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Challenge/Ramsdens Cup.

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Why are you changing the Ramsdens Cup to Challenge Cup. That is the name of the competition at the moment and all last seasons and this seasons articles link to that, equally the previous year linked to ALBA Cup. I don't want to blindly revert all your edits but is against the consensus at the moment so you need to discuss something like this.Edinburgh Wanderer 23:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

A guy said it was in over thirty articles using this name so he pointed out the scale of the problem. Its not right to use a sponsored name for one trophy and not the other trophies the Scottish Cup is not called the William Hill Cup which its current sponsored name. Also the Football league trophy which is England's equivalent is not called the Johnstone's Paint trophy. Lets get some consistency going here.Sport and politics (talk) 23:08, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

England is irrelevant. Its a name of the trophy, William Hill Scottish Cup or Scottish Communities League Cup. However the Challenge Cup is the Ramsdens Cup or ALBA Cup no mention of the word challenge which defines it as different to the William Hill Scottish Cup. Its far more than 30 articles, at least 60 or more and its wikilinked to the challenge cup so there is nothing wrong with the way its done at the moment. And if you look at england season articles they do state Johnstone's Paint trophy but are wikilinked to the main cup. Stop and discuss it because I'm going to have to be bold and revert until you have discussed on the main page.Edinburgh Wanderer 23:21, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Also a search for Challenge Cup will mainly come up with stats or wiki articles. Alba or Ramsdens cup is the notable and common name for this competition. Where as the common name for the William Hill Scottish Cup is still the Scottish Cup.Edinburgh Wanderer 23:27, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

You appear to be missing the principle, Ramsden's is not the name on the cup, the competition has had many different sponsors. If it was actually called the Ramsdne's cup and the main article was called the Ramsden's cup, it should be called so, its not though its called the Scottish Challenge cup,. Your argument lacks logical merit. Sport and politics (talk) 23:31, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Could you also please make all your comments in one go to stop edit conflicts.Sport and politics (talk) 23:31, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

No I'm not missing the point. You changed boldly I've reverted and you discuss. And no I'm not missing the point there is a big difference between the Scottish Cup and the Ramsdens Cup, there is absolutely nothing wrong in the linking the article and piping the sponsors name or in this case the WP:Commonname. And just so you know there is no requirement to edit in one go and you can edit using as many small edits as you wish, and as there was a clear reason for me doing so there isn't a problem there.Edinburgh Wanderer 23:46, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

The principle is exactly the same also in some articles it refers to the competition differently in some article it refers to the competition as the Scottish Challenge Cup, in some it refers to the competition as Ramsden's Cup and in some it hybrids the name to the Ramsden's Challenge Cup. This goes to show there is no uniformity. The English Football League Trophy is relevant as it is never referred to in the media as the Football League Trophy but Misplaced Pages refers to the competition as the Football League trophy. You are also missing that there is confusion by using a sponsors name when it has not been the exclusive sponsor. This competition has had many sponsors so to only use a sponsors name give an impression that there are many many different competitions by virtue of the different names, to avoid this there needs to only be one mane in use. Could you also have some courtesy by not making hundreds of little edits when conversing.Sport and politics (talk) 23:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Hundreds of little edits, i don't think so. You cannot make that volume of edits without discussing, especially when i politely started a discussion with you and then despite that you ignore and carry on regardless. Search Ramsdens Cup, and then search Challenge cup and see what you think is the common name of this competition. You keep referring to other sponsors, the William Hill Scottish Cup isn't a common name the Scottish Cup is where as the Ramsdens Cup is the common name over Challenge Cup. As long as we link to the main article there isn't an issue here, piping is commonly used for similar reasons throughout wikipedia not just football. Ramsden's Challenge Cup and Ramsden's Cup both use the common name. Edinburgh Wanderer 00:03, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

You are claiming the "common name" is Ramsden's Cup can you prove this? The Common name in England for the equivelant competition is Johnstone's Paint Trophy yet Misplaced Pages ignore that and uses Football league trophy. Also if you have to link over the main article called something different, this demonstrates it is not the common name. If it was the common name the main article for the competition would be "Ramsdens Cup" also is the "Common name" Ramsden's Cup or Ramsden's Challenge cup. I have seen both used in article frequently. Also when I tried to respond to you I encountered continual edit conflict as you kept adding and changing what you had put.Sport and politics (talk) 00:10, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

No i changed it once and you have decided to cause drama. I suggest you read Misplaced Pages:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle which i already provided for you above and WP:Commonname. You need consensus for this change and its pretty damm easy to show common name in this case a search comparison shows the shear number of hits for Ramsdens over Challenge Cup, it is very rarely used as a term which is why when searching Challenge cup it shows mostly stat pages. I repeat one last time there is nothing wrong using piping in this case. Look at how many articles edited by how many people in order to make changed on the scale you are doing you need to discuss to gain a consensus either way. Edinburgh Wanderer 00:18, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Is it only you who is pushing this sponsored name? Are you in any way employed, or a shareholder or someone who stands to benefit by plastering this free advertising all over wikipedia against the common sense and the other precedents such as the Football League trophy.you arguments though are still lacking in logical substance.Sport and politics (talk) 00:33, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

No its not just me. These articles have been edited by many users, you are the only one who has changed this. Your suggestion i am employed by the Ramsdens Cup is wholly laughable, my argument on common name and clearly showing you there is a difference does not lack substance. Ive been very patient with you as you are a new editor and shown you the related policies but lets get this straight wikipedia is about consensus and when that volume of articles contains the same linking and has been edited by multiple editors and someone asks you to stop and discuss. You stop and discuss you don't keep going, You were reverted and you go through to discuss as per policy you don't then try and push your own personal opinion by reverting again especially whilst not using edit summaries. Ive been patient but you are edit warring and not discussing instead accusing someone who has been around for a long time and clearly by looking at my user page and edit history will show you very clearly i do not work for the Ramsdens Cup and since you cannot back that claim up in any way you should retract it.Edinburgh Wanderer 00:41, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

• S&P - drop it now. I know you're new here but accusing other editors of having a conflict if interest (not true btw, I know where EW works and it's not for Ramsens) is not appropriate, neither is opening a frivolous ANI thread about editors you are in conflict with, and neither is repeating any of the above. Please leave it as you are both becoming increasingly disruptive. GiantSnowman 21:50, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Please note I have already apologised for that. The ANI was not frivolous it was based on someone swearing and refering in a derogatory tone. It was not frivolous just that it fell outside of an actionable remit. Sport and politics (talk) 21:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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Independent Olympic Athletes

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The three additional athletes

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If you check the sources, you will see that the number of IOPs adds up to seven, not four. However, if you have a source that says different, that would be great. The London 2012 site and olympic.org are both looking very unreliable as of late. Evanh2008 07:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm reverting to seven until I see a source that says four added to the article. Evanh2008 00:14, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

If you change the number to seven could you add in the 3 addition athletes to the linked article. Sport and politics (talk) 00:31, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

There was a source added to the article that the Kuwaitis were competing under their own flag. That is good enough. Smartyllama (talk) 00:36, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it's not that simple. We now have sources cited in the article that contradict each other. It is verifiable that there will be seven IOAs competing, even though three of those will probably be added to the Kuwaiti roster soon. I cannot verify that there will be only four IOAs competing, as no source that I have seen actually states that. The source which says the Kuwaitis will be competing under their own flag (which I added to the article, so please don't think I'm opposed to having that information in there) also gives the total number of Kuwaiti athletes as eleven, which still leaves one person missing even if we add the three Kuwaiti nationals listed as IOAs to the seven members of the Kuwaiti team listed by London 2012. I've added footnotes to the article now to clarify, and yes, I will go add info to the IOA article. Give me a few minutes. Evanh2008 00:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

It is verifiable by a source that admits it is outdated. We have a new source which CLEARLY indicates Kuwaitis will be competing under their own flag. There is a disclaimer on the source you are citing saying it may not be up to date. In this case, it isn't. It has not been fully updated since Kuwait was allowed to compete under their own flag. The new source I just added CLEARLY indicates Kuwait will be competing under their own flag. That's more reliable than a source that ADMITS it may not be current. Smartyllama (talk) 00:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

The IOC source is outdated. It says so itself. The 11th athlete probably qualified later. We could figure out who it is if we really wanted to by looking at the qualifying lists for all the sports, but that seems like a waste. That's probably the reason, especially since the IOC source admits it's outdated. Smartyllama (talk) 00:48, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

