CUs for. Trying to keep Indian cinema articles clean must be an ungrateful task! ] &#124; ] 17:11, 23 December 2015 (UTC).
	::Both ungrateful, and understaffed. There are a few regulars who are doing some really good work, but more outsiders (like myself) should get involved because the corruption is widespread. I often wish we admins had the ability to look into IPs, since there are tons of times when I'm convinced that certain accounts are related, or when I say to myself, "he's a sock of ''someone'', I just don't know who..." Oh wells... ] (]) 20:30, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::Almost as sock-infested as the caste articles, I guess. ], did you notice ] has deleted your SPI as "opened with wrong master" and moved it to ]? ] &#124; ] 20:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC).
	::::I avoid the caste articles like nobody's business. That crap is insane. There are sock operators like LanguageXpert who have, for years, been pushing their perspective of "no, this region of land is more heavily populated with *MY* people's language!" Ridiculous what people will fight over. I didn't notice the SPI swap. Good ol' Bbb23! I can always count on him to figure out the messes. :D ] (]) 20:58, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::::{{reply|Cyphoidbomb}} Would that it were only ''that'' mess. This particular case gives me a headache from a CheckUser perspective. You think you want to be able to look at IPs? Nope, you don't. Besides, when you just know an IP address but you have no clue who the master is, you rarely find out by checking. Back to India now for more fun and games.--] (]) 21:14, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
	::::::{{ping|Bbb23}} Well there goes my weak-ass "grass is greener" argument. :) ] (]) 21:46, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
			Today, between many who just died, ] on his 45th birthday who was good for ] mentioning a Verdi opera in 2018, - you can see his work in the trailer of another one that I saw, and my talk page has a third (but by a different director). 2025 pics, finally. --] (]) 18:47, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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	I'm currently reading ''The Witches,'' a bit of a pop history book on the Salem witch phenomenon. The author says that the Salem folks were all on fire for reports of a Swedish witch outbreak of the 1680's, where girls, also adolescent and pre-adolescent, reported flying about, and where seventy people were caught up and put to death. I don't know of a ''heading'' for that witch craze, but it seems like it would either already have an entry (likely with Misplaced Pages these days) or deserve one. For all I know, this is as famous an instance of the popular delusions of crowds across the Atlantic as Salem is in America (and might even have its own HaWthornE to bewail it). Eagerly awaiting a link. ] (]) 18:37, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
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	: Possibly ]? But is interesting as well. --] (]) 18:59, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
	::Thank you, Sir. That's it indeed. Is "Mora witch trial" a stable search term? ] (]) 01:28, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
			] from the past month (December 2024).
	*Yeah, the Orkney ] case in the 1980s reminded me strongly of the Mora events, mutatis mutandis. Really not very much mutated at all. :-( But no, ], Mora is not as famous as Salem, and has no Arthur Miller. ] &#124; ] 20:14, 23 December 2015 (UTC).
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	::] is right on the reference. The book I'm reading doesn't have a nomenclature for the Swedish event, but she traces the line of influence ''pretty'' cleanly. It was the Swedish case being a cause celebre among dissenting groups that kept up with each others' communities "fighting Satan," and then that it was grist for Joseph Glanville, whose work on withcraft was cited by Cotton Mather. She also spots how clearly the children's stories from Salem match the Swedish case among the girls who were parson's daughters, whereas the Indian slave witnesses and the outsider "witch victims" have stories that lack all the flying, all the meeting in a field, etc. In either case, it looks like ] needs a scholarly pass or two.
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	::And, needles to sway, Judge Hathorn's grandson made a career out of being ashamed of his grandpa. Every semester I teach "Young Goodman Brown" (but he never learns anything). (Miller obscures more than he illuminates, but he wasn't trying to replace everyone's high school history book.)
	::The Swedish case seems to have had a lower body count than Salem, but it presents the same set of inexplicable (legal, social, medical, religious) phenomena. ] (]) 01:28, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
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	: Was I..? I don't think so. I don't seem to appear in the of ]. But I agree your link to truthinadvertising.org gives excellent advice. ] &#124; ] 19:58, 23 December 2015 (UTC).
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			== Dev0745: accept fait accompli, or indef? ==
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			Hi Bish! Odd situation here. I've noticed that {{checkuser|Dev0745}}'s edits, since my TBAN of them and your block of them ], have essentially all been violations of that TBAN. However, all the edits I've checked are pretty far-flung from politically controversial things, mostly about fauna of the Indian subcontinent, although some about ethnography. So part of me thinks, this is the TBAN equivalent of what I call an ], and I should just accept the ''fait accompli'' and narrow their ban to India/Pakistan <em>politics</em> instead of the whole region. I don't love rewarding TBAN violations, but a ban, like a block, should be preventative of something.{{pb}}<em>On the other hand</em>, we have ], which could be read as pro-India boosterism, and which was reverted by ] as source misrepresentation. Source misrepresentation was the most egregious issue leading to the TBAN in the first place, and Dev memorably insisted ] that it was okay because there was no specific policy against it. I haven't looked deep enough at this specific case to determine whether Dev was right or wrong and, if the latter, whether it was a plausible good-faith error, but I think this is a strange bimodal situation where there's a good case for relaxing the ban, and a good case for indeffing for ban violations, and not much case for anything in between, given that you already blocked Dev the once and that they have two earlier blocks for other reasons. Do you have any insight here? Pings also @] (previous block), @] (previous TBAN), and @] (general expertise). <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 21:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	A bit of? Can't I have the whole thing please, little ]? ] &#124; ] 20:03, 23 December 2015 (UTC).
