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== advice for article creation == | ||
| hi i’d love to speak to you about creating an article please. it’s on a controversial conflict so this is why i’d like to get it right. thanks ] (]) 17:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :The userbox is {{]}} ] (]) 12:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for the info. ] (]) 21:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Proposed decision of ] posted == | |||
| == challenge to wikifan12345 == | |||
| Hi Nableezy, in the open ] arbitration case, a ] which relates to you. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the ]. For a guide to the proposed decision, see ]. For the Arbitration Committee, <b>]]</b> (] • he/they) 21:01, 11 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| Since he is sure he "" I ask him to do so. If you would like me to leave please sign your name below. Good luck wikifan ] (]) 20:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Me!!! -] (]) 21:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC) <small>I am kidding</small> | |||
| Is there a time limit on this? Obviously I wouldn't want to make such an important decision without thinking it through. --] (]) 09:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :you have already made your decision, these 2 are binding signatures. Making it a lil easier on WF. ] (]) 14:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::You are counting that as a signature just because I posted here? Does that mean that your signature counts also? --] (]) 21:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yes and no. If and when my signature is included that will be my last edit to this site. ] (]) 21:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Okay so the count is, me, FfQ, Untwirl and of course Wikifan him/herself. So it is getting up there. And don't forget that your boss also wants you off of WP. --] (]) 00:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| can we start a section on users who want nableezy's ](the australian version)? i'll sign that one! ](]) 16:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :you just signed this one, i wont take it personally though, my cone is full ] (]) 16:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::damn, i was high and fucked that up. can i refactor and start my new section, bob? (not wanting to miss out on that cone) ](]) 16:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Bless young and ignorant == | |||
| Nothing new under the sun, isn't it? There was something before Durban 1 and 2, it was called United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379. It condemned Zionism and equaled it to apartheid, racism and colonialism. Not sure you are familiar. But if you do - forget it. Regards. --] (]) 14:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :yes I was. FYI, Im done with that page for a while, just too aggravating. Stay well, ] (]) 15:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::I liked what you did today, especially removing that horrible Cryptonio sentence 'Since the team entered ...'. Aren't you afraid of Cryptonio's aggravations? I hope you don't, but if you do - I'll try to back you up. Your addition to the 'occupation' sentence hurts, but it is true, so no objection there. I placed 2 more pictures of Rayyan on a talk page, choose whatever you seem appropriate and insert it in the infobox (I'd like to keep the original in the article too, but something says me you might oppose this). Ah, those pictures need appropriate tag, your help would be appreciated. They are taken from PALD public forum, so there shouldn't be a problem. Regards. --] (]) 07:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Disruptive editing == | |||
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| Deleting content based on grammatical concerns is considered disruptive editing. I request that you self revert edit, and fix the content to be written in a manner that resolves your grammar concerns.<br>Warm regards, <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 15:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :That has nothing to do with 'grammatical concerns' it has to do with the meaning of words. I would suggest you look into a mirror before accusing others of being disruptive. ] (]) 15:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| Of course the BBC is a RS. So is the JP. However, the names have to mentioned in order to manifest the contradiction. Read the paragraph according to your edit. The whole point doesn't jive. Best, --'']] ]'' 18:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Ahh, I see. I just saw the 'according to the BBC.' fixed. Also, quick note here, your 'refuses to archive' problem was that the bot requires 2 signatures to archive, anything with just 1 will stay. ] (]) 18:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::what do you mean "two signatures"?--'']] ]'' 18:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::You mean it requires some sort of reply?--'']] ]'' 18:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Yup, if there is only one signature (with a timestamp) in a section it will skip over that. ] (]) 18:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::::So what am I supposed to when some troll crawls his way to my talkpage (i.e. ] with some comment that doesn't even merit removal?--'']] ]'' 18:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::either archive it manually or write "to archive" with your sig. or do what i do, just make fun of them for saying something dumb. but really, why dont you ... :) ] (]) 19:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Chaps, you might already have seen this, but it's always worth rereading ]. --] (]) 09:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Non Free Images == | |||
