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==Please post below==
=Messages below please=


==You've got a mail== ==I'm around a lot more now!==
Well, now that we on the Movement Charter Drafting Committee have published the final text of the proposed ] (ratification vote coming up soon!), I can finally get back to the work I've been missing so much here on this project. I figured I should look at backlogs, and first off I'm going to work on clearing the IPBE requests; that will take a while, as it isn't top priority for most checkusers. Then there's SPI and other CU requests, as well as getting back into OS requests. Feel free to ping me if I can be of assistance. ] (]) 02:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


== Notification ==
{{ygm}} ] <small>(] • ] • ])</small> 08:32, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


I reference the questions you asked at ] in this case clarification request. I figured this crosses the threshold of when it's a good idea to give someone a courtesy notification. ] ] 03:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
== Sorry about that ==


== IP address blocked ==
I'm sorry, it was a stupid assumption. --] <sup>]</sup> 00:57, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
: Heh, no worries, {{u|AmaryllisGardener}}. Kind of refreshing to bump into someone who doesn't know me by reputation! I actually thought a bit about your suggestion, but I know I'm about to undertake a major project with the FDC, and I think I'm going to focus on pushing hard on the notability front as well, because I think that's the best way to start ridding ourselves of all this highly POV commercially focused editing that really is something of a worry. ] (]) 01:34, 1 April 2015 (UTC)


@Risker
== Disambiguation and userspace drafts ==


You have blocked my IP address, so I can't edit. Although I may have made mistakes in the past, I have familiarized myself with all Misplaced Pages policies. Please reconsider and unblock my IP address.
Hi Risker. I was working on a disambiguation clean-up recently, and noticed you were doing something similar. Do you know what is best to do with userspace drafts? It started when I moved ] to ] and created a disambiguation page in its place. While cleaning up the links to the rugby union player, I came across and blanked ] (see the page history). But was unsure what to do with ]. Maybe a different approach is better, such as leaving a talk page message. If those users are around, they will also get pinged about this. ] (]) 13:55, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
:I'd probably blank the page. It's pretty obvious from the user's contributions that he created the page on his user page and then copied it over to create the new article. Meanwhile, that data on his userpage is just confusing to anyone who winds up there. For both examples you give, it also looks like the users are long gone, so it's unlikely to result in any backlash. I'm not really working on dab pages; the one I made yesterday was because someone overwrote an article I was watching with...well, let's just say there's an AFD on the "new" content right now. I moved the original article back where it belonged, and created the dab page to make it easier for anyone to find it during the AfD. Once the AfD is over, I'll either delete the dab page (if the "new" article is deleted, because the dab won't be needed any longer) or I'll add some hatnotes to the articles if the AfD results as "keep". ] (]) 15:21, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
::I noticed that AfD. I'm guessing you will end up deleting that dab page. There must be an easy way to find pages that need disambiguation pages created. The same with biography pages without talk pages. See ]. There was a time when someone with a bot went round finding and tagging those. Maybe someone still does, but not so often. ] (]) 17:42, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


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==Notice of inactivity==
:You seem to be editing pretty well, at least when you're logged in. I haven't done many IP blocks in the last year, and most of the time I am making them more accessible (e.g., allowing logged-in editors to edit instead of blocking all editors). I really don't want to have to use the CheckUser tool to find out what IP address or range you are using, since you are able to edit logged-in. If you are encountering difficulty logging in or editing while logged in, that's a bit of a different story. If that is the case, the best step would be to email the address listed on ] so that it can be further reviewed by the CheckUser team. ] (]) 17:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Just in case anyone is wondering why I'm relatively unresponsive right now, and will be for the coming month or so, it is because I am very busy reviewing FDC proposals as a member of the Funds Dissemination Committee. I also somehow or other wound up being a "volunteer advisor" to the WMF Elections Committee (apparently this is the result of having been an effective member of that committee in 2013 - which does prove that the reward for doing good work is more work...), so I've been giving them some support to start off since they have shockingly little time to actually mount the ] for 3 members of the Board of Trustees, an FDC Ombud and 5 members of the FDC. Watch for the notices. I encourage everyone to vote, because these positions will all have the scope to affect this and other projects as we move forward.


==IPBE for ]==
So, in short, I won't be around a lot until at least mid-May, and won't be undertaking any projects that require extended attention. ] (]) 04:27, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I saw that you granted IPBE to this editor. As the first thing they did was cryptospamming (]), I am inclined to revoke that, but wanted to ask your opinion before doing so. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 07:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know, {{u|Seraphimblade}}. I've revoked the IPBE; while the account met the criteria for the initial grant, this is exactly why it is meant to be easy to revoke. I've been clearing the backlog of IPBE requests (there were over 100, I've lost count....), I'm hoping this will be the only one that messes up so obviously. ] (]) 16:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)


== I will quote you . . . . == == IPBE question ==


Is it generally acceptable for admins to grant IPBE to new editors who are in a geography (or on an ISP) where they'd need IPBE to edit? Was looking at ] and it isn't exactly clear (the request I was reviewing was at ]). ] (] &#124; ]) 17:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
"Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of the living people about whom we write. There is a deadline for them: it is the moment that Google puts our article about them in their top-5 results."
:Hi {{u|Elli}}. Reasonable question. This would probably fall into the "use common sense" category, more so than anything. I deliberately didn't include the "geographies" issue for a few reasons: listing "concerning" geographies is a mug's game since they keep changing and expanding, and it's a potential vector for abuse (and yes, we've seen some inappropriate requests involving these "concerning" geographies). Gonna be honest, by the time an admin starts feeling comfortable in granting any additional permissions to people, they've usually developed a feel for situations where they don't really want to go. We've got a lot of really good and smart admins.


:I think there are also a few issues that need further discussion. Should we be range-blocking IPs that have no history of abuse, simply because they're a VPN or similar? With an increasing number of people and devices only operating effectively through VPNs and similar colocation vectors, should we become more liberal in our granting? How can we deal effectively with the IPBE-related issues that stem from deeply rooted systemic biases that exist outside of our small slice of the internet? Should we request that the developers separate Tor access from IPBE, which would reduce the risk of inappropriate behaviour? There are a lot of things we could be doing better to reduce the need for, and the risk of, granting IPBE. It becomes increasingly difficult to say to people "we want to see a reasonable editing history" when the reality is that they can't even gain access. ] (]) 18:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
I just looked at your user page for the first time today. I could not agree more with the above statement. Spot-on. Editors need to be constantly reminded we are documenting individuals' lives, in what is often the most highly visible "bio" on the web. ] (]) 17:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


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:{{u|Scott MacDonald|Scott Mac}}, it is a pleasure to see your name again; sad that it is in relation to such a challenging situation. I had a bit of knowledge of the twitter thing (although not about a lot of the other allegations in that report), but it's not something I felt I should include in the publicly visible RFAR; while I do have serious concerns about the specifics of this case, I do not see value in going out of my way to include off-wiki personal (although not private) information that was more appropriately forwarded to Arbcom on a non-public basis. I think probably what concerns me the most about this situation is that it was all so very predictable, and that talking to other functionaries who are more accustomed to handling more controversial blocks would have probably resulted in a different action and outcome. ] (]) 15:56, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
::Actually, on reflection, my chief concern is for the individuals now caught up in the worst type of media storm. Don't know how much you know of UK politics, but this one's going to run for a while yet. Feel free to remove this thread, as even discussing it may be unhelpful.--] 16:02, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
:::I may do that soon. I agree with you that this is going to be a rather awful media storm, although see my last sentence. It's also a predictable one. ] (]) 16:05, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
::::Sorry to tread uninvited, but just a courtesy note that I did mention this at Jimbo's talk page. I agree with Scott's last sentence here. I too don't think any more individuals here should be involved unnecessarily, and it would be good if the case is actually opened sooner rather than later to further limit that possibility. Anyway, I digress, as that is something only the esteemed committee can control.... ] (]) 16:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


