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Deleting your userpage

Hi, I see you request your userpage to be deleted. Fine, I will do it. But I have to say, don't leave. You are needed here. Images is one big mess and Misplaced Pages badly needs help sorting it out. Ghirla has the "untouchable" aura about him. Don't you dare to critisize him, don't you dare to touch him with the little finger, otherwise you will be accused of all sins that there are. I been through that myself. I know what it feels. And it's a shame that you became one of his victims. Don't let that happen, please. You are better, and you are right. Stand up and fight! Renata 04:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to back up Renata3 comments. You have been doing a good job sorting out the Images on wikipedia. Have a wikibreak and have some time out Brian | (Talk) 05:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope you come back soon, as well. —Chowbok ☠ 05:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I have mixed feelings here...I appreciate the fact that you took the time to be helpful, as I have commented elsewhere, regarding maximizing and perfecting the FUR's you recently listed by the dozen in my images. I also appreciate the fact that you were willing to discuss matters in a reasonable manner in that area, and in the images you contacted me on, were also willing to admit that you were mistaken regarding possible copyright violations, and self-reverted, although I wish you would have made that perfectly clear at my user talk page as well. At the same time, I did not appreciate being targeted to have to defend dozens of images in such a short timeframe while others you know who share your views on "free or nothing" attacked dozens of my other images in a coordinated effort. I radically disagree with both the premise and methods under use on the entire subject, and with those employing them, and hope they are stopped, somehow, and soon. I also hope you return. Best wishes. Tvccs 07:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern. I am taking a little time off for things to settle down a bit.--Oden 14:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Grafikm_fr's personal vendetta

Renata, this is at best a disgusting personal attack. As for Oden, his behaviour was criticized by several other users (including your servant), so making it sound like Ghirla's crusade is at best inadequate. As for Ghirla himself, well, at least he's creating content, not taking fun in destroying it in the name of grand yet hollow principles like "free content" and "yeah sure, you can take a free pic of this star, just ask her". -- Grafikm 16:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

• Amended: user has stated below that this post was not posted on this talk page. --Oden 19:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Amended: the user has stated below that this post was not aimed at this editor. --Oden 20:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

My This talk page is not a forum for your personal vendettas, do not use Misplaced Pages for your own personal agenda, instead try to find a way to assume good faith and to contribute in a positive way.

As concerns your attitude regarding Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines, such a statement gives cause for concern, and compels a need to review your contributions in greater detail in order to ensure that any material you have contributed (like Image:Teresa wong.jpg) is not in violation of policy. --Oden 18:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

• Amended as per below. --Oden 19:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

It is not a personal vendetta, for instance there are at least two RFCs underway for your peers who exhibit a similar behaviour of stalking other people's contributions. Oh, and I'm sorry, after people like Chowbok and Abu badali, I can't assume good faith from people destroying content.

And by the way, my post was a reply to Renata, so it's not only your talk page, which you don't own. --~ Grafikm

Are not all of us "peers" to some extent or another? Is it not our peers, yours and mine, who are subject to any RfC? When we throw egg on each other, do we not all end up with egg on our faces?

Well, my goal is not to be a pain for various editors by censoring their contribs. Unless a copyvio is in order, or if there an obvious FU abuse (15 screenshots of a game in an article for instance), there is no point to censor FU content, other than to be a pain for other editors. -- Grafikm 19:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I also find it ironic that you should use the term "destroying content" and reference WP:OWN in the same comment. How can anyone else destroy something that is not yours in the first place? The mind boggles. --Oden 19:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Text and photos are not the same thing. You can write whatever you want, all you need is a computer (well, and references too, but referencing is free, provided you do not copy-paste content). You can draw almost any graph or map, that's true too. However, you can't, realistically speaking, take any pic you would like to. That's where FU comes in. -- Grafikm 19:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Any privilege can be abused, so too can the privilege of uploading fair use images on Misplaced Pages be abused. Policy, like content, can also be subject to changes. User:Chowbok/Robth's RFU Explanation provides something of an explanation regarding the current state of fair use images on Misplaced Pages.

Regarding stalking, Meatball Wiki describes it as "repeated, out-of-process attempts to become involved in a victim's life". Content and contributions are, within reasonable limits, relevant. This is also why we have Misplaced Pages:Editor review, a voluntary form of examination. However, the truth is that any contributor can be subject to review at any time, just look at any RfA or RfC. --Oden 20:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I have reflected upon how several contributors which I have encountered place such a great emphasis on finding good images, and omit or lessen the importance of writing good articles.