| Looks good to me. The others will need to be deleted, but that one is the least provocative, smallest, and probably bets quality of the bunch, so I'm glad you found the sourcing for it. Thanks! -- ] (]) 23:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: ] == | |||
| Re: : Yeah, probably the same editor or a tag team. BobSmith007 is now blocked. -- ] (]) 18:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Your comment== | |||
| It's pretty cool of you to apologize in such a heated situation. But as for my behavior, c'mon, the guy is a total bullshitter. You know I yell at bullshitters from the other side too. ] (]) 08:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == June 2009 == | |||
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| ] You currently appear to be engaged in an ]{{#if:Palestinian refugee|  according to the reverts you have made on ]}}. Note that the ] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the ]. If you continue, '''you may be ] from editing'''. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a ] among editors. If necessary, pursue ]. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> --] (]) 20:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Thats nice, thanks for the message. ] (]) 20:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::your message to User talk:Boatduty177177 could have been phrased in a more pleasant fashion. True, this is a new user who entered angrily and throwing punches. But surely the best way to deal with very angry, very new editors is to encourage them to learn the rules. Rather, that is, than attacking them.] (]) 22:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::I looked at the page again. You were not trying to help a new editor, were you? You were trying to drive him off the island. The pity is that it probably works. Misplaced Pages editors are so nasty to new editors whose politics they dislike that lots of them probably go find something else to do with their time. I don't blame them.] (]) 22:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::You really have no basis for that. if an editor doesnt come in 'throwing punches' I will try and help them as much as I can. If an editor comes in and does nothing but revert others for no apparent reason other then to oppose them, and follows them around just to continue to revert them I wont be so helpful. Especially if that editor doesnt shout out "new user in need of guidance" but rather "vindictive sock looking to piss people off." And there is no way you can take my messages to be 'attacking' them. What was the attack, the standard 3RR warning? Or "please do not continue making the same disputed edit, take your concerns to the talk page." Or was it "Also please dont WP:HOUND others." Maybe it was the final message, that came after continued following of my contributions just to oppose me: "You really have no reason to be going through my contributions to oppose me wherever you feel like it. It is pretty obvious what you are doing and I again ask you to cease WP:HOUNDing other editors. Thanks." Would you mind enlightening me on what attack is in any of those? Or do you just want to stand up and shout for no apparent reason other then to protect somebody that you see as a potential "ally"? ] (]) 23:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::And I get along with plenty editors whose politics I dislike, just not the ones who act like douchebags. ] (]) 23:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| *Please clean up yor language. | |||
| :The first message you left was accusing the guy of violating the 3RR. Perhaps you could have begun with welcome, or with something like, "You appear to be new here, and perhaps you are not aware that..." The 3RR rule its new editors like an ambush. Who know? Certainly a new user would not. | |||
| ::And what makes you think this is a sock? All that I see in the first day's edits is evidence of someone who got really, really angry at the way Israel is treated in this encyclopedia (you don't see it that way, clearly he does) and tried to fix what he say as unjustified language. He went about it the worng way, but he's new, help him learn. If he doesn't learn after warnings and polite advice, that is different. But I really think we chase a lot of good people away with aggressive editing.] (]) 23:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Almost all of his beginning edits were straight reverts with the edit summary blanked. Newbies dont know the history page and certainly wouldnt think of the edit summary. New users generally wont check people's contribs so they can revert at other articles. This user did. And his response to the warning was to copy it to my page and revert again. I would think a newbie would check the links in the message and see what the fuss is about, not immediately continue in the same behavior. And I don't think I was "aggressive" with