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Risker, I really did try to walk away, but I'm sorry - I have to say it. What you posted on Giano's talk was the biggest bunch of bullshit I've seen in a while. I know we have disagreed on things, but I NEVER thought I'd see you stoop to such things. I actually considered the fact that your account had been compromised. Please, PLEASE, read things before you post something like that again. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 05:28, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
:Ched, Giano threw the biggest insult at me that he could possibly have come up with, and he did it deliberately and with anger because I dared to challenge him. I have always told him that the line for me was using articles as weapons, and he did it not just once but repeatedly, and in a manner intended to provoke. If he had done it on Jimbo's user talk or some other non-article page instead of one being highly watched at least in part because of other seriously problematic behaviour by another wikipedian (sadly, because of a delay from Arbcom and conflicts with real-world responsibilities, I did not have a chance to file evidence on that matter, but I'm hoping that they figured it out themselves) - he likely would have managed to get the reaction he was looking for; in fact, he probably would have gotten a better one. Instead, he got himself reverted by a bunch of people who just recognized the edits for what they were and didn't ascribe any mystique to the person making them, who took him to the 3RR board, and he got himself blocked - exactly what should have happened. Well, this whole thing has pretty much been a PR disaster for Wikiepdia; but the answer was never going to be "so I'll stick in a bunch of extraneous hoopla into the article to try to make up for what happened before" - there were perfectly good reliable sources that would have pointed to the investigation, they just didn't imply that Jimbo was behind it all. I hope someone is able to figure out how to reference the BBC interview Shapps gave today; that would at least make sense for inclusion. ] (]) 06:38, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
:: Risker, I am sure there is a lot I don't have access to in regards to Shapps. All I know is what is view-able on wiki. You said something to the effect of "do you support inclusion of Jimbo's marriage" ... and that was NEVER something posted in the article. I have no idea what your relationship with Giano is .. nor should I. I am sorry if he insulted you - he shouldn't have. I even admit that anyone who engages in an edit war needs to be attended to. MY point is that at no point in time was there a "Jimbo's marriage" entered into the contents of the article. You questioned me about something that was never posted in the article, but rather you applied what was said in the wp:rs to the article and what I supported.
:: I don't care about "the investigation", because we can't see it. You stated something that was not accurate, accused me of supporting something that was never posted in the article. If people choose to make assumptions from facts, shame on them. Please don't accuse me of things that I have never supported..
:: In looking at the talk page for the article, ... I guess some people can support blindness - I can not. Giano stated facts .. plain and simple. Obviously some people don"t like those facts, but truth is what it is. I live in the US, so I really don't care about a minor official in the UK. What shocked me was you response to it all. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 07:13, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


Kind Regards,
* Just curious: How did Giano insult you? — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 07:17, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
* and how is it different from how you've insulted me? — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 07:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
* psst ... nobody "implied" Jimbo was "behind" anything ... but apparently some people "inferred" it. So it's a "kill the messenger" issue? — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 07:26, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


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* OK ... I'll leave it be. Whatever. Not an issue I care enough about to get my butt toasted. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 07:29, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
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::{{u|Ched}}, just look at the Giano carefully chose in order to support...what exactly? That Jimmy Wales founded Misplaced Pages? Just by making the internal link to Jimbo's BLP, he'd done that. The reference he used, which is very specifically all about Jimmy's wedding to a prominent member of the Labour Party, with lots of other prominent Labour people attending, and has nothing to do with Shapps at all, or allegations of socking, or anything even really about Misplaced Pages, was inappropriate. There are several contemporaneous news items that specifically refer to an ongoing investigation of the block/SPI - not least the one where ChaseMe gives an interview and says it is under investigation and that he has been chastised - which could have been appropriately inserted. The insult was where he says "ne can't help seriously wondering, Risker, if you have spent too long at the cosy heart of the exclusive Wiki-family and have ceased to be as objective and PR-focused as once you were." Now, you may not understand why I find that such an insult...but Giano most certainly should have. It breaks my heart to see someone whose work I have respected for years editorializing in the middle of a BLP, especially with the excuse that his edits should be seen as a statement from Misplaced Pages. And on that note, I have to get up in 4 hours so I'm going to walk away. ] (]) 08:14, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


== Protecting 2024 United States presidential election ==
== sorry ==
Referencing the "heartbreak" mentioned above, I just want to say how sorry I am to see this happen (to all of you). I know it must hurt deeply ... for you, for Bish, for Giano. ] (]) 15:51, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


I just noticed that you goldlocked the article "]". Why? Is it just that much of a contentious topic? Just curious. ] (]) 08:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
== ] arbitration proposed decision ==
:It is indeed a ], and was also having an ongoing edit war. ] (]) 08:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi Risker, in the open ] arbitration case, a ] which relates to you.&nbsp; Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the ]. For a guide to the arbitration process, see ]. For the Arbitration Committee, <font face="Papyrus" size="4" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 13:26, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
::Ah. ] (]) 08:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)


== Talk Page of 2024 United States Presidential Election is also locked (not only the article, which for the article is understandable) ==
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Good evening brother. Just wanted to ask why cant one post a topic on the talk page?
An arbitration case regarding Sockpuppet investigations block has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:


And also I basically just wanted to ask what the hold up is with updating the article?
#The CheckUser permissions of {{user|Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry}} are revoked. He may seek to regain them only by the usual appointment methods.
#The oversight permissions of {{user|Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry}} are revoked. He may seek to regain them only by the usual appointment methods.
#{{user|Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry}} is desysopped. He may regain the tools at any time through a successful ].


Trump was declared the projected winner for 4 hours and the article still shows him as 266. Which is outdated information.
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*Not touching the protection on that talk page; if you really want to pursue it, you can post at ]. The full protection of the article has been lifted now that the predetermined 5 mainstream media outlets have unanimously called the election for Trump. You will see much work done there in the coming hours. ] (]) 10:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you, {{u|BarntToust}}. I think. I'm still half asleep. :) ] (]) 15:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
== your revert ==
{{hat|This has gone on long enough. I've asked before that this not be continued on this page. Please do not continue this discussion here. ] (]) 01:07, 26 July 2015 (UTC)}}
About , two things:
* I have been struggling mightily with that editor to get them to see their COI and restrain himself. That post was remarkably lacking in cluefulness.
* There is a note on the top of the COI page that says "Editors discussing proposed changes to WP:COI or related pages should disclose during those discussions whether they have been paid to edit Misplaced Pages." The editor did not disclose.
That is why I wrote the note. ] (]) 14:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:He has disclosed his conflict of interest. It is on his userpage. That is what is required. If you cannot restrain yourself over this issue, the first step is to contact the editor directly on their user talk. At very, very most, you could say "please see Snowded's conflict of interest statement on his userpage". Your words and tone give the appearance of belittling Snowded's comments for the purpose of furthering your own personal dispute between the two of you, and that is not acceptable. More importantly, having a conflict of interest is NOT the same thing as "being paid to edit Misplaced Pages". If you do not understand that, then perhaps it is time for *you* to stop editing in this topic area. ] (]) 15:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


