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In Oakland 1.4 Million
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-occupy-california/occupy-protesters-arrested-in-oakland-to-share-1-4-million-settlement-idUSKBN0KP0BK20150116
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There is no article about ], and I couldn't find a suitable place for it. But . ] (]) 10:05, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
:It seems to belong in ], if anyone can add it in a suitable way. ] (]) 10:35, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

== Print Media of Occupy ==

{{reply to|Arms &amp; Hearts|Randykitty|Serial Number 54129|prefix=Greetings&nbsp;}} I estimate print publications exist for approximately 20 different Occupations based on preliminary research and have embedded sections inside their respective occupations for ] and ]. I am going to add Oakland, DC and some more NY papers later today. Any others you can think of, or would be willing to contribute to? I am particularly interested in the legal challenges e.g trademark violations, that some of these papers did, such as The Boston Occupier, Occupied Chicago Tribune and the Occupied Oakland Tribune. ] (]) 11:54, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
:The sections in this article and ] look good. Just to clarify: are you still envisioning creating a new article discussing all of these publications? Or are you just thinking about expanding our coverage of these publications in existing articles? &ndash;&nbsp;] (]) 21:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

::Both, I will focus on expanding coverage of print media in any occupations first, because otherwise we won’t have an eagle view. We can start sandbox of what we think could go in a Occupy Media section. Occupy LA Times, Occupied Washington Post, Occupied Washington Times are my immediate next steps. ] (]) 23:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
:::It sounds like a worthwhile project. I think there's a lot of encyclopaedic content on the Occupy movement and media that we're missing – perhaps especially on its use of social media – and lots of scholarly work we could draw on. For example:
:::* {{cite journal|url=https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14742837.2012.710746|first=Sasha|last=Costanza-Chock|title=Mic Check! Media Cultures and the Occupy Movement|journal=Social Movement Studies|volume=11|issue=3–4|year=2012|pages=375–385|doi=10.1080/14742837.2012.710746}}
:::* {{cite book|url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2xTtBAAAQBAJ|first=Christian|last=Fuchs|title=OccupyMedia! The Occupy Movement and Social Media in Crisis Capitalism|publisher=Zero Books|year=2014}}
:::* {{cite book|url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CyFUCwAAQBAJ|first=Steve|last=Macek|chapter=Occupy the Media: Towards a Communication System for the 99 Percent|editor-first1=Luigi|editor-last1=Manca|editor-first2=Jean-Marie|editor-last2=Kauth|title=Interdisciplinary Essays on Environment and Culture – One Planet, One Humanity, and the Media|publisher=Lexington Books|year=2015|pages=83–100}}
:::* {{cite journal|url=https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369118X.2015.1043318|first=Anastasia|last=Kavada|title=Creating the Collective: Social Media, the Occupy Movement and Its Constitution as a Collective Actor|journal=Information, Communication and Society|volume=18|issue=8|year=2015|pages=872–886|doi=10.1080/1369118X.2015.1043318}}
:::* {{cite journal|url=https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369118X.2012.756051|first1=Kjerstin|last1=Thorson|first2=Kevin|last2=Driscoll|first3=Brian|last3=Ekdale|first4=Stephanie|last4=Edgerly|first5=Liana Gamber|last5=Thompson|first6=Andrew|last6=Schrock|first7=Lana|last7=Swartz|first8=Emily K.|last8=Vraga|first9=Chris|last9=Wells|title=Youtube, Twitter and the Occupy Movement: Connecting Content and Circulation Practices|journal=Information, Communication and Society|volume=16|issue=3|year=2016|pages=421–451|doi=10.1080/1369118X.2012.756051}}
:::None of which is necessarily to say that I personally have any time to work on this, but do keep me posted. &ndash;&nbsp;] (]) 16:17, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

== Lead Image Change ==

Should the lead image be changed? It's currently used on ], so in my mind doesn't exactly meet the "minimal usage" criteria for non-free use images. Also I think there are plenty of other images that can represent the movement, particularly actual images of protestors. ] (]) 15:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

== Removal of information ==

A lot of detail, about 25% of the article, was removed by ], as too excessive. I think the reasons for removal should be explained in more detail here. Some of that content might be better of being split or merged elsewhere, too. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 01:52, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


== vandalism ==
Agreed. I’d revert and remove/trim bit by bit, to make it easier to discuss/compare edits. I think they were good faith and generally improvements but tad too much trimming ] (]) 02:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


The first paragraph of the article seems to have been mildly vandalised with the inclusion of "The ruling Burgeo class who have oppressed tHE BIPOC latinx for one million years" ] (]) 12:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
:Sure, I can discuss my cuts. I was acting on the warning issued on the beginning of the article (too much detail) so I took that as impetus for my removals. Here's a rough breakdown of what I removed.