me editing, I think this "new" user was. Perhaps a welcome template would have been more appropriate, and I did consider doing that first, but before I did that I see the user following me around just to revert whatever shows up near the top of my contribs. Needless to say I didnt feel all that welcoming after that. Also, at that point I was convinced this wasnt a "new" user so no welcome was necessary. ] (]) 00:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::You may be right, but I suspect that you underestimate how confounding Misplaced Pages can be to even new users who are facile at editing on other sites with intricate software (many group blogs, online publications, and institutional sites use software that is very good training for editing on Misplaced Pages) but even if you know how to readily find your way around a new site, you will be blindsided by the 3RR. And by the un-collegial atmosphere. I was. It hit me when I was new here. I wwas trying to put up a well-documented piece of information that got onto the page after a huge battle that raged for, if I recall correctly, three months. There was no dispute about fact or evidence, just a lot po people who did not find the facts politically acceptable. I was shocked. I am still shaken by the aggressiveness with which users will argue against documentable facts. I know that you disagree with Boatduty's politics, but surely you can understand that rage at something a person finds politically anathema can lead a person to edit. That person will arrive angry as hops. But, why not give them the benefit of the doubt and hope that they will stick around and lend a hand. It's not like the encyclopedia has sufficient editors to do the work.] (]) 02:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::::You think this has to do with his politics, it doesnt. It has to do with his inserting of his political leanings into encyclopedia articles, and then insisting that it remain, all the while following other people to piss them off in other articles. This is how this user behaves: his first was a revert of ], seven minutes later he followed Untwirl to to perform another revert. Next he arrives at the refugee article to . He then returns to reverting Untwirl at yet another , then comes back to me at yet another article I had just edited to me in an instance where he lies about what a source says, which suggests that he did not read the cited source and reverted just to annoy me. Then he carries on reverting , then his attention back to . He me to another article to make another revert. And then , in which he continuing to insert things that have been reverted by multiple users (me and ], wait am I supposed to like his politics?). And then he follows me, again, to where you presumably first encounter him, again just to me. And then he continues his opposition to me in the last article he followed me to. How can you come here and expect me to be ever so gentle with this user, his entire time here has been spent opposing me or another user he reverted. And then come here and say I acted the way I did because of politics. I suggest you actually look at my interactions with a number of users whose politics I supposedly do not like, you can start with another user who came in with a very clear and demonstrative POV on a controversial page, but because that user showed promise as an editor I welcomed and provided advice to them and encouraged them not to get frustrated so that they do stay around. His name is on this page, think of the most obvious name that would demonstrate a POV and you should be able to figure it out. This has nothing to do with my not liking his politics, this has to do with the behavior this user has demonstrated since the moment he registered this user name and began reverting others and following them around. ] (]) 03:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Certainly. No wikipedia editor would ever react on political grounds.] (]) 03:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Yes they do, and I am pretty sure that I didn't say that they, or I don't. It colors peoples perceptions and views on every topic. But you are saying I reacted against the editor because of political reasons, not that I objected to the edits on political reasons (an argument that is likewise fallacious but not completely foolish). But even if it were true that it was "political grounds" that cause me to revert the user (though I am not sure that is possible anyway, because again multiple users of widely diverging political leanings reverted this user) it is a leap to come to the conclusion that I attempted to scare off this user because of his politics. That would imply that I am both vindictive and petty. If you feel that way fine, though I wont flat out say that you are doing it because of your political feelings. But you made a lot of assumptions about me in defense of a user that has made zero positive contributions, zero original contributions, and can be demonstrated to have hounded multiple editors to multiple pages, even after being politely informed that such behavior is frowned upon. But again, I wont say you did so because of your political feelings, ] (]) 03:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| <s>And all this time spent defending a user now indef blocked . Who saw that coming? ] (]) 17:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)</s><br> | |||