== #2024110610012222 ==
:Hm. Thanks for your feedback. I disagree with two things that you write. First I am not having a personal dispute with him; I have been working with him to manage his COI. Secondly, being an officer of a company and editing here = paid editing. I do appreciate your feedback on the hounding thing and will not unrevert you. Thanks for that. ] (]) 16:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::See now, that's where I disagree with you. Being an officer of a company and editing in relation to that company are obviously NOT a paid editing situation on Misplaced Pages. If they were, then Jimmy Wales, and every other member of the WMF Board of Trustees, would all be banned editors. ] (]) 16:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::risker paid editors are not banned in WP. They are allowed to be here if they follow the Terms of Use, which require that they disclose and that they follow project policies and guidelines. Our COI guideline says they should disclose and should not directly edit content where they have a COI, and instead should offer content on Talk pages to be reviewed by other editors for NPOV. So... Jimbo Wales should not directly edit content on WP or WMF, for example, but should offer proposed content on Talk pages for such content. ] (]) 16:52, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::::According to your theory, they shouldn't be discussing COI either...since being a Trustee of this organization would put them in COI of discussing COI here. And see, you're doing it again. You're using your personal interpretation of the ToU to deprecate someone else. The ToU doesn't say what you think it says. ] (]) 17:02, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::And just to point out the simple fact that when the conflict started I immediately initiated a request for an which I think is the right thing to do. That resulted in a warning to the other editor. Things blew up again when multiple aggressive COI notices were placed on multiple pages. The COI guideline does not say that editors may not edit pages, it says that they have to be very careful to comply with the rules and should consider not editing but initiating requests instead. The absolutist interpretation of what is a guideline not policy does not help. That said I appreciate what Jtydog is trying to do and I know its difficult but I think it is correct to say that there has been some conflict, the phrase 'struggling mightily' indicates that and was a surprise to me when I read it. But, I know the pressure on editors who take on tasks like COI so I'm personally relaxed about it and I'm trying to work with him/her. However the BLP policy is very clear that editors whose reputation is being challenged should be treated with more consideration that those doing the attacking. The result of all of this is that I plan to outline some possible practice guidelines for those interested in COI issues as soon as the current storm has died down. That contribution was in effect my first step into working on that.----] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 17:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::: So much muddled thinking around COI - and yes David, my warnings to you became increasingly aggressive the longer you persisted in ignoring them. ''You'' are triply conflicted in all this, ''just like the other guy.'' You are not "above this" by any means. In any case, I will keep working with folks. ] (]) 17:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::: And risker, trustees of an organization have a responsibility to discuss and manage COI in the organization. Your argument is absurd there. And I didn't say that David shouldn't participate in the discussion at COI, just that he needed to disclose his status as a conflicted editor in the discussion. ] (]) 17:54, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Of course it is absurd. But it is no more absurd than what you are saying. Your interpretation would prevent academics who have been published from discussing their subject of expertise. Snowded is not being paid to edit Misplaced Pages; he is not a paid editor. He is, in particular, not a paid editor when it comes to the topic of COI. ] (]) 19:56, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Risker you seem to be unaware that Dave is cofounder and CSO of a company that makes money providing consulting services in part using the cynefin framework or model, and that he claims (at least partial) credit for the originating the concept, and his company depends in part on his reputation including the explanatory power of that concept, and the thing he ] was , that attacked the validity of a software product offered by his company and based in part on the cynefin framework. That edit was made by an editor with whom he has a personal dispute outside of WP, who also has a consulting company, and whose company competes with Dave's . Both editors have at least three levels of COI that perfectly clashed in that dif and everything that followed - the brief edit war, the discussion on the talk page, etc. Dave did do well bringing it to the community but that does not make his COI any less present. I will assume that you were unaware of all that, with regard to what you wrote here about the situation.] (]) 19:35, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oi. I am certainly well aware of the conflict of interest. Conflict of interest is not the same thing as paid editing. If you cannot understand that, you need to stop working in this area. Paid editing is things like Elance or other SEO organizations who specifically write for pay, or the PR department of a company. Conflict of interest is not the same thing. Again, if you insist that the two things are identical, which is exactly what you were doing in the edit I reverted, then you need to stop working in this area, because you misunderstand the basic premise. ] (]) 19:51, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


Hey Risker! Thank you for actioning that request. For future reference, what is the correct way to request RevDel without using the Oversight process? The suggestion of 'Find active admins in ]' can be described as tedious at best. There has to be a better way? Thanks in advance, ] (]) 22:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::This is all getting pretty stressful. I have always acknowledged a COI and the second conflict looked inevitable backed off and asked for an independent review. I am an editor of long standing over multiple articles who happens to monitors two articles, one ] the other about ], much cited which I created many years ago and which I teach at University and also present in public (mostly pro bono). The conflict was with another SPA editor whose few edits only relate to his COI and who brought an off wiki campaign to Misplaced Pages. He was warned for that on the independent admin review I requested and the whole thing calmed down. I now have Jytdog raising the temperature on the article, issuing me with multiple threats of ANI referral if I don't do what I am told and now repeating the unsupported allegations that got the other editor warned (linking software to Cynefin and the nonsensical suggestion I didn't create the framework - check Google Scholar). He also seems to be appointing himself as judge, jury and executioner as to the article's content. Advise would be appreciated (including telling me if I have done something against policy) ----] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 20:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|OXYLYPSE}} - you did the right thing. If you're not in a position to raise an admin's attention quietly, you or any other user can make the request through emailing User:Oversight. This is especially important for apparent BLP issues; it's to everyone's benefit to keep that off noticeboards or other public spaces. The Oversight team does review every request that comes in and takes the most appropriate action; often that is revision deletion instead of suppression. Thanks for asking! ] (]) 23:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)


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Let me see if I can help a bit here, because there is a widespread tendency to interpret the COI issue and related guidelines in a simplistic way, which is increasingly unhelpful for everyone. I'm a partner in a law firm. The firm is not notable enough for an Misplaced Pages article, but suppose I were at a larger firm and we had one. If I were to edit the article about my law firm, I would have a "conflict of interest" (the significance of which could be minor or major depending on the nature of the edits). However, I would not be a "paid editor," because my firm pays me to practice law, not to edit Misplaced Pages. Is everyone in agreement so far? ] (]) 18:10, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:A much better expression of one of the points I was trying to make ----] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 18:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you for your illustration, NYB. I am afraid, however, that it falls on deaf ears for those who imagine themselves pure as the driven snow. ] (]) 19:56, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


