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Please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive830#Tendentious_IDHT_even_after_mediation. - Sitush (talk) 11:23, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

February 2014

HRA1924 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Please refer the email from Michelle Paulson (WMF) to HRA1924 "India Against Corruption" received a few minutes back. "Another way to have your concerns addressed is to bring them up on relevant noticeboards". Our concern is that User:Sitush has repeatedly violated core Wikimedia (ie. WMF) policies contained in WMF "Terms of Use" by a) Intentionally posting content that constitutes libel or defamation, (b) Posting content that is false or inaccurate with the intent to deceive or cause harm (c) Engaging in fraud (d) Engaging in harassment and stalking (aka wikihounding). All these are penal offences as defined in India's laws like the Indian Penal Code, 1860 which WMF has undertaken to abide by at the time of registering domain "wikipedia.in". As WMF "Terms of Use" prevail over Misplaced Pages community self-written policies, we wish to report the aforesaid user to the relevant noticeboard(s) - hence we need to be unblocked. Also, in terms of WMF's Terms of Use (which supercede Misplaced Pages's policies) we are not counted as "users" of this site since we neither contribute to the projects nor use the services - hence WP:ROLE does not apply to complainants, like us, who are only here to report offences committed by WMF's users. In terms of the General Disclaimer, WMF and HRA have no contract / agreements with each other or with the users (aka community). Accordingly HRA1924 is not bound by WP Policies if we report user misconduct to the relevant notice board for the user community to self-regulate themselves to avert escalation. HRA1924 (talk) 21:45, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Every person typing on Misplaced Pages is a user of Misplaced Pages, and is thus bound by its policies. --jpgordon 22:03, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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Questions for Administrator

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1. Does the Misplaced Pages Community adhere to its core policy WP:BLPKIND "Editors should make every effort to act with kindness toward the subjects of biographical material when the subjects arrive to express concern.", or is it one of those boiler-plate clauses to be ignored ?
2. Is it the intention of Misplaced Pages Community to deny "India Against Corruption" (the subject of Misplaced Pages's libelous "article") the facility to report breaches of WMF's Terms and Conditions for this site by a rogue user to the relevant notice boards ? Please note that the WP Mediation Committee had no objection to IAC interacting as an anon IP with the community for its concerns.
3. Is it the intention of Misplaced Pages Community to disregard the statement of the WMF's legal counsel "The Wikimedia Foundation encourages those who have concerns about the inclusion or accuracy of certain content to engage and work with the community directly." ?
4. Is the English Misplaced Pages Community ignorant of the WMF legal counsel's blog post that there are time limits to remove disputed content. "The Stuttgart court did rule that two other statements about the plaintiff should be removed from the article because, under German privacy law, certain types of allegations must be successfully proven or resolved within a reasonable period of time. Otherwise, reports of such allegations should be removed.". Was the rogue User unaware of the time period prescribed in India's analogous Internet Intermediary Liability Rules (law) for disabling offensive content by hosts ?
5. With reference to the statement "Decline reason: Every person typing on Misplaced Pages is a user of Misplaced Pages, and is thus bound by its policies. --jpgordon::==", Can it be explained to us how children / minors not legally competent to contract and all busy "typing" away on Misplaced Pages using and hiding behind "accounts" can be "bound" by (non-statutory) Misplaced Pages policies ?

• Background:

• This concerns an exchange of emails for a potential dispute between "India Against Corruption" and the Wikimedia Foundation Inc. ("WMF") concerning misuse of the domain "www.wikipedia.in" (only created very recently on 07-Apr-2013), wherein the Official Registrant (Michelle Paulson/WMF) of the aforesaid .IN domain had agreed to abide by India's laws as part of the registration terms issued under the .IN Policy Framework dated 28.Oct.2004. The .IN domain's nameservers are registered (in India) to "NS1.WIKIMEDIA.ORG" and suchlike. In pursuance of the email correspondence we wish to formally report the offences committed in breach of India's penal laws (by a specific User) to the self-regulated community of volunteer Misplaced Pages contributors at the relevant notice boards. We say that WMF has informed us that our concerns about "Misplaced Pages" (as distinguished from WMF) may be communicated to the English Misplaced Pages "community" on the relevant noticeboard(s). A bare reading of the Misplaced Pages General Disclaimer makes it clear that there is no contract or agreement between "HRA1924" a WMF verified account (verified by email with meta.wikimedia.org - the copy of which is retained by us) to the official email-ID of India Against Corruption ("IAC") (see www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in) and Misplaced Pages (ie. the community of editors which is libeling us). The Misplaced Pages community's self-written Disclaimers such as "None of the contributors, sponsors, administrators or anyone else connected with Misplaced Pages in any way whatsoever can be responsible for the appearance of any inaccurate or libelous information or for your use of the information contained in or linked from these web pages." have no legal force over IAC. The offences we intend to report are also all violations of WMF's Terms of Use and the aforesaid User is in repeated breach of WMF's Terms of Use.