==socialist?==
:A lot of it was quotes (either kept but trimmed, or removed) from thinkers and writers in magazines and journals etc. but people who I didn't think were of note. For example a quote by "Arindajit Dube and Ethan Kaplan of the University of Massachusetts Amherst" was trimmed quite a bit (it had many many sentences in that quote, more than I think it needd) but I still kept parts of it. I didn't touch quotes from, say, Barack Obama or Mitt Romney. I do recll removing a quote from the Prez of Greenpeace but I was on the fence about that one (in the section about 'reactions to OWS'), I think a reasonable person could put it back and I wouldn't object. But the original article had a lot of quotes from onlookers and magazine authors that I didn't think were particularly notable on their own in the article - perhaps put them into the Reactions to OWS article? (i believe that article exists) And those quotes were often opinion pieces. For example: "] of ''The New York Times'' noted "while alarmists seem to think that the movement is a 'mob' trying to overthrow capitalism, one can make a case that, on the contrary, it highlights the need to restore basic capitalist principles like accountability"".
I reverted recent additions which characterized the movement as socialist when it was more anarchist in nature, and corporate influence over government, or money in politics, was indeed one of the core issues of the movement. Plus no sources were included to justify these additions. Just leaving this here because my edit summary was cut off as I accidentally hit submit while making edits on my phone. Sorry about that.--] (]) 20:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