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::respectfully NYB and Risker, you don't know me from adam. I work at a university and work with conflict of issues every day there. I spend a lot of time working on COI issues here in WP and am very clear on what the ToU say and what constitutes conflicted editing here in WP. I know very well what the clear center of that is, and where the fuzzy boundaries are.
::In general, editors here are way too emotional about this, and jump to conclusions way too quickly about what they think other people are thinking, and both of you appear to be doing that. Both of those - strong feelings and jumping to conclusions - have made most community-wide discussions about COI just about impossible. (not to mention the tension between the absolute value we place on anonymity and the concern many have to protect the integrity of WP wrt to COI editing - which stems from realworld relationships). I would be happy to keep talking here if you are willing to slow down and discuss. Otherwise, not much point. ] (]) 23:24, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::Cute. "Too emotional" is a fancy way of saying "your opinions are invalid". You're the one who is going on and on about this, not me; I suggest it is you who is taking this far too seriously and jumping to conclusions. You've made four edits to expand your opinions here since I last commented. Here's a question for you: is the subject ] notable? If the answer is yes (I have no opinion on the matter), then that makes Snowded an academic subject matter expert (SME), just like the history or math professors (or the medical and biology academics) who write books or receive financial benefits for speaking in their area of expertise. The Board went to a fair bit of trouble to say that academic SMEs wouldn't be covered by the COI provisions because, well, they're academic SMEs. (Of course, the ToU doesn't explicitly state that, so they're still at risk. I believe I've made that point before.) And I'm pretty sure you brought a smile to the face of the readers of this page with your comments about your expertise on conflict management. Newyorkbrad and I were longtime arbitrators, and probably have a bit more understanding about the big picture of Misplaced Pages conflicts than you. Again, the problem I am seeing with your editing here is that you seem to be unable to differentiate between conflict of interest and paid editing, and it seems you're pretty routinely treating them as equivalent. They aren't. Please stop doing that. ] (]) 19:51, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
::::Nope, "too emotional" is what it is. I am discussing further as I struggle with your description and analysis of what went on here. For some reason you are not dealing directly with the financial interests in the simple description of the situation. Please note that Dave his financial COIs on his userpage so there is no OUTING concerns ''in this case.'' Founder and Chief Scientific Officer (CSO) of a company founded in part on using the concept; he also personally provides training and consulting on the concept. Those are facts, that = financial COI. With regard to "paid".... I understand that some may limit "paid" to mean freelancers who contract with clients to write articles for them, but someone whose job in a company is "corporate communications" or "social media" or the like who edits WP as part of their job is also "paid"; it is a very reasonable argument to say that a Chief Scientific Officer who edits WP about part of a company's technology/conceptual platform is also "paid". While the "paid" label is arguable (I will freely grant that) the financial COI is not, and in light of that the "paid" label is just quibbling of the kind that consumes way too much time here. I do understand that Arbcom has taken a very hands off approach to COI and I believe I understand why; perhaps the lack of willingness to address the financial COI in this case is part of that cautionary approach. But leaving it out of the description leads to an incorrect analysis. ] (]) 20:16, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::Jytdog, your edit was reverted because you decided to deprecate another user's edit by claiming that he was a paid editor. Even you now have admitted that your assessment is questionable, and is your own definition, not the one from the ToU or from the broad community. Can I be assured that you will stop making such claims against people in the future? Given the (not unreasonable) community perception of paid editing, calling someone a paid editor when they aren't is tantamount to a personal attack. You should only ever be using that phrase when you have incontrovertible evidence that User ZZZ has received direct financial payment for edits on Article QQQQ. Editing in an area where one has a conflict of interest is not the same thing as paid editing (if it was, then every Greenpeace member should probably be banned from editing any article related to the environment). Ironically, a lot of paid editors never return once the article is created and survives for a few weeks; once they've got their money and their positive review, that's pretty much the end of their activity. We do have some topic areas where there is no doubt paid editing has massively influenced content, even to the extent of creating notability requirements that are driven by the industries involved; I do agree that paid editing is a problem; however, despite my having pointed out one particular area where it is endemic several years ago, it seems nobody really has the willingness to take it on and start moving to clean it up. Of course, there are probably a lot of respectable editors who really don't want those articles to show up in their contributions. Including me. ] (]) 20:35, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::I am way past the revert - I accepted that at the very top of this thread and that is not what I've been talking about. As for the paid editing thing, that term only arose here because of the specific language at the top of ] - it is not language I use generally because it is a huge distraction from the core issue of the actual conflict of interest at play. What is the area where you see paid editing as endemic? If it is not too much stepping-in-dog-poop I would be happy to have a look. ] (]) 20:53, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::Oh, it's probably very much stepping-in-dog-poop; I'll send you an email, since it's not even a topic I want to have discussed on my page. (Google searches give the darnest results...) If you're really "way past the revert", then can I assume you will not go around adding commentary to the comments of people who edit that page, accusing them of being paid editors when they don't meet the strict definition? If you can assure me of that, then I think we're done here. If you're unwilling to be conservative in your allegations, then there's still a problem. ] (]) 21:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::::does that mean that the following accusation made early on by Jytdog will now be struck? I quote " As the founder and CSO of Cognitive Edge, you would be classified as a "paid editor" here for topics related to that company." Given the above I assume so and that I am entitled to claim to be a SME on the subject, although I am happy to accept that any edit by me on the article othe than those which are minor should be change requests on the talk page. If so I'm OK ----] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 21:10, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yes Risker the Snowded thing is just a current not-yet-done-cooking issue so no - you have nothing to be concerned about ongoing with me continuing to do that. (I see you are looking for a definite answer on the behavior thing, and you have it). (And Snowded my comment was reverted by Risker moments after I made it, so I don't know what you are asking about) Just want to add for everybody here that in my work on COI, I have generally found that when I ask editors who have a COI to disclose it and to refrain from directly editing content where they have a COI, most everyone has seen the value to WP in managing COI and has agreed to do both, without much fuss at all. A few people get "prickly" as you are doing, Snowded, but that is rare. I think the complicating factor of your dispute with the other editor might make this more intense and hotter than usual. But we seem to be done here. ] (]) 21:36, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
{{od}}If you remember Jytdog I had already declared a COI in the past several times but when you raised it I readily agreed to do that in the specific form you requested and to use the talk page requests where there was any ambiguity. I am irritated at being accused of being a "paid editor" and I think you might just have the decency to withdraw that and acknowledge the SME point. that would take the heat out of any interaction between us ----] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 21:55, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
:I'll pick this up with you on you Talk page, Snowded. ] (]) 21:59, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


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Hi Risker, hope you are well! I've not been around for a while, but I noticed the discussions on Freedom of Panorama relating to the harmonisation of EU copyright laws. You commented that you thought the wrong message was being sent. One of the things that I think is being missed here is that potentially photos that people uploaded to Commons many years ago may get retrospectively deleted. If this does run into the tens and hundreds of thousands, the motivational effect on those who uploaded pictures or use them to illustrate their articles, could be immense. I know from personal experience what it is like to have large swathes of images deleted (look at my ] for the deletion notices). If these changes take effect (and that is a big if) and if Commons (as seems likely) goes on a big deletion spree, then the practical effect is likely to be to discourage large numbers of (in some cases) highly active contributors to the point where they may even cease contributing. That may be in part because those enforcing the rules at Commons overlook the effect of their deletions, but it is something that should be considered, IMO. Can you think of any way to mitigate the impact on people who may not understand why their images are being deleted, if it does come to that eventually? I am going to raise this point on the Wikimedia-l mailing list as well. ] (]) 11:13, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
:I wouldn't go so far as to say that the rule enforcers would be deliberately overlooking the demotivating effects of deletions; to be honest, I suspect that they depend on it to at least some extent to reduce the likelihood that the user will upload further problematic images. In order to survive, Commons has pretty much had develop a near-automated process and comparatively rigid copyright evaluation structures, and I'm not really sure the copyright focus is a bad thing. On the other hand, there is some pretty widespread questioning of some of the interpretations of copyright (including freedom of panorama), because Commons pretty routinely takes the hardest line it can take. It would be heartbreaking, though for images by contributors like {{u|Diliff}} to have to be removed from Commons; some images are used on dozens if not hundreds of articles. I would hope that we can come up with some sort of system that allows those images to be imported to any project that allows free use, although some of them will have to be modified considerably to meet that criterion. I don't have a good answer. <p>On the other hand, much as Wikimedia projects will be *diminished* by the absence of the images, the articles will still exist. They will be much less than they could be in a lot of cases, and I agree that the strictest interpretations of the proposed legislation will have a very negative effect on probably over a million articles across hundreds of projects. I objected to the word "must" in the proposed banner; I am not particularly opposed to the banners, though. I found the blacked out images on DEWP to be disconcerting (and since my German reading comprehension is questionable at best, I wasn't sure how to dismiss that), but I do understand its purpose. ] (]) 19:53, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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== Sorry about that ==
The following website was added to the spam list back in 2011 . The organization took the advice of the editors and made the necessary modifications to make the site more collegial and a bit easier to navigate for students. Is it possible to get the site removed from that list? <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">]</font><sup>]]</sup> 00:50, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
I mentioned it there, but I just wanted to reiterate here that in the light of day one of my comments at ] was rude. Sorry about that.


