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Rebel groups

Introduction section was edited to make article misleading. Introoduction part should describe the nature of the conflict and oposing forces. The information about opositioon was deleted on 1st November and introduction only describes Government forces. The follwing section should be reincluded into intrduction:

The armed opposition consists of various groups that were either formed during the course of the conflict or joined from abroad. In the north-west of the country, the main opposition faction is the al-Qaeda-affiliated al-Nusra Front allied with numerous other smaller Islamist groups, some of which operate under the umbrella of the Free Syrian Army (FSA). The designation of the FSA by the West as a moderate opposition faction allows it, under the CIA-run programmes, to receive sophisticated weaponry and other military support from the U.S. and some Gulf countries that effectively increases the total fighting capacity of the Islamist rebels. In the east, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), a jihadist militant group originating from Iraq, made rapid military gains in both Syria and Iraq. ISIL eventually came into conflict with other rebels, especially with Al-Nusra, leaders of which did not want to pledge allegiance to ISIL. By July 2014, ISIL controlled a third of Syria's territory and most of its oil and gas production, thus establishing itself as the principal anti-government force. As of 2015, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are openly backing the Army of Conquest, an umbrella rebel group that reportedly includes an al-Qaeda linked al-Nusra Front and another Salafi coalition known as Ahrar ash-Sham, and Faylaq Al-Sham, a coalition of Muslim Brotherhood-linked rebel groups. Also, in the north-east, local Kurdish militias such as the YPG have taken up arms and have fought with both rebel Islamist factions and government loyalists.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.70.4.126 (talk) 21:04, 6 November 2015‎ (UTC)

References

1. "FSA brigade 'joins al-Qaeda group' in Syria - Al Jazeera English". aljazeera.com. Retrieved 21 October 2015.
2. Cite error: The named reference larger was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
3. Cite error: The named reference covert was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
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5. Nabih Bulos (22 September 2015). "US-trained Division 30 rebels 'betray US and hand weapons over to al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria'". The Telegraph. London.
6. "Syria rebels and TOW missiles - Business Insider – Saudi Arabia just replenished Syrian rebels with one of the most effective weapons against the Assad regime". businessinsider.com. Retrieved 21 October 2015.
7. Patrick Cockburn. Isis consolidates
8. Kim Sengupta (12 May 2015). "Turkey and Saudi Arabia alarm the West by backing Islamist extremists the Americans had bombed in Syria". The Independent. London.
9. "Gulf allies and ‘Army of Conquest’". Al-Ahram Weekly. 28 May 2015.
10. "'Army of Conquest' rebel alliance pressures Syria regime". Yahoo News. 28 April 2015.
11. Cite error: The named reference fr-kurdes-chassent-des-jihadistes was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
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well oiled lie

While several times oil fields are mentioned there is no info where the oil go. Us saying they knew about it for years but did not bombed pipelines on wells (the oil truck convoys) because this will release carbon dioxide to atmosphere. The free also media mention US didn’t bomb the terrorist convoy because it they bombs may mutilate someone. US is on record saying they bombed it on 15 but saying this after Ru bombed it on 18 Nov. By this lie is confirmed by Us and RU sides fact that oil tankers roll the deash stolen oil somewhere. This info is missing. So it is lie by omission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.90.196.227 (talk) 10:03, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMermbclRXs look around 2:22 . What do you see? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.90.196.227 (talk) 04:01, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't need to watch it to tell you that's not an RS, nor is this a forum for general discussion.12.11.127.253 (talk) 17:32, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Is This A Joke? Turkey is part of the coalition "against ISIS", not "supporting PKK and PYD"

Well, first I should put forth the fact that Turkey is fighting with PKK for 30 years(Al Jazeera, BBC World). Second, I should also put forth the fact that Turkey doesn't want PYD on its borders(Reuters, BBC News) and in order to co-operate, Turkey agreed with USA on that PYD won't be able to have ground west of Euphrates(WSJ, HurriyetDaily). Turkey stroke YPG three times for attempting to cross the river (BBC, BBC2, UPI, WSJ) and also hit YPG with tanks on borderline once because they helped PKK with weapon supplies (Guardian).