			:Paradoxical, isn't it? I really don't mind an edit about tigers, though. I'd go with narrowing the ban. Abecedare would know what's best to do, I'm sure, but they haven't edited at all for three weeks, and not very amply since August. ] &#124; ] 21:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
			::I took a quick look and the edits seem fairly innocuous. Gnomish with many images thrown in. Perhaps we should ask Dev0745 what they're up to. Why all their edits, while benign, since the topic ban are violations? Narrowing the ban is fine with me as well but I'm curious to see what they have to say.] <small>(])</small> 02:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::That sounds like a good idea. @]: Could you please read the above and then answer RegentsPark's question? To be clear, we're not asking you to defend the edits you've been making in general; we all agree that they mostly look constructive. Rather, we're trying to understand how this came to happen. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 05:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hey all. I reverted this edit NOT because I thought it was any sort of {{tq|boosterism}}; but this revision was not an improvement. Since then, I reverted a few more of their edits because they were poorly written. ] (]) 08:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	] &#124; ] 21:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC).]]		I have just tried to edit page which are not directly related to topic of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan but related to Asia. ] (]) 08:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@]: well, to be clear, that is still a violation of your topic ban. Indian animals are a part of India. That said, the three of us admins are in agreement that your edits about South Asian fauna have generally been fine, and there's no point in enforcing the ban here if you're causing no harm. So I am going to loosen the ban. I am going to change it to a ban from '''politics, religion, and culture in India and Pakistan'''. I want to be clear, that includes some of the articles you've been editing about tribes. You need to stop editing about ethnic and social groups in India, because that's too close to what I initially banned you for. But the edits about Indian animals, and anything else about India that isn't politics or religion or culture, you can keep doing that. Does that make sense? <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 09:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	*No, you may not have the whole thing, only a bit, although clearly intending to have it all, and who's mighty chuffed with his. The very best ones with that yummy almond glaze are made by Galup in ]. , trundling out of the Galup ovens. Italy's ] was reportedly very fond of Galups. ] (]) 10:48, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
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	== Merry Holidays Bish ==
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	Hi Bishonen. I just wanted to take the time to say thanks for being a good and honest to me in my beginning steps in Misplaced Pages, always doing the right thing. And for being an honest Admin, being the only admin I know who shows their block log and activity for transparency. And wanted to wish you Happy holidays :) (] (]) 06:57, 24 December 2015 (UTC))
	:Merry Christmas to you too, thanks for the tree! I actually stole the idea of having a link to my admin action log from {{noping|Everyking}}. ] &#124; ] 09:12, 24 December 2015 (UTC).
	== BLPN ==
			Hello,
	I saw your note, Bishonen. Thing is, Rick Allan Ross has been attempting to whitewash his article for a very long time, and I'm not the only one that saw this either. He's posted on numerous forums to get others to help him, this is , more or less, disruptive behavior. Now, I'm not going to say he's violating some policy , however, what I will say, is, the disruption needs to stop, if he needs to be T-Banned, then he needs to be T-Banned, although I would hate to see that happen, if it needs to happen, then so be it. Just check his contributions and you'll see that he's constantly attempting to whitewash his article. By the way, you said that I said to ignore him, I actually never said that, so I'm not sure where that came from. Also, my edit summary is stating a fact, nothing more, further, I'm curious about the discretionary sanction notice you placed on his page, my actions are not disruptive, I've edited Rick Allan Ross's article a grand total of 1 time and have spoken about him on the BLP 1 time and have posted on Winkelvi's page 2 or 3 times, none of that should have merited that banner, so what's up with that ? ] 12:09, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
	:Your edit summary that I linked to was nasty, and violated ]: you've been here a long time, you probably know the NPA policy says prominently "Comment on '''content''', not on the '''contributor'''". Original bolding. You did the opposite when you reverted Rick Alan Ross. Even so, the discretionary sanctions alert I placed states explicitly that "it does not imply any misconduct regarding your own contributions to date."
	:As for ignoring Rick Alan Ross, that was Winkelvi talking about that on your page ("I still believe it is best to ignore him"). I was replying to Winkelvi, under whose post I posted, and whose name I said, to ping him. Then I started to speak to you, and said your name. Sorry if it wasn't clear. ] &#124; ] 12:38, 24 December 2015 (UTC).
	== Try this again ==
	Bishonen,
	My firewall (at work) is blocking me from replying, so I start a new section (sorry about that, the firewall's out of my hands ). Actually, I didn't think my comment violated NPA as I was stating a true statement, and not actually directed to anyone. As a matter of fact, it's absolutely true that the purpose of Misplaced Pages is not to simply change the article because Rick Allan Ross says we have to, that being said, when I looked back at my edit summary, I can see where you might have gotten the idea that it violated NPA, because it ''could'' look like I was responding to the last editor's changes, that ''would'' be NPA. Thing is , I wasn't, all in all, it's just a misunderstanding, very much like when you placed the Discretionary Sanction banner on my page. I took it to be a response to my editing, but as you state, it wasn't, it was a caution message. So , at the end of the day, it was a missunderstanding between us. ] 14:08, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
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	:Thank you very much! ] &#124; ] 17:49, 25 December 2015 (UTC).
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	:Thank you very much! ] &#124; ] 17:49, 25 December 2015 (UTC).
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	:Thank you very much! ] &#124; ] 17:49, 25 December 2015 (UTC).
	::You're very welcome :) –] <sup>]</sup> 20:05, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