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== Question about recent close ==
{{hat|This is as far as I'm going to let this go - It's a wiki, find something to do... ] (]) 20:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)}}
I apologize for bothering you as I know you're busy but I'm confused about your recent and I was hoping you could clarify your thinking for me. The close appears to me to be based on two things: applying 2014 policies to 2011 disclosures and that COI doesn't apply to nonprofits. On the first point, that editor was at the time of those disclosures that she may have a COI and that her edits then were not recommended. I don't understand how bringing it up now is an application of today's policy on those disclosures. On the second point, there's nothing now or in the previous COI guideline that says nonprofits ''aren't'' included in COI; it seems to me that the executive director of a nonprofit could have motive to want their site included in External Links. And since it was made very clear that the editor was an executive director of a nonprofit back in 2011, it seems clear to me that the editors that informed her of the COI interpreted the guideline as applying to nonprofits.


:Oh RevelationDirect, just the other day I was accused of kicking dogs. I do not find anything you said to be particularly rude at all. Bottom line, though, I am really impressed that you hold yourself to such a high standard. It's a challenging discussion, for sure, but I think the focus has been on improvement and re-humanizing the process. ] (]) 16:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Obviously I'm missing something because by my reasoning, the discussion shouldn't have been closed for those reasons. Would you mind explaining where I've gone wrong? Thanks very much. ] (]) 01:51, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:Read the close. It's self-explanatory, actually. Volunteers don't have a COI - read ] with regards to the definition of "interest". I think the outing on the templates may be more of an issue, but we'll see when OS finishes the review. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">]</font><sup>]]</sup> 02:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:Atsme was and is the Executive Director of a nonprofit company. Whether that is paid or unpaid, it is a position with fiduciary responsibility. I am asking you to please reconsider your close. Thanks. ] (]) 02:18, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


== No big deal... ==
::I edit-conflicted with Jytdog when I was about to post this response to Atsme: What this new information shows is that, at least part of the time you were adding those links, you weren't acting in a volunteer role, and you did have a conflict of interest at the time, {{u|Atsme}}. This concerns me quite a bit; I assumed good faith that your statement that you were a volunteer was true, and now I feel somewhat misled. Instead, you were including your name and your position in the organization to ] to add and keep those links; pointing that out is not outing. (There are several of your edits I've now seen that are not suppressed and include this information and I say this as one of the most liberal of oversighters: I wouldn't have suppressed them.) I'll have to go back and correct my close now. As to your post above, the website is not on the spam blacklist on this project nor is it on the global spam blacklist, so there is nothing to remove. (Hint: if there is an external link to a blacklisted site, the page will not save.)
::For Ca2james and Jytdog, the 2011 rules do still apply for edits that were made during that time; simply review the articles in question from an objective point of view and determine if the external link is useful and would meet our ] for inclusion. If not, they should be removed, but some of them may be of high quality as "further reading". ] (]) 02:33, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:::Thank you very much for your clarification and for updating the close. I didn't realize you were operating under an incomplete set of facts when you first closed it; knowing this explains why you made the close you did. Also thanks for explaining next steps with these links. ] (]) 03:52, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
You know that she's not only the executive director. The evidence also suggests that she's the founder.] (]) 02:41, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:The exact nature of her association with the organization is pretty much immaterial at this point; anyone claiming to be an executive director of an organization is acting in something other than a volunteer role, even if they aren't paid. The conflict of interest was confirmed at the time of the edits (and is reconfirmed now). There's no percentage in being vindictive, though; our job is to produce a good encyclopedia, and sometimes that means using information that is provided by people who have more than just Misplaced Pages in mind when they add links or information. I recognize the difficulty here: if this is a topic area where one has little knowledge, one might make an inaccurate assessment of the value of certain information (weighting it either too positively or too negatively). Perhaps involving a relevant wikiproject or a subject matter expert might be an idea. ] (]) 02:52, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
::I was just pointing out a piece of information that was contained in the evidence at COIN. There is a COI. But no big deal. You have pointed out to atsme that she does have a COI. Now the external links in the highlighted articles can be reviewed to see if they meet current polict standards. In addition the website in question was also used as a source in a few of the articles. A few if the sources were written by the individual that Atsme has claimed to be. Where applicable these sources should be checked against current Reliable sourcing criteria.] (]) 03:00, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:::I was not paid - in fact, I contributed $$ to EWS the same way I contribute $$ to WP. Being on a Board for a small nonprofit doesn't mean you're getting paid. The organization focuses on public dissemination - volunteer writers who provide academic information. I donated footage to EWS, and as such had access to hours of footage that I could upload to Commons to improve the encyclopedia. Please don't be misled by all this COI talk, Risker. The topic hasn't changed. I'm still retired. We're talking about articles and biological information about fish. Jytdog spent 20-24 hrs in one week editing "voluntarily" on WP overseeing his suite of Monsanto & GMO articles. Let's say he gets paid for his work as a biotech or academic researcher whatever. Is he not more dedicated to his volunteer position on WP than I ever was with mine? Are the articles he oversees conflicted? Were my articles conflicted? These are all things that need to be weighed and measured. What is the end result? In my situation, WP got 3 GA and a FA plus uploads of rare u/w to enhance those articles. What did the Monsanto article do for WP? The GMO and GMF article? I think we may need to reevaluate what a true COI actually means. I simply share academic information that is related to the biology of fishes or whatever - I'm retired - when I was volunteering for EWS, I did whatever I could in my spare time. The Board of EWS is made up of fisheries biologists and academics. We meet once/year. It's all volunteer. There is no COI - no fiduciary responsibility - didn't have any then, and don't now. Public dissemination is actually not expensive to provide as evidenced by WP volunteers. The articles in question were already scrutinized under GA and FA reviews - they passed the test - where is the COI? <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">]</font><sup>]]</sup> 03:04, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
::::Payment is not the relevant factor, {{u|Atsme}}, it is the fiduciary relationship that you have with the organization. I get that it's about fish, which is about as neutral a topic as we're ever likely to see a COI in. Let's see if I can explain where I'm coming from by using a Wikimedia example. Wikimedia Foundation has an entirely volunteer Board of Trustees. They get no money for being on the Board. But they also have to agree that their first loyalty is to the Wikimedia Foundation if there is a competing interest; they must resign board positions from any subsidiary groups (chapters, organizations or user groups), and regardless of whether they are elected by the community, selected by chapters, or appointed by the Board itself, they do not hold constituencies (e.g., the trustees selected by the chapters may not act on behalf of the chapters, but must act in the best interests of the WMF). In your case, you were acting in the best interests of the non-profit which you have helped to organize. It is undoubtedly a worthy cause. But if there is a conflict between what Misplaced Pages needs or wants, and what your organization wants to have published on Misplaced Pages...well, this is a classic conflict of interest. Money doesn't have to be involved at all; it's the ''interest'' that is in conflict. Now, I sincerely hope that individuals who actually know something about the topic area will review the relevant information, especially if the articles have already gone through extensive peer review such as FA and GA; frankly, there's nothing worse than someone who doesn't understand the topic going through and messing around. But it puts Misplaced Pages in a very difficult position - no different than if the volunteer chair of the board of the Wyoming SPCA starts editing articles that include links to their organization. It's being done in good faith, and it's being done to share information, but it's not being done with complete indifference. ] (]) 04:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, but why doesn't my retirement count? <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">]</font><sup>]]</sup> 05:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::I'd expect it to count if you had retired from Earthwave and were no longer involved with the organisation as executive director or on the board. A person can be retired from their "main" career and still be working. I know a few people who've done that: they work at something for a long time, retire, and then start a new career or expand a former hobby into a new career. ] (]) 05:54, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