I've added footnotes that clarify the situation. You are correct to point out that London 2012 is very likely out of date, but we have no way to establish that. The fact is that a source stating that the Kuwaitis will be sending their own team is not the same as them stating that the three Kuwaitis listed as IOA's will be competing for that team. Unless, of course, the source specifically names those three Kuwaitis as part of the team. Unless they explicitly state that, however, we are entering WP:SYNTH territory. And that's bad. Evanh2008 00:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. But it's also bad to put out information that is "most likely" false, even if we can't verify it is. Perhaps just not report a total for now? Smartyllama (talk) 01:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Could you please move this to your own talk pages as I appear to no longer be involved in the conversation. Sport and politics (talk) 07:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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IOP/IOA Merge

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Could you clarify your position on the IOP/IOA merge discussion? Would you, in addition to the Competing Under the Olympic Flag article, keep the original articles, such as Individual Olympic Athletes at the 2000 Summer Olympics? If so, I think we can snowball it, keep the articles, and create the new one too. If not, please state your reasons for getting rid of the original articles in addition to creating the new ones, so we can discuss. Consensus seems to be nearly unanimous for the new article, the only question is what to do with the original ones. Your stance and Wesley Mouse's stance are unclear, everyone else in the discussion says keep them. Could you please clarify? Thanks. Smartyllama (talk) 23:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I think the ship has sailed to merge the articles, the main article on "Competing under the Olympic Flag" will need to link out the result dump articles with brief introductory paragraphs on each. Sport and politics (talk) 23:27, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. Do you mind formally stating so on the talk page so we can close it out? Thanks. Smartyllama (talk) 23:27, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics

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Regarding this edit, spokespeople (particularly public sector ones) are not named in the UK, so it would not be possible to identify them. As such, I've removed the tag. Cheers, Number 57 09:52, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

The claim you have made above is sweeping nonsense showing that there is no reading round of sources and poor verification practices on your behalf. A simple web search on the news story very speedily found the name of the spokesman. Please do not make absurdly sweeping incorrect claims. Please be more careful when removing legitimate templates that are there because necessary information is missing. Sport and politics (talk) 10:19, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'd just never seen one named before (and I'm not sure why their name matters anyway), but well done for finding it. Not sure your attitude is required though. Number 57 10:27, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

It must be the hot weather and the time of the month sorry for being a little ratty. Sport and politics (talk) 10:28, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Tit-for-tat, i imagineLihaas (talk) 20:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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Not againt you, per se. But just thought id mention Misplaced Pages:Usernames_for_administrator_attention#User-reportedLihaas (talk) 20:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

My user name is based on my areas of interest and I am not really sure what your post is on about. Sport and politics (talk) 01:45, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

It suggests you could have some kind of agenda. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:26, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Its just a name how does it suggest "an agenda". People need to be less suspicious. Sport and politics (talk) 12:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not saying you have, but it could be misinterpreted. Sport is often used as a political tool (check out our Politics and sports article if you haven't already done so). I'm concerned though when I'm accused of being politically biassed wby someone with a username Sport and politics (as was the case here). Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

You have though wholly missed the point of the article by making the suggested addition that you did. Sport and politics (talk) 12:43, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Regardless of whether that is the case, your reply was uncivil and did not assume good faith. If I find any similar comments elsewhere I'll be re-mentioning you at Misplaced Pages:Usernames_for_administrator_attention. Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:04, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand your obsessive nature against my user-name. Sport and politics (talk) 14:12, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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Removal of comment

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That removal of your comment from the talk page was by accident. My apologies. I placed it back just before you put it back. Cla68 (talk) 23:30, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

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Query

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Have you edited under other account names? Nobody Ent 22:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

No I have not, this is my first account. Why what makes you think that this is another account. I have been editing though without an account before. I have also been doing a fair amount of reading of the ways of the principles of Misplaced Pages based on the welcome post which was put up. Sport and politics (talk) 22:53, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I too was thinking you seem to know a lot for a new user. But thats no a negative ;)(Lihaas (talk) 01:31, 31 July 2012 (UTC)).

I asked because it's unusual for new users to be active on WP:WQA and WP:ANI but I wasn't assuming either you were new or you weren't. Just asked to help frame appropriate responses, addressing experienced editors like new editors is condescending, addressing new users with excessive wiki-speak is kind of rude. Nobody Ent 01:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I understand that there seems to be a lot of WP:bite going on from the discussion and user cla68 there is also zero WP:AGF

• If nobody has pointed to it yet - see: WP:CON. If you've already read that one .. feel free to delete this post. Chedzilla (talk) 02:28, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I have also read WP:CYCLE. The user I was in dispute with has apparently read neither of those. Sport and politics (talk) 10:55, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Just be aware of the hierarchy of guidance -- BRD (cycle) is an essay whereas consensus is policy -- but WP:NOTBUREAU is a pillar ... Misplaced Pages is not really all that coherent; takes awhile to figure out how things work around here. Nobody Ent 02:19, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I understand that now, I have now had pointed out to me that a selective and biased interpretation which did not accurately convey and give the intent of the revert rule was used. As it was being stated that any removal of any content (except form a narrow list) more three times in 24 hours, even if it was added by different editors and was different information being removed each time, was revert warring. I have now had show to me to this was a highly selective and obstructive interpretation of revert warring. where in fact it it has been shown as being "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions..." There was no evidence of that occurring whatsoever. Sport and politics (talk) 09:01, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

• (also: WP:INDENT) Chedzilla (talk) 02:58, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

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At this point it would be best for you to disengage from FF on ANI. The more back and forth between you two reviewers see the more likely a topic ban or double block is. Let the thread play out without you (enjoy real life for a while, perhaps). Nobody Ent 16:26, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I had no intention of engaging any further. FF is no longer worth my time of day in my opinion. Sport and politics (talk) 17:00, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

That's how I felt about him at the Controversies page. I think the block on him is far too short, and that the attacks on you were completely unjustified. ANI is a very sick place. Keep up the good work. HiLo48 (talk) 22:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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S&P, you probably didn't notice, but I said I didn't want any more comments in the that topic on my Talk page. So, I'm going to remove (again) your latest comment. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Fair do. I did apologise in my comment though. I also had no intention of making any further comments. Sport and politics (talk) 20:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

No worries, let's just leave it as is.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I am sure the user will fall foul in the same way as the other user did as they are behaving in a very very similar way which is very characteristic of the previous waffle to attempt to include everything and stifle opposition to including everything by going personal. The same high levels of over-opinionatedness are also present.Sport and politics (talk) 20:30, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Misplaced Pages this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

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I have requested full and long term page protection of this article to force all users to discuss. I trust you have warned the other user(s) involved as well. Sport and politics (talk) 17:58, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I have warned the other user, too and have commented at WP: RFPP. Full page protection would not be the best option here because the only edit warring is between you and Showmebeef (talk · contribs). I suggest that you two discuss it on the article's talk page and if that doesn't work, bring it to WP: DRN. Edit warring won't get you anything but a block. Electric Catfish 18:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Please not this is the second edit war and the page was previously protected for a 12 hour period. The previous edit war also involved Showmebeef. Sport and politics (talk) 18:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I see that you too have tried to discuss it on the article's talk page. I recommend that you bring it to WP: DRN (I'm a volunteer there) or WP: 3O. Best, Electric Catfish 18:05, 27 August 2012 (UTC).

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Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics

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I've reverted your edit concerning tape delays. If you wish to justify the deletion, I would like to point out that the article is littered with controversies that seem to be country specific, not reported "worldwide," or well known. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 07:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

You have missed the common practice of tape delays being the done thing where airing something "live" would either be at a highly inconvenient time such as the middle of the night or when a broadcasting station would not be on the air. If you wish to include this information please start a discussion not a revert war. This is minor information regarding operational decisions by two media Companies and is not related to the Olympics themselves, as the Olympics still took place as was regardless of the "tape delays". There has been enough of that on this page already. If you can see other things which are country specific please be bold and remove them or start a discussion on the issues. Sport and politics (talk) 08:04, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Please do me a favor and reply on my talk page directly from now on. None of this template stuff. I disagree with your assessment given this tape delay was more egregious in nature. People complained about it, and it was noted in other places. How this doesn't warrant inclusion is mind boggling. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 08:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

This discussion about whether tape delays should be in the article belongs at Talk:Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics. Nobody Ent 10:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I have to disagree with your assessment over the tape delay. What I should've added was that out of the hundreds of broadcasters that provided live feeds of the Olympics to it's viewership, the three broadcasters in question chose to tape delay major aspects and events despite the complaints of it's viewership over not providing content readily (given the quick dissemination of media nowadays). That is controversial. My edit as it stood was to just give a general summary without bogging down the article itself with the numerous examples of each broadcaster (NBC alone fills an entire page!) which can be left to other articles as you partially suggested. As for countries that didn't even bother to air the Olympics for whatever reason......can you provide creditable sources on that claim? I would love to see them. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 11:13, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Please move your discussions of this topic from my talk page to the article talk page. Sport and politics (talk) 11:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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I have made a final effort to get the versions you have accepted reconsidered. The largest change is that I removed the quotes from the athletes re:home advantage. I think it suffices to say that it is an alternative explanation without using the quotes. I think you can agree to this, and hopefully they will to. I would hate for this to start all over again. Please indicate that this change is not large enough for you to oppose, so we at least have one active proposal as a last chance to avoid mediation. 88.88.167.157 (talk) 11:59, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Anticipating a problem regarding removal of source 8. We should perhaps be prepared to defer it to WP:RSN if they object based exclusively on that. 88.88.167.157 (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

