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== Worship? == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2024 == |
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If I were to have landed on earth from another planet, or a distant country, and read this article, I'd assume nearly all the best about B.C. after reading it. The intro itself is filled with superlative adjectives and emphasizes his "accomplishments" based on narrowed polls which really reflect more the economy of the time than the person himself. Where is the personal analysis of said "man?" <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 04:37, 11 February 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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In the section titled "2016 presidential election and after", in the 4th paragraph, there is a sentence that contains the statement "both Bill and Hillary endorsed her and appraised Biden for his years in public service". The word "appraised" should be changed to "praised" ] (]) 21:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC) |
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{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 18:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC) |
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I agree, the BC page could use a section on foreign relations as well as terrorism. It is troubling that no mention is made of his handling of the embassy bombing or his ignorance of Bosnian War Crimes. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:07, 14 June 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Someone needs to re-add the relations with Jeffery Epstein section == |
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I recovered parts of it but it’s slightly scrambled and needs to be fixed. |
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I don't want to get in a reversion war when I am not an expert on the topic. reverted . {{user|Whywhenwhohow}} and I seem to disagree on this. I will call in some experts on the topic.--] <small>(]/]/]/]/]) </small> 06:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::I agree with the revert of that contribution which seemed to contain links to very parisan articles. Republican revolution? Other links are not needed as they are in the article already elsewhere. Some stuff seems like it would be uncontroversial to return while other stuff should remain off the page. Please discuss this and not just look outside the article for input before a discussion is actually made here.--] (]) 06:38, 19 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:::I'd put back the links to lists by age & succession, & the Vietnam link; the Republican Revolution might be a bit POV, but that's how it was characterized & that's when it happened. (Not having read the page, if it's more about why & how than when, I'd delete it, too.) ] ]</font> 13:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC) |
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In the early 2000s, Clinton took flights on Jeffrey Epstein's private jet in connection with Clinton Foundation work |3833| According to Epstein's attorney Gerald B Letcount, Epstein was "part of the original group that conceived of the Clinton Gional Initiative*|3e5) In 2002, a spokesperson for Clintan praised Epstein as 'a committed philanthropist" with "insights and generosity"* While Clinton was president Epstein visited the White House at least 17 times. P/Ja) Years later, Epstein was convicted on sex trafficking charges. Clinton's office refused a stutement in 2019 saying. |
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Many of those links violate the guidelines on link clarity, easter eggs, and dates (], ], ]). Also, it is not necessary to link American or United States in the English Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 03:17, 23 February 2013 (UTC) |
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*President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York. In 2002 and 2003, President Clinton took four trips on Jeftrey Epstein’s airplane: one to Europe, one to Asia, and two to Africa, which included stops in connection with the work of the Cinton Foundation. Staff, supporters of the Foundation, and his Secret Service detail traveled on evory leg of every trip. Has not spoken to Epstein in well over a decade. |
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:Please explain your individual objections to each of the following that I would like to restore to the article: |
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::{{u|Whywhenwhohow}}, please comment on these items individually by the end of the month or I will do a wholesale reversion.--] <small>(]/]/]/]/]) </small> 03:28, 15 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:::As I have stated on your talk page, I will be reverting these soon since you have failed to respond to my February request to discuss your changes in detail.--] <small>(]/]/]/]/]) </small> 06:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:::: I have not been around and just saw your messages. I will try to respond soon. ] (]) 05:55, 6 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::O.K.--] <small>(]/]/]/]/]) </small> 09:41, 6 April 2013 (UTC) |
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::::::I am trying to be patient.--] <small>(]/]/]/]/]) </small> 15:27, 17 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::::It has been a month and you have not been willing to discuss your changes. I am about to revert.--] <small>(]/]/]/]/]) </small> 00:13, 7 May 2013 (UTC) |
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{{od}}I have been patient. I am now going to revert.--] <small>(]/]/]/]/]) </small> 03:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC) |
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:Yes this needs to be re added. Not sure why it was removed as its all cited ] (]) 22:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:It was not removed, it was moved to ], by the person who did it ] (]) 18:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC) |