			I do not want to be accused of gaming the system, but a great deal of my edits recently are denials of ESp requests. I do not think those count as edits- is there a chance I might be accused of gaming the system? (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 00:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Monster mad ==
			:Hi, {{u|3OpenEyes}}. They count as edits — everything you publish is an edit — but I don't see how your contributions could be regarded as gaming the ] requirement of at least 500 edits. The edits you make aren't semi-automated or pointless or anything like that, which is what we look for when we suspect gaming. You clearly give pretty much every request individual consideration, and answering one of those requests is a useful action. I don't think you have anything to worry about.-- ] &#124; ] 07:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thanks. I just wanted to make sure-especially when half of the requests are "add citation" (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 11:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Sorry, I'm going to sound stupid, but does utilizing user scripts such as Terasail's Edit Request Tool count as semi-automated? (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 12:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Bhjbggoonnv SPI ==
	Master have "fail" at wishing holiday greetings. Me take control of his 'puter. Little monster want to make good wishes to Bishonen and ]. Also wish best to little ankle biter and entire family. ]]
	:Thank you very much, young ]! ] &#124; ] 17:49, 25 December 2015 (UTC).
			Hi,
	== Season's greetings ==
			I tried to make an SPI but as an IP user I was unfortunately not able to so I came here instead. I strongly believe is using a new account ever since you implemented a ban for this editor. New account was created only days after Bhjbggoonnv was banned and one of its first edits was to vote Keep the article which was created by which was very suspicious. I discovered also many other blatant give aways showing they are operated by the same individual.
	Hi Bish, all the best to you for Christmas and the New Year! ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 07:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
	:Thank you very much, ]! The lutfisk with mustard I had for Christmas may not be "the best" for you 'murricans, but I quite like it! People can probably get used to eating absolutely anything, if it's introduced early in life. ] &#124; ] 17:49, 25 December 2015 (UTC).
			Both accounts edited ] which is a very obscure article: - . In the latter edit, OrebroVi adds a wikilink to ], whose mention was first added by Bhjbggoonnv. This an article Bhjbggoonnv . OrebroVi also made identical edits to this on who created this think tank and this edit is identical to the initial edit on Martin Kramer, and they all added the label Islamophobic.
	== Re: Your unilateral decision to topic ban me ==
			On ], they as they were attempting to cite the ] as a source. It just so happens that Bhjbggoonnv created said article.
	First of all, you are incorrect that RAR has never edited the article. He has edited in the past with different accounts. I ask that you perform due diligence and look into the editing history of the article going back to when it was created. He has edited with both a named account as and IPs. This has been established in previous discussions at the article talk page.
			There are major resemblances in terms of language they use. On ], both accounts have made similar edits and used identical edit summaries like "Referenced addition": - . Both accounts have used this exact edit summary dozens of times each.
	Secondly, the only so-called "attacks" were made ''prior'' to your warning to me at my talk page. My follow-up comments on other talk pages and BLPN as well as my own talk page since your warning were clear to state that I was trying to apply AGF with him. The comments I made to him and about him as an editor after your warning were observations and never ever designed or intended to be attacks. I'm sorry you were so offended by my comments to him about "my bio", but I honestly don't see how those particular comments - when read totally in context and with objective eyes - can be seen as an attack when they were offered as AGF advice.
			On the ] article, which is again a very obscure article, both accounts also made very similar edits and again used "Referenced addition": -
	Lastly, discretionary sanctions of any kind are always a black mark on an editor going forth. I request that you allow me the opportunity to self-monitor rather than having such sanctions imposed. Further, how I have edited the article has ''never'' been an issue other than the slight back and forth between me and two other editors a couple of days ago. If you take notice, I have not engaged in anything that could be considered disruptive at the article since your warning at my talk page. I continue to have no intention of editing there in a manner that could be considered disruptive and will keep that resolve from here on out.
			One final example on ] where both accounts made both added Israel as an opponent of the group but were they reverted both times: -
	One more lastly: Please note and realize that my comments to the article subject were not in regard to the article subject but in regard to what I (and several others) have seen as disruptive behavior by the article subject '''as a registered editor'''. He continues to be a ] with no indication that he ever intends to be an actual editor contributing to Misplaced Pages beyond his continual requests and demands for changes at the article about him. It would seem to me, that because my comments have been to and about '''Rick Alan Ross the editor''', these sanctions are not in line with policy. I have not, and never will, disparage RAR the article subject. That in mind, don't editors have a right as well as a responsibility to bring up issues with an editor who is and always has been a SPA trying to keep the article on them as complimentary as possible? Indeed, there are discussions at the article talk page now (and have been continually in the past) about RAR's repeated and continual requests for this and that to be taken out of the article. One look at the article talk page in its current state as well as its history and it's easy to see that several editors have felt exactly as I do. My concerns are not just well-founded, they are and have been shared by other editors.
			I found more examples of similarity but I think this is quite enough to show a definitive proof of the connection between Bhjbggoonnv and OrebroVi.