• WMF has already clarified its position on the German Court's recent findings , that it does not proactively check, monitor or "police" content created and uploaded to its servers by the Misplaced Pages community. As per WMF, the WMF is a service provider and "host".

" ... If, however, the Wikimedia Foundation is informed of certain content allegedly in violation of local law, according to the court, that content should be removed to maintain immunity from liability – this is a position consistent with traditional online hosting liability under which Misplaced Pages has historically operated. ..."

• Please note that "India Against Corruption" is among India's foremost advocacy bodies vigorously defending "Free Speech and Expression", including upholding and defending the right to "anonymous" free speech and expression, against those who wish to gag and throttle democracy in India. IAC upholds the general principles contained in both the First and Second Amendment of the US Constitution. Accordingly IAC's core membership are outraged at being publicly libeled as "chillers" of free speech by a rogue editor/user of the English language Misplaced Pages. So please review your decision and unblock us for the limited purpose we have described and stop obstructing us from reporting the rogue editor. HRA1924 (talk) 07:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

With respect, there is no action that can be taken here via the adminhelp template. If you are looking for a block review you should reuse the unblock template. If you wish to engage in legal discussion or take legal action against the WMF, you should contact the WMF directly, as you say you have already done. Your request for adminhelp largely rehashes the material from the previous ANI thread, and is unlikely to generate a response that is of assistance to you. Euryalus (talk) 10:53, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Equally respectfully, your reply does not answer our queries but evades having to deal with them. HRA1924 (talk) 11:56, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Follow up questions for Administrator(s)

We shall request a block review upon getting a specific Misplaced Pages policy reply to the undermentioned questions. It is not our intention to take legal action against WMF. In fact the mutual / common problem at present for IAC and WMF is that Misplaced Pages content is not generated by WMF and until the Misplaced Pages Community absolutely refuses to delete / modify / correct the libelous content, the IAC and WMF have no lis with each other. The issues we are raising here were not discussed at ANI - such as the implications of the Stuttgart judgement - and Sitush's violation of WMF Terms of Use.

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• Question 1: Please specify all the English Misplaced Pages notice boards, if any, where aggrieved article subjects can raise their concerns (about libel, BLP, Copyvio, Trademarks and so on) without being compelled to agree to any unilaterally framed "terms of use".
• Question 2: Please specify the English Misplaced Pages website's rules, regulations, terms of use, user agreements etc. which prohibit users from hosting, publishing, uploading etc. any information that impersonates another person. HRA1924 (talk) 11:48, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

1. If you do not want to agree to the terms of use, you cannot use Misplaced Pages - including any on-wiki noticeboards. You will have to contact the Wikimedia Foundation directly; see WP:Contact us for details. The email address for copyright concerns is info-en-c@wikimedia.org; for more general concerns about article content, subjects can also use info-en-q@wikimedia.org.
2. The Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use, under "10. Management of websites", specify:

The Wikimedia community and its members may also take action when so allowed by the community or Foundation policies applicable to the specific Project edition, including but not limited to warning, investigating, blocking, or banning users who violate those policies. You agree to comply with the final decisions of dispute resolution bodies that are established by the community for the specific Project editions (such as arbitration committees); these decisions may include sanctions as set out by the policy of the specific Project edition.