So it is really like an absolute joke to put Turkey side-to-side with PKK and PYD, which are listed as the "black-list of terrorist organizations" by Turkey, alongside DAESH(Al Jazeera Turk). Berkaysnklf (talk), 13 December 2015, 12:15 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read the talk page before making new sections. FunkMonk (talk) 12:24, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

that contradiction would sound like joke only IF we asume "terrorist" is bad in Turkey. Acordig to WP:policy we schold not use own brains but only folow what respect able sources feed. There is a lot of treazons in Iranian or Russian press eg SARIN TREASON. But we can not add it here it is not US media feed. Not truth but verifability. Anyway this is not a joke becouse was not say as joke by major comedian. You doing original research -thats why the facts do not agree for you 70.209.78.211 (talk) 19:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Just who has been promoting ISIS / IS / Obamaese "ISIL" making coalition, collaborating -- how, how much, to what extent, is a big question I really wish I knew the answer to. Is it possible that the Obama Administration has created and promoted the "Islamic State"? Has the administration promoted ISIL because it set the goal of kicking out Assad above the means? Have the authorities been putting out a lot of disinformation??? (EnochBethany (talk) 17:13, 30 December 2015 (UTC))

Russia

Aren't they on the government's side and not part of the coalition. Tony Abigail (talk) 22:28, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

The infobox says they are helping the Kurds, which should be carefully sourced before such a change as that is not why anyone thinks Russia is in Syria. Legacypac (talk) 00:01, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

The Russian position is unclear and/or evolving. Initially it looked as though they were happy to let the coalition fight ISIS, while they attacked the other Syrian rebels (many of which are supported by the coalition). However, having a passenger plane bombed out of the sky by ISIS, after it left Cairo airport, and having a military jet shot down by Turkey (while crossing into Turkey to attack a Turkish ally) may have started to convince them that this approach is not in their best interest. StuRat (talk) 08:22, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Edit Request

Under the leaders section it has Stephan Harper. This should be updated to Justin Trudeau. Can't edit because the page is locked — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.251.145.18 (talk) 07:42, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

 Not done - Stephen Harper took part in the war effort; Justin Trudeau in fact withdrew from involvement.GreyShark (dibra) 17:19, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Category:German involvement in the Syrian Civil War

Category:German involvement in the Syrian Civil War, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. GreyShark (dibra) 17:17, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Article needs split/downsizing

I'm looking at the article right now, and I see a good 20 subsections for just the "Course of Events" section. Given the number of involved parties, as well as vastly differing objectives of various actors, I would suggest the partitioning of this article into several smaller ones documenting individual phases of the conflict (similarly to the group of articles on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, which contains separate articles for the initial unrest (Euromaidan), pro-Russian protest, seizure of Crimea, and armed intervention, while designating yet another batch of articles to international reactions and responses). As it stands right now, this article is somewhat taxing to read, which contravenes Misplaced Pages's basic goals of information accessibility. The infobox itself should demonstrate the necessity of partitioning this article, due to there being an inordinate amount of involved parties listed as belligerents. At the very least, the important people should be kept, but I believe that listing (as an example) the emir, deputy, military chief, spokesperson, and eastern emir of the Nusra Front is a little excessive for an article on the Syrian Civil War as a whole. Having an inbobox listing belligerents and an entire 10-part section on the belligerents in an article intended to cover the overarching Syrian Civil War also seems a little excessive; perhaps a separate article entitled "international involvement in the Syrian Civil War" or similar phrasing should be created for this particular type of information. In addition, I do not feel that the section on "advanced weaponry and tactics" belongs in this particular article; it may merit its own, separate article documenting "weapons used in the Syrian Civil War" or something along those lines. I would appreciate any thoughts/comments/suggestions on any of the above. Helmut von Moltke (talk) 19:53, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

The Advanced weaponry and tactics section should definitely be removed. It seems like most of it is about violations of international law or human rights issues rather than actual analysis of the overall military strength and equipment of each side. The belligerents section definitely be trimmed or removed. Most war articles don't even have such a section.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 03:21, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Inter-rebel conflict

I suggest creating an article for the failed January 2014 rebel assault on Raqqa, as some sort of "second battle" over the control of that city. LlegóelBigotee (talk) 03:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Splitting the article

From looking over the article, it appears that the tag regarding excessive length is highly appropriate. Given the multifaceted nature of this conflict, I would propose that the general moniker "Syrian Civil War" cannot adequately be used to describe the entire conflict currently happening. For this reason, I propose the following changes:

1. Splitting the subject of the article along the line of the "course of events" section (perhaps separate articles on a. the initial pro-democracy movement and subsequent repression, b. the escalation of conflict and increasing confrontation between government forces and militants, c. degeneration into a full-blown war, d. rise of IS in Syria, e. counteroffensive against IS by international coalition)

2. The infobox needs to be drastically reduced in size. For the sake of readability and accessibility of information, we should not have a "Commanders and Leaders" section that has 10 entries for the Syrian army, 7 for the FSA, 5 for the Nusra Front, and 8 for ISIL. We should also consider which groups have made a significant enough impact on the course of the conflict to be mentioned in an introductory infobox which is placed at the header of an article.

3. We should try to balance the sections which have additional links to dedicated articles. At the moment, a lot of those sections are rendering their links superfluous by serving as mini-articles in and of themselves. As an example, the section on "Foreign Involvement", while containing two distinct links to dedicated articles, nevertheless has 730 words altogether, which seems a little excessive.

Any additions to the above would be appreciated; I will proceed to implement these edits over the coming few weeks. Please leave a message on my talk page if you would like to help. Helmut von Moltke (talk) 03:52, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Most of the sections already have links to more detailed main article elsewhere on WP. I would therefore think that a lot of trimming is possible. I consult this article regularly and it's a superb example of what we can achieve on here but it is unmanageably long. Tigerboy1966  07:42, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Should Jordan be included in the infobox?

We have already agreed on the talk page that only countries currently providing lethal support should be included in the infobox. This is why countries providing non-lethal support to various sides (China, Netherlands, Germany) are not included. The current source states that rebels were trained by U.S. forces on Jordanian territory. In my opinion, this is insufficient to warrant inclusion in the infobox. A source was then also added stating that Jordanian participation in CJTF-OIR was evidence of lethal support to the Syrian opposition. Jordan's participation in CJTF-OIR is already noted elsewhere in the infobox, so I do not believe this alone warrants inclusion as a lethal supporter of the Syrian opposition. Although it is very clear that Jordan does support the Syrian opposition, the government's official policy on the conflict is neutrality. This is unlike the position of the other nations stated in this infobox to be providing lethal support to the Syrian opposition. In addition, Jordan has also cooperated with Russia during the Russian military intervention in Syria, and did not sign the statement condemning Russia for its actions in Syria. Whilst Jordan has closely cooperated with the Syrian opposition and permitted the training of the opposition on their soil, there is very little to suggest they are a substantial provider of lethal support to the Syrian opposition in the same way as the other countries listed. Jordan's position on the crisis seems to be more similar to that of Egypt, the UAE and Israel than to Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey. --109.157.228.211 (talk) 20:57, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

• No - Jordan is part of the anti-ISIL coalition, but it is not providing an active support to the rebels. Humanitarian efforts is certainly not a support, while US training of rebels on Jordanian soil is a bit tricky issue, but to my opinion not enough. Maybe if the scale is big enough (of training), we should reconsider).GreyShark (dibra) 11:43, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Jordan should show in the right column, not the second from the left. Legacypac (talk) 11:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

References

1. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/07/jordan-syria-islamic-state-iraq-war-rebels-neutral.html
2. http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2013/08/15/Jordan-gets-daring-on-Syria.html
3. http://www.jordantimes.com/news/local/govt-reiterates-neutral-position%E2%80%99-over-syrian-crisis?
4. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/jordan-russia-cooperate-syria-military-action-151024074311276.html

Uyghur

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please change ((Uyghur)) to ((Uyghurs|Uyghur))

Done Cannolis (talk) 22:21, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Syria 2015/6 - Gabbard Bill (HR 4108) to end USA support to groups aiming to 'destabilize' Syria and to overthrow its internationally recognized government

HR4108, the Gabbard Bill, should also be included in the relevant Wiki articles about Syrian Civil War, and in the list of U.S. Congressional opposition to war. https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:U.S._Congressional_opposition_to_war

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4108 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr4108 http://gabbard.house.gov/index.php/press-releases/520-reps-tulsi-gabbard-austin-scott-introduce-legislation-to-end-illegal-u-s-war-to-overthrow-syrian-government-of-assad http://syrianamericanforum.org/index.php/saf-in-action/117-call-to-support-h-r-4108

"Notwithstanding any other provision of law, funds available to the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Defense, or any other agency or entity of the United States involved in intelligence activities, or to the National Security Council or its staff may not be obligated or expended to provide assistance, including training, equipment, supplies, stipends, construction of training and associated facilities, and sustainment, to any element of the Syrian opposition or to any other Syrian group or individual seeking to overthrow the government of the Syrian Arab Republic, unless, after the date of the enactment of this Act, funds are specifically authorized to be appropriated and appropriated by law for such purpose."