Hi, I haven't edited for almost 2 years, but I've been lurking (just a bit). I came across RECALL and its REWORKSHOP more by accident than design and I was so pleased to see you being active there. It certainly needs your special touch. It inspired me to throw in just two or three minor comments, and though I'm certainly not staging a comeback, I still have a vested interest in both encouraging potential admin candidates to throw their hat in the ring without fear, and even more important to ensure they get a ''fair deal'' when they get the bit - or lose it. Warm rgds, ] (]) 07:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
* Thank you Risker. What I was looking for in the COIN posting was simply confirmation of the COI and for Atsme to follow the COI guideline and to disclose it clearly and for her conflicted edits to be reviewed in light of it, I agree that the sourcing and ELs need to be reviewed case by case. Thanks again. ] (]) 06:52, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:I am sorry to quibble but there is something left to fix in your close. It starts out saying "Incorrect application of a 2014 policy to 2011 edits" Atsme's edits from 2011 didn't stand - the links to Earthwave are from when she returned in Jan 2014, as described in the COIN case (which I know is long) If you would just delete that first bit of the close, that would be great. Thanks again. ] (]) 07:15, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
::Exactly, and I was retired. I sent the information to OS and am waiting for the final evaluation. Emeritus status is not an active status - it is an honorary position. It was months into 2014 before I edited any of the fish articles. Risker, please re-evaluate your close based on the information I provided in the email. Thank you. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">]</font><sup>]]</sup> 12:31, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:::I have seen no indication that there has been a change in Executive Director from when you first disclosed in 2011 up until today. Even if you step down from that role tomorrow and completely separate from the organization, the active COI has been present from your first edits in 2011 and through your return starting in 2014.. until the day when you step down. And even after that, there will still be a close association since you founded it in 1994 and ran it up until you stepped down (that is at least 21 years, should you step down tomorrow). ] (]) 13:01, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
::::Emeritus - retired. You are wrong about the COI for retired persons. I don't own any stock in EWS. I was a volunteer. I'm no longer active as executive director - I'm emeritus. That's as much personal information as you need to know as simple volunteer editor on WP. You have no other OS rights. Drop the stick. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">]</font><sup>]]</sup> 13:23, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::<s>I have seen nothing in the RW that reflects that (I note that someone to state that you became some kind of emiritus at that day ; the site didn't say that earlier this week nor for example. (you are listed as , btw) You updated the Earthwave FB page through last year tracking your WP editing, and as recently as March of this year remarked on your pride in your videos. The ongoing relationship with the organization is clear. ] (]) 13:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC)</s>
What is your problem, Jytdog. It doesn't matter when things were updated. I've been traveling. There was no need - no pressure - I'm retired. The only one with any issues about my retirement is YOU. My user page is dated prior to any dates that you think conflict. Let it go. You are not the one I have to prove anything to - all you need from me is my declaration that I am retired and have been since January 2014. The earthwave.org now confirms it. What you're doing now is trying to force me into an active position with an organization I am no longer active with as executive director. I'm emeritus. It doesn't prevent me from volunteering information - public dissemination- which is what I do right here on WP. Jiminy Cricket, Jytdog. Drop the stick. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">]</font><sup>]]</sup> 13:44, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


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{{od}}<s><small> {{ec}} with an edit to my post above. Posting this revision, and ending my involvement with this.</small> I note that you, as you note above, to state that your status changed just as you describe above - this changing of sites you have managed in response to these COI issues (like the deletion of about Racz) is becoming a pattern. The Earthwave site didn't discuss your emiritus status earlier this week nor for example. (you are listed as , btw - and as you noted you still control the website. What kind of "emiritus" status is that?) And the earthwave site doesn't say who is now actually running the organization. You updated the Earthwave FB page through last year tracking your WP editing, and as recently as March of this year remarked on your pride in your videos. The ongoing relationship with the organization is very clear. All this drama and sleight-of-hand is unnecessary. Please stop creating drama. Meh and double meh. </s> I am going to stop discussing this is as it starting to feel just... filthy and will leave it to others. ] (]) 13:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC) (strike ] (]) 19:26, 6 July 2015 (UTC))
Inspired by Worm That Turned's ] where he noted administrators don't get a lot of feedback or suggestions for improvement, I have decided to solicit feedback. I'm reaching out to you as you are currently one of the users I've selected as part of my ]. I hope you will consider taking a few moments to fill out my ''''''. Clicking on the link will load the questions and create a new section on my user talk. Thanks for your consideration. Best, ] (]) 16:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
:No, wait just a minute. You have been digging far deeper into my personal life and work associations than what you as a WP editor have a right to do. I want something done about your probing into my private life. For you to do what you've done goes way beyond what our policies allow. You're acting like the FBI. I was simply trying to establish my retirement so there wouldn't be any question. You brought it up to begin with and I accommodated by providing the evidence you needed. What you're doing now is disputing what I'm telling you. Why? It's my disclosure - the notice of my retirement is on my user page - I made it more publicly visible for your benefit. What you've done with your ridiculous allegations and "probing" into my personal life is sway consensus into believing your POV. The declaration of my retirement was made. Your behavior is what is seriously questionable. If you're doing such probing into the private lives of individuals you believe have a COI, there's a big problem. There is also the fact that you accused me of COI on two articles that were not even remotely connected. This is really, really bad. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">]</font><sup>]]</sup> 14:07, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
*Enough, {{u|Jytdog}}; stop haranguing people. We're talking about half a dozen links, half of which are on pages that have already gone through community review and were deemed to be reasonable additions to the page. I don't accept this sort of thing on my talk page. You are not, under any circumstances, entitled to this level of personal information about anybody on Misplaced Pages, conflict of interest or no. ] (]) 18:23, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:I agree that my posting was distasteful and have struck it. I realized that i had followed Atsme down the petty-hole which is why I said "done" above. As I on my Talk page - this is not some Earthshattering COI like Wiki-PR or Wifione. Her organization is small; her COI has affected only a few articles. The only huge thing here is her denial. I notice that you have not oversighted my comment and I do not believe it falls in the territory of what is oversightable. But I agree - it was distasteful and I apologize for sullying your page with it. Again - out of here ] (]) 19:26, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
::PS: Risker your close is still not accurate; the relevant edits are from 2014 and 2015, <u>and the goal of the COIN posting was not to have the links deleted, but to have the COI declared and the edits examined individually in light of the COI - that's all it was for. I realize that Atsme and others blew it up into the more than that, and that I derailed myself above a bit, but the posting and my goal were much more modest</u>] (]) 19:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC) (finish the thought ] (]) 19:43, 6 July 2015 (UTC))
:::Risker, you've done the best you can. In light of my emeritus status and being forced to disclose more info than any other editor has been forced to disclose, my retirement, my willingness to let the outing go, and the time table I emailed to OS, I hope you will consider reverting back to your original close. I don't see how you could go wrong with it. Our first instincts are most reliable. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">]</font><sup>]]</sup> 19:41, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
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While I didn't expect any action, I question how you could state that there was no reasonable basis to bring the claim. A banned user, with a vendetta against the article, promised to avoid his ban to target the article. He did so through an IP on multiple occasions last year. Now, an almost identical IP makes the same edit, and you claim that that's not a reasonable basis for suspicion? Am I the only one who can see that 124.180.170.151, 124.180.144.121, and 124.180.110.1 all trying to delete the same article is at least a little suspicious? ] (]) 02:00, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
:I've answered at the SPI. And no, I think it's someone who has a different view of Australian wrestling than other editors have, an issue that's pretty much endemic in wrestling articles. The two IPs you've listed are obviously not going to turn up as socks of each other, and this isn't even at the WP:DUCK level given the actual sparseness of SPI findings over the years. There hasn't been a block of an actual sock since 2010; there have only been disruptive editing blocks. ] (]) 03:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|Risker}} Just want to add that Gary has been demonstrating such a high level of paranoia over Punk that he'll suspect any IP that does anything to an Australian article that'll lead to possible deletion. I suggested to him that he disengage for this reason as he isn't helping, and I was rudely dispatched off his talk page. If you look at the SPI archive, you'll note that I caught Punk red handed IRL (I know his real name and his history in the local pro wrestling biz) and my presence here now should prevent him from continuing his previous antics. So far - AFAIK - that has been the case. I have most Australian wrestling articles on my watchlist, except for Buddy Murphy that I recently removed from it, and if he is stupid enough to show up again legit I'll be onto him. ] (]) 23:58, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