Thus the policies enacted by the English Misplaced Pages's community are relevant. In particular, there's the username policy which forbids both "sernames that impersonate other people" and "usernames that imply the likelihood of shared use". While that does not explicitly mention attempts of impersonation beyond the choice of username, it should be pretty obvious that other such attempts are also not welcome on Misplaced Pages - personally I would consider them disruptive. See also WP:BEANS which, while not a policy, explains well why explicitly listing every possible infraction is not a good idea. WP:ROLE may also be relevant - it explicitly restricts accounts to a single user. Groups editing under one account are not acceptable, no matter the username. Huon (talk) 16:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

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Could you give the specific link to the policy you cite for #1 above. In our case we have done all of what was suggested - we used "Contact Us - Article subjects", sent 2 emails to info-en-q@wikimedia.org only to be told that the nature of the content dispute was too complicated for them and we should either use the "article talk page" or use WP:DR. We used the "Talk Page", somebody objected to our opening an account citing WP:ROLE so we edited as anon IPs and the matter reached Misplaced Pages's ultimate formal content dispute forum - WP:RFM (Mediation), our request for mediation was granted, all the issues were agreed between IAC and the other contributor User:Sitush in advance. When in the course of mediation the Mediator (Sunray) asked us to list down our issues - which we did, User:Sitush promptly dropped out citing WP:CIR, ie. we are unable/unwilling to accept (for reasons why see WP:NOW) and WP:VNT whereas we want enforcement of "TRUTH" as established by unimpeachable WP:PRIMARY sources like Court Judgments and Final recommendations of Parliamentary Committees etc. which trash the secondary sources Sitush had used and which WE are well competent to interpret. We say that Sitush has knowingly indulged in all the criminal acts we have listed so as to harm "India Against Corruption" and he has knowingly done so in breach of WMF "Terms of Use" to repeatedly publish FALSE information about the persons like the so-called "Team Anna" who briefly impersonated as "India Against Corruption" in 2011-12 and Sitush continues to "pass them off" as "India Against Corruption" despite knowing very well that we are throughout the official name holders for the name "India Against Corruption". In fact Sitush at 18:54, 23 November 2013 (UTC) wrote "We're not interested in who has the legal rights to the name.". The consequences of Sitush criminal acts (by abusing WMF computer resources) is that "India Against Corruption" which is a secular, socialist movement has been repeatedly defamed in the Misplaced Pages article by using derogatory terms like "right-wing", "communal", "Hindu nationalist" etc. which apply to "Team Anna" and not to "IAC", and which Sitush ran away from replying to during Mediation. About WP:BEANS, under the Indian law applicable to hosting sites like Misplaced Pages, there is a rather comprehensive set of rules, regulations, terms of use, user agreements etc. which Misplaced Pages is required to maintain (or see they exist) so as to inform its users about all aspects of violations of Indian law (it is a very comprehensive set of violations). If the rules, and terms do not exist then Misplaced Pages will not the benefit of its traditional immunity as a hosting service provider. Hence our question. You have failed to provide any such WP or WMF policy against uploading "any information" of impersonation of other person. The present examples you cite do not apply in our case - so WMF has no immunity it seems if Misplaced Pages volunteers do not remove the libelous content forthwith. HRA1924 (talk) 18:56, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Huon has already provided the specific link to the username policy. Your concerns regarding the Indian Misplaced Pages aren't a matter for the English one, and should be raised with the WMF, which you have done. What response you receive is a matter for the WMF. As Huon has pointed out, there aren't any Misplaced Pages noticeboards or similar that are not subject to Misplaced Pages's terms of use.

Regrettably, your help request is a restatement of previous ones, and of matters raised in the ANI thread. I appreciate you are not happy with the answers you have received, but re-asking the same questions are very unlikely to produce any different responses. Also, your statement that you're not interested in legal action is also at odds with the wording of your posts, particularly the last sentence of the message above. Euryalus (talk) 20:53, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any specific policy about the applicability of the Terms of Use, but when you edit any Misplaced Pages page, including this one, there is a text directly above the "Save page" button: By clicking the "Save page" button, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL. You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license. We mean that; if you do not want to agree to the terms of use, do not edit any Misplaced Pages pages at all. Huon (talk) 21:20, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

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