HR4108 has two components:

(a) to stop all support by the USA government to groups aiming to 'destabilize' Syria and to overthrow its internationally recognized government. (b) If, however, the USA government wants to overthrow the internationally recognized government of Syria, a law (= https://en.wikipedia.org/War_Powers_Clause) for such purpose must be enacted by Congress.

The USA government has been involved in the 'destabilizing' of Syria since "early 2012" http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/world/middleeast/arms-airlift-to-syrian-rebels-expands-with-cia-aid.html , which was formulated as a policy goal back in 2001: 1:47 min in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSL3JqorkdU "This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” ... So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”" http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirk ec (talk • contribs) 04:09, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

GlobalResearch is not a reliable source. Jewnited (talk) 11:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

But is it not well known that a major US policy in the Middle-East to destabilize and overthrow the (internationally recognized)government of Syria? To this end, are not the US Government funding, supporting and building the 'good' terror groups? And what about the statement: "we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran” - was not that from a reliable source?

Syrian Civil War Map

I am just curious who makes these maps? I have seen some maps and all of them show the regime to control the West and South parts of Syria but in this map, ISIS has went deep on two places to regime-held areas. Can we confirm these attacks please? Jewnited (talk) 11:43, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Editors build them using news reports and very specific rules. They track who controls/besieges each village. A claim by group X to have taken a place is not enough, they require an outside source to confirm or a side to say they lost the place. I believe that these maps are among the most accurate in the world as a result. The pockets of control are places where groups pledged to ISIL that control places. Legacypac (talk) 11:50, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Template:Syrian Civil War infobox

The talk page for the template redirects here.

The template has nearly 100 references and growing daily, meaning every article that uses the template is immediately a very large ref'd article. More so the template is attempting to justify causality figures using refs alone with no prose explanation - this is a problem since causality figures are always contested and need explanation showing multiple POVs, who said it and when. Overall it's not a good setup.

Suggest creating a new article called Syrian Civil War casualties and reducing to a single ref in the template linking to the relevant section of that article where there is unlimited space to explain and add as many refs as needed. Create charts and graphs showing changes over time etc.. -- GreenC 15:23, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

This gargantuan monstrosity is probably largest conflict infobox in wikipedia by a huge margin. But cutting it down while fighting continues would have only temporary effect, as many people will quickly start adding more and more details again.--Staberinde (talk) 17:12, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

SCW is more complex, in terms of players, then even WWII. It is what it is. The size of the infobox is the smallest problem in the SCW, look at the people dying, destroyed property and economy etc. Legacypac (talk) 18:34, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

@Staberinde: - I agree it's too big for what it is trying to do. The problem is solvable by moving all the causality refs into the article Syrian Civil War casualties and then linking to that article from the infobox (as a Note). That would be a start to reducing the size of the infobox, and more accurately accounting for casualties. -- GreenC 15:40, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Support - agree with Green C on this idea as well. The figures are often disputed, which requires a number of references to keep it checked so to speak. A separate article would allow a great depth of analysis of the figures presented and disputed between different parties. In my opinion a separate casualty article is needed for any ongoing conflict. The main article can have somewhat a rounded figure, i.e. xxxxx+ killed and so on. Hammer5000 (talk) 16:25, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Commander titles should be also removed, and less important commanders cut until there are no more than 10 in any column. Infobox should be about quick summary, not about detailed explanation. Some further collapsing of combatants may be also worth considering.--Staberinde (talk) 16:47, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Maybe a separate infobox/table with notable commanders/leaders etc. Hammer5000 (talk) 16:59, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Is the title correct, "Civil War"?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The explanation is out there that this is not primarily a Civil War but a struggle taking place in & around Syria based on foreign interests, with foreign mercenaries fighting, and geopolitical goals of other nations primary -- chiefly outsiders meddling in Syria. What would be an objective, substitute title? I am not sure what is the procedure for changing the title of an article. How about "The Early 21st Century War in Syria"? (EnochBethany (talk) 17:08, 30 December 2015 (UTC))