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This article is almost 150 KBs long, which is 50 KB more than recommended. There are a number of sub-articles pertaining to Clinton, and some of the content should be moved to them while being summarized here. In particular, I would urge that recent content about Clinton's actions be moved to the article ]. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 16:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:The article is only 53054 characters of readable prose. The other 100,000 characters are formatting, images, captions, citations and such. The 60-100 kb length is based on readable prose. No further splitting is necessary.--] <small>(]/]/]/]/]) </small> 21:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC) |
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The article appropriately mentions DOMA and (in what I'd argue is a contextually inappropriate manner, since it fails to describe its nature as a compromise intended as a step toward full integration, after Clinton's attempt at full integration was widely regarded to be doomed due to Congressional opposition) DADT. However, it fails to mention the numerous positive things Clinton did for gay rights. To quote from ] the LGBT rights in the United States page, " President, Clinton issued executive orders banning discrimination based on sexual orientation in the federal civilian workforce and successfully lobbied for a doubling of HIV/AIDS research, prevention and treatment funding at the federal level. He also (unsuccessfully) lobbied for passing hate crimes laws for gays and the Employment Nondiscrimination Act. Clinton was the first President to select openly gay persons for Administration positions, appointing over 150 LGBT appointees. The first openly gay US ambassador, James Hormel, received a recess appointment from the President after the Senate failed to confirm the nomination." (The citations for all these claims are listed there in a page that -- full disclosure -- I helped edit.) |
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These significant positive advances should be mentioned, along with the fact that while (as this article mentions) DOMA may have "strained" Clinton's relationship with the gay community, he still had broad support from gay Americans and gay groups after it (like the Human Rights Campaign and The Advocate Magazine, both of which endorsed him in 1996). Right now it sounds like Clinton's policies toward and relationships with gay Americans was largely negative, whereas the reality is that they were (for their time) moderately positive. (That DOMA would have passed without Clinton's signature, since it was passed by a veto-proof majority, should also been mentioned, though his signing it (of course) had immense symbolic importance.) ] (]) 17:20, 17 April 2013 (UTC) |
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Bill Clintons links with Epstien have been removed. These were all cited links. Is Wiki Censoring?? ] (]) 23:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> —] (he/him) <small>If you ], add <code><small>{{reply to|Eyer}}</small></code> to your message.</small> 23:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:I would agree with you that Clinton did many positive things for gay rights. You mention several of them above. Why don't you put these facts in the article and document them. It would be a good addition. As far as being overly negative, I just recorded the facts as they were stated by the participants and some reactions from critics. |
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::It is quite clear what change should be made, that is, reverting the change that removed the Epstein links with B. Clinton. ] (]) 05:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Recall that Clinton flatly stated during his campaign that he would overturn "don't ask don't tell", and then broke his promise within a week of inauguration. I like the man. But lets face it—his record during his second term on gay rights is a mixed bag. I did not even mention that ] omits any reference to his signing of DOMA. If Clinton is so proud of his DOMA strategy "as a compromise intended as a step toward full integration", why not mention it in his autobiography? My personal feeling: One expects a George Bush to sign a bill like DOMA. One doesn't expect it of Clinton. The NY Times called it an act of cowardice (cited), and I could not agree more. |
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::https://en.m.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Bill_Clinton&diff=prev&oldid=1236064272 ] (]) 06:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::It was reverted back in August: ] ] (])<sup><span style="color: green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> 01:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:When I was adding the DOMA paragraph I considered adding a whole section about gay rights. But I did not do so because if would require a fairly major revision of the format of the whole article. Another problem is that there is a lot of overlap between this article and the article ]. Perhaps entire gay rights discussion belongs there. The two articles together need a little bit of reformatting. |
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** I'm a bit confused. Did I accidentally state above that DOMA was a "step at full integration"? DOMA was just flagrant anti-gay legislation. DADT is a more complicated issue. Let's remember that Clinton -- as President -- advocated for openly gays serving in the military and compromised on DADT when he knew he lacked the Congressional support. His failure to mention DOMA in the biography may reflect poorly on him personally, but it doesn't relate to his actions for gays as President. (And on DOMA, I think we should clarify that it was past with nearly two dozen votes more than it needed for a veto-proof majority; I agree that a veto would've sent an immesnely powerful message, and he was wrong to sign it; but it should be noted that his signature wasn't exactly the deciding factor for DOMA to become law.)] (]) 20:35, 17 April 2013 (UTC) |
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The redirect <span class="plainlinks"></span> has been listed at ] to determine whether its use and function meets the ]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 22#Bill C}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> ] (]) 09:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:If you want to expand and revise the paragraphs on gay rights, I would be willing to help. I agree that more should be said. The recess appointment of ] was (unlike DOMA) especially courageous.--] (]) 19:18, 17 April 2013 (UTC) |