The source is a blog, but covered by a WP:NEWSBLOG. I have accepted the source as the source for the claim of violating the spirit of the rule, as long as the claim is attributed to the writer. I hope both you and they can accept this. 88.88.167.157 (talk) 18:46, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Unrelated: Please accept my apology for using male pronouns to refer to you. I have conciously tried to avoid using pronouns whenever possible, but I have defaulted to the male ones (on the balance of probability as most editors are male) in hurried comments or when I have been unable to rephrase the comment satisfactorily. 88.88.167.157 (talk) 13:53, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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		The Dispute Resolution Noticeboard Olive Branch
		For all your hard work on the Olympic cycling dispute. Amadscientist (talk) 10:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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ANI of Andromedean

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I had no desire to to this. However, I think Andromedean's repeated accusations require community attention. 88.88.166.230 (talk) 11:50, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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Further discussion on Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics

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Just wanted to let you now that I will not take part in further discussions on this issue. If you are unable to agree with the other two editors on wording when the discussion restarts at the article talk page, which seems likely, I suggest Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard. I suggest this because, as I understand it, your view is that their additions and removals would make the article less neutral than it is now, and both you and they are unlikely to change each others minds on this by discussing with each other. It may be best to let experts in NPOV view the current version and whatever version they argue for and decide whether your concerns are valid (I think they are). If they decide the concerns of balance are not valid, just let them add it. Enjoy your time on Misplaced Pages, good bye.88.88.166.230 (talk) 19:45, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Just to remind you the volunteers recommendation was to kick back the discussion of wording to the talkpage, prior to considering mediation. You have not only refused to discuss it but have been complicit in hiding this text so even people on other boards will probably miss it. This is unacceptable and is most definitely not in compliance with Misplaced Pages policies.

Your response was “I would also like to point out the disruption you engaged in by placing unwarranted warnings and un-collapsing the closed discussion on the talk page of the article. It was unwarrented and shows a lack of understanding of Wikiepdia.” Sport and politics (talk) 14:13, 8 November 2012 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andromedean (talk • contribs)

I am not refusing to discuss. I am simply ignoring you Andromedean and your continued disruption. I will engage with constructive users and will wholly ignore un-constructive users such as yourself and all the disruption they are attempting to cause. Please also be aware that silence on an issue does not imply consensus. It has been made abundantly clear there is outright opposition to your attempts to disrupt Misplaced Pages and continue pushing your version on this article. I have said all am going to here and am now closing this discussion. Sport and politics (talk) 13:12, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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Andromedean's addition to Skyring's obsession - Thanks

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For obvious reasons I've been watching Skyring and his political ally Surturz compile their dossier on my evil nature. The reason for Surturz adding his voice is obvious. I am sometimes brutal in blocking the attempts of both of them to manipulate Australian political articles towards their Labor/union hating perspective. It surprised me that anyone else could be bothered watching. Although that project is keeping them occupied, and while they're doing that they're doing less damage to the real articles in Misplaced Pages. Anyway, thanks for adding context to Andromedean's story.

I'm awaiting the next stage of this process with interest, anticipation and amusement. HiLo48 (talk) 23:04, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

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Bisexuality and Pansexuality

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Hi, Sport and politics. I reverted your edits. Your edit to the bisexuality article contradicted how bisexuality is defined by most sources. It made it so that bisexuality means the exact same thing as pansexuality, in the sense that "more than one gender" can mean more than two and can also be taken to mean "all." If you'd checked the bisexuality talk page, you'd have seen that using "toward males and females" is justified as the big-time sources (such as the American Psychological Association) do indeed state that bisexuality is about romantic and/or sexual attraction to two sexes/two genders. It also sometimes means romantic and/or sexual attraction to all sexes/all genders, but the big-time sources do not define it like that and this is noted already in the lead by noting pansexuality (a subdivision of bisexuality). An editor on the bisexuality talk page additionally noted that bisexuality can refer to non-human animals and that this is another reason for not making the first line about people, which is what adding "gender" does in a way because gender is a social concept more than it is a biological matter. Adding only "gender" and not "sex or gender" also completely ignores biological sex, considering that the two terms may or may not mean the same thing in a given context. If you'd analyzed the recent edit history of the pansexuality article, you'd have also seen that use of "regardless" was reverted before, and that two editors agreed with the revert. See User talk:Dev0nfish. 199.229.232.42 (talk) 15:23, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I added an invisible note about what's been discussed on the bisexuality talk page about the definition topic, and another source that I am sure is authoritative on the topic (the American Psychiatric Association). I additionally made note of this on the talk page. 199.229.232.42 (talk) 17:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

"More than one gender," meaning more than two, is also covered by the Polysexuality article. 199.229.232.42 (talk) 20:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

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RfC on HiLo

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Hi there, I hope you don't mind but I have hatted the discussion you've been involved with on this page. The section there is for discussing Hasteur's closure proposal and it seemed to me that the discussion was making any sort of closure less, rather than more, likely. I completely understand that your views there are strongly held but I don't think you're going to get a resolution that is any more satisfactory by keeping the discussion going. Better to let Hasteur close and see where we go next. I hope that's OK with you; if not then of course you can revert my hatting but I'd need some persuading that any good would come of it. I'm posting the same message on the talk page of all editors who have been involved in the hatted discussion. Kim Dent-Brown 14:15, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I am pleased you have as it'll shut down the irrelevance being added. Sport and politics (talk) 17:11, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

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Please be particularly aware, Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring states:

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ANI Notice

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Hello. There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI regarding your editing behavior. The thread is http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Behavior_of_.22Sports_and_Politics.22_warrants_admin_attention.21. Thank you. —Showmebeef (talk) 05:24, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

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High-tech warfare

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I discovered that the term "high-tech warfare" in the source did not refer to the British team exclusively. Hence your version using "the British team" is wrong. I have changed the wording to make it clear that "high-tech warfare" is not limited to the British team. Hope you'll find my wording acceptable. As far as the other difference between the disputed versions is concerned, their version is equally true if more cumbersome. Just accept their roundabout wording on UCI approval. As no disqualifications are mentioned in the section any reader will see that the approval was genuine, not a British claim. I don't think it is wise to continue the discussion unless they propose further changes. 85.167.109.64 (talk) 09:58, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

wishing the best for you

Now i know that this drama has been going on for a while, and throughout my more than 5 years of scouring the an/i and other noticeboards i've seen a plethora of cases like this, and they ended in either a block or topic ban. I really don't want to see either of you (you or andromedean) getting blocked, so i have an off an/i sollution. and i don't clame to have any special status, i'm just a concirned editor who has seen many cases like this. but for a little while, maybe both you and andromedean need to stay away from that particular article untill things simmer down between you two. this coming from someone who's aunty is a counceler. trust me S&P, i don't want to see either of you getting blocked, so please think about the idea of both of you staying away from the article temperarily, or at least stay away from each other for a short while untill things cool down, ok? 199.101.61.190 (talk) 06:31, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

denial clame by me

before you go flaming me, the comment i made on an/i does not clame that you are the only one denying plame, i don't think that andromedean is blameless but i think that your actions are a little more evidencial of denial which is why i spoke on it, so just don't flame me please. mmkay? 199.101.61.190 (talk) 16:21, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

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Title and text match up

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Hi. I see your point. I already saw that point before adding the refs. The problem is we have these articles which say they are about "Mayor of X" which in WP:RS means what it means in printed sources. At the very least a hatnote or mention in lede needs to point the reader to another article if it exists. If it doesn't exist then the lede should be consistent with title.