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Hi, I noticed your recent block of this user for block evasion. You might look at this notification https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Venustar84#User:Bluestarcanada where it is shown the two users are identical. The Bluestarcanada account exhibits all the same behavior, including disruptive category creation, posts identical material to the ref desks, and is still active. Thanks. ] (]) 15:56, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
:I came here to see what account/block ] is thought to be evading since there is no information in the block notice or on the user talk page. <font face="Papyrus" size="4" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 20:40, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
::While I'm not going to decline to answer your question {{u|Liz}}, I would like you to articulate clearly why you feel you need to know this information. When you review the edits of the account (if you have looked at their contribs, I'll lay you odds you can figure out which evading account it is) then it's very clear that there is a serious behavioural issue not compatible with participation. There's another hint: why would this account be autoblocked? I'll post the name on your user talk in a little bit, but I'd like you to think about these points first. There's no unblock request, there's no indication that anyone in the community is concerned that the block was not appropriate, and there was plenty of evidence of socking well before I blocked. ] (]) 22:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
:::], I don't need to know any of this information. I asked because I have had interactions with this editor a while back and I was surprised to read that they had another account. Typically, if there is socking going on, the other account is identified in the block rationale so that is where my expectations were at.
:::As for guessing who is who, I'm terrible at that. I don't think I would be adept at being a Checkuser because I don't seem to see what is obvious to others when accounts are socking unless the usernames are near identical or a new account is making similar edits right after the previous account is blocked. Sock hunting is not a talent I have and I'm more than happy to leave that pursuit to those who have it!
:::So, consider my inquiry withdrawn. I was never questioning your admin decision to block, by the way, I just get puzzled when the explanations for blocks are a little cryptic. But there is no need to post this information to my talk page. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my question. <font face="Papyrus" size="4" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 23:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


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I am open to hearing your criticism of my work at COIN (you expressed concerns at Arbcom) as I know I screw up - and maybe I have been working with some bad assumptions that need correcting - but I hope that you would be open to discussion. Shall we talk? Would be happy to do so here, or via email or phone which we can set up offline off course, as you will. ] (]) 14:04, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
:Hello {{u|Jytdog}}. I'm happy to have some discussion with you, but I've got some specific wiki-plans for today that involve other people so I am not really available today. I've also got to get ready to go to Wikimania (for FDC orientation...anyone who thinks these things are vacations should see my schedule...) so perhaps trying for something on Monday or Tuesday might work. I'd prefer to do this onwiki as much as possible. ] (]) 15:07, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::Great thanks. I am watching your page, so whenever you are ready. ] (]) 15:13, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::Hi. I'm still hoping to talk with you about COI issues as I don't understand your views on COI broadly - and specifically with regard to individuals who use Misplaced Pages to ] their own views and publications per ]. I know last week you were busy and then there was Wikimania.... just letting you that I would like to continue the discussion. Thanks ] (]) 14:13, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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Risker, I'm up and available to gchat. I've never used gchat, so hopefully it's relatively intuitive. Ping me when you're ready. I may step away from the computer for periods of time but I should be around generally.--] (]) 14:49, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
:Hello {{u|Bbb23}}. I have sent you a gchat invitation, you should see it when you log into gmail. What say we team up at the top of the hour? ] (]) 15:02, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::Which hour? You posted this at 15:02. You mean 16:00?--] (]) 15:07, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
:::Yes please, 1600 UTC is perfect. ] (]) 15:09, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::::Will do.--] (]) 15:12, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::Logged in but don't see an invitation. Somewhere special I should be looking?--] (]) 16:06, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::Left hand side of your screen? If there is a sign that says "you are invisible" click it, and the invite should show up. ] (]) 16:10, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::::I'm looking at the regular Google search page after logging in. It looks the same except that it shows me logged in, there's a button for notifications on the upper right (I have none), and that's pretty much it. There's nothing on the left side of my screen except whitespace. Maybe there's an account setting I need to change? I looked around but didn't see anything that jumped out at me.--] (]) 16:16, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Darn technology with all its variables...Let's try email. ] (]) 16:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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== One last question for clarity, please? ==

I just want to be clear in my mind that even though I retired in January 2014, the final determination is a COI regarding the 3 or 4 fish articles I edited after April 2014? Does that also mean I am not ever allowed to cite EWS or link to its PBS documentaries for as long as I live because of my previous involvement? Also ] states: {{xt|using material you have written or published is allowed within reason, but only if it is relevant, conforms to the content policies, including WP:SELFPUB, and is not excessive. Citations should be in the third person and should not place undue emphasis on your work. When in doubt, defer to the community's opinion.}} How does one make a citation in "third person"? Does that mean another editor could cite EWS or B. Wills and it be acceptable? Thank you in advance for clarifying. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">]</font><sup>]]</sup> 19:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

:The answer to your last question is that you write it just as if you had nothing to do with it: "The Sun is really, really big. Footnote: Expert, Alice (2015) ''The Size of the Sun''. Random Publisher. p. 23" instead of "My research shows that the Sun is really, really big. Footnote: Me." ] (]) 22:01, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
::Oh, that's a good way of describing it, WhatamIdoing. Thanks for picking up on this while I was away. {{u|Atsme}} I hope you found this helpful. ] (]) 00:11, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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I'm surprised how well that edit filter appears to be working. Worrying. ] (]) 22:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Samwalton9}} good grief! Yeah, that's really really effective. Thanks again! ] (]) 06:25, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
::Is there any progress on this? ] (]) 20:17, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
:::Noting that I have replied directly to Samwalton9. ] (]) 00:10, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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Looks like she is evading block again. See ]. Should I start spi? or Behavioral evidence is enough for the block? I think it's a duck and should be blocked immediately. Thank you ] (]🔹]) 01:34, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
:Hello {{u|Supdiop}} - I am not in a position to review this at this time as I am at Wikimania; either an SPI or bringing it to the attention of another administrator would be appropriate. ] (]) 06:24, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

== Old edit question... ==

I've been expanding various ] articles, and ], as the US distributor of said films, tends to come up tangentially, especially because 5 Gamera films (and a parody song) ended up on MST3K. I see your to his article in 2014 were unsourced BIO removal and an OTRS ticket item, which might have been name and birthplace(?). Per the unsource, I went looking for sources. IMDB has the same information that was removed, so clearly it's out in the public. I'm wondering what the nature of the OTRS is, then, and whether IMDB is RS enough to source the same info from there and put it back in the article. Can you clarify some of this? Thanks! ] (]) 23:35, 25 July 2015 (UTC);
:IMDB is never enough to source anything that is disputed, and since this information is disputed, {{u|MSJapan}}, it's not going to be able to be used here. We're perhaps a bit more responsive than IMDB (especially about birth information, which we know can be used inappropriately by persons other than the article subject) when it comes to concerns expressed by article subjects. For all we know, IMDB sourced their information from the old versions of the Misplaced Pages article, which didn't meet sourcing standards. Sorry I can't help you further in seeking this information. ] (]) 00:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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  • Vancouverguy - Jun 07. Long dorman admin account, apparent compromise.
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  • Robdurbar - Apr 07 - mass blocking, self unblocking, deletion. Wonderfool.
  • Husnock - Dec 06. Admitted shared password, desysop confirmed by Arbcom in full case.