:Yes! Thank you C.J.! I was one of the original organizers of OWS in NYC. I made a feature film on the experience, and I just wrote a book. You are correct that it was much more anarchist. OWS operated via democratic structures such as assemblies and councils, and used the consensus decision-making process. These are rooted in anarchist, and feminist organizing practices, and have precursors in the Anti-Nuke Movement and Global Justice Movement. There are a number of aspects of this entry that I'd like to change. I would love to talk with you and others at wikipedia to make this entry historically accurate. ] (]) 23:39, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:I deleted the entire section on Protestor Demographics and Funding because I'm not really sure how relevant that is to the article? Some discussion on this would be helpful for me and for the article. I'm ok with putting it back into the article but afterwards I would still question its encyclopedic relevance in a discussion form - sorry for deleting those prematurely. For the case of the Funding section, it had a lot of excesively detailed minutiae and if financial information is relevant to the article, I think it should be summarized much more briefly than it was previously.
::{{ping|MarisaHolmes2011}} Hello, and welcome.
::Please avoid adding your own work to the 'see also section'. If you feel that your work meets ] and is the best available citation to support a specific change, please propose such changes here on this talk page.
::Thanks. ] (]) 03:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
:::It is a reliable source, since I was directly involved, and have done extensive research. Also, the book is being published by a reputable press and underwent peer review. I propose that it is added. ] (]) 12:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
::::I propose adding books by David Graeber and Marina Sitrin as well. They were bot integral to OWS, and their work deserves recognition. ] (]) 12:13, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::The Graeber and Sitrin books are still there. I hope that by 'recognition' you mean recognition by readers wishing to better understand the topic.
:::::What specific information is this book being cited for? See also and further reading sections do not have quite the same standard as inline citations. Please see ].
:::::Thanks. ] (]) 19:06, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::Ok, I looked at your link here. I totally understand the conflict of interest section. You don't know me, so It makes sense you'd have reservations. I can assure you, though, that my motivation is not to promote or sell my book. I will likely lose money on it anyway, and hope its available for free. I just want everyone, and especially future generations of organizers and activists, to have access to more direct and primary sources. The book includes these. I held off on making revisions to this entry with specific citations. I'm happy to do this work If you like. Some of what I reference in the book has already been included in other books, such as Graeber's and Sitrin's. However, I do provide additional sources. I could also send over a copy of the book, and someone else here could decide what to do with it. Then, there would be less conflict of interest. ] (]) 19:43, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::I fully accept that you are acting in good faith. With that in mind, conflict of interest editing isn't limited to financial gain, and promotional editing doesn't have to be profitable to still be promotional. Adding your own book doesn't provide any context to readers about what the book is or why it would be useful, so it is promotional either way.
:::::::So once again, what specific information would this book support? It would be much better to use this book as a citation for specific information. ] (]) 22:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::The book could be used as a citation for the following already existing entry text:
::::::::"Many commentators have stated that the Occupy Wall Street movement has roots in the philosophy of anarchism."
::::::::-I definitely make this argument.
::::::::"It derives from a "We the 99%" flyer calling for OWS's second General Assembly in August 2011"
::::::::-There's a whole section of the book devoted to the early assemblies. I describe how the 99% was created...
::::::::"The assembly was the main OWS decision-making body and used a modified consensus process, where participants attempted to reach consensus and then dropped to a 9/10 vote if consensus was not reached."
::::::::-I describe this at length.
::::::::-This section could benefit from more historical and theoretical context for the practices. They were not unique to OWS.
::::::::"the protesters created the "human microphone" in which a speaker pauses while the nearby members of the audience repeat the phrase in unison"
::::::::-- The way this is currently written is incorrect, though. The human mic was the result of a improvisation by the facilitation team and not because of the police sound ordinance. This is an often repeated error. Actually, the film I made shows what happened ..https://vimeo.com/172339354. In the book I give more context for how the human mic comes from WTO in Seattle. You can actually see the human mic being used in Showdown in Seattle https://en.wikipedia.org/Showdown_in_Seattle.
::::::::You could add my book as a citation in the Occupy Media section
::::::::-However, what you currently have doesn't include anything from the OWS Media Working Group or Global Revolution Media, which were part of OWS from the beginning. The section is also very print and writing focused generally. There would need to be an additional section written for a citation to be appropriate.
::::::::Under Criticism...
::::::::You could cite my book for the sentence "instead represented a host of broad demands that did not specifically allude to a desired policy agenda"
::::::::-This is weirdly written though. More could be said about the reasoning for not having demands, and what our actual goals were. We wanted to build a new society, from the bottom up, through taking space, engaging in mutual aid, and practicing direct democracy.
::::::::There's more I could say, but I hope all this helps. If you need page numbers and reference lists I can definitely provide them. I can also help with revising the entry, as I mentioned. However, I want to respect the process you have here, and not just go in and make big changes without discussion. ] (]) 00:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Oops! This was me. I guess I was logged out. ] (]) 00:31, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::why are you not encouraged or permitted to make changes yourself, within Misplaced Pages guidelines?
:::::::::: You don't need to ask or beg others to do it for you!. My advice is for you just to do it (with citations).
::::::::::] (]) 02:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::@], See ]. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">]</span> 12:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::i don't think that theses rules and caveats would preclude writer from making or proposing changes--as you can see, the suggestions were not taken up] (]) 23:25, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


== antisemitism? ==
:There were some segments about protestor and police activity, describing behaviors like "some people marched here", "police were parked here", etc. which I don't think belong in the article because theyre too detailed and didnt have a significant effect in themselevs beyond just being parts of this protest. So I trimmed those down, I didn't remove all of it. I think I removed a few sentences about a city council member being shoved by police, I think that could reasonably be put back, I was on the fence about removing that as well for excessive detail. Some discussion would definitely be appreciated in re how much detail should be given to individual instances of violence, arrest, or police activity or mistreatment, I think a lot of the parts on this topic that I removed could reasonably be put back.


Under the Criticism section (an odd and inelegant way to frame some questions), there are three references to the supposed antisemitism of Occupy that do not seem to have held up very well over the years. There is visual evidence linked to in which we see a person come forward with frightful opinions, but there was no "official" line at Occupy about this, of course, it was never put forward as a principle, and there does not seem to have been wider support voiced by group members. (Further, being anti-Zionist is by no means the same as being anti-Semitic. Jews have been arguing about Zionism for over 100 years, and it is unlikely that the ultra Orthodox Jewish groups in the US would ever be called anti-Semitic, as that would be ridiculous.) The right-leaning writer Jennifer Rubin at the Washington Post is cited in what we might call a hand-wringing column, and a group is linked to with an ad attacking Obama's policies toward Israel. Misplaced Pages itself characterizes this group as follows: 'The Emergency Committee for Israel is a right-wing nonprofit political advocacy organization in the United States." The third link is to Fox News, whose politics are clearly on the right and happy to make any charges that suits its political agenda.
:I trimmed down the section about OWS media and publications, but I left most of the encyclopedic content there. It read a bit like promotion and advertisement but some sentence removals fixed that and put it back into a neutral objective tone.
It is essentially an overblown slur on OWS to feature this in the article. I write this on Rosh hashanah, the Jewish New year. (By the way, OWS held New Year's services, but I don't remember the date.)
] (]) 02:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)


== "Surveillance"? ==
:I removed the entire section on Anarchism because I figured it could be included on the page about Reactions to OWS, so once again please accept my apologies for prematurely deleting that instead of moving it to another page.


