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Discussion on Ashkenazi Jews talk page - should Sholem Aleichem be in the collage

Hi :-) Due to the fact I saw you interested in the topic, I thought you might want to take part in it.

There is a discussion on the Talk:Ashkenazi Jews regarding should Sholem Aleichem and Mikhail Botvinnik be in the collage or not. The discussion is called "Ones and for all, should Sholem Aleichem and Mikhail Botvinnik be in the collage".

Please take part in the vote and state your opinion on the topic. Thank you! 90.196.60.197 (talk) 19:46, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Evildoer187, if Ashkenazis are of near eastern and European origin, then why isn't "other Europeans" mentioned in the related ethnic groups section? Isn't it like saying Latinos are only of Native American origin? Please reply. Thanks in advance. Guy355 (talk) 14:28, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

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I understand your revert

Hi :-) I understand your revert! But if you look at the talk page you'll see it was already kind of decided, it was Avaya1 and Jayig who were trying to revert war on a consensus (and even Avaya1 acknowledged that Sholem Aleichem will be in the selection). They tried to argue that when people voted for Sholem Aleichem and Botvinnik those were not votes against Von Neumann and Gershwin, which they actually were because it was obvious in the first vote who they will come instead, so I started a more specific one which just made the first one more clear. 90.196.60.197 (talk) 19:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I saw you showed interested in the topic of Jews expelled from Arabic countries! I recommend you to watch The Forgotten Refugees, a good documentary. 90.196.60.197 (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Deputy leaders of the thirty-third Israeli government

Could you help me with this? I don't know who are the current Head of the Government Deputies.--Michael Zeev (talk) 03:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Jews, Khazar hypothesis

Please explain your reverts at Talk:Jews#Khazar descent. --bender235 (talk) 21:14, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Adoption?

Hello,

I notice that you have a userbox saying want to be adopted by other experienced editors here. Would you be still interested in it?

Cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 23:10, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Participant/Project

Hi - I have removed the WikiProject Asia tag from your user page - users/editors are participants not components of projects - cheers sats 08:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Problematic wording

For , how was the wording problematic? --Atethnekos (Discussion, Contributions) 17:14, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

See WP:UNDUE.Evildoer187 (talk) 04:05, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

How was the wording undue? --Atethnekos (Discussion, Contributions) 04:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Culture of Asia

Hello, I noticed that on the template you redirected Culture of Israel to Jewish culture in this template. I was wondering why you did this. They are two different articles and all of the other links in that template link to Culture of . --PiMaster3 01:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Because Israeli culture is Jewish culture.Evildoer187 (talk) 01:18, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Clarifying what Elhaik means by the "Khazarian hypothesis"

Elhaik's quote describing what he means by the "Khazarian hypothesis" is already in the included quote. Do you want me to move that quote into the body text? --Atethnekos (Discussion, Contributions) 02:04, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Both are not indigenous to the Levant

First of all, I am not saying that Jews do not have roots in the Arab World(why do you think I did not remove Mizrahim who are Arab Jews?) rather that Ashkenazim and Sephardim did not indigenous in the Levant. Also, just so you know, two of your sources don't discuss ether of the two, but rather Jews in general. PNAS does, but only the Ashkenazi branch of Judaism. According to the Free Dictionary, indigenous means; Originating and living or occurring naturally in an area or environment. Both Ashkenazim and Sephardim did not originate nor develop in the Levant. Ashkenazim developed in central Europe and Sephardim in the Iberian peninsula. This is due to the arrival of Jews to the regions and mixing in with non Jews. Both sects do have roots in the Middle East but does not make their sect indigenous. Nor do the two "occurring naturally" there like a Lemur would in the Madagascar. Ashkenazis came during the 20th century in fear of persecution, for economic reasons, and other reasons. Sephardis, however, have been around in Palestine as early as the Jewish and Muslim expulsion from Spain and Portugal. The Ottoman empire even sent ships to bring them to Palestine so they could resettle there.

This is the same thing with English people. They are part of the larger Germanic people who have roots in Germany. Dispute having roots in Germany, English people are not indigenous to Germany but rather the southern portion of Great Britain. I also do agree with Yuvn86, on his removal of the two and the adding of Israelis. AcidSnow (talk) 17:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't think you understood my point. Ashkenazim and Sephardim are both subsets of Jews, who are indigenous to the Levant because that is where their culture and identity were forged. The only reason they were in Europe in the first place is because of displacement from their ancestral lands. Ashkenazi and Sephardi culture both came about as a means to adapt to their new environment. The English analogy is not particularly useful, as that was a group who completely abandoned their former identity and culture and created a new one. Jews never did this. They always identified as Jews first and foremost, preserved Jewish traditions, etc. In fact, the "Ashkenazi/Sephardi/Mizrahi" monikers were given to these groups by historians in recent times. They never actually identified as such until recently.

If you want to put Jews in, rather than all 3 of those groups, I would not object. As long as it is historically accurate, I don't have any opinion one way or the other.Evildoer187 (talk) 17:58, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Not all Jews unwillingly left the Levant, Jews lived in Alexandria and Greece prior to the expulsion. Jews lived in Elphantine until the 4th century BC. Sure it's not all about blood, but recent studies show that Ashkenazi Jews share a genetic proximity to Italians, that means Italians are ought to be mentioned in the related section. Guy355 (talk) 14:34, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

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Jewish Diaspora

Hi there! I think that the wisest option for you, if you don't mind me giving you advice, would be to engage on the talkpage to build consensus for your views. This rather than approaching other editors directly (diff diff diff) to complain about me and trying to edit without consensus (diff). Further, removing recent warnings (diff) from your talkpage seems a bit weird. Now you said in December 2012 you'd find the sources we discussed. If you have them, I'd be curious to see them. By the way, do you have ideas how user Caroling99 happened to make his very first edit in this very issue? Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 19:47, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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For your recent edit to Category:Jews, in blatant disregard of the discussion and the heavy disagreement on WT:JUDAISM. Debresser (talk) 15:14, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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