• Mayor of Salford ‎ (This article is on the executivee mayor not the civic mayor) (top)
• Mayor of Bristol ‎ (background on civic mayors is on other page) (top)
• Mayor of Hartlepool ‎ (Undid revision 529270752 by In ictu oculi (talk) rather odd reference removed) (top)
• Mayor of Leicester ‎ (Undid revision 529238681 by In ictu oculi (talk) this page is for the executive mayor not the civic mayor) (top)
• Mayor of Middlesbrough ‎ (Undid revision 529269542 by In ictu oculi (talk) information on civic mayors not the executive mayor) (top)

I'm quite happy to leave this dilemma with any other editors for 24-hours, but will look again at these pages to see how the issue is being addressed. We can't have a statement of the sort that was on those ledes (and to which you've reverted, I presume to work on them). Lede and sources reality of what the term meant over the last 300 years and today and tomorrow has to match. Good luck with this! Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:13, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

This issue is easily covered by the single sentence disambiguation statement found at the top of each article on directly elected mayors which redirects to the historical Civic Mayors or the Lord Mayors which are still in existence. There is no issue here. If some articles do not contain such a link please feel free to add one. Please see Mayor of London as an example. Sport and politics (talk) 13:18, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks but if you don't mind initially I'm leaving it with you to fix, at least for 24 hours, since you were the one who deleted the "first Mayor of X" refs. The best thing to do now would be to work out on a case by case basis where those refs and that information on earlier mayors belongs. If another article exists, great, then link to it. If it doesn't exist then it belongs in the same article per avoiding WP:FORK to non-existent forks. What wp cannot do is simply deny the existence of several centuries of "Mayor of X." Best wishes. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:27, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Or one, just by way of example Lord Mayor of Bristol Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:41, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Please slow down and don't create WP:FORKs at the wrong titles. We all need to first read sources, then create articles. With respect you already got Liverpool wrong. You need to look a local newspapers and local govt websites on a case by case basis. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:42, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I changed the dablink. This must be consistent with sources, we cannot just invent titles for cities. Each city is different.

Personally I don't think the Chair of the Council of Middlesbrough is notable. But certainly you can find 3 sources and it will not get AfDed. Best wishes In ictu oculi (talk) 14:47, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

With respect to Liverpool you are missing the point. For consistency and to follow what the actual Council call the position, what the BBC refer to the position as and what the person who holds the office refers to it as. They all show it is simply referred to as "Mayor of Liverpool". Please see here, here and here no confusion whatsoever. They all unequivocally refer to the post as simply "Mayor of Liverpool" calling it anything else is confusing and a fork in and of itself. As for Middlesbrough if a separate article is not notable why should a POV fork be created and confusion added to the article? if a seperate article is not notable, think, is this information actually encyclopaedic and notable? Sport and politics (talk) 14:52, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes but that is an argument about WP:AT title, WP:COMMONNAME. Wheras the lede of an article must be based on WP:PRECISION, whether the title says Mayor or City Mayor. You can try to convince a RM to use a non-precise title, we do it all the time. But the lede must give the accurate title. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:01, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

In the case of Liverpool the accurate lede title is simply Mayor of course. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:04, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Back to Middlesborough. "if a seperate article is not notable, think, is this information actually encyclopaedic and notable?" No its not. So I suggest you don't bother creating it. But don't delete 1853-2002 from the Mayor of Middlesborough article either. !!!! Cheers In ictu oculi (talk) 15:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

The info on Middlesbrough should go (if at all) in the main article on Bristol Middlesbrough and not conflate the two posts. As has been done with Bristol as you cited above. As For Liverpool the RM is all about the AT and not the lede, this discussion I was under the assumption was a continuation of the RM. Please can you be more specific in future. Sport and politics (talk) 15:15, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

the above "on Bristol" is a typo right?

The problem with Directly elected mayor of Liverpool is that the content has already been artificially pre-forked. If even a potted history section with Margaret Bevan and a few other truly notables is added to Mayor of Liverpool then the retitle suddenly loses all problems. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:35, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Any artificial forks created by redirects or alike will be corrected by an appropriate admin. if you believe the ceremonial post is notable and the information on the ceremonial post holders should be included in an article feel free to be bold and create the article. as I have though made clear in my statements on the RM Commoname and Consensus with the other article titles leave this article horribly out of kilter and confusing when compared to the rest. There should though in my opinion be no conflating by having the same article, the current directly elected executive mayor and the Lord mayor.

Hiya, nope :) I don't remotely believe the ceremonial post is notable, I believe 1853-2002 is notable. Cheers In ictu oculi (talk) 00:40, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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Tried the mayor question

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dunno how useful the answer is but I put one up there. Elinruby (talk) 23:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Bristol 1st

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Hello Sport and politics,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Bristol 1st for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks, Anir1uph | talk | contrib 20:08, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

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Adding info from table

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I saw your question at Teahouse talk (for future reference, you should ask questions through the main questions page so other people will be more likely to see them). I don't think there is currently any simple way to copy and paste a table into an article; you will probably have to manually enter the information into a wikitable. If you like, you can re-ask your question at the Teahouse questions page—someone else might know a way to do this. – 29611670.x (talk) 02:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Sport and politics. The IP editor that you reported at ANI is a sockpuppet of Sheffno1gunner. I've widened the rangeblock on the University of Manchester IPs and semi-protected a load of articles that s/he has edited. If there are any IPs or articles I have missed, just let me know, or you can file a report at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Sheffno1gunner. Best — Mr. Stradivarius 09:11, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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Isle of Wight Council election

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Hi there. Just wanted to let you know that I now accept your rationale for the change you made to that article. To be honest, I kinda had an inkling it was against consensus, but just wasn't sure. The only thing that got me was just you making the change first off with no rationale explained. Without trying to sound patronizing, please remember to edit summary as much as you can to avoid confusions like this. Thanks. Redverton (talk) 19:57, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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AEGON Championships

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They are not the same name, the other is called AEGON International (Eastbourne) not AEGON Championships (London). The same goes for BNP Paribas Open (Indian Wells Masters) and BNP Paribas Masters (Paris Masters). It is a case of a minor Sponsot, they have been using that name since 2009. Dencod16 (talk) 01:07, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

First of all, AEGON Championships is not an uncommon name it has been used since 2009, It hasn't been confusing to anyone for what 5 years now until you. And you are not including the sponsor for sponsorship reasons, you are placing the actual name of the tournament, there are so many sponsors of an event. And if you go watch the actual event and listen to the tournament, they introduce it as AEGON Championships and not Queen's Club Championships. If you hear Queen's Club they are referring to the place. It is much like French Open or US Open, French Open is referred to Roland Garros and US Open as Flushing Meadows. Dencod16 (talk) 20:38, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

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Improper summaries

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You posted something strange. Summary one, "Please join in the discussion on Talk:Laura Robson." For your information I STARTED the talk there. Please add to it if you insist on edit warring. You also summarized "known disruptive edit do not ignore imbedded text or ongoing discussion join the discussio"... that imbedded text is incorrect and not to consensus. No one agreed to it at all. Plus we have discussion, which I started at Tennis Project talk to straighten this out. Please join there and stop adding the information to the infobox. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:32, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Not improper you started you own discussion and did not join the other discussion also multiple users have reverted on the Laura Robson page the summary is completely in-line you just simply dislike it. Be more careful when making edits which remove valid and essential information from infoboxes. Also do not start your own discussions join existing discussions. Sport and politics (talk) 07:36, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Unified Patent Court#detailed table

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He Sport, you're most welcome to discuss your ideas for a ratification table-change on Talk:Unified_Patent_Court#detailed_table. I think improvements are possible, but your initial idea was not sufficiently mature (unsourced etc) and removed viatla information for immediate implementation; it would be great however to have some more eyes on this page! L.tak (talk) 22:24, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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You forgot to sign your comment at requests for page protection. RGloucester (talk) 14:06, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

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He Sport, I found some data regarding Austria and France, but it's well possible that more countries have already taken their first steps in ratification (which would render the table outdated). Did you find any other statuses of legislatures that you could add, so we keep the article up to date? L.tak (talk) 14:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I am still doing some research the UK is passing their bill through the House of lords on 30 July. Sport and politics (talk) 17:21, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

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Read and responded to. I'm not sure what your issue was, since the error was in the reference coding, not in the URL.

I'm surprised you didn't think to check the source independently. You could have Googled F1F and found that article on your own. You also could have triangulated it by checking other sources, like Autosport, who are reporting the same thing as F1F. The BBC might be a reliable source, but the author is notoriously poor in his previous works. He appears to have written the article based on information that was two days out if date at the time.

Also, the rewrites you did to the article were pretty poor. They were unclear, non-committal, based on a bad reference and very poorly-worded. I had to read it four times before I understood it. ~~>~

I have responded to you crass comments, I would also like to remind you that if you are demanding a source be used, then the onus is on the user advocating its use to ensure it conforms to the rules of wikipedia and is easily obtainable. Other users are not required to do research demanded of them by other users simply because the user making the demand thinks they are "in the right". The BBC article was also a lot more balanced giving the reasoning behind the "very political" concerns and issues. The BBC also have editorial controls where as F1Fanatic only has the controls in place if any from the owner of the personal webpage and blog who happens to be the same as the author of the article. This renders the source meaningless and unobjective in terms of being reliable. Sport and politics (talk) 07:17, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

If you were fully aware of the issue, why did you revert to it? Why didn't you make the necessary edits while you restored other content?