My contention is that it is possible to write a excellent article completely without images, while the opposite is naturally impossible. Therefore there is no doubt that the most important goal for every editor must be a well-written article, and that the use of images is a secondary matter. The cavalier attitude which some editors display regarding the criteria for use of fair use images on Misplaced Pages diminishes, in my opinion, the hard work of other editors who write great articles and who then attempt to find images under a free license before resorting to a fair use image under the fair use criteria.

Misplaced Pages:Article development places the inclusion of any images among the stage of "finishing touches" to an article (here). All to often I have encountered articles (almost stubs) which lack basic features like infoboxes, lead-ins and sections, proper references and other flaws, yet the editor in question insists on a fair use image which serves no other purpose than to illustrate the subject (such as in Nataliya Dmytruk).

In one instance (Daria Werbowy) the fair use image took up more than a third of the article space. For the editor in question (User:Irpen) to spend so much time arguing about image quality to illustrate such a imperfect article suggests a gross misunderstanding of the purpose of Misplaced Pages (Image talk:Werbowy.jpg). Another editor (User:PageantUpdater) had uploaded almost 200 fair use images (view the first version of one article: Tami Farrell). Compare that with the current version: Tami Farrell.

Other language versions of Misplaced Pages do not allow fair use images, and I have begun to wonder if that is the best solution. --Oden 22:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC) (Please note that I am not commenting in general upon the contributions of the editors mentioned or on their persons, but only on their comments and actions regarding the fair use criteria and use of fair use images on Misplaced Pages).

Oops!

My mistake, I thought the tempalte said replace it with fair use disputed, not add it. Please don't assume I did this under bad faith, as this was not the case. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Noted. --Oden 14:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Boilerplate

You created User Oden/Boilerplate. Can I assume you really meant to create User:Oden/Boilerplate? Right now it's in the main namespace. eaolson 15:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I made a mistake (twice: User Oden/Boilerplate and User Oden:Boilerplate). Subpages are a little tricky to create (it's my first). --Oden 15:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Movie posters high resolution

I am all for making sure that all images on Misplaced Pages are free to use but I would prefer it if I was notified. The amount of film posters that are being tagged will make for a lot of messy pages when the images are deleted, especially if nobody has been notified of the chance of deletion (Quentin X 13:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC))

I have not tagged high-resolution images for deletion because I have disputed the assertion that they meet the fair use critieria. The tag in question, {{fair use disputed}}, does not require that the uploader be notified since the image has not been tagged for deletion. When an image is nominated for deletion the uploader will be notified (there is more information at WP:IFD).

It is important that fair use images on Misplaced Pages do not negatively affect the market role for the product in question, and I am concerned that the high-resolution images of film posters and album covers which you have uploaded could be used to print and sell pirated (bootlegged) CDs and DVDs. The consequence could be that Misplaced Pages becomes involved in a legal dispute with the original copyright holder.

If you upload web-resolution versions of the images in question under a new name you can tag the old images with {{or-fu-re|Image:NewName.ext}}. You could also upload web-resolution versions under the same name. --Oden 14:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Sarah Shahi image

I noticed your editors note when I went to add the image to her celebrity box, and I had wanted to ask you for an explanation. The image is a TV still from her work on the show "Teachers" and as such seems to qualify for fair use on wikipedia. However, I am not a copyright lawyer, just wanted to see what your rationale is before I add the image. You can answer here or on my talk page, whichever you prefer. -Markeer 22:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair use image in user namespace

Hello!

Thank you for removing the picture Christopher Walken.jpg from my usepage. I guess I didn't pay as much attention as I should have on the criterion 9 of the Misplaced Pages:Fair use criteria. I'll have it in mind from now on! Good thing I haven't uploaded any images so far... :) --DimTsi 23:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I tried finding a replacement with a free license, but there was none to be found. If you have any questions on using images on Misplaced Pages don't hesitate to ask! --Oden 23:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Threats

Regarding this: It is not your responsibility to police Misplaced Pages, and threatening other users with action is not acceptable. If you have a problem with another user, deal with it through the proper channels. --InShaneee 07:05, 12 December 2006 (UTC)