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::This is wrong. Clinton vowed to end the ban on gays in the military! That was a blanket ban on anyone who was gay! Clinton said Don't Ask don't tell don't persue! Previously you could ask and persue and out someone and then they would be kicked out! Clinton's policy was a huge step forward in allowing homosexuals in the military! The negatives was that homosexuality was still banned by the military so more people were removed because of it but the issue was Clinton tried to keep homosexuals in the military and liberalized the policy! ] (]) 17:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Qwerty, do I detect a lack of complete commitment to your ideas when you wrote, "This is wrong"? I notice you ended all of your other sentences with exclamation marks (I can't begin to say how persuasive they make your argument) but you omitted the shouty punctuation in the first sentence. That omission might be a slip that betrays how you won't be there when the chips are down. ] (]) 19:17, 23 June 2013 (UTC) |
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::::The statement in the talk section was wrong but the article is right. Clinton did not in 1992 vow to repeal DADT but the total ban on gays in the military! DADT was the liberalization. ] (]) 20:53, 23 June 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::You have avoided the point very successfully!!!!! ] (]) 04:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== Kosovo was a province of Serbia - Serbia was a republic of Yugoslavia! == |
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Wording indicates too much that Kosovo was not a part of Serbia within Yugoslavia but was a province of Yugoslavia as a whole and not within Serbia as a province! ] (]) 17:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== Bye == |
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It seems political experts have arrived to take this to FA. I will be bowing out of watching this page.--] <small>(]/]/]/]/]) </small> 07:48, 30 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== Photo of the EPA headquarters renaming ceremony == |
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I tried to attend the EPA headquarters renaming ceremony (in honor of Clinton) with camera in hand but I was told that I was not on the list. I had contacted the press office before hand, showed up at the South entrance, and was told I could not attend because I was not on the list. It would have been a great picture but alas to no avail. ] (]) 15:10, 17 July 2013 (UTC) |
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== Student Council at Georgetown University == |
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This is mentioned, underneath what appears to be a poster for his campaign: "Clinton ran for President of the Student Council while attending the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University." However, there is no mention of it whatsoever in the article itself. If there is information about it that can be properly referenced then it should be included. If not, it should be removed from the sidebar. ] (]) 01:37, 4 August 2013 (UTC) |
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== Allegations == |
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OK. I noticed that someone made a bold edit to move a subsection with a non neutral heading to its own section based on their perception that allegations deserve a full section. I would argue they do not, but neither do they deserve a sub section. Highlighting these "allegations" is undue weight. Yes, the word allegation is used in the sources. That isn't the issue. The first source I checked for the first broad claim was not actually supported by the reference. It may well be that a number of edits have taken place that changed the meaning of the prose. But I also have another concern and I will have to do a little reading in the archives to get caught up but...there is an entire article about allegations? really? Uhm...that doesn't sound like that is within our BLP policy. Regardless how famous a person may be, they are still a living person and we should handle each piece of information in as neutral a manner as possible. For now I am going to remove the subsection and rewrite that first line to better reflect the source by adding some balance that wasn't included in the summary of the story used from 1998.--] <sub>]</sub> ] ] ] 08:34, 4 August 2013 (UTC) |
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Here is the line in question and the reference: |
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{{quotation|Clinton has been subject to several allegations of sexual misconduct, though he has only admitted extramarital relationships with ] and ].<ref>{{Cite news| url=http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/14/us/testing-president-accuser-jones-lawyers-issue-files-alleging-clinton-pattern.html | title=Testing of a President: The Accuser; Jones Lawyers Issue Files Alleging Clinton Pattern of Harassment of Women|work=The New York Times | date=March 14, 1998 |accessdate=August 30, 2011 | first=Francis X. | last=Clines}}</ref> |
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{{Reflist|30em}}--] <sub>]</sub> ] ] ] 09:24, 4 August 2013 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2024 == |
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Problem is...that source is from 1998 during the Lewinski investigation and if you read it, there is no admission from Mr. Clinton about Lewinski. The source is also the lawyers of Paula Jones making these sweeping allegations so, basically we would have to clarify this as to how there are allegations in such a manner. The source seemed to be used just to add a reference behind allegations, and as well known as these allegations may be, they are still allegations. I believe something along these lines is more encyclopedic: |
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{{edit semi-protected|Bill Clinton|answered=yes}} |