I'm well aware of the policies about article ownership. My approch to the article has been to restore content when people knowingly make bad edits to a page and the do not correct them, as you just did.Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:52, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

There was nothing to correct. The edit summary was accurate and clear. Now a third editor has stated the source for the Maurissa drivers is waffle and do not state what is being claimed by their use. This shows the inability by yourself Prisonermonkeys to understand the sources and appreciate it is not about owning the article and winning. Sport and politics (talk) 15:42, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hey Sport and politics. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 22:03, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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Stephen Williams MP

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Hi Sport and politics,

I noticed you removed a few chunks from the Stephen Williams MP article. I have reverted this removal. Noting Williams' votes on tuition fees and homosexual marriage are plainly notable, with plenty of media attention on the Lib Dems promise, and Stephen as University Spokesperson. Equally, on equal marriage, Stephen has individually had notable attention for his votes and speeches. They are clearly relevant for an encyclopaedic article on a politician, and written in a NPOV style. I'd be interested to hear more of your argument for why they should be removed. Thanks PhilMacD (talk) 21:35, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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Tom Brake MP

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I note that you have removed the fully sourced and notable fact that, among others where you have also NPOV removed this fact, Brake reneged on an explicit promise to oppose the imposition of tuition fees. This is not a simple question of an individual vote, it it the broken promise that is significant. It has also been a notable fact in the media. Your reference to a previous discussion does not cover this question and the discussion came to no conclusion to censor this material. Material restored in the case of Brake and should be in due course elsewhere. Bagunceiro (talk) 22:43, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

You are missing the point. It is not the voting pattern that matters here, it is the reneging on a solemn and explicit promise. It is not "just the LD MPs" that are being referenced - it is those MPs who welshed (they happen to be LD). The discussion that you keep referring to and which you seem to think puts an end to the matter doesn't address this question at all. The breaking of the pledge on tuition fees was, and is, a significant matter in British politics and warrants inclusion. Bagunceiro (talk) 12:49, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

No, you are wrong here. This is nothing to do with the fact that these individual MPs voted in favour of a particular matter, it has everything to do with the fact that they broke an explicit and solemn promise to vote against the proposal in doing so. What the other six hundred and odd MPs did is irrelevant - they either did not sign the pledge or they behaved honorably and voted as they had promised to do before the election. I think we need to take this somewhere with a wider audience, though I'm not sure where - to concentrate on just one of the individuals concerned would be invidious. Bagunceiro (talk) 22:35, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I have opened the subject here Bagunceiro (talk) 22:49, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

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Julian Huppert MP

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Hi, I note you removed a chunk of material I had added to Julian Huppert MP's page, relating to the specific activities he takes up that relate to Cambridge. The work an MP does to promote causes that are specific to his constituency are major part of his work as an MP, and should be left. I have therefore reverted the removal. I would of course be interested in hearing any arguments you wish to make to the contrary.

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Universal Credit/sandbox

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As this 'sandbox' page was in the article space, presumably accidentally, I have moved it to User:Sport and politics/Universal Credit. 220 of 14:27, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Went looking for this sandbox based on comments in the article talk page. Looks like after it was moved by user "220" the original sandbox page was completely deleted by admin "jac16888" for being "(R2: Cross-namespace redirect from mainspace)" which resulted in a redlink. As a courtesy I have provided the link to the new page location on the article talkpage. 66.97.209.215 (talk) 07:18, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

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Changing names of races

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Could you point out to me where you are obtaining the "consensus" you are claiming for these changes? I can only find an ongoing discussion in the 2014 season article. Britmax (talk) 13:15, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Certainly Britmax please see the discussion on Talk:2014_Formula_One_season/Archive_3#.22.28Name.29_Grand_Prix.22_vs._.22Grand_Prix_of_.28Name.29.22. Sport and politics (talk) 13:23, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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WP:OWN

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You are far, far to quick to bring up WP:OWN to justify removing edits that you disagree with. I would like to remind you of WP:AGF and suggest that you refrain from accusing other editors of breaking a policy as serious as OWN unless you can show actual cause. In this case, the content you are claiming is only in the article because of OWN has actually been there for months, and is supported by references like the WMSC calendar. Other parts have been included for the sake of standardising the names in the article to avoid confusion. None of this was being debated until the issue was brought up, and nobody accused anyone of breaking OWN until somebody disagreed with you.

If you look at my edit history, you will notice that I edit a lot. This is in part because I tinker, editing bits and pieces as they occur to me. But it is also because I do most of my editing from a mobile device, which has its limitations. For example, if I want to copy and paste a URL into a large article, I cannot do it directly as my browser may inadvertently overwrite data (especially if the auto-correct picked up a spelling mistake). I am forced to make three or four edits just to get that URL into the article. That does not mean I think I OWN it. It just means I have to do the best that I can with what I have. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 13:30, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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Disengaging

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Okay, I am trying to be civil here. You are not helping your cause. Your claim of consensus is not supported by the discussion on the talk page, you accuse people who disagree with you of breaking WP:OWN, ans now you are trying to pretend that I do not exist. This is an issue that you brought up - it will not go away because you would rather not deal with it. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 13:45, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

You are speaking as if this is a war and a fight of terrorist with causes, which is clearly an over the top exaggeration and over involvement in the discussion, You are making out as if it is a matter of life and death. I am not entirely sure you are reading the same discussion as everyone else. I am also not entirely sure what you are talking of by stating "individual article titles have not been discussed" when multiple users have said they do not support a change such as the following contribution from Falcadore
"In the 85 year history of the Australian Grand Prix it's never been known as the Grand Prix of Australia. 85 years. Less than 30 of that has been Formula One world championship. The race has an amazing and rich history which has nothing to do with the World Championship, or the European championship that preceded it. Grand Prix of Australia has nothing to do with the first five and a half decades of the race. That's just one example. Shall I detail more? And that is without knocking holes in the parrallel examples of rallies and touring car races. Rallies have had all kinds of names, some with no geographical component at all. I think it is incredibly premature to even contemplate moving the race names. New races? Possibly, even probably that would be good. Not for any others."
Clearly they are showing no support for your position and are clearly talking about the principle of the formatting not just the format of the article title, such as can be seen with Falcadore's comments "Grand Prix of Australia has nothing to do with the first five and a half decades of the race"
I am also at a loss as to what you are referring to by when you state "as only been discussed within the context of article titles" This is a discussion on the whole principle of the format and stating that use in article bodies is some how completely divorced from article titles is bizarre and highly confusing. The discussion on the talk page in on the principle of the format and it applies to its use over all and stating it only applies to article titles is a distortion and a weasel to attempt to claim there is no consensus on format as it goes against the outcome which is preferred by yourself. Please stop as your actions are not in the best interests of Wikiepida and certainly not constructive. The consensus is clear and claiming semantics or trying to make distinction of it only having been discussed for article titles is fanciful. The format with consensus is (name) Grand Prix not Grand Prix of (name). With regards to OWN I have encountered a discussion with you before regarding the use of certain sources. You reverted to your preferred version even removing more reliable sources when then were added simply because you liked the previous sources as you had added them. You removed those sources and are still behaving in the same owning and overbearing manner. Sport and politics (talk) 14:08, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Prisonermonkeys dealing with you is summed up in a nutshell by the following essay Misplaced Pages:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. Sport and politics (talk) 15:07, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

This is not about the content or merits of an argument on a talk page. This is about the way you ignore AGF and immediately accuse someone of breaking OWN when they disagree with you. The fact that you refer to discussing issues as "dealing with someone" speaks volumes. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 20:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Prisonermonkeys you clearly have you own agenda and are unable to see when no one but yourself supports a position and you use absolute obfuscation and derision tactics to try get your own way and say other users are not against you when they have poured cold water on your position in its entirety. Wikipeida works on building support for a position not demonstrating lack of opposition to a position because you are fancifully claiming the whole discussion is only on one very narrow part which therefor suits your agenda. You are not worth engaging with and your agenda is one of serving only your own interests not those of building consensus or furthering Misplaced Pages for the better. Sport and politics (talk) 11:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Hands Off Tamworth Schools/meta/shortname

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Hello Sport and politics,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Hands Off Tamworth Schools/meta/shortname for deletion, because it's too short to identify the subject of the article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Wikiuser13 (talk) 16:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Mike Hancock

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Hello Sport and politics, I see that you have very swiftly reverted my edits to Mike Hancock. As a result, the page again says that he's a Liberal Democrat councillor in Portsmouth, which is wrong. He has been suspended by the party and is now an independent councillor, one of the reasons I edited the page. Please explain. Eric Blatant (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

My apologies for that oversight, the Over-linking and chaining of the English is what I was reverting as it is fine as it is if I have accidentally reverted his party status I thtas an error on my part. Sport and politics (talk) 18:19, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

We're probably not going to agree, but I think I only added three links to other Misplaced Pages pages. They were:

 Portsmouth City Council, where Hancock is a councillor.
 Fratton, the part of Portsmouth where his council ward is situated.
 The SDP, the party for which he won a seat in parliament.