| Not yet, but it will happen. ] (]) 22:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| {{hab}} | |||
| ==Welcome== | |||
| Thank you for the welcome :) ] (]) 12:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == talk page deletions == | |||
| Hello, I was under the impression that users cannot delete their talk pages and that it is separate from deleting the user page as ] specifically says not user talk pages. Am I incorrect? Thanks, ] (]) 21:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Hey Nableezy, | |||
| :You are indeed correct. Did I hit a talk page incorrectly? <font color="#0000FF">]</font> 21:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks for pointing it out. It's been restored. Best wishes, <font color="#0000FF">]</font> 21:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == my friend == | |||
| you realize what I have done for that Golan page? before I registered it said "Golan is currently part of Israel" I am the one that got them to change it, If it wasn't for me that whole disputed/occupied discussion wouldn't have started. And btw, I thank you for your comments on the Golan page, you are good at debating and I appreciate your input. --] (]) 21:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Palestinian refugee == | |||
| Just a comment: even a brief read through the talk page shows theres contention over the use of that term, I can see from your history and user page that you have a clear preference for what you would like the page to say; in any event I have no serious interest in the page but I foresee a future edit war over the neutrality of Nakba. Most pages I've read on Israel or Palestine (or issues related) are either good, horribly pov one way or the other, and the first time I read the refugee page I was thinking it was more the former than the later. ] (]) 04:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :If you looked at my history you should also see that I have no problem working with those who oppose what my apparent POV is and on articles I attempt to ensure that the articles comply with NPOV and RS (you apparently have no problem with my wording on ], also note that page was already in my watchlist as I had edited it previously, not following you around though I considered it might seem that way). The arguments at the Nakba template talk page currently that the name shouldnt be used (if and when that is decided, likely by the RfC on the topic, the template will be at that name or a different one and would be reflected in the article) and the other on the inclusion of a specific event (the Israeli War of Independence), and that too will be resolved by discussion on that page. But that template helps present information on a set of related topics, so whatever name it ends up being under it should be in that article. I did not revert it because it uses the word I prefer (I really have not made up my mind, if you look at the RfC the one comment I supported so far was more an overview and a partial endorsement, but open to the idea of another term. My current thinking is that this is an Arabic word, and I would like to examine more of the literature before determining whether or not that this Arabic word has been used in English by the majority of the scholars for it to be used as an English word in articles), but rather because the information that it provides in its content is relevant to the refugee page. I obviously have my own views on these subjects, and that obviously shades how I see things, but this was not about my POV. The "Palestinian exodus" or the "depopulation of Palestinians" or the "Nakba", whatever you want to call it, resulted in the people currently called Palestinian refugees. That template is relevant and links to articles that have a direct relation to the article in question, so I dont think there is any question that the template should be on that page. ] (]) 04:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::First, let me say thanks for fixing my talk page; I'm not sure what happened but assumed some template got fiddled with. I'm going to read more into the background for these pages and the RfC, as right now I feel that I have an uninformed opinion based just on my "feel" from reading through the article. As an aside, I didn't mean any offense by commenting on your obvious position on the issue, rather, I think it is laudable that people with strongly held opinions can work together with others who may not share them to try to present information in a neutral and fair manner. Best, ] (]) 18:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Hello == | |||
| I know you edit on similar topics and you've struck me as a pretty reasonable person - thought you might take a look at ]. Cheers. --] (]) 09:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Reasonable? Lets just see if we can convince you otherwise, ] (]) 14:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::rofl --] (]) 14:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Editing intlaw section == | |||