	Adding to my concerns over your unilateral topic ban decision is this statement from you: {{tq|"I have exemplified in several warnings how you have made up "policy" out of whole cloth and bashed Rick Alan Ross over the head with it. This has gone far enough."}} '''I have NEVER made up policy'''. I may have misunderstood policy and/or misstated policy according to my understanding of it, but making it up? No way. I would never do such a thing. You really need to think about walking this back as it is a very serious charge in my eyes. Being called an intentional liar is something I don't appreciate. I challenge you to find one instance in the 3+ years I've been here where deception has ever been something lodged against me, proven, and made to stick. I, madam, am simply not one who deals in dishonesty.
			It would be much appreciated if you would take a look. ] (]) 15:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
	Another concern is this: {{tq|"I believe you when you say your intentions are good and you have nothing against Ross; but it really doesn't make any difference at this stage"}}. And why doesn't it matter? You are telling me I must exercise good faith toward Ross at any cost, regardless of any evidence indicating good faith may not be appropriate. But even when you admit I have good intentions, in the next breath you then say my good intentions don't matter and I am still to be disbelieved and distrusted as well as sanctioned. The discrepancy and lack of logic in this reasoning is not only blinding, it's tells me you have made this a personal thing based on emotions you have against me because of my vocal objections to Ross' behavior '''as an editor''' and the single purpose of his account here.
			: A very extensive comparison of the editing history of the two accounts has left me without any doubt that this is the same person. I have blocked the sockpuppet indefinitely. I'm also inclined to make the bock on the original account indefinite, but I thought I would consult you, Bishonen, rather than doing it unilaterally. What do you think? ] (]) 23:57, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Sorry, ], my new computer is messing with me. I do agree, and I note {{u|Vanamonde93}} has now CU-blocked Bhjbggoonnv. And thank you for the information, IP 86.xxx, much appreciated. I was not indeed ignoring you on purpose. ] &#124; ] 09:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC).
			== Own block ==
	{{tq|"This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator"}} Because of what seems to be your emotional and personal response and subsequent topic ban based on same, I don't see how you qualify as an uninvolved administrator. From ], I quote: "In general, editors should not act as administrators in disputed cases in which they have been involved. This is because involved administrators may have, or may be seen as having, a conflict of interest in disputes they have been a party to or have strong feelings about." While you have stayed away from the RAR article and editor talk pages, your strong feelings as expressed in the sanction notification you left on my talk page shows '''you have VERY strong feelings about me and my comments regarding RAR the editor'''. Indeed, comments from you such as {{tq|" the last straw for me"}}, {{tq|"I will not put up with..."}} prove this is personal for you. That personalizing is not only inappropriate language for a sanction, it's inappropriate for an administrator making any kind of long-standing/indefinite block or banning decision.
			I've read ], and I accept the conditions. Please block me. Thank you very much! ] (]) 15:42, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
	Regardless, I want you to know that I acknowledge and will take to heart your concerns about my comments regarding RAR the editor. As stated above, however, I don't believe you are looking at things objectively and probably need to extend some AGF my direction. Not once have you asked me where I'm coming from, you've only read what I wrote, made accusations, and then this sanction was handed down in a very personal manner.
			:Blocked for two weeks, hope you feel better soon. ] &#124; ] 16:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC).
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			Have a look at their and edits after they were unblocked , I think they are ].- ] (]) 16:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hi, ]. Four blocks in three weeks is certainly alarming. As soon as one block expires, it's a matter of hours before the next has to be applied. Now they have just been blocked for a month by {{u|Doug Weller}}; if there's more disruption after that, I'd definitely recommend an indef. ] &#124; ] 19:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC).
			== Something you may want to look into ==
	At any rate, thanks for considering my appeal here - it is offered with the utmost sincerity and honesty. I have no hard feelings toward you because of it, but I am confused and concerned at how it all went down. If I don't hear from you on this in a day or so, I will take this elsewhere. Not because I want to make waves or do any damage to your reputation as an admin, but because I think this needs more eyes and opinions. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 18:40, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
			See ] and ]. Almost all edits reverted (those not tagged were often manually reverted when I checked them), and the editor seems determined to push a racist, right-wing POV since April of '22. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 18:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Winkelvi, you have posted this appeal on your own page as well. I think I'll respond there. ] &#124; ] 21:27, 25 December 2015 (UTC).
			:Wow. Indeffed. Hello there, ]. ] &#124; ] 20:03, 16 January 2025 (UTC).
			::You are as decisive, swift and efficient (and gorgeous) as always. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 21:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
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	== Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! ==
	Warmest Wishes for Health, Wealth and Wisdom through the Holidays and the Coming Year! ]&nbsp;&diams;&nbsp;] 22:30, 25 December 2015 (UTC)		If I should shut up then you have my permission to tell me that. ] (]) 18:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
			:I don't actually think you're helping, no. If I had a penny for every time I've seen the statement "reblocks are cheap", I'd be a moderately wealthy woman. It's completely untrue; reblocks are very expensive, in terms of time, effort, and patience. And here you are with the variant "it's easy to reinstate the topic ban". No, it isn't easy, it's hard. Therefore, I need certain undertakings before I lift this ban, and your telling Mark what you think he should say simply makes anything he does say less credible. ] &#124; ] 20:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC).
			::OK, thank you. Sometimes I am too optimistic, sometimes I am not optimistic enough; it is difficult to find the balance. I do think that it ''should'' be easy to reblock/retopicban, but not everything is as it should be of course. ] (]) 21:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