I can't only assume this is some one joking right? A general reference page in their reference directory giving a brief summary of what the organization is and what their goals are and why they might be a issue, sourced directly to the organizations own websites and public social media posts, is "surveiling them closely"? "We set up massive public protests and are actively trying to forment rebellion and create public disorder and disruption, and the government is ''paying attention to the situation''!? Ensuring their employees are informed of current events?! Literally fascism!
:Finally, some other reaction movements like Occupy George and Occupy Yale weren't big enough to merit mention, in my opinion.


Like this has to be someone trolling, it has to be.
:I hope this explains my thought process, hopefully you can agree that I removed a good amount of excessive detail while we can still discuss how much of what I deleted should be put back - in particular, quotes and analyses by magazine thought leaders, and coverage of individual legal cases / protestor action / police activity. I think a lot of the former can go into (if it isn't already in) the article about Reactions to OWS and that would be a more appropriate place to put it.
] (]) 17:08, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


] (]) 16:08, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
:: Hey guys, do you have any thoughts about how I/we can improve this article or about the content I removed? Would love to hear feedback and ideas. ] (]) 04:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

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The first paragraph of the article seems to have been mildly vandalised with the inclusion of "The ruling Burgeo class who have oppressed tHE BIPOC latinx for one million years" 178.51.177.207 (talk) 12:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

socialist?