| hi. being busy more than usual, i can't find enough time. but trust me i will and we'll continue. taking a swift look at your talk page, you are not too bored meanwhile, aren't you? regarding some minor changes you'he done there, you are correct - palestinian section was constructed well, but it indeed clogged the contents. i've just separated one para. back, though, since we're talking about distinct violation. have you noticed we're trying to make the same for israeli part? my english is far from perfect; if you see/feel like some wording needs to be rewritten - you can point out the specific sentence and we will work it out. as long as the essence is preserved, you'll get my full cooperation. last but not least - if you think (or if you think that this is what hamas thinks) that hamas 'resists' israeli 'occupation' of the disputed territories in the west bank and jerusalem - man, you need an urgent update. ] article is a good place to start. don't be hurt if some of my remarks are sometimes sarcastic - it is one of those 10 virtues of an average editor, isn't it? --] (]) 11:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Check article out, specifically this line from Meshal: Hamas sees this fight as part of a bigger campaign leading to the capture of Jerusalem. “As we won the Gaza war, so we will win a war aimed at lifting the siege and opening the crossings, as a preliminary to the liberation of the country, the return , the liberation of Jerusalem, and extricating ourselves from the occupation,” said Hamas political bureau chief Khaled Mashal.<br>Hamas does in fact say that they fight to allow for the return of refugees and to end occupation of all Palestinian lands, including E. Jerusalem and the West Bank. Style related stuff, I am sure we can work it out, I'm just waiting for you to say it has what information you think is needed, then I plan on going through copyediting it. And dont worry about the sarcasm, I have a pretty thick skin, and, as you might have seen, sarcasm is a staple of my communication techniques. ] (]) 14:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::I haven't gone over it too much but know you did some much needed reworking a few weeks ago on the international law section. Originally, Falk was mentioned in the poor opening sentence. I came across this and thought (regardless of if you agree or not) that you might find it interesting.] (]) 02:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::I read this article. Not what I could have expected from you. The very first sentence: 'The Gaza victory has paved the way to Jerusalem, Haifa, Jaffa, the Negev, and the West Bank,” said senior Hamas official'. I think you are not that indocrinated to realize that when Hamas say Jerusalem - they mean the whole Jerusalem and not just the Eastern part, and when they say occupation - they mean the whole Palestine (or at least 22% left of it after the 1922 division) and not merely the parts that were illegally occupied by Jordan in 1948-1967.<br>I found Trumpet extremely interesting reading, especially this sentence from linked article: 'But the most important and inspiring lesson of the Gaza war is this: It means the climax of end-time events is very near—events that will culminate in Jerusalem with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ!'. This is a joke. --] (]) 12:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yeah I know, most of the time, though they do often talk about East Jerusalem and just the occupied territories, for example when talking about a long-term hudna. ] (]) 15:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Exactly. I have a record of some very interesting Hamas statements, saying that 'we agreed to accept Palestinian state within '67 borders, but we never said we accept two states'. Pure tactics. But why talking about Hamas all the time? Just a couple of month ago Fatah senior stated that they don't ask Hamas to express recognition of Israel simply because... Fatah and all the other resistance fractions never did, all except PLO. And what about the moderate Abu Mazen and his comrades? They advocate the two-state solution, yet refuse to recognize the Jewish nature of Israel, demanding the West Bank to be Judenrein. --] (]) 14:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::::There are some responses to be made to those (first to recognize the Jewish nature of Israel would include the West Bank as it is not in Israel, second it would also relegate the Arabs living in Israel to second-class citizenship both in name and in practice, whereas currently is it only in practice, and third while Mr. Netanyahu has accepted the words "Palestinian state" anybody who read or listened to what he called that would have to agree that he did not accept an actual state for the Palestinians.) But we really shouldnt be carrying on with this convo here; if you would like I could enable the email function and we can continue off-wiki. ] (]) 14:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 18:11, 12 January 2025
advice for article creation
hi i’d love to speak to you about creating an article please. it’s on a controversial conflict so this is why i’d like to get it right. thanks Eatlandlords (talk) 17:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Proposed decision of Palestine-Israel articles 5 posted
Hi Nableezy, in the open Palestine-Israel articles 5 arbitration case, a remedy or finding of fact has been proposed which relates to you. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the proposed decision, see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Party Guide/Proposed decision. For the Arbitration Committee, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:01, 11 January 2025 (UTC)