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{{quotation|In 1998 lawyers for Paula Jones released court documents contending a pattern of sexual harassment by then Governor Clinton. Main lawyer for the President, Robert S. Bennett, called the filing "''an organized campaign to smear the President of the United States''".<ref>{{Cite news| url=http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/14/us/testing-president-accuser-jones-lawyers-issue-files-alleging-clinton-pattern.html | title=Testing of a President: The Accuser; Jones Lawyers Issue Files Alleging Clinton Pattern of Harassment of Women|work=The New York Times | date=March 14, 1998 |accessdate=August 30, 2011 | first=Francis X. | last=Clines}}</ref>}} |
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I propose updating the "Relationship with Jeffrey Epstein" section to include recent developments. |
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{{Reflist|30em}}--] <sub>]</sub> ] ] ] 09:39, 4 August 2013 (UTC) |
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**Suggested Addition:** |
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This will rescue the reference but need not be redundant undue weight by adding into the prose.--] <sub>]</sub> ] ] ] 09:47, 4 August 2013 (UTC) |
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"In 2024, unsealed court documents revealed allegations that Clinton had visited the offices of Vanity Fair and 'threatened' the paper not to print stories about Epstein's sexual trafficking. Former Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter denied the incident ever took place." |
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:Silly me. Multiple alleged sexual assaults by various womens by a president is merely a public image problem. What was I thinking. '''] ''' 12:42, 4 August 2013 (UTC) |
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::Perhaps the same as you are thinking now...a personal point of view? And yes, it is rather silly. Sarcasm aside, no we don't give undue weight to "allegations" by placing the term in a section and segregating all that negative information into one single section.--] <sub>]</sub> ] ] ] 23:53, 4 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Waitaminute, waitaminute. What does being "allegations" have to do with anything? Personally, I think it's undue weight to just insert three paragraphs of sexual-conduct allegations into the "Public image" section; segregating it out into its own subsection helps compartmentalize it and keeps it from overwhelming the rest of the section. It also facilitates placing a link to ], which is an important subarticle. ] <sup><small><small>]</small></small></sup> 12:43, 6 August 2013 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks for noticing. '''] ''' 21:06, 6 August 2013 (UTC) |
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::::::Importance is not a factor here. That article is not important and has many issues. I see no reason to link it in the manner that was done as it was undue weight.--<font face="Mistral" size="3;" style="text-shadow:1px 1px 3px #999;">]</font> 19:51, 17 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::Still a BLP violation to segregate all negative information and the term "allegation" should not be used in the header. How does that effect a link to another page?--<font face="Mistral" size="3;" style="text-shadow:1px 1px 3px #999;">]</font> 19:43, 17 August 2013 (UTC) |
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**Source:** (https://nypost.com/2024/12/29/us-news/top-jeffrey-epstein-revelations-of-2024/) |
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Bill Clinton's Wiki page now has a header above it stating the following: |
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— NAX1999 (talk) 12:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC) ] (]) 06:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC) |
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"This article may require cleanup to meet Misplaced Pages's quality standards. The specific problem is: There is no section dedicated to, nor even links to the many well documented scandals attached to Bill Clinton, ie Whitewater, Waco, extramarital sexual affairs/harrassment,Jim and Susan MacDougall, Vince Foster, Web Hubbell, Lani Guiner, Zoe Baird, Monica Lewinsky, etc.. Please help improve this article if you can. (August 2013)" |
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:{{Not done}}: please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> Not in the supplied source. ] (]) 07:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Misplaced Pages Deletes Truthful Info == |
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If you read through the page you will find many of these events and people documented through out the page with a few having been hyper linked to send the reader to a wiki page for that particular issue. I believe that this header has been put in place by a person with a negative opinion of the Clinton's. In comparison to George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush you will not find the same headers. The pages are laid out in similar fashion to that of Bill Clinton's page with controversies included in the body but not prominent as a sub section. |
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Why is Misplaced Pages deleting information that was once confirmed as truth from their pages? Bill Clinton’s link to Jeffrey Epstein is a great example. Currently there’s only one link to Epstein and it’s not Jeffrey. Prior to July 20,2024 there was more than a dozen links on Bill Clinton’s page to Jeffrey Epstein. ] (]) 22:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I believe that it is necessary to take down this header as it automatically causes the reader to develop an impression of Mr. Clinton before reading the first sentence. If anything this should discussed behind scenes and not directly on the front page until a decision is reached. |
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:There's 100 hours of recordings by Jeffrey Epstein talking about his friendship with ]. Any idea why their relationship was scrubbed from the Trump biography? ] (]) 23:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC) |
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] (]) 19:38, 17 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:I agree.--<font face="Mistral" size="3;" style="text-shadow:1px 1px 3px #999;">]</font> 19:40, 17 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:: Me too -- but it looks like it was already by ]. -] (]) 22:01, 21 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:It was not removed, it was moved to ], by the person who did it. ] (]) 18:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:See above comment, it was validly moved to another sub-article. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 00:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:::Yep--the editor didn't agree, to put it mildly. Hey Pete, how you doing? ] (]) 22:21, 21 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:Yes, a section that becomes too long can be moved to a separate article, per WP policies. ''However'', it is likely warranted and best practice to keep a small summary of it in the main article (this one), while including a link to the full separate article. Moving the section entirely, without keeping a summary, has the effect of obscuring/hiding the information. Most people will only go as far as checking the main wiki bio art. ] (]) 11:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC) |
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::::Frankly I'm too disgusted to comment much on why the thing that Clinton will be remembered for long after he's dead and the US has dissolved doesn't rate even a subsection under public image. (There should be a "Ciminal allegations" major section for the various ones made.) But if he'd made even one snotty comment against certain powerful minority groups on Misplaced Pages it would be a big major subsection, as I've seen in so many other articles. Guess the to bring more members of the majority sex into Misplaced Pages isn't doing too well. This sort of thing doesn't help. '''] ''' 13:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC) |
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::How would a summary of that whole page look like though, if the Epstein mention were to be retained it would probably be necessary to mention all sections from that page. ] (]) 21:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC) |
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{{od}}Soapbox and smears at "certain powerful minority groups" wink-wink, we can't imagine who you mean, are out of place on this page. They are disruptive. Please stop and discuss content and policy if you disagree with the consensus here. ]] 14:27, 23 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:POVs that form alleged consensuses are always relevant. See you are still following me to articles you've never edited to direct the same questionable refrains at me, . Wikihounding is another reason a lot of women quit Misplaced Pages. '''] ''' 14:36, 23 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:: You don't speak for all women, ]. Certainly not this Wiki-loving woman! Now, can we drop the personal banter and get to work on improving this article? ] (]) 04:03, 24 August 2013 (UTC) |
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::If you are again insinuating that you will hound me off articles on my watch list due to my gender, you are mistaken and the threat is way out of bounds. ]] 01:25, 24 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:::That'll teach this uppity ]. '''] ''' 04:05, 24 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:::: ], what exactly are you seeking to emphasize with "woman born woman" in contrast to me? At least have the courage to state an insult plainly. ] (]) 04:53, 24 August 2013 (UTC) |
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::::::Supplied wikilink to feminist phrase. Article does need more refs. '''] ''' 05:06, 24 August 2013 (UTC) |
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In the section titled "2016 presidential election and after", in the 4th paragraph, there is a sentence that contains the statement "both Bill and Hillary endorsed her and appraised Biden for his years in public service". The word "appraised" should be changed to "praised" Jlunbeck (talk) 21:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
I recovered parts of it but it’s slightly scrambled and needs to be fixed.
In the early 2000s, Clinton took flights on Jeffrey Epstein's private jet in connection with Clinton Foundation work |3833| According to Epstein's attorney Gerald B Letcount, Epstein was "part of the original group that conceived of the Clinton Gional Initiative*|3e5) In 2002, a spokesperson for Clintan praised Epstein as 'a committed philanthropist" with "insights and generosity"* While Clinton was president Epstein visited the White House at least 17 times. P/Ja) Years later, Epstein was convicted on sex trafficking charges. Clinton's office refused a stutement in 2019 saying.
In the External Links section, the Bill Clinton template appears first and then in related articles without need!
I propose updating the "Relationship with Jeffrey Epstein" section to include recent developments.
"In 2024, unsealed court documents revealed allegations that Clinton had visited the offices of Vanity Fair and 'threatened' the paper not to print stories about Epstein's sexual trafficking. Former Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter denied the incident ever took place."
Why is Misplaced Pages deleting information that was once confirmed as truth from their pages? Bill Clinton’s link to Jeffrey Epstein is a great example. Currently there’s only one link to Epstein and it’s not Jeffrey. Prior to July 20,2024 there was more than a dozen links on Bill Clinton’s page to Jeffrey Epstein. 136.34.10.113 (talk) 22:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
level-5 vital article is rated GA-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
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Done PianoDan (talk) 18:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Eyer (he/him) If you reply, add 
The redirect Bill C has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 22 § Bill C until a consensus is reached. jlwoodwa (talk) 09:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Not in the supplied source. Meters (talk) 07:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)