I suggest that they are all important parts of Hancock's life, about which readers justifiably might want to know more, and not 'over-linking'.

I also explained that Mencap is a charity and gave the correct first name of his Russian researcher, which seemed to be wrong throughout. I corrected the capitalisation of various words which aren't proper nouns and shouldn't be capped up, such as police, general election and parliament. I don't do 'edit warring' and I won't touch your page again, but I do feel that your reversion was wrong. Eric Blatant (talk) 19:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Overlinking is explained here at WP:overlink which basically says if a link is used once don't use the same link again and again and SDP and Liberal Democrats for example are used over and over in the article and should only really be used once as for the English there is no need to change to separate wording when single words are just as accepted and in the dictionary. I hope this helps do some explaining. Adding extra info on Mencap please go ahead as long as it is reliably sourced and notable. Sport and politics (talk) 23:43, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Please don't presume that I need Misplaced Pages's policy on overlinking explained to me. At no point did I add a link to the Liberal Democrats. Fratton and Portsmouth City Council were not previously linked. I did add one to the SDP at its first mention, and granted, it was linked once later in the article, but in that case the correct course of action if you thought my mistake serious enough would have been to remove one of the SDP links rather than reverting everything with one thoughtless keystroke. I have no interest in adding 'extra info' on Mencap other than that it's a charity, a necessary explanation. So did you REALLY revert the whole edit because I believe 'front bench' and 'back bench' should be two words when used as nouns, even though you yourself don't think that's wrong? By doing so, you have also re-introduced what I think are basic factual errors which outweigh your other niggles by a considerable margin. Eric Blatant (talk) 22:47, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

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Oxfordshire County Council election, 2013

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Hi, re your edit summary "undid unhelpful reversion the edit did no such thing as "damage" as weirdly claimed." Please check your original edit: it left redlinks in the sections Summary (to Template:Liberal Democrat/meta/color); in Abingdon East (to Template:Liberal Democrat/meta/color and Template:Liberal Democrat/meta/shortname); in Banbury Hardwick (two instances of Template:Election box candidate with party lin); in Grove & Wantage (two instances of Template:Liberal Democrat/meta/color and two of Template:Liberal Democrat/meta/shortname); and in Wheatley (to Template:Election box candidate with party lin). If that wasn't damage, would you please explain what it was?

Although your subsequent edits have addressed the redlink template problem, you have now left the page in a state where it says {{{change}}} on every single candidate row, and every single turnout row. Do you intend to fix that? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:37, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

The page is in the process of an update and I thought I had put the template on the page to reflect that if not I will add that template. The page has so many issues that doing it all in one go is not good due to the time sitting at a screen. Sport and politics (talk) 20:43, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

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Middle names

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Please will you revert this edit, per WP:BRD. Then please explain on what policy or guideline you shortened these names? --Redrose64 (talk) 00:04, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

No I am not going to. Please see the link provided on the talk page of that article for the reasoning why. I am willing to discuss this matter on that articles talk page. I will add the middle names if the consensus on the article talk page or in the wider wiiprojects comes to that conclusion. The current discussions have centred around demonstrating the middle names are not the commonly used names and the link provided gives an example of this being the case in this instance. Sport and politics (talk) 00:13, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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Nottinghamshire County Council elections 2013

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Hi why have you put down an N/A variance? This makes no sense. if a party had not stood before in an election and got 20% the variance would be +20%. Your variance percentages in multi wards are wrong too. --Verzarli (talk) 15:54, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

If a party has never stood a candidate before then there is no base from which to go up or down from. If a party had stood before and recieveed zero votes and the next time recieve 20% of the votes cast, then it would by +20%. As the parties have never stood before there can be no up or down from a previous result as no previous result for that party exists. The same rule applies to independent politicians who have not stood before. Also if a party has stood candidates before in a preious multi-member ward then there is a base to work from if they have stood more or less candidates than prviously then the +- figure is for the number of candidates previously stood working from top to bottom. If a party stood 3 candidates last time but only 2 this time thn the higest position is comapred with the highest position previously to give +- figure for the higest finishing candidate is compared across both elections and the second candate the second position candidates across both elections and so on. If 3 candidates are stood this time and only 2 candidates were stood last then the third higest candidate would get N/A and the top two based on the previous criteria. It is very logical and very simple. Can you please explian what is wrong in this logical and simple +- set of figures. Sport and politics (talk) 00:06, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Well I guess that is one method which has some logic behind it now you have explained your way of doing it. But it is also prefectly acceptable that if a party/independent had not stood before the variance would be a +figure of there percentage. However I'll will not delete your variance colum and I may use your method to help complete it in due course, unless you beat me too it ;-) --Verzarli (talk) 18:21, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you :) Sport and politics (talk) 18:28, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Are you still working on your variance column?, You have also left a format error in Calverton. --Verzarli (talk) 00:18, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

I will be starting again shortly please leave the variance columns already in place Sport and politics (talk) 10:02, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

No probs. Ps i've fixed the error in the Calverton variance column.--Verzarli (talk) 22:36, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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Gedling Borough Council election, 2011

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Local politicians use this page and like to by election section where it is for ease of viewing. We want this section kepted in, please do not remove. These by-elections all relate to the 2011 cycle. There is no reason for you to delete them. Please stop.

(cur | prev) 15:02, 22 February 2014‎ Verzarli (talk | contribs)‎ . . (42,622 bytes) (+3,106)‎ . . (These by-election relate to the 2011 cycle. There is no reason to delete them!) (undo) (cur | prev) 21:52, 19 February 2014‎ Sport and politics (talk | contribs)‎ . . (39,516 bytes) (-3,106)‎ . . (Cleaned up and removed by elections to local elections page by election go on Local Authority Local elections page.) (undo | thank) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verzarli (talk • contribs) --Verzarli (talk) 15:55, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Local politicians can use the page all they want. The norms on Wikpedia are not to include bye-elections on the results pages for specific year elections as the elections pages are not necessarily for the term of the councillors elected or for the whole council. As in some cases areas elect by half or by third and uniformity needs to be maintained across all election articles, for the same or similar types of elections. In this case UK local goivernment elections for tier 1 and tier 2 Local Authorities. Sport and politics (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I disagree with your personal view. By-elections are useful and relevant, they should be on the page as they relate to those elected in 2011 as mid term resigned thus all part of the same cycle.--Verzarli (talk) 07:04, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

The bye-elections are not the elections which took place. The elections which took place were the standard 2011 elections, so the inclusion of the bye-elections are unhelpful, confusing and are already available and consolidated in the Gedling local elections page, as such they should not be on the 2011 page and nor should any other bye-elections. It is also unnecessary information duplication including it on the 2011 page. Sport and politics (talk) 18:21, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

We independent & small party members with no money or resource use this wiki page for a reference and strategy planning guides. It makes life easier for us locals to have all the data to hand on one page. We believe by-elections on our local election page are helpful as all the data is on one page at a glance and it all relates to the 2011 - 2015 Council term, we don't always spot data on other pages, which it could be in one place. This page is really useful to us. Please stop deleting the data we local's want to use for our local election planning. --Verzarli (talk) 18:33, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't mean to sound crass here but do you represent a small political party and or an independent candidate or are you yourself either of the two. If so please can you declare the relevant interest and potential conflict of interest. Can you also please define who We is as on Misplaced Pages unless you have reliable sources you can only express your personal opinion and not claim to represent others views or opinions without a reliable source, as if untrue, may breach certain rules. Misplaced Pages has its accepted guides and standards and the guides and standards in this regard are not to include the Bye-elections a you want them included. If you wish to challenge this please build a consensus to demonstrate support for your position. the guidelines can be found here WP:consensus. Sport and politics (talk) 18:39, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Myself and friends may or may not be setting up a small local issues party in the East Mids at some stage in the future, nothing has been decided as of yet. In addition I have contributed to political results pages out of genuine interest across the UK, and have been thanked by members of the all the main parties, some smaller parties and independents for my contributions. --Verzarli (talk) 18:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

In the UK the correct spelling is ‘By-Election’ not ‘Bye-Election’ please amend back. The correct terminology is confirmed on Gedling Borough Council web-site relating to By-elections, as is spelt as "By-election". As per link http://www.gedling.gov.uk/councillorsmeetings/elections/gedlingby-election/ --Verzarli (talk) 12:09, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

The use of either spelling is wholly acceptable. --Sport and politics (talk) 23:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