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I'm around a lot more now!

Well, now that we on the Movement Charter Drafting Committee have published the final text of the proposed movement charter (ratification vote coming up soon!), I can finally get back to the work I've been missing so much here on this project. I figured I should look at backlogs, and first off I'm going to work on clearing the IPBE requests; that will take a while, as it isn't top priority for most checkusers. Then there's SPI and other CU requests, as well as getting back into OS requests. Feel free to ping me if I can be of assistance. Risker (talk) 02:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

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I reference the questions you asked at WT:RFA in this case clarification request. I figured this crosses the threshold of when it's a good idea to give someone a courtesy notification. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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You have blocked my IP address, so I can't edit. Although I may have made mistakes in the past, I have familiarized myself with all Misplaced Pages policies. Please reconsider and unblock my IP address.

ᱤᱧ ᱢᱟᱛᱟᱞ (talk) 14:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

You seem to be editing pretty well, at least when you're logged in. I haven't done many IP blocks in the last year, and most of the time I am making them more accessible (e.g., allowing logged-in editors to edit instead of blocking all editors). I really don't want to have to use the CheckUser tool to find out what IP address or range you are using, since you are able to edit logged-in. If you are encountering difficulty logging in or editing while logged in, that's a bit of a different story. If that is the case, the best step would be to email the address listed on WP:IPBE so that it can be further reviewed by the CheckUser team. Risker (talk) 17:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

IPBE for User:Lynnzh0913

I saw that you granted IPBE to this editor. As the first thing they did was cryptospamming (Draft:Aibit exchange), I am inclined to revoke that, but wanted to ask your opinion before doing so. Seraphimblade 07:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Seraphimblade. I've revoked the IPBE; while the account met the criteria for the initial grant, this is exactly why it is meant to be easy to revoke. I've been clearing the backlog of IPBE requests (there were over 100, I've lost count....), I'm hoping this will be the only one that messes up so obviously. Risker (talk) 16:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

IPBE question

Is it generally acceptable for admins to grant IPBE to new editors who are in a geography (or on an ISP) where they'd need IPBE to edit? Was looking at User:Risker/IPBE and it isn't exactly clear (the request I was reviewing was at User talk:Caralice). Elli (talk | contribs) 17:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Elli. Reasonable question. This would probably fall into the "use common sense" category, more so than anything. I deliberately didn't include the "geographies" issue for a few reasons: listing "concerning" geographies is a mug's game since they keep changing and expanding, and it's a potential vector for abuse (and yes, we've seen some inappropriate requests involving these "concerning" geographies). Gonna be honest, by the time an admin starts feeling comfortable in granting any additional permissions to people, they've usually developed a feel for situations where they don't really want to go. We've got a lot of really good and smart admins.
I think there are also a few issues that need further discussion. Should we be range-blocking IPs that have no history of abuse, simply because they're a VPN or similar? With an increasing number of people and devices only operating effectively through VPNs and similar colocation vectors, should we become more liberal in our granting? How can we deal effectively with the IPBE-related issues that stem from deeply rooted systemic biases that exist outside of our small slice of the internet? Should we request that the developers separate Tor access from IPBE, which would reduce the risk of inappropriate behaviour? There are a lot of things we could be doing better to reduce the need for, and the risk of, granting IPBE. It becomes increasingly difficult to say to people "we want to see a reasonable editing history" when the reality is that they can't even gain access. Risker (talk) 18:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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Protecting 2024 United States presidential election

I just noticed that you goldlocked the article "2024 United States presidential election". Why? Is it just that much of a contentious topic? Just curious. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 08:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

It is indeed a contentious topic, and was also having an ongoing edit war. Risker (talk) 08:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Ah. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 08:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Talk Page of 2024 United States Presidential Election is also locked (not only the article, which for the article is understandable)

Good evening brother. Just wanted to ask why cant one post a topic on the talk page?

And also I basically just wanted to ask what the hold up is with updating the article?

Trump was declared the projected winner for 4 hours and the article still shows him as 266. Which is outdated information.

Sources:

https://www.foxnews.com/elections

https://elections2024.thehill.com/

https://abcnews.go.com/Elections/2024-us-presidential-election-results-live-map 2806:2F0:1080:F8C0:9901:73EA:1D3F:3883 (talk) 10:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  • Not touching the protection on that talk page; if you really want to pursue it, you can post at WP:RFPP. The full protection of the article has been lifted now that the predetermined 5 mainstream media outlets have unanimously called the election for Trump. You will see much work done there in the coming hours. Risker (talk) 10:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

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For your work bringing cohesiveness and order to 2024 United States presidential election during AP's, CNN's, ABC's, CBS's and NBC's reporting last night; for making sure orderly process and structure were facilitated on Talk:2024 United States presidential election. Admins like you are the best! BarntToust 13:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, BarntToust. I think. I'm still half asleep. :) Risker (talk) 15:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

#2024110610012222

Hey Risker! Thank you for actioning that request. For future reference, what is the correct way to request RevDel without using the Oversight process? The suggestion of 'Find active admins in Category:Wikipedia_administrators_willing_to_handle_RevisionDelete_requests' can be described as tedious at best. There has to be a better way? Thanks in advance, OXYLYPSE (talk) 22:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi OXYLYPSE - you did the right thing. If you're not in a position to raise an admin's attention quietly, you or any other user can make the request through emailing User:Oversight. This is especially important for apparent BLP issues; it's to everyone's benefit to keep that off noticeboards or other public spaces. The Oversight team does review every request that comes in and takes the most appropriate action; often that is revision deletion instead of suppression. Thanks for asking! Risker (talk) 23:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

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I mentioned it there, but I just wanted to reiterate here that in the light of day one of my comments at Misplaced Pages talk:Administrator recall/Reworkshop was rude. Sorry about that.

I look forward to (more) politely continuing to share our different perspectives! - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh RevelationDirect, just the other day I was accused of kicking dogs. I do not find anything you said to be particularly rude at all. Bottom line, though, I am really impressed that you hold yourself to such a high standard. It's a challenging discussion, for sure, but I think the focus has been on improvement and re-humanizing the process. Risker (talk) 16:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

No big deal...

Hi, I haven't edited for almost 2 years, but I've been lurking (just a bit). I came across RECALL and its REWORKSHOP more by accident than design and I was so pleased to see you being active there. It certainly needs your special touch. It inspired me to throw in just two or three minor comments, and though I'm certainly not staging a comeback, I still have a vested interest in both encouraging potential admin candidates to throw their hat in the ring without fear, and even more important to ensure they get a fair deal when they get the bit - or lose it. Warm rgds, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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