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You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Beautiful, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 21:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC).

Thank you! I made Leif Segerstam my big story today. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

My story today is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his Lamento. - My story on 13 October was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

User:151.124.106.64

I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Jim, your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — not in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? Bishonen | tålk 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).

Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Macrobiotic Diet

Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.

Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".

The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,

all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.

You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.

Thank you. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?

If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.

They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does mendacious mean in your opinion? Or pick on? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and battlegrund editing you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing {{unblock|your reason here}} on your talkpage. Bishonen | tålk 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).

Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see

Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.

And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?

"It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024"

They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.

Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.

I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.

I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. Not a similar account name

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If you really think so, Not a similar account name, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the WP:ANI noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the 'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'. Bishonen | tålk 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).

@Bishonen or even Misplaced Pages:Administrative action review Doug Weller talk 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

@Not a similar account name There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. Doug Weller talk 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good WP:RS that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Editing warring user

Iimitlessyou has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on Lyle and Erik Menendez, to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.

• here is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
• here they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"

At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: Talk:Lyle and Erik Menendez#Dispute over edits/lead by Iimitlessyou

• They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again here and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
• They reverted me a forth time for "biased edits".

I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.

I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the WP:RS, and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.

Zenomonoz (talk) 03:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Note I've taken this to the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. Zenomonoz (talk) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, Zenomonoz, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. Bishonen | tålk 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).

No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. Zenomonoz (talk) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India

Hi Bish,

Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at this month's Signpost.

So, the latest update in the case involves the Court threatening to not hear WMF until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by Valereee, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer appears to have agreed to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".

Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?

I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! TrangaBellam (talk) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps The Hindu will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

A little more: "The bench of Chief Justice Manmohan and Justice Tushar Rao Gedela were presiding over an application filed by Misplaced Pages seeking permission to file relevant documents in a sealed cover. Misplaced Pages, represented by Advocate Sibal, expressed concerns over the consequence of releasing the name of the author. The court, however, observed that the company was accusing a journalist (ANI) of being a state-sponsored agent and suggested that the author of the content should defend their statements." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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Kefas Brand

Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,

So in July 2024 you protected Kefas Brand, Rodney Kefas Namisi has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

The content is in fact different, Davey2010, so I guess AfD is the better fit; Kefas Brand was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for Kefas's brother Arnold also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. Bishonen | tålk 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).

Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages (https://simple.wikipedia.org/Kefas_Brand and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc

I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –Davey2010 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	Thank you! Dillard421♂♂ 20:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey, what a fine star! Thank you! Bishonen | tålk 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).

Thank you for being so proactive at blocking that user IP. I appreciate your work. Dillard421♂♂ 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

My guess...

Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.

Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.

Give my regards to 'zilla. JBW (talk) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, James. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied here or they lied here, or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked Girth Summit, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. Bishonen | tålk 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. JBW (talk) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. Bishonen | tålk 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

Welcome in pocket, little James! bishzilla _ROARR!! pocket 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of WP:OUTING, and if I'm not then it's a lie. JBW (talk) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Pint-size James! bishzilla _ROARR!! pocket 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).

It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. Girth Summit _(blether) 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Scheisst

ist wie Scheisst macht. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? Bishonen | tålk 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

NOTHERE user

Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user Powerinhand. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - here he added POV irredentist views claiming Haryana is South Punjab; it is a common viewpoint among Punjabi nationalists that Haryana is part of Greater Punjab along with the random "who" tag, more POV pushing by unfairly removing a figure's religious identity. He also created an article which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.

It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

This is a new user, Southasianhistorian8. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in this edit summary, and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. Bishonen | tålk 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).

Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them here when they pop up again.-- Ponyo 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Ponyo. Will do. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much, my little Ponyo. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. Bishonen | tålk 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).

The Admin's Barnstar

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		Thank you very much :) - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 22:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Did 'shonen do something useful for once? darwin bish 06:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC).

Kefas Brand (film actor)

Look familiar? Bobby Cohn (talk) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I guess it doesn't look all the familiar. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, the move and then blanked redirect page is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Bobby Cohn. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title Kefas Brand. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare this section higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. Bishonen | tålk 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).

Hello @Bishonen I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks Idrisskunle (talk) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

No, Idrisskunle, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in meatpuppets — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual wikipedia editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also this guideline. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).

@Bishonen thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.

once again thanks for your response im greatful. Idrisskunle (talk) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah well

I tried.

Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Not much you can do with a pure troll, Timtrent. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? Bishonen | tålk 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).

Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Block evading

The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address 2A02:8440:250C:AAA4:5C9D:4864:F7C3:27F5 ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Ydududu seems to be related to the ip ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Blocked both. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).

PS, please take any further information to ANI, here, rather than to my page. Bishonen | tålk 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).

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Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of WP:GS/CASTE

Hi Bishonen, CharlesWain has violated 3RR in the article on Guha (surname) in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Why did you use {{noping|}} template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as WP:3RR violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this months old edit. CharlesWain (talk) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, Ekdalian, as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making more than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the {{noping}} template here was not appropriate. Bishonen | tålk 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).

Noted. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmmmm

I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar). Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ Knitsey (talk) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by this comment into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. Bishonen | tålk 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).

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Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug continuing their attacks against Doug. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, thanks, JoJo. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. Bishonen | tålk 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).

I've got it. --Yamla (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm a slow little old lady. No one says that about you as far as you know. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Past disagreements

We've had disagreements both here- and here not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Southasianhistorian8, I've done what I intend to do about that here. I've no further comment. Bishonen | tålk 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

I'm always coming to you for advice

The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article here. That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see here), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them here to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me here, in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to Leonid Schneider, who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of Ariel Fernandez's many, many socks (see this SPI discussion). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.

Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for how long such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.

Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. Bishonen | tålk 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.

While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. Just Step Sideways 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is not Leonid. – bradv 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. Bishonen | tålk 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor intentionally attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

In that case, I've revdel'd. Bradv, do you wish to oversight? Bishonen | tålk 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

Done. – bradv 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Bishonen | tålk 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	For dealing with a nasty case of racist, anti-semitic vandalism. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oh, wow, thank you, I dream of horses. "Dealing with" sounds so masterful; I mainly messed it up. Relieved I got it right in the end. The credit goes to Codename Noreste! Bishonen | tålk 10:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

  @Bishonen Well, in the end, you did your best, teamwork happened, and everything turned out well. Good job all around! I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Your view on Mauryan Map

Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @Bishonen JingJongPascal (talk) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. Bishonen | tålk 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. JingJongPascal (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

November music

story · music · places

greetings from a trip -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Aw, Gerda. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (Defiantly:) But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! Bishonen | tålk 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).

Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Replied and actioned. Bishonen | tålk 09:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC).

My topic ban

You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.

And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"

1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.

2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)

3) edit warring - @Garudam has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.

He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)

He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).

4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). JingJongPascal (talk) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Topic ban immediately violated here. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

That topic box was started before my topic ban JingJongPascal (talk) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, JingJongPascal. Please read WP:TBAN more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries and your own user and talk pages. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. That is not allowed, as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.

When I see you went to User talk:PadFoot2008 and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read WP:TBAN at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.

But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.

I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

• Vandalism/Disruptive edits

- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]

-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]

-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?

• Bad Faith

- User talk:AirshipJungleman29#Magadhan Empire, no idea how this is bad faith.

• Original Research

-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.

- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).

- Even my current article List of wars involving Magadha is getting called 'original research'.

@Bishonen my defence. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, JingJongPascal. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about here, and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the discussion here. The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.

As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.

The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)

Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy Misplaced Pages:No original research to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: List of wars involving Gujarat (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard here), History of India as a political entity (deleted after AfD discussion), List of Indian Uprising battles (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), List of Hindu-Buddhist states (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), Principality of Pataliputra (deleted after AfD discussion), Foreign relations of the Magadhan Empire (deleted after AfD discussion).

All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also this original research warning from Vanamonde93. Bishonen | tålk 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN JingJongPascal (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at WP:TBAN are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all pages (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the parts of other pages that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "broadly construed"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the WP:ARBIPA area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. Bishonen | tålk 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).

Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak

and yet he gave me a edit warning.

Please do something, he did it without any consensus. JingJongPascal (talk) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing First battle of Eran, a page they created themselves. Also, JingJongPascal, I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? Bishonen | tålk 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).

Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.

Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see List of wars involving Magadha, before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. JingJongPascal (talk) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

JingJongPascal, I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did after you were T-banned doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ARBIPA article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See WP:BOLD. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.

You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ARBIPA, which you're banned from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described here. You can appeal either at the administrators' noticeboard ("AN") or the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the request for amendment ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our SISTER projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. Bishonen | tålk 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).

look at my talk page , "November 2024".

You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. JingJongPascal (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

(uninvolved jaguar padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as I Didn't Hear That, and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, JoJo, you're very right. It's all right for JingJongPascal to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)

• You added an extremely bad main source for your article List of wars involving Gujarat (later moved to Kingdom of Gujarat) here, only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's Chaulukyas of Gujarat. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name A. K. Mozumdar, describes the writer as "an Indian American spiritual writer and teacher associated with the New Thought Movement in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
• Editing against consensus here. Note Remsense's edit summary.
• Original research: this version of Indian Empire (now a disambiguation page). Compare Vanamonde93's warning.
• Here, you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then change it again to something completely different. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for this addition of an area with a surprisingly even number in another article?
• This addition to List of largest empires is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
• Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.

• I also want to say I was sorry to see this recent edit, JingJongPascal. I hope you're getting help. Bishonen | tålk 21:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC).

  Don't worry @Bishonen, most of that is humour! JingJongPascal (talk) 06:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  I wouldn't say that the Mughal Empire one was disruptive, as the sources were present in the article themselves, but I can agree on the "Indian Empire". JingJongPascal (talk) 06:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

December music

story · music · places

I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. Bishonen | tålk 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).

Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

On the heckelphone! Thanks, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).

Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Today is a woman poet's centenary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - Today it's another great woman, soprano Sigrid Kehl, and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote seven cantatas for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Seeking assist on WP:ANI

Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in this ANI case, which has persisted with WP:ASPERSIONS and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply WP:NOTHERE for contributing objectively on WP.

Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. hundenvonPG (talk) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bishonen, this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bishonen, do take note that this is one of the many instances of WP:HOUNDING by said IP address, going against WP:CIVIL. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) hundenvonPG (talk) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Why are you moving this from User:Cullen328's talk to mine, hundenvonPG? Please don't canvass admins at random. I'm afraid I don't in any case have the time for it. Bishonen | tålk 13:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC).

Métis Nation British Columbia

I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, CambridgeBayWeather. There was a note at WP:AIV. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done nothing on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. Bishonen | tålk 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).

They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here (−25 °C (−13 °F)), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have polar night from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! Bishonen | tålk 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).

The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Revert

I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:

Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per WP:WIKIVOICE? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."? You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article. You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. Noorullah (talk) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, Talk:Alauddin Khalji. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See WP:PEACOCK and WP:WIKIVOICE. Johnuniq (talk) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. Bishonen | tålk 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).