No probs then, I've altered it to 'by-election' :-) --Verzarli (talk) 00:12, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

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helping each other

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There are pages which are half finished on Wiki or some elections have no page at all. It would be useful if people like you and me who have an interest in politics work togther to finish them? Rather then undo each others work on established/finish pages. Here is an example of an unfinished page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/Lincolnshire_County_Council_election,_2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verzarli (talk • contribs) 15:42, 22 February 2014 (UTC) --Verzarli (talk) 15:55, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I am very hapy to help expand the other atricles. It would though be even more helpful to Misplaced Pages as a whole and far more constructive if highly constructive clean up edits were not undone. The edits reverted to are out of line with wikipedia standards and norms for election articles in UK local authorities. Reverting in the manner which is being done by yourself is unconstructive and unhelpful. If you can justify why your style must be used please do so. Otherwise please do not undo what is done to move an article to be inline with norms of wikipedia. Sport and politics (talk) 00:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I've got no problem working with you. I will not delete your variance column. Please stop deleting my/other people's by-election selections, the by election section are relevant and extremely useful to us. No one else has an issue with the by-election section. --Verzarli (talk) 18:38, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you read WP:own as sections and edits are not yours and may be edited or removed by anyone. Please also define who us is and Wikiepida is not for WP:Advocacy. Please also do not asume that no-one else has taken issue just because the issue has not been raised with you or other you know. Sport and politics (talk) 18:43, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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N/A percent change in elections

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Hi, percentages changes in elections in which a party has not stood before from a previous election are generally shown. Most media outlets do not indicate them as an N/A but give a percentage including when the BBC report on elections.

As an example on the 'English elections page' www.englishelections.org.uk - St. John's ward of Fylde Borough Council, Fylde Ratepayers got 65.7%, they did not stand before so the percentage change is shown as +65.7% not as an N/A percentage change.

http://www.englishelections.org.uk/england/lby/northwest/stjohns.php

--90.217.160.107 (talk) 21:30, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

News outlets can do what they like the overwhelming norm and practice on Misplaced Pages is N/A for parties which have not stood before, if you wish to challenge this norm please gain consensus on the relevant wikiproject. The N/A is two fold, there can be no percentage increase from no base as the percentage increase is mathematically infinite not +_ the percentage they got in that election it would only be that if the party/candidate had stood before and received no votes. The second is it shows easily and properly who stood before and who did not. Sport and politics (talk) 13:31, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

An N/A varient is not the norm on wikipedia. Please provide the evidence to back up your statement. Mathemitically the starting base for a party who has never stood before is 0%. There the variant will be a +. --90.217.160.107 (talk) 09:38, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

A quick look at UK parliamentary election results articles will demonstrate the use of N/A do not use anything other than N/A for a party which has never stood before. Also mathematically a 0% base is wrong there is no base if a party has never stood before not a 0% base. See Haltemprice and Howden by-election, 2008 as the best example. Sport and politics (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Can you set up a consent vote. I have no idea how to do it myself as newish. But, I agree with the other person. I would vote for a plus percentage over a N/A variance. There are also lots of example on Wiki where a plus percentage is shown for a new party. If you look at the Leicester South seat both systems are being used, I think we need to use one system or the other... https://en.wikipedia.org/Leicester_South_%28UK_Parliament_constituency%29#Elections_in_the_2010s

--Nottingham Politics (talk) 10:56, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

No, a vote cannot be setup as it violates one of the five pillars of Misplaced Pages as Misplaced Pages is Misplaced Pages is not a democracy, If you wish to challenge the current consensus or which to raise this issue please do so on the talk page of the relevant Wikiproject WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom. Sport and politics (talk) 14:37, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

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Gedling Borough Council election, 2015

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You have no right to remove the article, it was approved by the wiki moderators. Everytime you remove the aticle i'll simply add it back in, and put it to dispute.

--Nottingham Politics (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

No one owns an article and any editing which is not vandalism can be undertaken to any article. Redirecting to a more appropriate page is perfectly valid as a an editing action. Please calm down and I strongly suggest reading the Five Pillars of Misplaced Pages. 21:45, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Redirection undone. No one owns the article including you!!! So stop being a hypocrite. It is not for you to bully other writers, therefore I suggest you back off. Article added back, and every time you remove/re-direct it. It will be added back.

--Nottingham Politics (talk) 06:09, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

The 2014 elections have not taken place yet if you wish to discuss this further I suggest you take to the revenant Wikiproject otherwise please stop engaging in aggressive an ownership behaviour. Just because you like the article and want the information and the article to remain the way you have created it does not mean you have the right to impose this on the rest of wikipedia. The standard Misplaced Pages length of time before an article is created is in relation to elections especially minor municipal election such as this ne is a couple of months before the election is to be held. This far out there is no guarantee the council elections will occur and the Government could decided to postpone or cancel these elections for some reason such as creating a unitary authority. Having an article for an election this far out is a lear violation of WP:CRYSTAL. he only way round this for you is to provide some independent and verifiable third party sources on the 2015 Gedling Council elections and the sources must relate directly to these elections in 2015 in Gedling Borough. Failure to do so will result in the article being deleted or redirected.Sport and politics (talk) 15:06, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Redirection undone. I have also saved all the coding so will go back up again if deleted.

Elections are happening and are scheduled: http://www.gedling.gov.uk/councillorsmeetings/elections/scheduledelections/ Boundary changes have been approved: http://www.lgbce.org.uk/all-reviews/east-midlands/nottinghamshire/gedling-fer

--Nottingham Politics (talk) 22:18, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Err, can we all keep the peace as this seems like an editing war and seems overdone on both sides. Nottingham politics, you need to calm down... Sport & politics, this article seems pretty good and useful to be honest... and saves me a job!  :-) Is there a compromise you can reach with Nottingham_poltics to allow his article to stay up? Both of you need to re-read https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Own

--Verzarli (talk) 05:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I haven't "deleted" the article the content remains there. There though must be waiting for closer to the time for the article. It is too far in to the future and violates WP:Crystal. When the election comes rolling round and April 2015 comes round the redirect can be removed. Simply leave the page re-directed with the content hidden that way there is no article for a set of elections which may not occur and has no independent third party sources to verify. The article is a prime candidate for deletion if it remains unredirected. Editor convenience is a very poor reason to retain the article in visible form. Sport and politics (talk) 07:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Undid your spiteful and unjust redirection. Be my guest to put the article in dispute.

--Nottingham Politics (talk) 18:38, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I do not think you understand Misplaced Pages. This is not a place for ownership and always assume good faith and always avoid personal attacks your above comments fail on all three of those points. you are at risk of being reported and blocked from Wikiepdia if you continue in this manner. I now have no choice but to list the article for deletion as it does not belong on Misplaced Pages, until at the earlier March 2015, when it can be re-created. Sport and politics (talk) 00:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

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BLP

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When editing articles under the purview of WP:BLP (this includes recently deceased people), please ensure that you use reliable, secondary sources, especially when making changes which are likely to be controversial. Regards Basalisk ⁄_berate 16:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

We appear to be having a crossing conversation here lets move the conversation to here for convenience.

Please see my reply on my talk page. If you re-add the information I will block you. Basalisk ⁄_berate 17:06, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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AfD argument

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Tower Hamlets Council election, 2014

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Just to let you know, I've restored the original mayoral election results table. Your version was less detailed (as you left out the invalid/blank votes and registered voters), and also included incorrect info (it was not a Tower Hamlets First gain, as Lutfur Rahman was the incumbent mayor). Also, I note that you claim the original table format is obsolete - this is not the case - it's the most widely used form of election results table on Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Number 57 14:27, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Please respect WP:BRD. If you want to restore an overly complicated (and frankly awful looking) table format, please add all the relevant information. Otherwise the original table will remain. Thanks, Number 57 19:43, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

If you dislike the use of the standard table for election under the supplementary vote please discuss it as opposed to becoming someone sounding like an owner by stating things like "it will remain". No other mayoral result for a UK mayor uses the table format you are stating "will remain". You are clearly using a format which is not in line with norms and consensus. I suggest you discuss this on the relevant wikiproject talk page as opposed to engaging in frankly your own edit war based on your own opinion grounded in nothing more than aesthetics. Sport and politics (talk) 20:48, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

It will remain because that is how WP:BRD works. It's nothing about being an owner. You're more than welcome to change the format as long as you keep all the information in the table. As for accusing me of engaging in an edit war, you have now reverted four times on Directly elected mayor of Tower Hamlets. Number 57 20:56, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

You are being very selective and are intentionally ignoring the main principle of Wikiepida and that is to work collaboratively and by consensus, If you are going to play the BRD card then you too need to leave the Directly elected mayor of Tower Hamlets article alone and I will leave the Tower Hamlets Council election, 2014 page alone that way neither of us are going be hanging the original content of the article before this started. That way no one is holding articles to random and disrupting Misplaced Pages while discussion take place. Sport and politics (talk) 21:02, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't see how I'm being selective. WP:BRD applies to the Directly elected article too. You added some information. Some of it was correct, some of it not, and the bit that wasn't correct was removed by Bondegezou. Therefore BRD was applied correctly, but you continued to revert that material back into the article. I am not interested in doing any deals for "You leave that alone and I'll leave this alone", because that is clearly a violation of WP:OWN. I have no particular interest in the election article other than ensuring the maximum amount of information is made available to readers, and any removal of key information should be reverted. Any change in how that information is presented (within reason) is fine, as long as the information remains.

