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	], I know that I about a domestic violence article yesterday, but this one -- Intimate partner violence -- may also need some extra eyes on it regarding ] aspects. In fact, all domestic violence articles likely do. This article has been sparingly edited (currently has a very short edit history), but the ] edit seen , which ( in the lead soon after), has made me think that it could be a men's rights movement problematic issue. Given what you stated at the aforementioned article talk page, I don't think it's necessary that you respond to this matter; I simply wanted to alert you to it. ] (]) 16:16, 24 August 2014 (UTC)		], I know that I about a domestic violence article yesterday, but this one -- Intimate partner violence -- may also need some extra eyes on it regarding ] aspects. In fact, all domestic violence articles likely do. This article has been sparingly edited (currently has a very short edit history), but the ] edit seen , which ( in the lead soon after), has made me think that it could be a men's rights movement problematic issue. Given what you stated at the aforementioned article talk page, I don't think it's necessary that you respond to this matter; I simply wanted to alert you to it. ] (]) 16:16, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

			== "Gender symmetry" ==

			Just like at the ] article, the Intimate partner violence article gets the occasional editor giving ] to the topic of "gender symmetry" -- the theory that women commit domestic violence as much as men do. This view of domestic violence is not the prevailing view; for example, when it comes to intimate partner violence, the prevailing view is that the overwhelming majority of victims are teenage girls and women, and that intimate partner violence affects teenage girls and women more severely than it affects teenage boys and men. And like the ] article points out, the notion of "gender symmetry" is controversial. So after ] made huge WP:Undue weight edit to the article about "gender symmetry," I challenged the text, , "Moved this content down, and cut it significantly while pointing to the article you copied and pasted this from -- ]. Do see ]. Removed ]." Prefixcaz didn't restore the content, but he back up, to a spot that I feel perhaps gives WP:Undue weight to this theory; so I , but did not revert. He then that unbalances the content by noting all the supposed proof that "gender symmetry" exists. I , "Revert text that unbalances the content, introduces some non-]-compliant sources and has ]. Fine, I will go ahead and bring ] into this matter."

			Basically, while I do feel that this article has a place for the topic of "gender symmetry" ( of the article already challenges the "women are the majority of victims" aspect; it did before Prefixcaz's gender "gender symmetry" additions), I don't feel that it should be given as much WP:Weight as Prefixcaz originally gave it. I additionally feel that the section should perhaps be lower, even if not the last section of the article. I'll go ahead and alert WP:Med of this discussion. ] (]) 03:15, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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Citations of Michael P Johnson

Johnson's methodology for his claim, paraphrased as

"Michael P. Johnson reported in 2001 that 97% of the perpetrators of intimate terrorism were men."

is suspect. This is the original source of his data, we're looking at pages 1009-1010. His sample base is exclusively women, who not surprisingly do not self-report themselves to be perpetrators of intimate terrorism in significant numbers. We should use different sources, or remove this data content referring to the hypothesis that most perpetrators are men. It's frankly astounding that this paper passed peer review. 98.206.167.5 (talk) 20:12, 29 June 2014‎ (UTC)

Talk:Men's rights movement/Article probation

Bbb23, I know that I just bothered you about a domestic violence article yesterday, but this one -- Intimate partner violence -- may also need some extra eyes on it regarding men's rights movement aspects. In fact, all domestic violence articles likely do. This article has been sparingly edited (currently has a very short edit history), but the WP:Undue weight edit seen here, which I reverted (taking care of citation matters in the lead soon after), has made me think that it could be a men's rights movement problematic issue. Given what you stated at the aforementioned article talk page, I don't think it's necessary that you respond to this matter; I simply wanted to alert you to it. Flyer22 (talk) 16:16, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

"Gender symmetry"

Just like at the Domestic violence article, the Intimate partner violence article gets the occasional editor giving WP:Undue weight to the topic of "gender symmetry" -- the theory that women commit domestic violence as much as men do. This view of domestic violence is not the prevailing view; for example, when it comes to intimate partner violence, the prevailing view is that the overwhelming majority of victims are teenage girls and women, and that intimate partner violence affects teenage girls and women more severely than it affects teenage boys and men. And like the Domestic violence against men article points out, the notion of "gender symmetry" is controversial. So after Prefixcaz made this huge WP:Undue weight edit to the article about "gender symmetry," I challenged the text, stating, "Moved this content down, and cut it significantly while pointing to the article you copied and pasted this from -- Domestic violence against men. Do see WP:Summary style. Removed WP:Citation overkill." Prefixcaz didn't restore the content, but he moved the section back up, to a spot that I feel perhaps gives WP:Undue weight to this theory; so I noted my objection, but did not revert. He then added text that unbalances the content by noting all the supposed proof that "gender symmetry" exists. I followed that up with, "Revert text that unbalances the content, introduces some non-WP:MEDRS-compliant sources and has WP:Citation overkill. Fine, I will go ahead and bring WP:Med into this matter."

Basically, while I do feel that this article has a place for the topic of "gender symmetry" (this part of the article already challenges the "women are the majority of victims" aspect; it did before Prefixcaz's gender "gender symmetry" additions), I don't feel that it should be given as much WP:Weight as Prefixcaz originally gave it. I additionally feel that the section should perhaps be lower, even if not the last section of the article. I'll go ahead and alert WP:Med of this discussion. Flyer22 (talk) 03:15, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Alerted. Flyer22 (talk) 03:22, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

This is Prefixcaz's latest edit on the matter. Flyer22 (talk) 03:27, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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