Io Saturnalia!

		Io, Saturnalia!
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

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Continued hounding despite your warning

@Qalb alasid: has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you warning them for battle ground conduct as they did so only to provoke me now they have reverted my WP:BLAR of Hinduism in Belize ,Hinduism in Barbados ,Hinduism in Brunei and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on BAPS Shri Swaminarayan mandir (Robbinsville, New Jersey) and edited Swaminarayan Akshardham (Robbinsville, New Jersey) where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of WP:FOLLOWING me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Ratnahastin. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, Qalb alasid, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. Bishonen | tålk 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).

Thank you, @Bishonen. @Ratnahastin - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.

For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .

Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per WP:BLAR, "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."

Based on WP:Harassment, "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @Bishonen, is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? Qalb alasid (talk) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, Qalb alasid) PAG-quoting? Just a suggestion. Misplaced Pages is not about winning. Bishonen | tålk 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).

Thank you for granting the selfblock

Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. Insanityclown1 (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Very glad to hear it! Bishonen | tålk 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Merry Christmas, young clown! bishzilla _ROARR!! pocket 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Happy holidays!

Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025!  ♦ Maliner (talk) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hope you are doing well

I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Hammerpants, very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! Bishonen | tålk 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Merry Christmas!

	A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
	Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals! Cheers SchroCat (talk) 08:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Season's Greetings

		Season's Greetings
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Happy Holidays!

Ekdalian (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello Bishonen, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Happy editing, - Ratnahastin (talk) 01:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

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Happy Holidays

Hello Bishonen: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Abishe (talk) 15:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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I was responding to an edit summary I saw from User:Doug Weller

User_talk:Daniel_Case#I_think_this_needs_full_protect. I was hitching up the dogs and I put a quick block on it, intending to give it a longer look when I returned. I didn't intend to add a second notice, just forgot to hit the correct toggle. I acted hastily in removing TPA, I'll concede. BusterD (talk) 11:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I looked at my admin stats and I'm still at 174 total blocks; I'm way inexperienced at that aspect of the work. Happy to be corrected by somebody who has been in deeper kimchi than I. BusterD (talk) 11:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Kimchi. Hehe. Bishonen | tålk 14:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC).

Happy New Year, Bishonen!

Happy New Year!

Bishonen,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages.
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January music

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Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw a lovely opera by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see here. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Today a violinist from Turkey, Ayla Erduran, whom you can watch playing Schubert chamber music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

... and today, pictured on the Main page, Tosca, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author Brian Boulton. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Today, between many who just died, Tobias Kratzer on his 45th birthday who was good for an unusual DYK mentioning a Verdi opera in 2018, - you can see his work in the trailer of another one that I saw, and my talk page has a third (but by a different director). 2025 pics, finally. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:47, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Dev0745: accept fait accompli, or indef?

Hi Bish! Odd situation here. I've noticed that Dev0745 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)'s edits, since my TBAN of them and your block of them in 2023, have essentially all been violations of that TBAN. However, all the edits I've checked are pretty far-flung from politically controversial things, mostly about fauna of the Indian subcontinent, although some about ethnography. So part of me thinks, this is the TBAN equivalent of what I call an adverse possession unblock, and I should just accept the fait accompli and narrow their ban to India/Pakistan politics instead of the whole region. I don't love rewarding TBAN violations, but a ban, like a block, should be preventative of something.

On the other hand, we have this edit, which could be read as pro-India boosterism, and which was reverted by BhagyaMani as source misrepresentation. Source misrepresentation was the most egregious issue leading to the TBAN in the first place, and Dev memorably insisted at AN that it was okay because there was no specific policy against it. I haven't looked deep enough at this specific case to determine whether Dev was right or wrong and, if the latter, whether it was a plausible good-faith error, but I think this is a strange bimodal situation where there's a good case for relaxing the ban, and a good case for indeffing for ban violations, and not much case for anything in between, given that you already blocked Dev the once and that they have two earlier blocks for other reasons. Do you have any insight here? Pings also @RegentsPark (previous block), @El_C (previous TBAN), and @Abecedare (general expertise). -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 21:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Paradoxical, isn't it? I really don't mind an edit about tigers, though. I'd go with narrowing the ban. Abecedare would know what's best to do, I'm sure, but they haven't edited at all for three weeks, and not very amply since August. Bishonen | tålk 21:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC).

I took a quick look and the edits seem fairly innocuous. Gnomish with many images thrown in. Perhaps we should ask Dev0745 what they're up to. Why all their edits, while benign, since the topic ban are violations? Narrowing the ban is fine with me as well but I'm curious to see what they have to say.RegentsPark (comment) 02:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. @Dev0745: Could you please read the above and then answer RegentsPark's question? To be clear, we're not asking you to defend the edits you've been making in general; we all agree that they mostly look constructive. Rather, we're trying to understand how this came to happen. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 05:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey all. I reverted this edit NOT because I thought it was any sort of boosterism; but this revision was not an improvement. Since then, I reverted a few more of their edits because they were poorly written. BhagyaMani (talk) 08:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I have just tried to edit page which are not directly related to topic of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan but related to Asia. Dev0745 (talk) 08:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dev0745: well, to be clear, that is still a violation of your topic ban. Indian animals are a part of India. That said, the three of us admins are in agreement that your edits about South Asian fauna have generally been fine, and there's no point in enforcing the ban here if you're causing no harm. So I am going to loosen the ban. I am going to change it to a ban from politics, religion, and culture in India and Pakistan. I want to be clear, that includes some of the articles you've been editing about tribes. You need to stop editing about ethnic and social groups in India, because that's too close to what I initially banned you for. But the edits about Indian animals, and anything else about India that isn't politics or religion or culture, you can keep doing that. Does that make sense? -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 09:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