What I don't understand is how you can't see how obviously wrong you are on the Lutfur Rahman election. Rahman was a THF mayor before the election, and a THF mayor after the election. It wasn't a gain. You're just misleading readers. How can you justify this? Being done wrong elsewhere is not a valid excuse. Number 57 21:09, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

You are seemingly not prepared to engage in a serious discussion and from the sounds of it you clearly believe you are "right" and are determined to "win". This is not how Misplaced Pages works. A discussion, a serious discussion that is one which will allow all sides to have a reasonable say and will have no pre-formed outcome, is what is needed . You have also conveniently dismissed the Doncaster Mayor articles stating "not the same person was elected" when two mayors left the parties they were elected as and went independent and you are seemingly content with having English Democrats gain from Labour and Labour gain from English Democrats purely on the basis that "the same person wasn't re-elected", even trough Peter Davies originally elated as an English Democrat re-stood as an Independent. Sport and politics (talk) 21:21, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Are you confusing me with someone else? I have never discussed a Doncaster mayoral election with another editor. Anyway, your accusations of not being prepared to engage in a serious discussion are clearly nonsense. As I noted on the article talk page, from the very start I've said that what you're doing is wrong, but you haven't given a single justification for it on factual grounds, but instead relied on "it's consensus", "it's what's done elsewhere" rather than actually base your arguments on the facts. In my last response on your talk page I asked you directly how you could possibly justify your stance, and again you have dodged the question rather than debate it.

So, there is someone here who is not engaging in a proper discussion, but it's not me. Given that you have now accused me of at least two things that it is really you who is guilty of, I'm not sure that there is much progress to be made here, so let's wait for some other people to weigh in at the article talk page. Number 57 21:29, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

My apologies for confusing you with the other contributor, my point though still stands. You are also using definitives to describe your opinion you believe what is there is incorrect that does not make what i am doing "wrong". You just dislike the current longstanding stable article versions which are the current consensus. You need to demonstrate that there is support for your proposed changes as is it is not without contention to make the changes you are proposing. i am also completely lost by what you are rambling about when you start taking of being guilty and so on , just grow up and engage in a proper discussion and stop trying to circumvent a discussion and claiming wild rubbish to try and speed ram your version of thing through. Sport and politics (talk) 21:42, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

I notice that you've restored your preferred format again, despite it still not containing all the information. As I noted in the edit summary when restoring the original, if the format cannot handle simple electoral information like number of registered voters, then it is not fit for purpose. As I said originally (several times), I don't mind you using that style, as long as it doesn't involve removing any data. If you can get it to display registered voters (I think you may have to create a new sub template, as there doesn't appear to be one capable of doing this), then you're more than welcome to readd. You may also want to be a bit more careful, as you didn't update the total number of votes to include the spoilt ones. Cheers, Number 57 12:53, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

To my knowledge the information you requested has been added, if this is not the case please let me know what additional information is missing which you would like to have added. __Sport and politics (talk) 17:25, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

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Revert

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Could you explain the logic of this revert? I don't see why the succession box is warranted, as it now duplicates the new {{East Sussex elections}}. I also don't understand why the {{Brighton}} template is warranted, as the article isn't on that template. Thanks Number 57 16:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

My mistake, the Brighton template does have the election on it. However, I really don't understand the reason for the succession box being reinstated. Number 57 16:53, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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Murder of Milly Dowler

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You will note that User:David J Johnson already made the proper/helpful point of requesting a reference to provide better documentation of the edit, and that a reference was already provided. Please take a moment to read the edit chain, or create a talk item for further balanced discussion with fellow editors, rather than carrying out multiple "undo"s. We're all in this together for the continued improvement of all articles. Cheers. (Wait! Was this trolling? Cool - my first time victimized by a troll. However, I guess that means that I fell for it, and you were successful, so you win and I guess I lost?) Jmg38 (talk) 08:40, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea what on earth you are on about in relation to Trolling. Also the information you keep adding is not relevant to the article without a reliable source as it does not directly relate to this murder. Sport and politics (talk) 08:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I requested the reference, which was duly provided and is a reliable source. My view is that the information is relevant to the article, as the murderer is a convicted serial killer. Please do not continually revert edits, if you disagree with a edit take your point to the article Talk page for discussion amongst editors and get consensus. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 09:15, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

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Morton season page

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I've done these for 5 years, and they have been done like this the whole time.

Events is there for a reason, as bookings are mentioned not just goals; and the Renfrewshire Cup is a friendly competition and our manager didn't even take the team on Monday, with us making 5 subs. Given you have probably never heard of the team, kindly don't revert my edits without explaining why you are doing it.

Salty1984 (talk) 17:28, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Please calm yourself just because you have done it for X years does not mean you are the owner or have a monopoly on the format of the article. I assume you are either connected to the club or are a supporter of the club by the use of the phrases "our manager" and "with us making 5 subs". Stating phrases like "you have probably never heard of the team, kindly don't revert my edits without explaining why you are doing it", is showing you are demonstrating, a degree of entitlement and ownership over the article. I strongly suggest you refrain from this tact as it will likely result in at best poor reputation of yourself or at worse you being given a ban or topic ban. I strongly suggest reading WP:Ownership as it lays out that no matter how much an editor feels they are right and an article is their domain, that is not how Wikiepdia operates. Sport and politics (talk) 09:16, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Please contribute to the discussion on the 2014–15 Greenock Morton F.C. season talk page here. Sport and politics (talk) 09:49, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

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Reference Errors on 20 July

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Sarah Brown

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You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Sarah Brown (politician)#Gay versus Equal marriage. Thanks. ~Excesses~ (talk) 18:11, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

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Quarterfinal IS correct

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http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/quarterfinal

Bil EoGuy (talk) 00:15, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

There is no right or wrong both are acceptable usage.

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/quarter-final

Also more wider used is Quarter-final see this BBC article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2014/26/world-cup-quarter-finals

So as per common usage Quarter-final is more acceptable.

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next UK General Election

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Hi, I notice you on the next United Kingdom general election talk page. Bondegezou and I have been discussing the possibility of a prose summary of the major shifts and trends in public opinion over the Parliament (where that can be seen reported in reliable sources) on the article page. I would tend to agree, and have started to draft, but would like others' views before I put too much work into it. Please comment! DrArsenal (talk) 13:44, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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Your edit to Mayor of Mansfield

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I came back to expand this article to find you had hidden the outline box I added in this edit. More information is known, except that some is hard-copy only as yet. At what point would you anticipate revealing the detail? No urgency, but I know who/what the three main candidates are (as yet); other readers may like to know.--Semperito (talk) 20:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Until nominations are closed any names no matter ow confirmed or sourced they are will be speculation and subject to potential change. Also just because "other readers may like to know" is not a reason to add what is little more than speculation at this point in time. Sport and politics (talk) 17:06, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Your attitude is coming across as very controlling and officious (I have read some of the other postings above), however I am aware that this is a consequence associated with any portal and I have observed it many times on WP. As I have already unequivocally stated, all three main candidates have already been announced (no "speculation") and press-profiled (all three in the same hard-copy feature and one of the three online) with summary manifestos and there is no uncertainty about these standing, excepting calamaties. The knee-jerk, OTT reaction "what is little more than speculation at this point in time" is inappropriate, but thanks for allowing me to abandon this page at an early stage without wasting further input. It's supposed to be 'consensus', not subject to your personal control. We're done here.--Semperito (talk) 19:08, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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Please support my proposal in Misplaced Pages talk:Community portal

Currently the portal's section "help out" lacks "Create these articles", "Represent a worldwide view" and "Add historical information", which is odd since there are still plenty of notable uncreated articles, e.g. smokers' rights and Joseph Charles Aub, plenty of articles with geographic imbalances and plenty of articles lacking sufficient historical information, and the issues are no less serious than the fact that there are still many articles requiring update. So please go to that page and support my proposal to add "Create these articles", "Represent a worldwide view" and "Add historical information" to the section "help out".--RekishiEJ (talk) 05:37, 8 December 2014 (UTC)