I reverted recent additions which characterized the movement as socialist when it was more anarchist in nature, and corporate influence over government, or money in politics, was indeed one of the core issues of the movement. Plus no sources were included to justify these additions. Just leaving this here because my edit summary was cut off as I accidentally hit submit while making edits on my phone. Sorry about that.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 20:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes! Thank you C.J.! I was one of the original organizers of OWS in NYC. I made a feature film on the experience, and I just wrote a book. You are correct that it was much more anarchist. OWS operated via democratic structures such as assemblies and councils, and used the consensus decision-making process. These are rooted in anarchist, and feminist organizing practices, and have precursors in the Anti-Nuke Movement and Global Justice Movement. There are a number of aspects of this entry that I'd like to change. I would love to talk with you and others at wikipedia to make this entry historically accurate. MarisaHolmes2011 (talk) 23:39, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
@MarisaHolmes2011: Hello, and welcome.
Please avoid adding your own work to the 'see also section'. If you feel that your work meets reliable source guidelines and is the best available citation to support a specific change, please propose such changes here on this talk page.
Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 03:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
It is a reliable source, since I was directly involved, and have done extensive research. Also, the book is being published by a reputable press and underwent peer review. I propose that it is added. MarisaHolmes2011 (talk) 12:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
I propose adding books by David Graeber and Marina Sitrin as well. They were bot integral to OWS, and their work deserves recognition. MarisaHolmes2011 (talk) 12:13, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
The Graeber and Sitrin books are still there. I hope that by 'recognition' you mean recognition by readers wishing to better understand the topic.
What specific information is this book being cited for? See also and further reading sections do not have quite the same standard as inline citations. Please see Misplaced Pages:Further reading#Conflicts of interest.
Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 19:06, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Ok, I looked at your link here. I totally understand the conflict of interest section. You don't know me, so It makes sense you'd have reservations. I can assure you, though, that my motivation is not to promote or sell my book. I will likely lose money on it anyway, and hope its available for free. I just want everyone, and especially future generations of organizers and activists, to have access to more direct and primary sources. The book includes these. I held off on making revisions to this entry with specific citations. I'm happy to do this work If you like. Some of what I reference in the book has already been included in other books, such as Graeber's and Sitrin's. However, I do provide additional sources. I could also send over a copy of the book, and someone else here could decide what to do with it. Then, there would be less conflict of interest. MarisaHolmes2011 (talk) 19:43, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
I fully accept that you are acting in good faith. With that in mind, conflict of interest editing isn't limited to financial gain, and promotional editing doesn't have to be profitable to still be promotional. Adding your own book doesn't provide any context to readers about what the book is or why it would be useful, so it is promotional either way.
So once again, what specific information would this book support? It would be much better to use this book as a citation for specific information. Grayfell (talk) 22:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
The book could be used as a citation for the following already existing entry text:
"Many commentators have stated that the Occupy Wall Street movement has roots in the philosophy of anarchism."
-I definitely make this argument.
"It derives from a "We the 99%" flyer calling for OWS's second General Assembly in August 2011"
-There's a whole section of the book devoted to the early assemblies. I describe how the 99% was created...
"The assembly was the main OWS decision-making body and used a modified consensus process, where participants attempted to reach consensus and then dropped to a 9/10 vote if consensus was not reached."
-I describe this at length.
-This section could benefit from more historical and theoretical context for the practices. They were not unique to OWS.
"the protesters created the "human microphone" in which a speaker pauses while the nearby members of the audience repeat the phrase in unison"
-- The way this is currently written is incorrect, though. The human mic was the result of a improvisation by the facilitation team and not because of the police sound ordinance. This is an often repeated error. Actually, the film I made shows what happened ..https://vimeo.com/172339354. In the book I give more context for how the human mic comes from WTO in Seattle. You can actually see the human mic being used in Showdown in Seattle https://en.wikipedia.org/Showdown_in_Seattle.
You could add my book as a citation in the Occupy Media section
-However, what you currently have doesn't include anything from the OWS Media Working Group or Global Revolution Media, which were part of OWS from the beginning. The section is also very print and writing focused generally. There would need to be an additional section written for a citation to be appropriate.
Under Criticism...
You could cite my book for the sentence "instead represented a host of broad demands that did not specifically allude to a desired policy agenda"
-This is weirdly written though. More could be said about the reasoning for not having demands, and what our actual goals were. We wanted to build a new society, from the bottom up, through taking space, engaging in mutual aid, and practicing direct democracy.
There's more I could say, but I hope all this helps. If you need page numbers and reference lists I can definitely provide them. I can also help with revising the entry, as I mentioned. However, I want to respect the process you have here, and not just go in and make big changes without discussion. 24.185.42.144 (talk) 00:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Oops! This was me. I guess I was logged out. MarisaHolmes2011 (talk) 00:31, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
why are you not encouraged or permitted to make changes yourself, within Misplaced Pages guidelines?
You don't need to ask or beg others to do it for you!. My advice is for you just to do it (with citations).
Actio (talk) 02:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
@Actio, See Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest#COI editing. czar 12:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
i don't think that theses rules and caveats would preclude writer from making or proposing changes--as you can see, the suggestions were not taken upActio (talk) 23:25, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

antisemitism?

Under the Criticism section (an odd and inelegant way to frame some questions), there are three references to the supposed antisemitism of Occupy that do not seem to have held up very well over the years. There is visual evidence linked to in which we see a person come forward with frightful opinions, but there was no "official" line at Occupy about this, of course, it was never put forward as a principle, and there does not seem to have been wider support voiced by group members. (Further, being anti-Zionist is by no means the same as being anti-Semitic. Jews have been arguing about Zionism for over 100 years, and it is unlikely that the ultra Orthodox Jewish groups in the US would ever be called anti-Semitic, as that would be ridiculous.) The right-leaning writer Jennifer Rubin at the Washington Post is cited in what we might call a hand-wringing column, and a group is linked to with an ad attacking Obama's policies toward Israel. Misplaced Pages itself characterizes this group as follows: 'The Emergency Committee for Israel is a right-wing nonprofit political advocacy organization in the United States." The third link is to Fox News, whose politics are clearly on the right and happy to make any charges that suits its political agenda. It is essentially an overblown slur on OWS to feature this in the article. I write this on Rosh hashanah, the Jewish New year. (By the way, OWS held New Year's services, but I don't remember the date.) Actio (talk) 02:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

"Surveillance"?

I can't only assume this is some one joking right? A general reference page in their reference directory giving a brief summary of what the organization is and what their goals are and why they might be a issue, sourced directly to the organizations own websites and public social media posts, is "surveiling them closely"? "We set up massive public protests and are actively trying to forment rebellion and create public disorder and disruption, and the government is paying attention to the situation!? Ensuring their employees are informed of current events?! Literally fascism!

Like this has to be someone trolling, it has to be.

Idumea47b (talk) 16:08, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

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