As you wish. Dev0745 (talk) 12:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Quick question

Hello,

I do not want to be accused of gaming the system, but a great deal of my edits recently are denials of ESp requests. I do not think those count as edits- is there a chance I might be accused of gaming the system? (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 00:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, 3OpenEyes. They count as edits — everything you publish is an edit — but I don't see how your contributions could be regarded as gaming the Extended confirmed protection requirement of at least 500 edits. The edits you make aren't semi-automated or pointless or anything like that, which is what we look for when we suspect gaming. You clearly give pretty much every request individual consideration, and answering one of those requests is a useful action. I don't think you have anything to worry about.-- Bishonen | tålk 07:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I just wanted to make sure-especially when half of the requests are "add citation" (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm going to sound stupid, but does utilizing user scripts such as Terasail's Edit Request Tool count as semi-automated? (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 12:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Bhjbggoonnv SPI

Hi,

I tried to make an SPI but as an IP user I was unfortunately not able to so I came here instead. I strongly believe Bhjbggoonnv is using a new account ever since you implemented a ban for this editor. New account OrebroVi was created only days after Bhjbggoonnv was banned and one of its first edits was to vote Keep the article Faris Al-Hammadi which was created by Bhjbggoonnv which was very suspicious. I discovered also many other blatant give aways showing they are operated by the same individual.

Both accounts edited Martin Kramer which is a very obscure article: Bhjbggoonnv - OrebroVi. In the latter edit, OrebroVi adds a wikilink to Middle East Forum, whose mention was first added by Bhjbggoonnv. This an article Bhjbggoonnv edit warred on. OrebroVi also made identical edits to this on Daniel Pipes who created this think tank and this edit is identical to the initial edit on Martin Kramer, and they all added the label Islamophobic.

On Quranic studies, they edit warred as they were attempting to cite the Yaqeen Institute as a source. It just so happens that Bhjbggoonnv created said article.

There are major resemblances in terms of language they use. On Islamism, both accounts have made similar edits and used identical edit summaries like "Referenced addition": Bhjbggoonnv - OrebroVi. Both accounts have used this exact edit summary dozens of times each.

On the Pilegesh article, which is again a very obscure article, both accounts also made very similar edits and again used "Referenced addition": Bhjbggoonnv - OrebroVi

One final example on Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham where both accounts made both added Israel as an opponent of the group but were they reverted both times: Bhjbggoonnv - OrebroVi

I found more examples of similarity but I think this is quite enough to show a definitive proof of the connection between Bhjbggoonnv and OrebroVi.

It would be much appreciated if you would take a look. 86.187.239.124 (talk) 15:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

A very extensive comparison of the editing history of the two accounts has left me without any doubt that this is the same person. I have blocked the sockpuppet indefinitely. I'm also inclined to make the bock on the original account indefinite, but I thought I would consult you, Bishonen, rather than doing it unilaterally. What do you think? JBW (talk) 23:57, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, JBW, my new computer is messing with me. I do agree, and I note Vanamonde93 has now CU-blocked Bhjbggoonnv. And thank you for the information, IP 86.xxx, much appreciated. I was not indeed ignoring you on purpose. Bishonen | tålk 09:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC).

Own block

I've read User:Bishonen/Self-requested blocks, and I accept the conditions. Please block me. Thank you very much! MathKeduor7 (talk) 15:42, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Blocked for two weeks, hope you feel better soon. Bishonen | tålk 16:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC).

Spider6man

Have a look at their block log and edits after they were unblocked , I think they are WP:NOTHERE.- Ratnahastin (talk) 16:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Ratnahastin. Four blocks in three weeks is certainly alarming. As soon as one block expires, it's a matter of hours before the next has to be applied. Now they have just been blocked for a month by Doug Weller; if there's more disruption after that, I'd definitely recommend an indef. Bishonen | tålk 19:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC).

Something you may want to look into

See Special:Contributions/Jkwon55 and User talk:Jkwon55#January 2025. Almost all edits reverted (those not tagged were often manually reverted when I checked them), and the editor seems determined to push a racist, right-wing POV since April of '22. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Wow. Indeffed. Hello there, Mr Hammerpants. Bishonen | tålk 20:03, 16 January 2025 (UTC).

You are as decisive, swift and efficient (and gorgeous) as always. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi

If I should shut up then you have my permission to tell me that. Polygnotus (talk) 18:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't actually think you're helping, no. If I had a penny for every time I've seen the statement "reblocks are cheap", I'd be a moderately wealthy woman. It's completely untrue; reblocks are very expensive, in terms of time, effort, and patience. And here you are with the variant "it's easy to reinstate the topic ban". No, it isn't easy, it's hard. Therefore, I need certain undertakings before I lift this ban, and your telling Mark what you think he should say simply makes anything he does say less credible. Bishonen | tålk 20:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC).

OK, thank you. Sometimes I am too optimistic, sometimes I am not optimistic enough; it is difficult to find the balance. I do think that it should be easy to reblock/retopicban, but not everything is as it should be of course. Polygnotus (talk) 21:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC)