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Another fork of settlement, sigh. You can't include fact templates in an infobox template, unless you also arrange to pass a date. ''] ]'', 02:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC).
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:Really everything in the infobox should be from the article,and hence referenced there. ''] ]'', 04:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC).
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::As for the second part of your comment (that everything in the infobox should be from the article and referenced there), I would hardly be the one to disagree, but in reality folks just add those dumb infoboxes without ever bothering to work that same stuff into the text (let alone reference it properly). About 95% of the existing infoboxes are unreferenced, and hence should be marked as such.
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::Fork-wise, {{tl|Infobox settlement}} does not work well for Russia—it has too many confusing and easily misused parameters which are not really applicable, does not have a number of important parameters which ''are'' applicable, and does not allow to group the parameters that work logically. Trust me, if it were possible to adapt {{tl|Infobox settlement}} to work for Russia properly, I wouldn't be wasting my time developing a Russia-specific template. Cheers,—] • (]); 14:32, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
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:::What makes you think that {{tl|Infobox settlement}} cannot work for Russia properly? Have you raised your concerns on its talk page? ] (User:Pigsonthewing); ]; ] 01:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
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== embedded and prev_name1_ref do not work ==
== Name ==
{{ping|Underlying lk}} you removed <code>embedded</code> in and <code>prev_name1_ref</code> in , which causes "unknown parameter" warning in some articles, e.g. in ]. It looks like some other parameters should be used now, but I cannot guess which ones. Is there any way to fix this issue?
:It looks like Underlying lk is not around. I have restored {{para|embedded}}. I don't know the history of {{para|prev_name1}}, but it looks like it has not displayed in this template for at least five years. It puts articles in {{cl|Russian inhabited locality articles with obsolete place names}}. – ] (]) 03:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


:Thank you very much, it seems to work now. I'll try to remove the remaining "unknown parameters" from that article. ] (]) 21:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Yesterday, I moved this template to ''Infobox Russian settlement'' (and related pages likewise); that being both shorter and more memorable, given its similarity to ''Infobox settlement''. Today, has reverted me, with edit summaries including the pejorative "''Please do not make changes to things you do not understand.)''". Can anyone make a case that the original name is better, or shall we move it back? ] (User:Pigsonthewing); ]; ] 14:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

:Hi, thanks for trying to make things better, but, unfortunately, you didn't. "Shorter" and "more memorable" is surely a laudable goal, but in this particular case "settlement" is the worst possible term one could choose. A "settlement" in Russia may be one of many different things&mdash;yes, it could means "inhabited locality", broadly construed (although that usage is not common as applied to larger cities and towns, in articles on which this infobox is primarily deployed), but it also means a certain type of a rural locality ("{{lang|ru|посёлок}}"), a certain type of an urban locality ("]"), and, confusingly, two types of ]s ("urban settlement" and "rural settlement"). Confused yet? And I am not even delving into the historical aspect of all this! "Inhabited locality", on the other hand, has none of those deficiencies and ambiguities; plus, this term is very close to the original Russian term ("{{lang|ru|населённый пункт}}").
== 2021 census? ==
:Here's an example for you to ponder on. ] is a settlement (a settlement of rural type, if you use the full designation) in ]. That Bolshakovo is a "settlement" means that it is a rural locality, but it is not a village, it is not a '']'', it is not an ], and so on and so forth. A "settlement" is one of the many types of rural localities that exist in Russia; that's the primary meaning of the word (and unfortunately, there is no better synonym to replace it with to avoid ambiguity ''completely''). Together with urban localities, rural localities comprise the inhabited localities of Russia.

:For more background details on the terminology, please see ]. It's not the best written article, but it should give you a general idea of what is going on here. The gist is basically that we are trying to avoid using an ambiguous term overloaded with incompatible meanings (which apply to pretty much the same context!) by all means possible. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask me (here is fine). Cheers,—]&nbsp;•&nbsp;(]); 15:07, September&nbsp;9, 2009 (UTC)
The 2021 census was three years ago, but the template only allows data from the 2010 census, which is very outdated. Why has no one bothered to update the template yet? ] (]) 12:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

:I've wondered the same thing. The closest thing would be to use the pop_latest and pop_latest_date parameters, but those are for estimates, not for actual census figures. Wonder if someone will get around to it eventually. ] (]) 18:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

::Ran into this problem today at ]. This template ought to be merged with ]. ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 23:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
:::I would not object to that. ] (]) 06:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::::It has been already merged to Infobox:Settlement, against objections of people who actually worked with the template (including myself), and this is exactly the reason it is not functioning properly, and there is nobody around who can easily fix it. ] (]) 06:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::It hasn't been merged, but converted to a wrapper. If it had been deleted and the basic template used, this wouldn't be an issue nor would anything need to be changed. ] (]) 10:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::^That. ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 21:36, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Anyone is welcome to edit the sandbox to add 2020 census parameters. – ] (]) 11:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

== pop_latest ==

Why I dont see pop_latest data in ] infobox, bit instead I see an outdated ref to 2018? --] ] 19:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, weirdly I see in the footnote list " Оценка численности населения на 2024 г.", but I dont see where this footnote is attached. --] ] 20:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
:The template code prefers the 2018 Wikidata info over a manually entered parameter. Per this conversation and the above, this template needs a code update, tested in the sandbox. – ] (]) 16:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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embedded and prev_name1_ref do not work

@Underlying lk: you removed embedded in this revision and prev_name1_ref in this revision, which causes "unknown parameter" warning in some articles, e.g. in Veliky Novgorod. It looks like some other parameters should be used now, but I cannot guess which ones. Is there any way to fix this issue?

It looks like Underlying lk is not around. I have restored |embedded=. I don't know the history of |prev_name1=, but it looks like it has not displayed in this template for at least five years. It puts articles in Category:Russian inhabited locality articles with obsolete place names. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much, it seems to work now. I'll try to remove the remaining "unknown parameters" from that article. Alexschneider250 (talk) 21:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

2021 census?

The 2021 census was three years ago, but the template only allows data from the 2010 census, which is very outdated. Why has no one bothered to update the template yet? 2003:6:21F9:988A:BD03:4391:81F1:256B (talk) 12:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I've wondered the same thing. The closest thing would be to use the pop_latest and pop_latest_date parameters, but those are for estimates, not for actual census figures. Wonder if someone will get around to it eventually. Procyon117 (talk) 18:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Ran into this problem today at Irkutsk. This template ought to be merged with Template:Infobox settlement. Ed  23:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
I would not object to that. Procyon117 (talk) 06:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
It has been already merged to Infobox:Settlement, against objections of people who actually worked with the template (including myself), and this is exactly the reason it is not functioning properly, and there is nobody around who can easily fix it. Ymblanter (talk) 06:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
It hasn't been merged, but converted to a wrapper. If it had been deleted and the basic template used, this wouldn't be an issue nor would anything need to be changed. Gonnym (talk) 10:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
^That. Ed  21:36, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Anyone is welcome to edit the sandbox to add 2020 census parameters. – Jonesey95 (talk) 11:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

pop_latest

Why I dont see pop_latest data in Magadan infobox, bit instead I see an outdated ref to 2018? --Altenmann >talk 19:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, weirdly I see in the footnote list " Оценка численности населения на 2024 г.", but I dont see where this footnote is attached. --Altenmann >talk 20:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

The template code prefers the 2018 Wikidata info over a manually entered parameter. Per this conversation and the above, this template needs a code update, tested in the sandbox. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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