Misplaced Pages generally uses most common name of conflict as a title. Also most civil wars in recent history had lots of foreign meddling.--Staberinde (talk) 17:15, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Do you know what percent of the fighters on the ground are Syrians? What about the percent of fighters in the air??? What percent of the weapons are Syrian? Is this essentially a civil war between Syrians? Is this chiefly a war by outsiders? (EnochBethany (talk) 04:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC))

The lead of our article today defines the topic of the article as: “… an ongoing multisided armed conflict with international interventions taking place in Syria” while referring to this October2015 Reuters article which defines the situation in Syria as "Syria war", saying: ‘Iran troops to join Syria war (…)’. While the conflict at some stage quite likely was best typified as 'civil war', presently the label 'war' is perhaps better fitting. I imagine – though I haven't been throroughly doing research on it, yet – that quite many, perhaps most, commentators and news articles nowadays refer to it as 'the war in Syria', realising (as EnochBethany argues) that many, perhaps most, of the fighters (and 'interests') in this war are by now no longer Syrian. 'Syrian 21st century war' could then be a concise and correct title for our article. --Corriebertus (talk) 15:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Headline writers will compress war names. Clearly there is a war in Syria. We use the most common precise title - and your suggestion is neither. Legacypac (talk) 15:45, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

• Could we have this topic as part of the topical archives, so we don't have to waste our time? It comes up every other week. Or is the list of move requests of the same function? FunkMonk (talk) 16:14, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't "argues" the issue, one way or the other; but I am interested in it. And I wonder if there is any proof that the most common name for this war is the "Syrian Civil War" instead of just the "War in Syria," or the "Syrian War," a shorter name BTW. And which is a more important principle, "common name" or "question-begging name"? IMHO This issue is something that should not be swept under the rug. I don't claim to know how much of a civil war vs how much of a battle ground for outside nations this war is. But I am sure that the topic is very relevant to the article and important, AEB your observation that it continually comes up. As more information comes to light, I would like to read it -- at least on the talk page. Peace -- to use an ironic closing. (EnochBethany (talk) 01:24, 3 January 2016 (UTC))

@FunkMonk: The move requests should be an indication but if you want to be more clear we could make a new page called Talk:Syrian Civil War/FAQ that links above. Note: This was done with Chelsea Manning (Talk:Chelsea Manning/FAQ) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:52, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

War is Syria is a topic that covers thousands of years of recorded history. As far as we know this is the first Civil WR in Syria. WWII was called the 'War in Europe' by contemporary newspapers because a newspaper does not need to distinguish - they are printing New(s) info even though there have been wars through recorded history in Europe. Legacypac (talk) 02:11, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I notice that EnochB considers this an "important" and "very relevant" issue/topic ( titling the article as 'war' or 'civil war'): I agree to that. Legacypac on 2+3 January did not address the issue raised here. If anyone does not have an opinion on an issue raised somewhere, he/she is kindly requested not to comment in such a section, lest he would be interested in disturbing/hindering a (serious) discussion of others. The same goes for FunkMonk, and Knowledgekid. Once again: please, have the politeness not to disturb legitimate discussions of others on some Talk page. Enoch: please don't use too much abbreviations ("BTW"?). --Corriebertus (talk) 10:13, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

My comment was clear and Corriebertus's comments about me are out of line. I'll AGF and assume Corriebertus just can't understand English very well. This topic gets addressed every week, see archives, and stop wasting time discussing stuff that has been discussed to death.Legacypac (talk) 14:31, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Question

Why not include the war map the rest of Daesh territories in neighboring countries? 2804:14C:5BB6:44C:0:0:0:1 (talk) 11:11, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Because this is an article about the war in Syria. Gazkthul (talk) 21:24, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

But if the war in Syria is not limited to Syria, what then? (EnochBethany (talk) 01:29, 3 January 2016 (UTC))

Daesh inserted itself into an existing civil war in Syria. Daesh was fighting an insurgency in Iraq already. It has since joined the civil war in Libya and insurgents in other areas have joined Deash. Oh and of course they are undertaking terrorist acts in other places. Legacypac (talk) 02:06, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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